Light created Life

lightcreatedlife@hom · 10th September 2006, 03:59 PM

Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job?

H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:07 PM

Can I have some of what you are taking?

Oh! And a bottle of that negatively charged light as well please.

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ETA: Welcome to the forum even though I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

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TobiasTheViking · 10th September 2006, 04:10 PM

The argument is flawed from the simple premise that things aren't only bipolar.. There are many degrees between i love you and i hate you.

As for the negative and positive poles in magnetism they have, afaik, nothing to do with math. It is just signs.. might as well have been # pole and ¤ pole instead of + and -.

Also, by taking your argument to the extremes it breaks down because opposites would attract, that means that since i hate 9/11 deniers they would love me, and they don't.

How is attraction related to multiplication? i don't see that
How is repulsion related to divison? i don't see that

While light did create life(by giving energy to it), it haven't given us any characteristics by the way light is. For one we are way too big, and because we work on a macro level quantum physics is mostly irrelevant, whereas it is very relevant for light and how light behaves.

We are not both objects and waves. But light is both objects and waves.

Also, the electrical negative and positive and the magnetic attraction and repulsion is exactly the same.

Sincerely
Tobias

Welcome to the forum

c4ts · 10th September 2006, 04:11 PM

Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

TobiasTheViking · 10th September 2006, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by c4ts

Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

Light is electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by c4ts

Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

Does that mean I'm out of luck with my bottle of negatively charged light?

You'll be telling me next that I can't bend my torch beam into my initials with fridge magnets.

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TobiasTheViking · 10th September 2006, 04:19 PM

The only difference between radio waves to your TV and radio. And in your microwave, and cell phones, and light(from the sun or your computer screen) is the frequency and the amplitude.

H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Light is electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

Yup!

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H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

The only difference between radio waves to your TV and radio. And in your microwave, and cell phones, and light(from the sun or your computer screen) is the frequency and the amplitude.

And they all seem to contain Terry Wogan.

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TobiasTheViking · 10th September 2006, 04:28 PM

who?

Dave1001 · 10th September 2006, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by H3LL

Can I have some of what you are taking?

Oh! And a bottle of that negatively charged light as well please.

.

ETA: Welcome to the forum even though I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

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Newark tap water?

j/k ... welcome to the forum, light

TobiasTheViking · 10th September 2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dave1001

Newark tap water?

j/k ... welcome to the forum, light

shut up, get back to work.

Dave1001 · 10th September 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

shut up

Please, a little more respect. I am, after all, an anti-anti-communist.

H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

who?

You asked.

Be afraid...Be very afraid.
He is a Zillon from the planet Tharg. If memory served me right.

Terry Wogan

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H3LL · 10th September 2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dave1001

Please, a little more respect. I am, after all, an anti-anti-communist.

Is Tobias a communist?

I always thought he was a sort of mock-communist. A bit like mock-turtle soup.

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RandFan · 10th September 2006, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from?

Does that which follows "so" follow from that which precedes "so"?

Dancing David · 10th September 2006, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job?

I can't say if this is bad similie or bad analogy, hmm, maybe bad metaphor.

bruto · 10th September 2006, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job?

If Timecubes were like fortune cookies, I think this is the kind of thing that would be printed on the slip.

Kopji · 10th September 2006, 09:30 PM

Oooo! Check out these cool graphics on the home page:
http://inthemath.com/

This just rocks.

Quote:

This formula is the life part of the "Theory for everything" that science is looking for. It easily tells the whole story, unites the forces, science with religion, and covers the life part of the equation from over 200 angles without anything being moved around. And science, don't worry, heaven and hell do not necessaily mean religion, they are showing the flow of the "processed" energy that leaves the body. The energy has to be there, and it has to leave, the only question is where and why. I say where they go has to be part of a recycling process. I'll show you where this came from easy and logical all the way.

bruto · 10th September 2006, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kopji

Oooo! Check out these cool graphics on the home page:
http://inthemath.com/

This just rocks.

Quote:

The graph shows that life is a process by which energy is made into individual intelligent beings. From the view of a spirit, the size of the universe makes sense. As energy, a star 20 light years away would be only 20 years away. Space and time are no problem to energy.

