Rudy vs Hillary for Prez in 08?

bigred · 7th September 2006, 09:38 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html

If so, I'm officially scared.

Azure · 7th September 2006, 09:41 AM

Oh please no.

marksman · 7th September 2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by bigred

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html

If so, I'm officially scared.

How so? The only thing I find scary (yet unsurprising) is a poll on 2008 elections before we've even had the 2006 elections.

ranson · 7th September 2006, 09:48 AM

This is a choice of options that could actually force me to vote Libertarian.

BPSCG · 7th September 2006, 09:59 AM

I found this tidbit interesting:

Quote:

Asked if they would only vote for a candidate who opposed the Iraq war at its inception in 2003, 56 percent of Democrats said no, and 41 percent said yes.

Looks like the Dean/Kos left wing of the Democratic party is getting stronger. What will those people do on election day, 2008, if Hillary is the nominee? Stay home? Or hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of two evils?

brooklyn44 · 7th September 2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

I found this tidbit interesting:
Looks like the Dean/Kos left wing of the Democratic party is getting stronger. What will those people do on election day, 2008, if Hillary is the nominee? Stay home? Or hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of two evils?

Most of my votes (starting with Lyndon Johnson) were of the "hold-my-nose" variety. The few times I voted solely on my principles, my candidate didn't win. As for the Rudy-Hillary race, not likely that the Repugs would nominate a New York pro-choice candidate to run against a New York pro-choice candidate.

Trantor · 7th September 2006, 10:40 AM

I happen to like Giuliani, he is a Moderate Republican, a very rare thing these days, and he is no friend to the fundamentalist churches. I think that many fundies here in the South would think twice about voting for a guy that favors the seperation of church and state, is pro-choice on abortion, and has had several known affairs while married.

I think that the random element for 2008 if Clinton is on the ballot, will be what women will do when they get to the voting booth and have a choice between a man and a woman - and nobody's looking. I bet a percentage of the women who say that they are voting Republican will in fact vote for Hillary. That small percentage difference may be all she needs to win.

Hell, I may vote for her too. Not so much for her, but I sure would like to see ole Bill as our very first "First Man". I would make for an exciting election and Administration. I know you die hard Republicans would just love that, wouldn't you.

marksman · 7th September 2006, 10:43 AM

As a New Yorker who did not vote for HRC for Senate six years ago, I would seriously consider voting for her for President if she is up against a George Allen or similar candidate. I will also probably be voting for her reelection.

I'd most likely go for Giuliani in the matchup presented in the OP. I find that scenario dubious at best.

Beerina · 7th September 2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Trantor

I think that the random element for 2008 if Clinton is on the ballot, will be what women will do when they get to the voting booth and have a choice between a man and a woman - and nobody's looking. I bet a percentage of the women who say that they are voting Republican will in fact vote for Hillary. That small percentage difference may be all she needs to win.

She'd definitely be the first president I've had a sexual fantasy about since Howard Taft.

bigred · 7th September 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Trantor

I think that the random element for 2008 if Clinton is on the ballot, will be what women will do when they get to the voting booth and have a choice between a man and a woman - and nobody's looking. I bet a percentage of the women who say that they are voting Republican will in fact vote for Hillary.

Of course. Just like if the race was between a white and black guy, the percentage of blacks who would vote for the black guy - totally regardless of his stance on issues or anything else - would be waaaaayyyy in the high 90s. (or Hispanic etc)

The Central Scrutinizer · 7th September 2006, 04:39 PM

I would vote for Rudy. There is no way in hell I'd vote for Hillary.

Although, I doubt Rudy can win the primaries, since he's not a fundy pervert.

Darth Rotor · 7th September 2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

I would vote for Rudy. There is no way in hell I'd vote for Hillary.

Although, I doubt Rudy can win the primaries, since he's not a fundy pervert.

They should do a naked cage match on ESPN 2. Isn't that what American politics has devolved into anyway?

