Deny this

parmanides · 13th September 2006, 10:30 AM

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

mortimer · 13th September 2006, 10:35 AM

To what "tried and trusted group psychology techniques" are you referring? And how did you escape from them yourself?

chipmunk stew · 13th September 2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

What are these techniques? How did you first realize they were being employed against you? (Or are you one of those employing them?) How does one escape their effects? Is there anything we can do about this power structure?

edit: Oh yeah. Welcome.

Arkan_Wolfshade · 13th September 2006, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power.

Please cite some objective, corroboratable examples.

Originally Posted by parmanides

The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and

Please cite at least one specific, corroboratable example of this occurring.

Originally Posted by parmanides

employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest.

Please cite one, or more, specific examples of these techniques.

Originally Posted by parmanides

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

Please explain why people would not be aware of these techniques (which I assume you have provided specific examples above per my request).

Regnad Kcin · 13th September 2006, 10:38 AM

Fine. I deny it.

Unless you can provide... proof.

And welcome to the forum.

TK0001 · 13th September 2006, 10:39 AM

"Deny this"

Done. Anything else?

ETA: dammit regnad!!@!#

Marquis de Carabas · 13th September 2006, 10:46 AM

Well, I see I was beaten to the punch, but...

Peephole · 13th September 2006, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

So why has not a single reputable historian ever reported the existence and influence of such a powerful group?

Pardalis · 13th September 2006, 10:51 AM

"Deny this" ?

Ooooh, you're going to make alot of friends here!

Hellbound · 13th September 2006, 10:51 AM

I can't deny it.

IN fact, I'm one of those in these secret groups...I'm in charge of hypnotic memory replacement.

I have to do a touch up job on another forum poster, so we'll just add parminides to the "to do" list and get right on it.

Can't have that troof get out, can we?

*Huntsman hops onto his private Space Shuttle and launches himself to the secret base on the far side of the moon*

G-K-4 · 13th September 2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

...The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility...

Adding a possibility? Is the conspiracy view documenting observable human behavior, in a contribution to the social sciences. Or is the conspiracy view putting forward an inventive speculation?

Originally Posted by parmanides

...that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure...

A structure? Only one?

Is this a formal organization, with formal membership and meetings, etcetera? Or is it a more like a network of individuals or families? Or is there no structure at all, just a broad group of people who cooperate in their common interest when they can, leave each other alone when they can't, and fight each other when they have to?

What is this structure's scope? Is it local, national, regional, global? Are there many structures? How do they interact?

Originally Posted by parmanides

...and identity....

As with structure, what is this identity? Is there only one? Do other identities, such as nationality, language, religion, race, sex, gender, family-membership, etcetera, ever trump it? Are there ever clashes?

GlennB · 13th September 2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

I wouldn't argue against a single word that you have said up there.

But to "arrange" 9/11 to pursue some idealogical goal would require a method. This is not a relatively simple Kristallnacht we're talking about here.

If you're suggesting it was "arranged", what would be the method?

Welcome

KingMerv00 · 13th September 2006, 11:10 AM

For the last time:

Evidence FIRST....THEN conclusion.

headscratcher4 · 13th September 2006, 11:16 AM

Deny this: Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly conned the gullible into believe the most elaborate and complex conspiritorial causes for incidents, policies and actions in an elaborate effort to focus attention away from the fact that "***** happens"...knowing that if people believed that "***** happens" they would lose their fear of the rich, oligarchs and demand that they either stop ***** from happening or give up power.

You, my friend, have been had.

Dave1001 · 13th September 2006, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

I don't discount what you're saying, although I'm more in the camp that there are secret wars/rival conspiratorial factions rather than that there is one unified superelite.

A lot of these groups can be named and aren't so secret, others, more so.

For example, the elite managers of global herion distribution aren't well known, although to accomplish their goals they need to be run by very smart people at the top engaged in a web of geopolitics.

In contrast, elite members of the chinese communist party are probably not hard to identify, and are presiding over some of the greatest wealth increase/wealth transference the world has known. For all intents and purposes, they seem to run China much like you say: conspiratorially protecting each others' interests and coercing mass compiance using psychological techniques and control of mass media.