Now why didn't I think of that?

"Hats off, gentlemen, a genius!"

Azure · 10th September 2006, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

shut up, get back to work.

I finally understand your name...

RandFan · 10th September 2006, 10:03 PM

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As energy, a star 20 light years away would be only 20 years away. Space and time are no problem to energy.

What exactly is meant by "no problem"? What about a star that is 1 million light years away, is that a problem?

Kopji · 10th September 2006, 10:32 PM

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The 4 forces makes the universe what is it. With one part taken by electromagnetism, and the nuclear forces twins, gravity can only fit one place. Together they created the universe.

Ergo, all your base belong to us.

Piggy · 10th September 2006, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from?

Are you prepared for the infinite regression? Are you prepared for that?

And although the dichotomy is established, then if light is the progenitor, we have not 2 parents, but one parent with 2 sides, 2 sides of one coin -- the coin of light -- being attraction/repulsion, love/hate, mental/emotional, positive/negative, addition/subtraction, male/female.

Still, there is one thing missing, how the coin -- light -- engenders. No. There must be a division before there can be union to produce the child, to produce life, time, space. And that is missing so far in your analysis.

So what will that be? What you propose, it will explode the light, and from there the infinite regression, but not back to a Big Bang, not back to singularity, it's "elephants all the way down" when you do that.

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division.

And now we have an infinite progression forward, but still no mechanism for the primal division to engender the bifurcation of bifurcation.

The third iteration/bifurcation yields chaos. (You shall see.)

First, there is one thing (light, you say? wait, I'll get to it) and then comes the first bifurcation (from where? that's not explained in your theorizings, and not in mine... yet!) which creates being.

Why? Because if there is only one, there is no size, no space, no time. Not yet being. When there are 2, now there is I/you, me/thou, recognition face to face, and understanding that I am because you are and I am not you.

We also have time, as I see how you change and you how I change, and space, and dimension.

What does this mean for physics? Now we have not just the primal singularity, but matter and energy! These are the first children, do you not agree?!

The second bifurcation

The two themselves become two each, apparently 4.

Now we have a pair of pairs, which give rise to leptons and hadrons (matter, now protons and electrons) and energy yields (at this point, not earier) positive and negative.

But where has the light gone? Nowhere. All of this is still light!

Let us admit this, then -- let us face it -- we are all cooled light. That is all. We and everything around us are mere light trapped in circuits, so that the circuits, eddies of light on nano-nano-scale, appear as particles, but they are not, not at all billiard balls as the Great Minds of the Renaissance imagined, not even things at all, but events!

All things which appear to be objects are not objects, but events!

So now we have first light, then the first split which creates energy and matter and also space and time appear necessarily, then the second split which yeilds the proton and electron of matter, and the poles of energy.

The third bifurcation yeilds chaos, infinite complexity, the holographic universe in which every portion contains the whole in microcosm. Only at this point is life even thinkable.

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job?

That is where you have omitted something.

What split the light?

Tell me that.

These are facts. If we are here and speaking, writing, sitting, eating, walking, then we cannot deny all this has happened because it is the universe we experience and which observations of all science reveals.

I can say what I think, what split the light to allow it to engender by reunion. But I won't, until I know your word on it from yourself.

RandFan · 10th September 2006, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Piggy

But I won't, until I know your word on it from yourself.

I think you are looking for relief in the corner of a round building. But that's just a guess based on my reading of the initial post and website. We will see. BTW, did you ever follow the odd history of timecube?

Piggy · 11th September 2006, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I think you are looking for relief in the corner of a round building. But that's just a guess based on my reading of the initial post and website. We will see. BTW, did you ever follow the odd history of timecube?

History?

I'm familiar with Time Cube, but as far as I'm concerned it's just gibberish.

I understand what lightcreatedlife is saying and I understand the Web site. Anybody can come on and pretend to be something they're not, but why not start with the benefit of the doubt?

If I get no answer, then that's where it ends, no? Otherwise we'll see. And perhaps we will see.