Give the people what they want: Rudy and Hilly in a cage match. Bread and circuses.

DR

TragicMonkey · 7th September 2006, 05:52 PM

Mark Warner.

joe1347 · 7th September 2006, 09:08 PM

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BPSCG · 8th September 2006, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Mark Warner.

I don't think so. He's running for vice-president this time out. If Hillary wins, he gets 8 years to work on being the next in line. If she loses, he gets the national exposure. In any case, don't misunderestimate him; he's very sharp, has excellent political instincts, knows how to appeal to and work with the other side. Reminds me a lot of Clinton, without the moral turpitude.

BPSCG · 8th September 2006, 05:43 AM

Good Washington Post magazine piece on John McCain. I frankly hatehatehate his leadership in the campaign finance reform debate - I consider it utterly anti-First Amendment. But I think he's staked out a ground that can appeal to a lot of people who aren't comfortable with the more conservative right. He's against a gay-marriage amendment, supports federal funding for stem-cell research, and he's strong on national security. He's done all that while kissing and making up with Bush and with the Christian right. I have to view him as the front-runner.

Trantor · 8th September 2006, 06:20 AM

Well, In my opinion, voting for Hillary is a chance to make history - a two for one shot. First we would have our first woman President, something that I feel is overdue. Hillary may not have the charisma that Bill has, but she is smart. Certainly, a good bit smarter than our current leader. A person with some smarts is probably going to make better choices than someone that is lacking in brainpower.

Secondly, when we get Hillary, we get a free bonus - Bill. Like his wife, he will be remembered in history as the "first of his kind". Kinda like George Washington.

So what if Bill happens to like women. There plenty of men who like women, and what percentage of men or women do you think might lie if they happen to be trying to cover up their messing around on the side? Pretty high number, I bet.

I think ole Bill would make a great First Man. I honestly can't think of a better choice.

shemp · 8th September 2006, 07:18 AM

a_unique_person · 8th September 2006, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Good Washington Post magazine piece on John McCain. I frankly hatehatehate his leadership in the campaign finance reform debate - I consider it utterly anti-First Amendment. But I think he's staked out a ground that can appeal to a lot of people who aren't comfortable with the more conservative right. He's against a gay-marriage amendment, supports federal funding for stem-cell research, and he's strong on national security. He's done all that while kissing and making up with Bush and with the Christian right. I have to view him as the front-runner.

So if he can survive a prisoner of war camp, he can survive the presidency?

7th September 2006, 09:38 AM	#1
bigred Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 12,538	Rudy vs Hillary for Prez in 08? http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html If so, I'm officially scared.

7th September 2006, 09:48 AM	#4
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7th September 2006, 09:59 AM	#5
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	I found this tidbit interesting: Quote: Asked if they would only vote for a candidate who opposed the Iraq war at its inception in 2003, 56 percent of Democrats said no, and 41 percent said yes. Looks like the Dean/Kos left wing of the Democratic party is getting stronger. What will those people do on election day, 2008, if Hillary is the nominee? Stay home? Or hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of two evils?
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7th September 2006, 10:40 AM	#7
Trantor Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 526	I happen to like Giuliani, he is a Moderate Republican, a very rare thing these days, and he is no friend to the fundamentalist churches. I think that many fundies here in the South would think twice about voting for a guy that favors the seperation of church and state, is pro-choice on abortion, and has had several known affairs while married. I think that the random element for 2008 if Clinton is on the ballot, will be what women will do when they get to the voting booth and have a choice between a man and a woman - and nobody's looking. I bet a percentage of the women who say that they are voting Republican will in fact vote for Hillary. That small percentage difference may be all she needs to win. Hell, I may vote for her too. Not so much for her, but I sure would like to see ole Bill as our very first "First Man". I would make for an exciting election and Administration. I know you die hard Republicans would just love that, wouldn't you.
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7th September 2006, 12:25 PM	#9
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7th September 2006, 09:41 AM	#2
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Oh please no.