ETA: And as someone else pointed out, a lot of the time, ***** happens.

Dog Town · 13th September 2006, 11:22 AM

denied !

headscratcher4 · 13th September 2006, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dave1001

I don't discount what you're saying, although I'm more in the camp that there are secret wars/rival conspiratorial factions rather than that there is one unified superelite.

A lot of these groups can be named and aren't so secret, others, more so.

For example, the elite managers of global herion distribution aren't well known, although to accomplish their goals they need to be run by very smart people at the top engaged in a web of geopolitics.

In contrast, elite members of the chinese communist party are probably not hard to identify, and are presiding over some of the greatest wealth increase/wealth transference the world has known. For all intents and purposes, they seem to run China much like you say: conspiratorially protecting each others' interests and coercing mass compiance using psychological techniques and control of mass media.

I will bet you that Law enforcement has a pretty good idea who runs the Heroin trade and how...catching them and making a case (or preventing them from bribing and influencing government officials) is a much harder matter. But, I feel pretty confident in asserting that the players are known to people who investigate and follow the trade.

David Wong · 13th September 2006, 11:25 AM

Wait, is this person posting about 9/11 or just general Illuminati conspiracies in general?

If it's the former than his "logical possibility" involves doing something that would be physically impossible (performing a hoax on a 9/11 scale without anyone leaking it).

But since this is just the general "Conspiracy" forum I didn't know if he was referring to that.

Loss Leader · 13th September 2006, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

What evidence do you have that this is the truth of freemasonry? If you are simply going to state an argument "A is true, therefore A is true," I doubt you'll find much support here.

T.A.M. · 13th September 2006, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power.

yes

Originally Posted by parmanides

The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest.

Bullshaite. If this was all the CTers were trying to say, we would never even hear from them, much more have to deal with them....what godamn crap this statement is...

The CTers take this hypothesis, and from it try to convince everyone through cherry picked quotes, half truths, and speculation, that this is the case for all things, 9/11, JFK, Aliens, blah blah blah...SO THE ABOVE QUOTE IS FAR FROM ALL THE CONSIPRACY VIEW SIMPLY ADDS.

Originally Posted by parmanides

This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

For those who believe that these societies are anything more than "wealthy" fraternities and boys clubs, i suppose so...

Originally Posted by parmanides

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

and so that we wouldn't dare seperate you from the rest of the CT swine, you complete your statement with an insult...thanks ASSF&*KER...

TAM

CurtC · 13th September 2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

If you are simply going to state an argument "A is true, therefore A is true," I doubt you'll find much support here.

It's more than that, though, isn't it? He's saying that A is true, therefore A is true, and since they are secret we can't disprove it.

Well, Mr. permanides, here's my assertion to you: All the world's leaders are being controlled by chips implanted in their brains by viscious overlords from the planet Mizar-5, who monitor the Earth's events from their secret cloaked space stations around our planet. You are oblivious to this as a steer is oblivious to the intentions of the meat packer.

Is there any substantive difference in what I said and what you said?

alfaniner · 13th September 2006, 12:22 PM

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What do you think you're doing? Shut up wit da secrets already!

headscratcher4 · 13th September 2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What do you think you're doing? Shut up wit da secrets already!

Didn't you used to have a little dancing blue thing for an Icon? I miss it.

Sword_Of_Truth · 13th September 2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people Like Osama Bin Laden? Estimated worth in the hundreds of millions. have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people Such as 19 impressionable young men with limited flying skills? (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The massive propaganda victory of knocking over the most famous office towers in the world would grant a certain amount of power.The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This group would be called "Al-Queada". This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. We are tragically aware of Osama's employment of these techniques.

I agree with the above statement and see no logical reason to deny it.

PopeTom · 13th September 2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Huntsman

I can't deny it.

IN fact, I'm one of those in these secret groups...I'm in charge of hypnotic memory replacement.

*Huntsman hops onto his private Space Shuttle and launches himself to the secret base on the far side of the moon*

You too? Cool, which evil group bent on world domination do you belong to?

