Awwww, You're All Just A Bunch of Rabid Right Wing Bush Supporters

Foolmewunz · 11th September 2006, 12:20 AM

Obviously not!

But it's surprising that while most of the real extreme right wing are lurking and sock-puppeting on the various CT boards, the LC mob, to a man/woman, seem to think anyone who questions their insanity and inanity is automatically a status quo supporting Republican, has at least a hundred thousand shares of Halliburton, and cashed out of Enron two days before all the "little people" got hurt.

Annecdotal evidence only, please..... Not a formal poll. All are welcome - not looking for only liberals or only conservatives, but a fair enough cross-section.

I'll start - I am so NOT a Republican! My politics are probably to the left of the Clintons, in fact. Yet, anyone who's seen my posts can surmise that I'm violently (in a pacifist sort of way) anti-CT.

gumboot · 11th September 2006, 12:24 AM

Here in New Zealand, I'd be seen as slightly left on a lot of issues, slightly right on a lot of others. I guess I'm kinda in the middle.

Not sure how that fits into the USA. But I could never vote for a political party that used religious rhetoric, which both Republicans and Democrats seem to use from time to time.

-Andrew

CptColumbo · 11th September 2006, 12:27 AM

Since I started to be eligible to vote, I've yet to vote for the man elected president. I've always back the wrong horse. This might be due to the fact that I vote 3rd party often (but not always).

Yeah, I voted for Jesse Ventura in '98, and given the candidates that year I'd do it again.

That being said, this might be a thread better suited to the Politics forum. Which I hope all visitors who think we're all right-wing will visit, before forming that opinion.

apathoid · 11th September 2006, 12:28 AM

Independant, usually non-voting left-leaning moderate. Looking forward to a new administration in '08.

Oliver · 11th September 2006, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

I'm violently (in a pacifist sort of way) Anti-CT.

I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re
all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political
parties? For God knows how much people? Do they
all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other
movements?

This is a serios question to the world most powerfull
country on the planet.

jhunter1163 · 11th September 2006, 12:42 AM

It seems to me that Bush is the victim of the six-year rule.. we get bored of our presidents after six years and try to come up with some way to get rid of them, Clinton with Whitewater/Lewinsky, Reagan with Iran/contra, and Bush with whatever it is they're trying to pin on him. Now I'm not saying they don't have some reason for this, but every second-term president hears calls for his impeachment, no matter what he does.

aerosolben · 11th September 2006, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

Since I started to be eligible to vote, I've yet to vote for the man elected president. I've always back the wrong horse. This might be due to the fact that I vote 3rd party often (but not always).

Hey, me too!

Of course, my reason is less third parties, and more that the first presidential election I was eligible to vote in was in 2000....

apathoid · 11th September 2006, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re
all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political
parties? For God knows how much people? Do they
all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other
movements?

Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs.

Oliver · 11th September 2006, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by apathoid

Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs.

And what about millions of not wealthy and poor
people over there? Who represents them?

Foolmewunz · 11th September 2006, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

That being said, this might be a thread better suited to the Politics forum. Which I hope all visitors who think we're all right-wing will visit, before forming that opinion.

Attention Mods - unless it turns into a political back-and-forth, please leave in CT. It's a CT related sampling.

The intention was to get some anecdotal data to offer as responses to the "Oh, you're all bunch of .....(whatevers)!" I think most JREFers would think that to be totally absurd, as we fight like cats and dogs amongst ourselves, but that's in Politics, Religion, History, and especially Humor!

.

DarkMagician · 11th September 2006, 01:01 AM

I'm pretty much a Democrat through and through. If there were anything to these CTs, I'd be one of the first crying out for blood. However, no matter how I feel, a CT is an extraordinary claim, and they do not put up the evidence to prove their CTs.

SezMe · 11th September 2006, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by apathoid

Independant, usually non-voting left-leaning moderate. Looking forward to a new administration in '08.

I'm interested in the "non-voting" part. Why do you usually not vote?

gtc · 11th September 2006, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re
all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political
parties? For God knows how much people? Do they
all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other
movements?

This is a serios question to the world most powerfull
country on the planet.