RandFan · 11th September 2006, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Piggy

History?

Oh yeah, including parodies and a debate.

Quote:

I'm familiar with Time Cube, but as far as I'm concerned it's just gibberish.

Agreed.

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I understand what lightcreatedlife is saying and I understand the Web site.

I understand what is being said but that doesn't mean that it makes any sense. I don't think it makes anymore sense than timecube. I could very well be wrong.

Quote:

Anybody can come on and pretend to be something they're not, but why not start with the benefit of the doubt?

If I get no answer, then that's where it ends, no? Otherwise we'll see. And perhaps we will see.

That's fair. Too often people on this forum (including me) jump to conclusions about the intentions and or reasonableness of posters. I was simply making an observation. Carry on.

Piggy · 11th September 2006, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I understand what is being said but that doesn't mean that it makes any sense. I don't think it makes anymore sense than timecube. I could very well be wrong.

Oh, I think it does make sense, tho not the kind of sense most folks around here are accustomed to making, or hearing. Time Cube, far as I could tell, was no-sense, just strings of strings of strings, word salet. Not saying I'm all on board with lightcreatedlife's postulations, but there's scientists I also don't sit in the same room with. We might be able to have a dialog, who knows?

Brainache · 11th September 2006, 03:14 AM

But surely it wasn't light acting alone which created life. It was light interacting with matter wasn't it?
Shouldn't we also display some of the characteristics of rocks?

Piggy · 11th September 2006, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

But surely it wasn't light acting alone which created life. It was light interacting with matter wasn't it?
Shouldn't we also display some of the characteristics of rocks?

We do, as we are solid and contain minerals, require in fact minerals, very rockish stuff that.

Brainache · 11th September 2006, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Piggy

We do, as we are solid and contain minerals, require in fact minerals, very rockish stuff that.

Crikey! I believe!
Sign me up for the church of whateverthehelltheyaretalkingabout now!

DangerousBeliefs · 11th September 2006, 05:09 AM

30 replies for a hit and run post?

I think the website explains it all...

http://www.lightcreatedlife.com

TobiasTheViking · 11th September 2006, 07:09 AM

Now what makes you think posting the link was a good idea????

tsk tsk

lightcreatedlife@hom · 11th September 2006, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by c4ts

Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.

Look it up again. Or google it-that's faster. Light is electromagnetic radiation.

lightcreatedlife@hom · 11th September 2006, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie

Now what makes you think posting the link was a good idea????

tsk tsk

Direct questions about what I posted please. I am busy.

Beerina · 11th September 2006, 07:13 AM

I misread the topic and thought it was "Life created life", and was going to be the tired old argument that "only living things gave birth to living things", therefore what started it all? Must be god.

But it was something else. How refreshing!

lightcreatedlife@hom · 11th September 2006, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by DangerousBeliefs

30 replies for a hit and run post?

I think the website explains it all...

The site is IN THE MATH

lightcreatedlife@hom · 11th September 2006, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by Piggy

We do, as we are solid and contain minerals, require in fact minerals, very rockish stuff that.

Surely not. I was unable to show my site, but it is IN THE MATH

lightcreatedlife@hom · 11th September 2006, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Piggy

Oh, I think it does make sense, tho not the kind of sense most folks around here are accustomed to making, or hearing. Time Cube, far as I could tell, was no-sense, just strings of strings of strings, word salet. Not saying I'm all on board with lightcreatedlife's postulations, but there's scientists I also don't sit in the same room with. We might be able to have a dialog, who knows?

It is just an idea, thanks for the chance.

Cosmo · 11th September 2006, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom

The site is IN THE MATH

What math? Where?

10th September 2006, 03:59 PM	#1
lightcreatedlife@hom Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: newark, n.j. Posts: 1,483	Light created Life Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job?

