9/11 Denier Woo in the Mainstream

[gumboot]

the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) have released a documentary entitled The Arab and Iranian Reaction to 911 Five Years Later.

Have a look. You'll find some of the claims made by leader figures in the Islamic world to be rather familiar. I think Dylan Avery and friends would enjoy living there...

Just a quick sharp reminder to everyone that the implications of this "debate" extend much further than to a bunch of twenty-something basement dwellers on the internet.

-Andrew

[Abbyas]

Quote:

Just a quick sharp reminder to everyone that the implications of this "debate" extend much further than to a bunch of twenty-something basement dwellers on the internet.

Excellent point, gumboot. And a firm reminder of why continuing to put the energy into this is necessary.

[Oliver]

It might be not very popular in here to say, but this
video looks like one of Goebbels Propaganda to excuse
theirselfes about all the angry people in the world
concerning americas "installing - uninstalling" foreign
policy.

Here´s the opposite to "The Arab and Iranian
Reaction to 911 Five Years Later" - you might
judge for yourself after seeing both sides of a
story. (You perhaps don´t know)

Icke, Jones - United States of Mass Destruction
http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...2401&q=Treason

Regards,
Oliver

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Oliver

It might be not very popular in here to say, but this
video looks like one of Goebbels Propaganda to excuse
theirselfes about all the angry people in the world
concerning americas "installing - uninstalling" foreign
policy.

Here´s the opposite to "The Arab and Iranian
Reaction to 911 Five Years Later" - you might
judge for yourself after seeing both sides of a
story. (You perhaps don´t know)

http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...2401&q=Treason

Regards,
Oliver

I'm sorry but you're not seriously presenting a film by Alex Jones as evidence of any sort are you? You do realise the man is an outright liar and quite frankly mad?

I'm also not sure what DU has to do with what is being said by Arabs and Persians about 9/11. Actually that's not true. I know precisely what DU has to do with what is being said by Arabs and Persians about 9/11. Absolutely nothing.

-Andrew

[Oliver]

Actually it is a film by some guy called Icke Jones.
Whoever this is - it was meant as an example about
what makes a lot of people very angry in europe,
and i don´t know what the muslim world must think.

However, what is beeing said shows one thing to
me. American foreign politics should be democratic,
or in other words, they should let their hands on
their own table, because this is a reason for a lot
of hate in the world and it opens the door for a bunch
of conspirations-theories, like the ones in the movie.

I´m sorry for beeing upset.

After beeing a while in the CT-scene, i´m really
getting tired about the "pointing with the finger
on someone else"-mentality.

What do you think are the psychological Back-
grounds of CT´s? I can not say that every CT
has this reason, but mostly it seems to be
blaming on someone you don´t like (us-gov,
arabs, jews) or are afraid of (illuminati, aliens,
bilderbergs and jews).

It makes me sick to read and think about this
stupidity. I apologize.

Regards,
Oliver

[defaultdotxbe]

actually it appears to be by William Lewis and Joyce Riley, he probably put Icke, Jones in the title to get the David Icke/Alex jones crowd to watch it

yep, heres the submitters blog, http://www.freefreedomnow.blogspot.com/

top links are to david icke and alex jones, lol

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Actually it is a film by some guy called Icke Jones.
Whoever this is - it was meant as an example about
what makes a lot of people very angry in europe,
and i don´t know what the muslim world must think.

However, what is beeing said shows one thing to
me. American foreign politics should be democratic,
or in other words, they should let their hands on
their own table, because this is a reason for a lot
of hate in the world and it opens the door for a bunch
of conspirations-theories, like the ones in the movie.

I read it as Icke and Jones, as in David Icke and Alex Jones. Thanks default for clearing things up.

I'm just not sure how your documentary relates to the one I linked to. What is important is the CONTENT of the documentary I linked to, not the documentary itself. These important and influential figures in the Arab and Persian world are repeating, on national and international media, the same garbage espoused by the 9/11 deniers.