Oliver, I come from Australia.

The US has two dominant parties because of the way they count votes.
The winner in the US is the party who gets the most votes.

Say there are two parties, Democrat and Republican and the votes go like this:

Democrat 12,000
Republican 10,000

The Democrats obviously win.

Now, what if the Democrats split into two parties, the Social Democrats and the Greens. The votes might go like this:

Republican 10,000
Democrat 8,000
Green 4,000

The Republicans win, because the left wing vote has been split.

Brainache · 11th September 2006, 02:24 AM

Well I'm Australian and I usually vote Labor and/or Greens. Would never consider voting for the Libs.
So I guess in US terms I'm left of the Clintons and leaning towards Ralf Nader.

Oliver · 11th September 2006, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

Now, what if the Democrats split into two parties, the Social Democrats and the Greens. The votes might go like this: The Republicans win, because the left wing vote has been split.

So the Republicans and or Democrates are
coalitions of several subparties, right?

Thanks for your help, GTC - i never understood it very well.

stateofgrace · 11th September 2006, 02:37 AM

Try this.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82

Brainache · 11th September 2006, 02:41 AM

The thing I find most strange about US politics is the apparently small number of people who turn out to vote.
Of course here voting is compuslory which I don't entirely agree with, but I like to think that if voting was voluntary we would get more than half the elligible population to vote. I may of course be over estimating my fellow Australians' political energy.

gumboot · 11th September 2006, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

Try this.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82

Oh neat. I gave it a crack.

Turns out I'm slightly in the Libertarian Left camp (very similar to your self, stateofgrace, just a tad more libertarian and a tad more right. Interestingly the only New Zealand party they put in that spectrum were the Greens, who I can't stand. Heh. Not sure if it's to do with the particular policies that most interest me, or my poor understanding of politics...

-Andrew

Brainache · 11th September 2006, 04:34 AM

OK I did the questionaire:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...8.13&soc=-7.03

Seems I'm left of Ghandi.

Peephole · 11th September 2006, 04:39 AM

I'm a European social-democrat.

kevin · 11th September 2006, 04:43 AM

i tend to be socially liberal and economically conserative. I voted for bush sr, and clinton (both times). Under no circumstances could you have gotten me to vote for bush jr. I have always considered him to be an idiot, even before the war in Iraq.

The only action he's taken that I agreed with (and this includes all his domestic policy too) is attacking afghanistan. Which he promptly pissed away attacking Iraq on fabricated evidence that I didn't believe when I heard it!

The complete incompetence at fabricating evidence that Iraq was involved in 9/11 or accomplishing building WMD's is pretty damning in claiming they pulled off 9/11 conspiracies.

fuelair · 11th September 2006, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

Well I'm Australian and I usually vote Labor and/or Greens. Would never consider voting for the Libs.
So I guess in US terms I'm left of the Clintons and leaning towards Ralf Nader.

Ralph Nadir ( purposeful, point-making misspelling) has turned into a publicity hungry (only appropriate words are rule 8). But, hey, if that's what people want.

MarkyX · 11th September 2006, 05:17 AM

Moderate right winger here. I despise Bush for being an incompetent leader.

Sword_Of_Truth · 11th September 2006, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Brainache

OK I did the questionaire:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...8.13&soc=-7.03

Seems I'm left of Ghandi.

There doesn't seem to be anything in the quiz that approximates rhino philosophy.

kevin · 11th September 2006, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

And what about millions of not wealthy and poor
people over there? Who represents them?

theoretically whoever they vote for represents them, it's not like you have to have money to vote (any more). Traditionally the democrats have claimed to represent the poor. although it tends to be the urban poor that votes democrat. the rural poor tend to vote religion (therefore republican) even if it is economically disadvantageous to them.

calebprime · 11th September 2006, 05:37 AM

I guess I'm slightly to the libertarian left of dead center. Way to the libertarian left on issues of personal freedom, but think we need some regulation of business, some environmental laws, taxes to raise money for public schools, strong national defense, etc. Not sure if this a coherent position.