10th September 2006, 04:07 PM	#2
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	Can I have some of what you are taking? Oh! And a bottle of that negatively charged light as well please. . ETA: Welcome to the forum even though I haven't a clue what you are talking about. .
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10th September 2006, 04:10 PM	#3
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	The argument is flawed from the simple premise that things aren't only bipolar.. There are many degrees between i love you and i hate you. As for the negative and positive poles in magnetism they have, afaik, nothing to do with math. It is just signs.. might as well have been # pole and ¤ pole instead of + and -. Also, by taking your argument to the extremes it breaks down because opposites would attract, that means that since i hate 9/11 deniers they would love me, and they don't. How is attraction related to multiplication? i don't see that How is repulsion related to divison? i don't see that While light did create life(by giving energy to it), it haven't given us any characteristics by the way light is. For one we are way too big, and because we work on a macro level quantum physics is mostly irrelevant, whereas it is very relevant for light and how light behaves. We are not both objects and waves. But light is both objects and waves. Also, the electrical negative and positive and the magnetic attraction and repulsion is exactly the same. Sincerely Tobias Welcome to the forum
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10th September 2006, 04:11 PM	#4
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.
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10th September 2006, 04:15 PM	#5
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by c4ts Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons. Light is electromagnetic. It is composed of photons.
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10th September 2006, 04:18 PM	#6
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	Originally Posted by c4ts Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons. Does that mean I'm out of luck with my bottle of negatively charged light? You'll be telling me next that I can't bend my torch beam into my initials with fridge magnets. .
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10th September 2006, 04:19 PM	#7
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	The only difference between radio waves to your TV and radio. And in your microwave, and cell phones, and light(from the sun or your computer screen) is the frequency and the amplitude.
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10th September 2006, 04:21 PM	#9
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie The only difference between radio waves to your TV and radio. And in your microwave, and cell phones, and light(from the sun or your computer screen) is the frequency and the amplitude. And they all seem to contain Terry Wogan. .
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10th September 2006, 04:28 PM	#10
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	who?
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10th September 2006, 04:34 PM	#11
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	Originally Posted by H3LL Can I have some of what you are taking? Oh! And a bottle of that negatively charged light as well please. . ETA: Welcome to the forum even though I haven't a clue what you are talking about. . Newark tap water? j/k ... welcome to the forum, light
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10th September 2006, 04:35 PM	#12
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Originally Posted by Dave1001 Newark tap water? j/k ... welcome to the forum, light shut up, get back to work.
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10th September 2006, 04:37 PM	#13
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie shut up Please, a little more respect. I am, after all, an anti-anti-communist.
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10th September 2006, 04:41 PM	#14
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie who? You asked. Be afraid...Be very afraid. He is a Zillon from the planet Tharg. If memory served me right. Terry Wogan .
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10th September 2006, 04:46 PM	#15
H3LL Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: (ləʊˈkeɪʃən) - n. 1. a site or position; situation. Posts: 4,976	Originally Posted by Dave1001 Please, a little more respect. I am, after all, an anti-anti-communist. Is Tobias a communist? I always thought he was a sort of mock-communist. A bit like mock-turtle soup. .
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10th September 2006, 04:57 PM	#16
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,197	Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Does that which follows "so" follow from that which precedes "so"?

10th September 2006, 06:43 PM	#17
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,707	Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job? I can't say if this is bad similie or bad analogy, hmm, maybe bad metaphor.
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10th September 2006, 09:06 PM	#18
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job? If Timecubes were like fortune cookies, I think this is the kind of thing that would be printed on the slip.
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10th September 2006, 09:30 PM	#19
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	Oooo! Check out these cool graphics on the home page: http://inthemath.com/ This just rocks. Quote: This formula is the life part of the "Theory for everything" that science is looking for. It easily tells the whole story, unites the forces, science with religion, and covers the life part of the equation from over 200 angles without anything being moved around. And science, don't worry, heaven and hell do not necessaily mean religion, they are showing the flow of the "processed" energy that leaves the body. The energy has to be there, and it has to leave, the only question is where and why. I say where they go has to be part of a recycling process. I'll show you where this came from easy and logical all the way.