I've thrown my hat in with the evil lizard men from beyond Pluto, though I guess due to recent shake ups in the astronomy world they will need to change their name to 'Evil Lizard Men Form Beyond Neptune'.

They haven't got a secret base yet, but the did build a theme park in the upper atmosphere of Jupiter. It's better the Disney, it's got an orgynasium.

Gravy · 13th September 2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by parmanides

This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

At which level of Freemasonry will I be able to exercise this mind-control? I would like to use it to make ladies disrobe. And if the societies you speak of were secret, you wouldn't know about them or their techniques, would you, my great big Parma ham? If I could tell you what I know about a particular organization, it would make you permanently incontinent. Deny that.

Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason.

Arkan_Wolfshade · 13th September 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

At which level of Freemasonry will I be able to exercise this mind-control? I would like to use it to make ladies disrobe. And if the societies you speak of were secret, you wouldn't know about them or their techniques, would you, my great big Parma ham? If I could tell you what I know about a particular organization, it would make you permanently incontinent. Deny that.

Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason.

Just don't whistle while you pee.

Oliver · 13th September 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

According to your definition i could say, that the whole american
democratic system meets your statement. But do we know it? Are
there secret societies, or are they inventions of the "cattle" because
they need an explanation about why some are rich and some not.

Psiload · 13th September 2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by parmanides

Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies.

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

It took you nine months to post... that?

Spindrift · 13th September 2006, 01:23 PM

Please don't bash parmanides so much.

After all he is risking his own life here by exposing the secret cabal. Surely if they can do those complex conspiracies, they can trace his IP and find him and snuff him out. Just like they did with all the rest of the people exposing the conspiracies.

Regnad Kcin · 13th September 2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

...Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason.

Jason?

Originally Posted by Psiload

It took you nine months to post... that?

What have I missed about this guy?

Psiload · 13th September 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

What have I missed about this guy?

Apparently, not much... being that was his(?) first post despite having registered on the forum nearly a year ago.

The_Fire · 13th September 2006, 01:47 PM

egads. And he's from my generation?!

Gravy · 13th September 2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Jason?

What have I missed about this guy?

Just joking. The OP could easily have come from the frightened fingers of Jason Bermas, though.
Mind control, Freemasonry, sheeple, wealth, the "truth."

Spindrift · 13th September 2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by The_Fire

egads. And he's from my generation?!

And he's got a birthday coming up on the 28th.

Happy 0x20th Birthday!

Skeptic Guy · 13th September 2006, 02:02 PM

As a card carrying Illuminati, I just want to let you wacky Skull and Crossbone and Free Mason members know that we do have a special program that allows you to use our secret club house when you are visiting from out of town. Please note, however, that if you are going to use the Jacuzzi we ask that you take it easy at the open bar. Some members do indulge a bit too much and things can get a little crazy in the hot tub. Don't ask me what can happen when George W. stops by.

Just thought you should know.

Spindrift · 13th September 2006, 02:27 PM

One last word on this:

tubalcane

stateofgrace · 13th September 2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by parmanides

By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.

Taking aside your silly first paragraph. Could you define exactly who or what are "cattle"?

Am I to assume that by cattle you mean, normal working individuals, with families and responsibilities? You know people that actually contribute something to society and actually add to the society that you choose to condemn.

Funny thing is I always find that those that are opposed to society are not actually part of it and contribute very little.

Anyway have fun not contributing, not being part of and condemning the cattle that built up the society, you mock.

MarkyX · 13th September 2006, 03:06 PM

T.A.M. · 13th September 2006, 05:09 PM

They do not contribute because most of them are social outcasts, stuck to their computers where anonymity can grant them the chance to interact without judgement. The trouble is, the reason they can't function in the real world comes out in their activities on line. They just don't like anyone, so they will just spend their time whining about the evil world, rather than going out and making a difference.