Strongly, strongly anti-Conspiracy Theory. I'm slightly ashamed if any of the CT'ers are identified with the 60's left, or current progressive causes. I support protest against the Iraq war , and I'm ashamed to see it associated with lunatics.

Jocky · 11th September 2006, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

Try this.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire

I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82

Ah yes, seen this before. We gave it a whirl over on UK-Skeptics a few weeks ago.

All ten of us who did the poll came out in the bottom left quadrant! My score (Economic -5, Social -4.15) was close to the average for the group. Admittedly, my politics are left of centre - I'm a Liberal Democrat voter, and here in the UK they are comfortably the most left wing of the three major parties (the only one which came out against the Iraq war, for instance, an option which seems to have been denied to US voters). But I am no rabid socialist!

However, I am a tad skeptical of how accurate a barometer this test is, ingenious as it may be - interpretation of both questions and results are subject to cultural bias. I suspect you'd have to be a pretty dedicated fan of jackboots and low, low taxes to end up very far away from the bottom left quadrant.

asmodean · 11th September 2006, 06:08 AM

Same as Peephole: basically social-democrat.

Results from PC:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97

with the graph: http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...5.63&soc=-4.97

negativ · 11th September 2006, 06:22 AM

I really can't stand the fact that the Repblican party has been for at least 25 years bending over and taking it from the religious right. The Democrats, however, have raised "being pathetic" to an art form.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...0.13&soc=-4.82

CurtC · 11th September 2006, 06:28 AM

I'm pro-freedom. I think people should be allowed to make arrangements for their money and their labor with minimal government involvement, and if the government gets involved, there needs to be a damn good reason.

Another facet is that people should be allowed to do what they want to do personally, as long as they're not harming someone else. There are limitations on all these, for living in a society with lots of other people, but overall these should be the guiding principles.

I think that puts me as a small-L libertarian. I used to identify with Republicans on 90% of the issues, but that was back when 90% of the issues before the government were economic.

Arkan_Wolfshade · 11th September 2006, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth

There doesn't seem to be anything in the quiz that approximates rhino philosophy.

Meh, haven't really changed since the last time I did it:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.38&soc=-4.92

Darth Rotor · 11th September 2006, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by CurtC

I think that puts me as a small-L libertarian. I used to identify with Republicans on 90% of the issues, but that was back when 90% of the issues before the government were economic.

I never registered for any political party. I'll be voting for Kinky Friedman this November for Texas governor. Now and again a protest vote is appropriate.

The Reagan Republicans did some good, and the Republican house vs Clinton did some more good, particularly in knocking down deficits.

My second biggest disappointment with the current crowd, beyond various wars, is the irresponsible abuse of debt financing. This is LBJonomics at best, slash and burn at its worst.

My biggest disappointment is failure to enforce Article IV of the US Constitution. Neither party has the guts to do that, it seems.

If the Libertarians were actually organized, I'd consider joining them.

DR

Axiom_Blade · 11th September 2006, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by apathoid

Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs.

Well, there are a lot of Republicans who would vote Libertarian, and a lot of Democrats who would vote Green, but they don't feel that such a vote would be "realistic", and would just split the vote, causing the election of the opposition. (See the Democrats' fear in '01 and '04 over Nader "splitting the vote" and "helping" Bush to win.)

The system is set up to favor two parties. A third party has only broke through once in US history, when the Republicans overthrew the Whigs with Lincoln. The third parties are "loony" in that they actually represent interests of the people: the two major parties represent interests of their funders (usually large corporations) (see the many similarities between Bush and Kerry in the '04 election. Many US voters feel they are merely choosing between the "lesser of two evils".)

I'm a Green Party member, who sometimes votes Libertarian.

Brainster · 11th September 2006, 07:39 AM

I'd classify myself as center-right. Among others, I've voted for Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton (first time) and George W. Bush. I'm economically conservative, socially libertarian and a foreign policy hawk. I support the President, but not everything he does.

G-K-4 · 11th September 2006, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

But it's surprising that while most of the real extreme right wing are lurking and sock-puppeting on the various CT boards, the LC mob, to a man/woman, seem to think anyone who questions their insanity and inanity is automatically a status quo supporting Republican.