10th September 2006, 09:46 PM	#20
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,182	Originally Posted by Kopji Oooo! Check out these cool graphics on the home page: http://inthemath.com/ This just rocks. Quote: The graph shows that life is a process by which energy is made into individual intelligent beings. From the view of a spirit, the size of the universe makes sense. As energy, a star 20 light years away would be only 20 years away. Space and time are no problem to energy. Now why didn't I think of that? "Hats off, gentlemen, a genius!"
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10th September 2006, 10:01 PM	#21
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie shut up, get back to work. I finally understand your name...

10th September 2006, 10:03 PM	#22
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,197	Quote: As energy, a star 20 light years away would be only 20 years away. Space and time are no problem to energy. What exactly is meant by "no problem"? What about a star that is 1 million light years away, is that a problem?

10th September 2006, 10:32 PM	#23
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	Quote: The 4 forces makes the universe what is it. With one part taken by electromagnetism, and the nuclear forces twins, gravity can only fit one place. Together they created the universe. Ergo, all your base belong to us.

10th September 2006, 11:21 PM	#24
Piggy Unlicensed street skeptic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ralph's side of the island Posts: 15,316	Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom Children are expected to take on the characteristics of their parents, so where did the characteristics of life come from? Are you prepared for the infinite regression? Are you prepared for that? And although the dichotomy is established, then if light is the progenitor, we have not 2 parents, but one parent with 2 sides, 2 sides of one coin -- the coin of light -- being attraction/repulsion, love/hate, mental/emotional, positive/negative, addition/subtraction, male/female. Still, there is one thing missing, how the coin -- light -- engenders. No. There must be a division before there can be union to produce the child, to produce life, time, space. And that is missing so far in your analysis. So what will that be? What you propose, it will explode the light, and from there the infinite regression, but not back to a Big Bang, not back to singularity, it's "elephants all the way down" when you do that. Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom Light is electromagnetic radiation and the characteristics of its electrical part are negative and positive, and those of its magnetic part are attraction and repulsion. Life experiences them (at one level) as No, Yes, I like you (love) and I don't like you (hate). Together they form the bases of the mental/emotional nature of life, and math to boot because negative is related to subtraction, positive to addition, attraction to multiplication and repulsion to division. And now we have an infinite progression forward, but still no mechanism for the primal division to engender the bifurcation of bifurcation. The third iteration/bifurcation yields chaos. (You shall see.) First, there is one thing (light, you say? wait, I'll get to it) and then comes the first bifurcation (from where? that's not explained in your theorizings, and not in mine... yet!) which creates being. Why? Because if there is only one, there is no size, no space, no time. Not yet being. When there are 2, now there is I/you, me/thou, recognition face to face, and understanding that I am because you are and I am not you. We also have time, as I see how you change and you how I change, and space, and dimension. What does this mean for physics? Now we have not just the primal singularity, but matter and energy! These are the first children, do you not agree?! The second bifurcation The two themselves become two each, apparently 4. Now we have a pair of pairs, which give rise to leptons and hadrons (matter, now protons and electrons) and energy yields (at this point, not earier) positive and negative. But where has the light gone? Nowhere. All of this is still light! Let us admit this, then -- let us face it -- we are all cooled light. That is all. We and everything around us are mere light trapped in circuits, so that the circuits, eddies of light on nano-nano-scale, appear as particles, but they are not, not at all billiard balls as the Great Minds of the Renaissance imagined, not even things at all, but events! All things which appear to be objects are not objects, but events! So now we have first light, then the first split which creates energy and matter and also space and time appear necessarily, then the second split which yeilds the proton and electron of matter, and the poles of energy. The third bifurcation yeilds chaos, infinite complexity, the holographic universe in which every portion contains the whole in microcosm. Only at this point is life even thinkable. Originally Posted by lightcreatedlife@hom If this does not fly for you, tell me what else would have the universal reach to do the job? That is where you have omitted something. What split the light? Tell me that. These are facts. If we are here and speaking, writing, sitting, eating, walking, then we cannot deny all this has happened because it is the universe we experience and which observations of all science reveals. I can say what I think, what split the light to allow it to engender by reunion. But I won't, until I know your word on it from yourself.
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10th September 2006, 11:53 PM	#25
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,197	Originally Posted by Piggy But I won't, until I know your word on it from yourself. I think you are looking for relief in the corner of a round building. But that's just a guess based on my reading of the initial post and website. We will see. BTW, did you ever follow the odd history of timecube?