13th September 2006, 10:30 AM	#1
parmanides Scholar Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 86	Deny this Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker.
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13th September 2006, 10:36 AM	#3
chipmunk stew The Spikey Mace of Love and Mercy Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SE PA Posts: 7,465	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. What are these techniques? How did you first realize they were being employed against you? (Or are you one of those employing them?) How does one escape their effects? Is there anything we can do about this power structure? edit: Oh yeah. Welcome.
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13th September 2006, 10:38 AM	#4
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. Please cite some objective, corroboratable examples. Originally Posted by parmanides The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and Please cite at least one specific, corroboratable example of this occurring. Originally Posted by parmanides employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. Please cite one, or more, specific examples of these techniques. Originally Posted by parmanides By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. Please explain why people would not be aware of these techniques (which I assume you have provided specific examples above per my request).
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13th September 2006, 10:38 AM	#5
Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,208	Fine. I deny it. Unless you can provide... proof. And welcome to the forum.
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13th September 2006, 10:39 AM	#6
TK0001 Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 595	"Deny this" Done. Anything else? ETA: dammit regnad!!@!#
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13th September 2006, 10:35 AM	#2
mortimer NWO Janitor Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,475	To what "tried and trusted group psychology techniques" are you referring? And how did you escape from them yourself?

13th September 2006, 10:49 AM	#8
Peephole Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,245	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. So why has not a single reputable historian ever reported the existence and influence of such a powerful group?
Peephole Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,245	Last edited by Peephole; 13th September 2006 at 10:58 AM.

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Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	"Deny this" ? Ooooh, you're going to make alot of friends here!

13th September 2006, 10:51 AM	#10
Hellbound Abiogenic Spongiform Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a handbasket Posts: 8,919	I can't deny it. IN fact, I'm one of those in these secret groups...I'm in charge of hypnotic memory replacement. I have to do a touch up job on another forum poster, so we'll just add parminides to the "to do" list and get right on it. Can't have that troof get out, can we? Huntsman hops onto his private Space Shuttle and launches himself to the secret base on the far side of the moon

13th September 2006, 10:53 AM	#11
G-K-4 Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 365	Originally Posted by parmanides ...The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility... Adding a possibility? Is the conspiracy view documenting observable human behavior, in a contribution to the social sciences. Or is the conspiracy view putting forward an inventive speculation? Originally Posted by parmanides ...that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure... A structure? Only one? Is this a formal organization, with formal membership and meetings, etcetera? Or is it a more like a network of individuals or families? Or is there no structure at all, just a broad group of people who cooperate in their common interest when they can, leave each other alone when they can't, and fight each other when they have to? What is this structure's scope? Is it local, national, regional, global? Are there many structures? How do they interact? Originally Posted by parmanides ...and identity.... As with structure, what is this identity? Is there only one? Do other identities, such as nationality, language, religion, race, sex, gender, family-membership, etcetera, ever trump it? Are there ever clashes?
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13th September 2006, 11:08 AM	#12
GlennB Jellied eel and offal fancier Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arcadia Posts: 8,931	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. I wouldn't argue against a single word that you have said up there. But to "arrange" 9/11 to pursue some idealogical goal would require a *method*. This is not a relatively simple Kristallnacht we're talking about here. If you're suggesting it was "arranged", what would be the method? Welcome