I'm with you, Foolmewunz. I'm certainly farther to the left than conservative Democrats such as the Clintons, and possibly farther than you, but I can't stand conspiracism. In fact, conspiracism runs counter to normal leftist ways of understanding the world. It looks like the populist Right has been making inroads over the last twenty years.

If you are interested in learning more about this problem, I recommend the articles called "Right Woos Left" by Chip Berlet. I can't post URL's yet, but it's on his "Public Eye" (dot org) website.

And I'm glad to know that not everyone is falling for these tall tales, and some of us are fighting back.

0oTITANo0 · 11th September 2006, 12:11 PM

I am very liberal socially and an economic centrist.
I believe that everyone should have sex, drugs and rock and roll to their own level of satisfaction and in their own way. This of course is qualified by the fact that all parties are consenting adults.
Economically I believe that the motivation to profit is valuable however we need comtrols that protect consumers and employees.

jon · 11th September 2006, 12:47 PM

it's because I'm on the left politically that I find all of this CT stuff so worrying - if this catches on in left-wing political movements (which it may do) it would be a really spectacular way of shooting ourselves in the foot*. Aside from that, it's a shame to see so much anti-Bush, anti-Blair etc. energy being wasted in the '9/11 truth' movement.

*repeatedly. And after each shot listening to Alex Jones blaming the globalists, while CTers reload the gun and moan about the bleeding.

Moochie · 11th September 2006, 12:56 PM

Was left, never right, now frozen in time and violently ill whenever anyone asks me to vote for any of the clowns that are regularly trotted out during elections.

M.

jskowron · 11th September 2006, 01:23 PM

I'm pretty far to the left, especially socially. I usually vote democrat, usually not because I like them, but because I generally don't like the republican platform and feel, at this time in the US, my vote would be wasted on a candidate from a more left-leaning party.

ArmillarySphere · 11th September 2006, 04:37 PM

I'm pretty much in the center. Of Swedish politics, that is, which means that I would be a long distance to the left of the Democrats if I lived in the US.

Speaking of the republican-religious merger, I had an interesting view of the BBC documentary "The power of nightmares", which went some way to clarify things, especially part two. (each part is an hour long, so it takes a while to watch it all)

I'm probably not allowed to post links yet, so modify as appropriate.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1002626006461047517
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7930933565201168
video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3649090417189127240

11th September 2006, 12:20 AM	#1
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,524	Awwww, You're All Just A Bunch of Rabid Right Wing Bush Supporters Obviously not! But it's surprising that while most of the real extreme right wing are lurking and sock-puppeting on the various CT boards, the LC mob, to a man/woman, seem to think anyone who questions their insanity and inanity is automatically a status quo supporting Republican, has at least a hundred thousand shares of Halliburton, and cashed out of Enron two days before all the "little people" got hurt. Annecdotal evidence only, please..... Not a formal poll. All are welcome - not looking for only liberals or only conservatives, but a fair enough cross-section. I'll start - I am so NOT a Republican! My politics are probably to the left of the Clintons, in fact. Yet, anyone who's seen my posts can surmise that I'm violently (in a pacifist sort of way) anti-CT.
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11th September 2006, 12:24 AM	#2
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,127	Here in New Zealand, I'd be seen as slightly left on a lot of issues, slightly right on a lot of others. I guess I'm kinda in the middle. Not sure how that fits into the USA. But I could never vote for a political party that used religious rhetoric, which both Republicans and Democrats seem to use from time to time. -Andrew
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11th September 2006, 12:27 AM	#3
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Since I started to be eligible to vote, I've yet to vote for the man elected president. I've always back the wrong horse. This might be due to the fact that I vote 3rd party often (but not always). Yeah, I voted for Jesse Ventura in '98, and given the candidates that year I'd do it again. That being said, this might be a thread better suited to the Politics forum. Which I hope all visitors who think we're all right-wing will visit, before forming that opinion.
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11th September 2006, 12:41 AM	#5
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz I'm violently (in a pacifist sort of way) Anti-CT. I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political parties? For God knows how much people? Do they all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other movements? This is a serios question to the world most powerfull country on the planet.
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11th September 2006, 12:42 AM	#6
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,603	It seems to me that Bush is the victim of the six-year rule.. we get bored of our presidents after six years and try to come up with some way to get rid of them, Clinton with Whitewater/Lewinsky, Reagan with Iran/contra, and Bush with whatever it is they're trying to pin on him. Now I'm not saying they don't have some reason for this, but every second-term president hears calls for his impeachment, no matter what he does.
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11th September 2006, 12:28 AM	#4
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,699	Independant, usually non-voting left-leaning moderate. Looking forward to a new administration in '08.