7th September 2006, 09:47 AM	#3
marksman Reality Checker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 5,003	Originally Posted by bigred http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html If so, I'm officially scared. How so? The only thing I find scary (yet unsurprising) is a poll on 2008 elections before we've even had the 2006 elections.

7th September 2006, 10:31 AM	#6
brooklyn44 Thinker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lawn Guyland, Nu Yawk Posts: 240	Originally Posted by BPSCG I found this tidbit interesting: Looks like the Dean/Kos left wing of the Democratic party is getting stronger. What will those people do on election day, 2008, if Hillary is the nominee? Stay home? Or hold their noses and vote for her as the lesser of two evils? Most of my votes (starting with Lyndon Johnson) were of the "hold-my-nose" variety. The few times I voted solely on my principles, my candidate didn't win. As for the Rudy-Hillary race, not likely that the Repugs would nominate a New York pro-choice candidate to run against a New York pro-choice candidate.

7th September 2006, 10:43 AM	#8
marksman Reality Checker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 5,003	As a New Yorker who did not vote for HRC for Senate six years ago, I would seriously consider voting for her for President if she is up against a George Allen or similar candidate. I will also probably be voting for her reelection. I'd most likely go for Giuliani in the matchup presented in the OP. I find that scenario dubious at best.

7th September 2006, 03:09 PM	#10
bigred Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: USA Posts: 12,538	Originally Posted by Trantor I think that the random element for 2008 if Clinton is on the ballot, will be what women will do when they get to the voting booth and have a choice between a man and a woman - and nobody's looking. I bet a percentage of the women who say that they are voting Republican will in fact vote for Hillary. Of course. Just like if the race was between a white and black guy, the percentage of blacks who would vote for the black guy - totally regardless of his stance on issues or anything else - would be waaaaayyyy in the high 90s. (or Hispanic etc)

7th September 2006, 04:39 PM	#11
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Pither Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,277	I would vote for Rudy. There is no way in hell I'd vote for Hillary. Although, I doubt Rudy can win the primaries, since he's not a fundy pervert.
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,264	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer I would vote for Rudy. There is no way in hell I'd vote for Hillary. Although, I doubt Rudy can win the primaries, since he's not a fundy pervert. They should do a naked cage match on ESPN 2. Isn't that what American politics has devolved into anyway? Give the people what they want: Rudy and Hilly in a cage match. Bread and circuses. DR
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8th September 2006, 05:34 AM	#15
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Mark Warner. I don't think so. He's running for vice-president this time out. If Hillary wins, he gets 8 years to work on being the next in line. If she loses, he gets the national exposure. In any case, don't misunderestimate him; he's very sharp, has excellent political instincts, knows how to appeal to and work with the other side. Reminds me a lot of Clinton, without the moral turpitude.
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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Good Washington Post magazine piece on John McCain. I frankly hatehatehate his leadership in the campaign finance reform debate - I consider it utterly anti-First Amendment. But I think he's staked out a ground that can appeal to a lot of people who aren't comfortable with the more conservative right. He's against a gay-marriage amendment, supports federal funding for stem-cell research, and he's strong on national security. He's done all that while kissing and making up with Bush and with the Christian right. I have to view him as the front-runner.
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8th September 2006, 06:20 AM	#17
Trantor Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 526	Well, In my opinion, voting for Hillary is a chance to make history - a two for one shot. First we would have our first woman President, something that I feel is overdue. Hillary may not have the charisma that Bill has, but she is smart. Certainly, a good bit smarter than our current leader. A person with some smarts is probably going to make better choices than someone that is lacking in brainpower. Secondly, when we get Hillary, we get a free bonus - Bill. Like his wife, he will be remembered in history as the "first of his kind". Kinda like George Washington. So what if Bill happens to like women. There plenty of men who like women, and what percentage of men or women do you think might lie if they happen to be trying to cover up their messing around on the side? Pretty high number, I bet. I think ole Bill would make a great First Man. I honestly can't think of a better choice.
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