13th September 2006, 11:10 AM	#13
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	For the last time: Evidence FIRST....THEN conclusion.
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13th September 2006, 11:16 AM	#14
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Deny this: Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly conned the gullible into believe the most elaborate and complex conspiritorial causes for incidents, policies and actions in an elaborate effort to focus attention away from the fact that "*** happens"...knowing that if people believed that "* happens" they would lose their fear of the rich, oligarchs and demand that they either stop *** from happening or give up power. You, my friend, have been had.
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13th September 2006, 11:19 AM	#15
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. I don't discount what you're saying, although I'm more in the camp that there are secret wars/rival conspiratorial factions rather than that there is one unified superelite. A lot of these groups can be named and aren't so secret, others, more so. For example, the elite managers of global herion distribution aren't well known, although to accomplish their goals they need to be run by very smart people at the top engaged in a web of geopolitics. In contrast, elite members of the chinese communist party are probably not hard to identify, and are presiding over some of the greatest wealth increase/wealth transference the world has known. For all intents and purposes, they seem to run China much like you say: conspiratorially protecting each others' interests and coercing mass compiance using psychological techniques and control of mass media. ETA: And as someone else pointed out, a lot of the time, ***** happens.
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13th September 2006, 11:22 AM	#17
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by Dave1001 I don't discount what you're saying, although I'm more in the camp that there are secret wars/rival conspiratorial factions rather than that there is one unified superelite. A lot of these groups can be named and aren't so secret, others, more so. For example, the elite managers of global herion distribution aren't well known, although to accomplish their goals they need to be run by very smart people at the top engaged in a web of geopolitics. In contrast, elite members of the chinese communist party are probably not hard to identify, and are presiding over some of the greatest wealth increase/wealth transference the world has known. For all intents and purposes, they seem to run China much like you say: conspiratorially protecting each others' interests and coercing mass compiance using psychological techniques and control of mass media. I will bet you that Law enforcement has a pretty good idea who runs the Heroin trade and how...catching them and making a case (or preventing them from bribing and influencing government officials) is a much harder matter. But, I feel pretty confident in asserting that the players are known to people who investigate and follow the trade.
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13th September 2006, 11:25 AM	#18
David Wong Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,768	Wait, is this person posting about 9/11 or just general Illuminati conspiracies in general? If it's the former than his "logical possibility" involves doing something that would be physically impossible (performing a hoax on a 9/11 scale without anyone leaking it). But since this is just the general "Conspiracy" forum I didn't know if he was referring to that.

13th September 2006, 11:26 AM	#19
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	Originally Posted by parmanides This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. What evidence do you have that this is the truth of freemasonry? If you are simply going to state an argument "A is true, therefore A is true," I doubt you'll find much support here.
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13th September 2006, 11:56 AM	#20
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. yes Originally Posted by parmanides The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. Bullshaite. If this was all the CTers were trying to say, we would never even hear from them, much more have to deal with them....what godamn crap this statement is... The CTers take this hypothesis, and from it try to convince everyone through cherry picked quotes, half truths, and speculation, that this is the case for all things, 9/11, JFK, Aliens, blah blah blah...SO THE ABOVE QUOTE IS FAR FROM ALL THE CONSIPRACY VIEW SIMPLY ADDS. Originally Posted by parmanides This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. For those who believe that these societies are anything more than "wealthy" fraternities and boys clubs, i suppose so... Originally Posted by parmanides By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. and so that we wouldn't dare seperate you from the rest of the CT swine, you complete your statement with an insult...thanks ASSF&*KER... TAM

13th September 2006, 12:04 PM	#21
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,758	Originally Posted by Loss Leader If you are simply going to state an argument "A is true, therefore A is true," I doubt you'll find much support here. It's more than that, though, isn't it? He's saying that A is true, therefore A is true, and since they are secret we can't disprove it. Well, Mr. permanides, here's my assertion to you: All the world's leaders are being controlled by chips implanted in their brains by viscious overlords from the planet Mizar-5, who monitor the Earth's events from their secret cloaked space stations around our planet. You are oblivious to this as a steer is oblivious to the intentions of the meat packer. Is there any substantive difference in what I said and what you said?

13th September 2006, 12:22 PM	#22
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,380	Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What do you think you're doing? Shut up wit da secrets already!
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13th September 2006, 12:26 PM	#23
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by alfaniner Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What do you think you're doing? Shut up wit da secrets already! Didn't you used to have a little dancing blue thing for an Icon? I miss it.
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13th September 2006, 12:35 PM	#24
Sword_Of_Truth Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 11,497	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people Like Osama Bin Laden? Estimated worth in the hundreds of millions. have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people Such as 19 impressionable young men with limited flying skills? (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The massive propaganda victory of knocking over the most famous office towers in the world would grant a certain amount of power.The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This group would be called "Al-Queada". This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. We are tragically aware of Osama's employment of these techniques. I agree with the above statement and see no logical reason to deny it.

