magic and stealing

firecoins · 27th September 2006, 04:20 PM

what exactly consitutes stealing? Most of the time doing an effect that is published is acceptable. However when other magicians perform the published effect and in particularly well know pro magicians is it acceptable to still perform the effect?

Of course...it shows a lack originality I suppose.

Stray Cat · 28th September 2006, 05:06 AM

Personally I would say that stealing is when you don't have permission to perform the trick.

If you can buy the trick from a magic dealer or it has been published in a book/video etc, you can perform it as you are being given permission by the act of purchasing the 'secret'

To me stealing is when you go and watch another magician and then simply copy in your own act what you have seen him/her do.

To clarify: If you see someone performing a standard linking rings routine and you then copy it, you are not stealing, you are simply being as boring as the magician you are copying. If you personalise it so it is no longer 'standard' then you are inspiring other's and you will find that other's will steal your ideas.

It is a tricky subject and I think that the morals of a lot of magicians leave a lot to be desired. For myself I always try to develop my own tricks and make my own props to be as original as possible but this does not exclude me from performing the needle through arm or silk through microphone stand or any number of card effects I have learned from DVD's and books and I do take time to personalise tricks I've learned so that I'm not just parroting the 'script' that comes with them and I let people know where and who my inspirations come from.

Josh Redstone · 28th September 2006, 09:11 AM

I tend to think of magic in the same way I think of other art forms, in that there are public domain ideas and routines which have been done for hundreds of years that no one will mind you doing, and then there are original effects, which I personally think you should not perform unless you have bought the trick, or been shown how to do it/given permission to perform in by the creator of the trick.

But even with public domain type stuff, it's still good if you can take a routine and make it your own, it shows that you care about what you do.

rebecca · 28th September 2006, 09:26 AM

A good performer watches his competitors, steals the good stuff and drops the rest.

27th September 2006, 04:20 PM	#1
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,065	magic and stealing what exactly consitutes stealing? Most of the time doing an effect that is published is acceptable. However when other magicians perform the published effect and in particularly well know pro magicians is it acceptable to still perform the effect? Of course...it shows a lack originality I suppose.
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28th September 2006, 09:11 AM	#3
Josh Redstone Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 205	I tend to think of magic in the same way I think of other art forms, in that there are public domain ideas and routines which have been done for hundreds of years that no one will mind you doing, and then there are original effects, which I personally think you should not perform unless you have bought the trick, or been shown how to do it/given permission to perform in by the creator of the trick. But even with public domain type stuff, it's still good if you can take a routine and make it your own, it shows that you care about what you do.
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28th September 2006, 05:06 AM	#2
Stray Cat Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Land That Time Forgot Posts: 670	Personally I would say that stealing is when you don't have permission to perform the trick. If you can buy the trick from a magic dealer or it has been published in a book/video etc, you can perform it as you are being given permission by the act of purchasing the 'secret' To me stealing is when you go and watch another magician and then simply copy in your own act what you have seen him/her do. To clarify: If you see someone performing a standard linking rings routine and you then copy it, you are not stealing, you are simply being as boring as the magician you are copying. If you personalise it so it is no longer 'standard' then you are inspiring other's and you will find that other's will steal your ideas. It is a tricky subject and I think that the morals of a lot of magicians leave a lot to be desired. For myself I always try to develop my own tricks and make my own props to be as original as possible but this does not exclude me from performing the needle through arm or silk through microphone stand or any number of card effects I have learned from DVD's and books and I do take time to personalise tricks I've learned so that I'm not just parroting the 'script' that comes with them and I let people know where and who my inspirations come from.

28th September 2006, 09:26 AM	#4
rebecca Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: some other spring Posts: 6,852	A good performer watches his competitors, steals the good stuff and drops the rest.