Originally Posted by Oliver

After beeing a while in the CT-scene, i´m really
getting tired about the "pointing with the finger
on someone else"-mentality.

That's a fair enough comment. But how is saying "look what these guys are saying" equivelant to "pointing the finger"?

Originally Posted by Oliver

What do you think are the psychological Back-
grounds of CT´s? I can not say that every CT
has this reason, but mostly it seems to be
blaming on someone you don´t like (us-gov,
arabs, jews) or are afraid of (illuminati, aliens,
bilderbergs and jews).

It makes me sick to read and think about this
stupidity. I apologize.

Regards,
Oliver

I'm sorry, I'm just confused. Are you saying the MEMRI documentary is a conspiracy theory? That these Arab and Persian figures are not saying what it claims they are? Are you suggesting the video is an elaborate conspiracy designed to make us all hate Muslims or something?

-Andrew

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by gumboot

But how is saying "look what these guys are saying" equivelant to "pointing the finger"?

I don´t know the difference between these two
phrases. "Pointing the finger on someone" is a
german phrase, meaning a disrespectful way to
"look at him...(we are the more better ones)".

Originally Posted by gumboot

I'm sorry, I'm just confused. Are you saying the MEMRI documentary is a conspiracy theory? That these Arab and Persian figures are not saying what it claims they are? Are you suggesting the video is an elaborate conspiracy designed to make us all hate Muslims or something?
-Andrew

Sorry, Andrew. It was a political, public comment
from me, adressed to all hatespeakers out there
and also in the CT-scene, not against you.

I just blew up after hearing the translations.
You have to know that there is a lot of anger
in the muslim world, especially concerning
the us-connection to israel. Walking around
in a muslim country without proof - to make
money out of their oil makes it even more
danger to all of us. I wonder what will happen
if iran get´s enough uranium in some years
if they can´t buy it elsewere. 9/11 would
be a "lousy fart" compared to that situation.
Two neighbour-states with nuclear weapons
and all this wonderful love and peace between
them.

Added:

We will see the us-solution to the current
situation in iran, but i think it won´t be
a democratic one with the friendship with
israel. But i´m glad to know that Bush is
such a smart guy.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by Oliver

I don´t know the difference between these two
phrases. "Pointing the finger on someone" is a
german phrase, meaning a disrespectful way to
"look at him...(we are the more better ones)".

That may be a language issue then. In english "pointing the finger" is more commonly seen as "laying blame". To "point the finger at John" is to blame John for something. Hence "finger pointing" is seen to be the common nature of people to hunt out someone to blame for something that happened.

That's why I found your comment a bit odd - because of course the documentary is not trying to blame anyone for anything - in fact it is merely telling us that OTHER people are blaming the US and Israel for 9/11.

Originally Posted by Oliver

I just blew up after hearing the translations.
You have to know that there is a lot of anger
in the muslim world, especially concerning
the us-connection to israel.

I would make a slight amendment. It is not anger. It is hatred. An altogether different beast. And that hatred pre-dates US support of Israel. People who are dealing in a culture of violent hatred tend to use what ever justification is convenient. It so happens that US support of Israel helps them to give a pretence of rational justification for their hostility. Were the US to abandon Israel, their hatred would simply find a new (and equally weak) justification.

But be their hatred justified or not, these leading figures ARE peddling 9/11 CTs on mainstream media. Which is all the documentary is claiming.

-Andrew

[MarkyX]

MEMRI is not some government psy-op. They translate the arab media to english.

Not all arab media they show is negative. There is one fellow, an arab intellectual (forgot his name) who is also in the Obsession movie. This is the best quote I can think of.

"We teach our children how to die for Allah, but we don't teach them how to live for Allah."

They also show other clips where moderate muslims yelling into the microphone about how their religion has been hijacked by these extremists.

Does that sound like some Zionist plot?