13th September 2006, 12:52 PM	#25
PopeTom Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 347	Originally Posted by Huntsman I can't deny it. IN fact, I'm one of those in these secret groups...I'm in charge of hypnotic memory replacement. Huntsman hops onto his private Space Shuttle and launches himself to the secret base on the far side of the moon You too? Cool, which evil group bent on world domination do you belong to? I've thrown my hat in with the evil lizard men from beyond Pluto, though I guess due to recent shake ups in the astronomy world they will need to change their name to 'Evil Lizard Men Form Beyond Neptune'. They haven't got a secret base yet, but the did build a theme park in the upper atmosphere of Jupiter. It's better the Disney, it's got an orgynasium.
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13th September 2006, 01:10 PM	#26
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by parmanides This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. At which level of Freemasonry will I be able to exercise this mind-control? I would like to use it to make ladies disrobe. And if the societies you speak of were secret, you wouldn't know about them or their techniques, would you, my great big Parma ham? If I could tell you what I know about a particular organization, it would make you permanently incontinent. Deny that. Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason.
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13th September 2006, 01:11 PM	#27
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by Gravy At which level of Freemasonry will I be able to exercise this mind-control? I would like to use it to make ladies disrobe. And if the societies you speak of were secret, you wouldn't know about them or their techniques, would you, my great big Parma ham? If I could tell you what I know about a particular organization, it would make you permanently incontinent. Deny that. Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason. Just don't whistle while you pee.
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13th September 2006, 01:18 PM	#28
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. According to your definition i could say, that the whole american democratic system meets your statement. But do we know it? Are there secret societies, or are they inventions of the "cattle" because they need an explanation about why some are rich and some not.

13th September 2006, 01:22 PM	#29
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,105	Originally Posted by parmanides Throughout history, rich and influential people have repeatedly sacrificed their ‘own’ people (whatever that means) for gain in money and power. The ‘conspiracy’ view simply adds the logical possibility that these people, recognizing their common interest, have formed a structure and identity, and employ tried and trusted group psychology techniques to increase and maintain that interest. This is the truth (above and beyond all the nonsense that gets spoken) of high-level freemasonry and secret societies. By definition, most of the people reading this (especially those who feel indignation) are no more aware of these techniques than are cattle of the intentions of a meat-worker. It took you nine months to post... that?
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13th September 2006, 01:23 PM	#30
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,447	Please don't bash parmanides so much. After all he is risking his own life here by exposing the secret cabal. Surely if they can do those complex conspiracies, they can trace his IP and find him and snuff him out. Just like they did with all the rest of the people exposing the conspiracies.

13th September 2006, 01:26 PM	#31
Regnad Kcin Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The ol' Same place Posts: 6,208	Originally Posted by Gravy ...Oh, and welcome to the forum, Jason. Jason? Originally Posted by Psiload It took you nine months to post... that? What have I missed about this guy?
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13th September 2006, 01:37 PM	#32
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,105	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin What have I missed about this guy? Apparently, not much... being that was his(?) first post despite having registered on the forum nearly a year ago.
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13th September 2006, 01:47 PM	#33
The_Fire Unimpressed Female Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 8th level of Hell - Maleborgia Posts: 3,037	egads. And he's from my generation?!
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13th September 2006, 02:00 PM	#34
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Jason? What have I missed about this guy? Just joking. The OP could easily have come from the frightened fingers of Jason Bermas, though. Mind control, Freemasonry, sheeple, wealth, the "truth."
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13th September 2006, 02:01 PM	#35
Spindrift Enturbulator Extraordinaire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 8,447	Originally Posted by The_Fire egads. And he's from my generation?! And he's got a birthday coming up on the 28th. Happy 0x20th Birthday!

13th September 2006, 02:02 PM	#36
Skeptic Guy Raccoon Death Squad Leader Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Southeast of Disorder Posts: 6,996	As a card carrying Illuminati, I just want to let you wacky Skull and Crossbone and Free Mason members know that we do have a special program that allows you to use our secret club house when you are visiting from out of town. Please note, however, that if you are going to use the Jacuzzi we ask that you take it easy at the open bar. Some members do indulge a bit too much and things can get a little crazy in the hot tub. Don't ask me what can happen when George W. stops by. Just thought you should know.
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