11th September 2006, 12:47 AM	#7
aerosolben Evil Genius Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,270	Originally Posted by CptColumbo Since I started to be eligible to vote, I've yet to vote for the man elected president. I've always back the wrong horse. This might be due to the fact that I vote 3rd party often (but not always). Hey, me too! Of course, my reason is less third parties, and more that the first presidential election I was eligible to vote in was in 2000....
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11th September 2006, 12:49 AM	#8
apathoid Government Loyalist Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: The Virgo Supercluster Posts: 2,699	Originally Posted by Oliver I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political parties? For God knows how much people? Do they all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other movements? Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs.
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11th September 2006, 12:52 AM	#9
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by apathoid Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs. And what about millions of not wealthy and poor people over there? Who represents them?

11th September 2006, 12:53 AM	#10
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,524	Originally Posted by CptColumbo That being said, this might be a thread better suited to the Politics forum. Which I hope all visitors who think we're all right-wing will visit, before forming that opinion. Attention Mods - unless it turns into a political back-and-forth, please leave in CT. It's a CT related sampling. The intention was to get some anecdotal data to offer as responses to the "Oh, you're all bunch of .....(whatevers)!" I think most JREFers would think that to be totally absurd, as we fight like cats and dogs amongst ourselves, but that's in Politics, Religion, History, and especially Humor! .
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11th September 2006, 01:01 AM	#11
DarkMagician Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 1,539	I'm pretty much a Democrat through and through. If there were anything to these CTs, I'd be one of the first crying out for blood. However, no matter how I feel, a CT is an extraordinary claim, and they do not put up the evidence to prove their CTs.
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11th September 2006, 01:27 AM	#12
SezMe post-pre-born Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 16,367	Originally Posted by apathoid Independant, usually non-voting left-leaning moderate. Looking forward to a new administration in '08. I'm interested in the "non-voting" part. Why do you usually not vote?

11th September 2006, 01:32 AM	#13
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by Oliver I´m not political at all, having 13 Parties and they´re all nuts. But why does america only have 2 political parties? For God knows how much people? Do they all have just 2 meanings? Or do they choke other movements? This is a serios question to the world most powerfull country on the planet. Oliver, I come from Australia. The US has two dominant parties because of the way they count votes. The winner in the US is the party who gets the most votes. Say there are two parties, Democrat and Republican and the votes go like this: Democrat 12,000 Republican 10,000 The Democrats obviously win. Now, what if the Democrats split into two parties, the Social Democrats and the Greens. The votes might go like this: Republican 10,000 Democrat 8,000 Green 4,000 The Republicans win, because the left wing vote has been split.

11th September 2006, 02:24 AM	#14
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Well I'm Australian and I usually vote Labor and/or Greens. Would never consider voting for the Libs. So I guess in US terms I'm left of the Clintons and leaning towards Ralf Nader.
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11th September 2006, 02:30 AM	#15
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by gtc Now, what if the Democrats split into two parties, the Social Democrats and the Greens. The votes might go like this: The Republicans win, because the left wing vote has been split. So the Republicans and or Democrates are coalitions of several subparties, right? Thanks for your help, GTC - i never understood it very well.