11th September 2006, 12:12 AM	#26
Piggy Unlicensed street skeptic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ralph's side of the island Posts: 15,316	Originally Posted by RandFan I think you are looking for relief in the corner of a round building. But that's just a guess based on my reading of the initial post and website. We will see. BTW, did you ever follow the odd history of timecube? History? I'm familiar with Time Cube, but as far as I'm concerned it's just gibberish. I understand what lightcreatedlife is saying and I understand the Web site. Anybody can come on and pretend to be something they're not, but why not start with the benefit of the doubt? If I get no answer, then that's where it ends, no? Otherwise we'll see. And perhaps we will see.
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11th September 2006, 12:50 AM	#27
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,197	Originally Posted by Piggy History? Oh yeah, including parodies and a debate. Quote: I'm familiar with Time Cube, but as far as I'm concerned it's just gibberish. Agreed. Quote: I understand what lightcreatedlife is saying and I understand the Web site. I understand what is being said but that doesn't mean that it makes any sense. I don't think it makes anymore sense than timecube. I could very well be wrong. Quote: Anybody can come on and pretend to be something they're not, but why not start with the benefit of the doubt? If I get no answer, then that's where it ends, no? Otherwise we'll see. And perhaps we will see. That's fair. Too often people on this forum (including me) jump to conclusions about the intentions and or reasonableness of posters. I was simply making an observation. Carry on.

11th September 2006, 02:59 AM	#28
Piggy Unlicensed street skeptic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ralph's side of the island Posts: 15,316	Originally Posted by RandFan I understand what is being said but that doesn't mean that it makes any sense. I don't think it makes anymore sense than timecube. I could very well be wrong. Oh, I think it does make sense, tho not the kind of sense most folks around here are accustomed to making, or hearing. Time Cube, far as I could tell, was no-sense, just strings of strings of strings, word salet. Not saying I'm all on board with lightcreatedlife's postulations, but there's scientists I also don't sit in the same room with. We might be able to have a dialog, who knows?
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11th September 2006, 03:14 AM	#29
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	But surely it wasn't light acting alone which created life. It was light interacting with matter wasn't it? Shouldn't we also display some of the characteristics of rocks?
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11th September 2006, 03:17 AM	#30
Piggy Unlicensed street skeptic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ralph's side of the island Posts: 15,316	Originally Posted by Brainache But surely it wasn't light acting alone which created life. It was light interacting with matter wasn't it? Shouldn't we also display some of the characteristics of rocks? We do, as we are solid and contain minerals, require in fact minerals, very rockish stuff that.
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11th September 2006, 03:20 AM	#31
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Originally Posted by Piggy We do, as we are solid and contain minerals, require in fact minerals, very rockish stuff that. Crikey! I believe! Sign me up for the church of whateverthehelltheyaretalkingabout now!
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11th September 2006, 05:09 AM	#32
DangerousBeliefs Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,304	30 replies for a hit and run post? I think the website explains it all... http://www.lightcreatedlife.com
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11th September 2006, 07:09 AM	#33
TobiasTheViking Resident Viking Autist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: With your mother Posts: 6,923	Now what makes you think posting the link was a good idea???? tsk tsk
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11th September 2006, 07:10 AM	#34
lightcreatedlife@hom Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: newark, n.j. Posts: 1,483	Originally Posted by c4ts Light is not electromagnetic. It is composed of photons. Look it up again. Or google it-that's faster. Light is electromagnetic radiation.

11th September 2006, 07:12 AM	#35
lightcreatedlife@hom Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: newark, n.j. Posts: 1,483	Originally Posted by TobiasTheCommie Now what makes you think posting the link was a good idea???? tsk tsk Direct questions about what I posted please. I am busy.

11th September 2006, 07:13 AM	#36
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	I misread the topic and thought it was "Life created life", and was going to be the tired old argument that "only living things gave birth to living things", therefore what started it all? Must be god. But it was something else. How refreshing!
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