11th September 2006, 02:37 AM	#16
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Try this. http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results. http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82

11th September 2006, 02:41 AM	#17
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	The thing I find most strange about US politics is the apparently small number of people who turn out to vote. Of course here voting is compuslory which I don't entirely agree with, but I like to think that if voting was voluntary we would get more than half the elligible population to vote. I may of course be over estimating my fellow Australians' political energy.
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11th September 2006, 04:04 AM	#18
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,127	Originally Posted by stateofgrace Try this. http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results. http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82 Oh neat. I gave it a crack. Turns out I'm slightly in the Libertarian Left camp (very similar to your self, stateofgrace, just a tad more libertarian and a tad more right. Interestingly the only New Zealand party they put in that spectrum were the Greens, who I can't stand. Heh. Not sure if it's to do with the particular policies that most interest me, or my poor understanding of politics... -Andrew
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11th September 2006, 04:34 AM	#19
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	OK I did the questionaire: http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...8.13&soc=-7.03 Seems I'm left of Ghandi.
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11th September 2006, 04:39 AM	#20
Peephole Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,246	I'm a European social-democrat.
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11th September 2006, 04:43 AM	#21
kevin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,666	i tend to be socially liberal and economically conserative. I voted for bush sr, and clinton (both times). Under no circumstances could you have gotten me to vote for bush jr. I have always considered him to be an idiot, even before the war in Iraq. The only action he's taken that I agreed with (and this includes all his domestic policy too) is attacking afghanistan. Which he promptly pissed away attacking Iraq on fabricated evidence that I didn't believe when I heard it! The complete incompetence at fabricating evidence that Iraq was involved in 9/11 or accomplishing building WMD's is pretty damning in claiming they pulled off 9/11 conspiracies.
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11th September 2006, 04:44 AM	#22
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Brainache Well I'm Australian and I usually vote Labor and/or Greens. Would never consider voting for the Libs. So I guess in US terms I'm left of the Clintons and leaning towards Ralf Nader. Ralph Nadir ( purposeful, point-making misspelling) has turned into a publicity hungry (only appropriate words are rule 8). But, hey, if that's what people want.
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11th September 2006, 05:17 AM	#23
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Moderate right winger here. I despise Bush for being an incompetent leader.
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11th September 2006, 05:22 AM	#24
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by Brainache OK I did the questionaire: http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...8.13&soc=-7.03 Seems I'm left of Ghandi. There doesn't seem to be anything in the quiz that approximates rhino philosophy.
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11th September 2006, 05:27 AM	#25
kevin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,666	Originally Posted by Oliver And what about millions of not wealthy and poor people over there? Who represents them? theoretically whoever they vote for represents them, it's not like you have to have money to vote (any more). Traditionally the democrats have claimed to represent the poor. although it tends to be the urban poor that votes democrat. the rural poor tend to vote religion (therefore republican) even if it is economically disadvantageous to them.
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11th September 2006, 05:37 AM	#26
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,760	I guess I'm slightly to the libertarian left of dead center. Way to the libertarian left on issues of personal freedom, but think we need some regulation of business, some environmental laws, taxes to raise money for public schools, strong national defense, etc. Not sure if this a coherent position. Strongly, strongly anti-Conspiracy Theory. I'm slightly ashamed if any of the CT'ers are identified with the 60's left, or current progressive causes. I support protest against the Iraq war , and I'm ashamed to see it associated with lunatics.

11th September 2006, 06:03 AM	#27
Jocky Scholar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Banbury, Oxfordshire, UK Posts: 72	Originally Posted by stateofgrace Try this. http://www.politicalcompass.org/questionnaire I’m sure you guys will have seen it before but here are my results. http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.88&soc=-0.82 Ah yes, seen this before. We gave it a whirl over on UK-Skeptics a few weeks ago. All ten of us who did the poll came out in the bottom left quadrant! My score (Economic -5, Social -4.15) was close to the average for the group. Admittedly, my politics are left of centre - I'm a Liberal Democrat voter, and here in the UK they are comfortably the most left wing of the three major parties (the only one which came out against the Iraq war, for instance, an option which seems to have been denied to US voters). But I am no rabid socialist! However, I am a tad skeptical of how accurate a barometer this test is, ingenious as it may be - interpretation of both questions and results are subject to cultural bias. I suspect you'd have to be a pretty dedicated fan of jackboots and low, low taxes to end up very far away from the bottom left quadrant.

11th September 2006, 06:08 AM	#28
asmodean Turing Complete Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern arctic tundra, second igloo on the left Posts: 673	Same as Peephole: basically social-democrat. Results from PC: Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -5.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97 with the graph: http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...5.63&soc=-4.97
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11th September 2006, 06:22 AM	#29
negativ Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the land of make-believe Posts: 1,905	I really can't stand the fact that the Repblican party has been for at least 25 years bending over and taking it from the religious right. The Democrats, however, have raised "being pathetic" to an art form. http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...0.13&soc=-4.82

11th September 2006, 06:28 AM	#30
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,758	I'm pro-freedom. I think people should be allowed to make arrangements for their money and their labor with minimal government involvement, and if the government gets involved, there needs to be a damn good reason. Another facet is that people should be allowed to do what they want to do personally, as long as they're not harming someone else. There are limitations on all these, for living in a society with lots of other people, but overall these should be the guiding principles. I think that puts me as a small-L libertarian. I used to identify with Republicans on 90% of the issues, but that was back when 90% of the issues before the government were economic.

11th September 2006, 07:14 AM	#31
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth There doesn't seem to be anything in the quiz that approximates rhino philosophy. Meh, haven't really changed since the last time I did it: http://www.politicalcompass.org/prin...1.38&soc=-4.92
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11th September 2006, 07:15 AM	#32
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by CurtC I think that puts me as a small-L libertarian. I used to identify with Republicans on 90% of the issues, but that was back when 90% of the issues before the government were economic. I never registered for any political party. I'll be voting for Kinky Friedman this November for Texas governor. Now and again a protest vote is appropriate. The Reagan Republicans did some good, and the Republican house vs Clinton did some more good, particularly in knocking down deficits. My second biggest disappointment with the current crowd, beyond various wars, is the irresponsible abuse of debt financing. This is LBJonomics at best, slash and burn at its worst. My biggest disappointment is failure to enforce Article IV of the US Constitution. Neither party has the guts to do that, it seems. If the Libertarians were actually organized, I'd consider joining them. DR
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11th September 2006, 07:25 AM	#33
Axiom_Blade Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,748	Originally Posted by apathoid Great point. But, there are more than 2 parties(Greens, Libertarians, Communists, I think we even have a Labor party). Its just that they are even more looney than the Ds and Rs. Well, there are a lot of Republicans who would vote Libertarian, and a lot of Democrats who would vote Green, but they don't feel that such a vote would be "realistic", and would just split the vote, causing the election of the opposition. (See the Democrats' fear in '01 and '04 over Nader "splitting the vote" and "helping" Bush to win.) The system is set up to favor two parties. A third party has only broke through once in US history, when the Republicans overthrew the Whigs with Lincoln. The third parties are "loony" in that they actually represent interests of the people: the two major parties represent interests of their funders (usually large corporations) (see the many similarities between Bush and Kerry in the '04 election. Many US voters feel they are merely choosing between the "lesser of two evils".) I'm a Green Party member, who sometimes votes Libertarian.

11th September 2006, 07:39 AM	#34
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,441	I'd classify myself as center-right. Among others, I've voted for Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton (first time) and George W. Bush. I'm economically conservative, socially libertarian and a foreign policy hawk. I support the President, but not everything he does.
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11th September 2006, 07:46 AM	#35
G-K-4 Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 365	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz But it's surprising that while most of the real extreme right wing are lurking and sock-puppeting on the various CT boards, the LC mob, to a man/woman, seem to think anyone who questions their insanity and inanity is automatically a status quo supporting Republican. I'm with you, Foolmewunz. I'm certainly farther to the left than conservative Democrats such as the Clintons, and possibly farther than you, but I can't stand conspiracism. In fact, conspiracism runs counter to normal leftist ways of understanding the world. It looks like the populist Right has been making inroads over the last twenty years. If you are interested in learning more about this problem, I recommend the articles called "Right Woos Left" by Chip Berlet. I can't post URL's yet, but it's on his "Public Eye" (dot org) website. And I'm glad to know that not everyone is falling for these tall tales, and some of us are fighting back.
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