How about something other than 9/11? Was Mary Surat Guilty?

CptColumbo · 27th September 2006, 07:47 PM

I was just reading Manhunt, and found yet another account of the plot to assassinate Lincoln. Lincoln is one of my favorite historical figures, and I've read many biographies about him. When it comes to the conspiracy to kill him, some underplay Mary Surat's involvement, while others believe she was intimately involved. One book Booth, a historical novel told from John Surat's perspective, made JWB and Mary lovers. IMO it's hard to believe that she was completely ignorant of the plot. Of course, their was a mob mentality in the aftermath of the assassination and no assassin to hang, so in the heat of the moment some innocent actions may have been overblown. However, her most damning action was when she dropped off a cache for JWB and the others at her tavern in Maryland.

Just wanted to discuss something other than 9/11.

firecoins · 27th September 2006, 07:55 PM

I think Lincoln was shot by the badge man.

Gravy · 27th September 2006, 07:57 PM

Oh, i think she dunnit. She seems to have been romanticized quite a bit after her death, which perhaps is not unusual for women of that era who committed heinous crimes and/or were executed. IIRC the evidence against her was damning, and didn't Booth go to her place immediately after the assassination?

defaultdotxbe · 27th September 2006, 07:58 PM

lincoln was killed by kennedy, because coincidences prove conspiracy

firecoins · 27th September 2006, 07:59 PM

that's right. I aam awaiting Oliver Stone's flick on this and 3 films about the civil war.

Alareth · 27th September 2006, 07:59 PM

Does anyone here remember those "Kennedy Pennies"

It was a penny with a small shillouette of JFK engraved on it and glued to at card listing all the "Coincidences" between the two assasinations.

I remember my brother had one in the mid 70's

Gravy · 27th September 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Alareth

Does anyone here remember those "Kennedy Pennies"

It was a penny with a small shillouette of JFK engraved on it and glued to at card listing all the "Coincidences" between the two assasinations.

I remember my brother had one in the mid 70's

Freaky. I need some of those to scatter around before my debate with Fetzer.

CptColumbo · 27th September 2006, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Oh, i think she dunnit. She seems to have been romanticized quite a bit after her death, which perhaps is not unusual for women of that era who committed heinous crimes and/or were executed. IIRC the evidence against her was damning, and didn't Booth go to her place immediately after the assassination?

He went to her tavern in Suratsville, Maryland. Where she left a cache of weapons and supplies.

Gravy · 27th September 2006, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by CptColumbo

He went to her tavern in Suratsville, Maryland. Where she left a cache of weapons and supplies.

I've always said that if a Surat doesn't know what's happening in Suratsville, they oughta swing.

CptColumbo · 27th September 2006, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I've always said that if a Surat doesn't know what's happening in Suratsville, they oughta swing.

Apparently it was called Suratsville, because they had the only bulding in town.

Alareth · 27th September 2006, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Freaky. I need some of those to scatter around before my debate with Fetzer.

I found an example, bless the internet.

http://tinyurl.com/rwrdc

Gravy · 27th September 2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by Alareth

I found an example, bless the internet.

http://tinyurl.com/rwrdc

Thanks, I think. What a horribly tacky thing. I'm going to collect a bunch of them.

27th September 2006, 07:47 PM	#1
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,149	How about something other than 9/11? Was Mary Surat Guilty? I was just reading Manhunt, and found yet another account of the plot to assassinate Lincoln. Lincoln is one of my favorite historical figures, and I've read many biographies about him. When it comes to the conspiracy to kill him, some underplay Mary Surat's involvement, while others believe she was intimately involved. One book Booth, a historical novel told from John Surat's perspective, made JWB and Mary lovers. IMO it's hard to believe that she was completely ignorant of the plot. Of course, their was a mob mentality in the aftermath of the assassination and no assassin to hang, so in the heat of the moment some innocent actions may have been overblown. However, her most damning action was when she dropped off a cache for JWB and the others at her tavern in Maryland. Just wanted to discuss something other than 9/11.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

27th September 2006, 07:55 PM	#2
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,191	I think Lincoln was shot by the badge man.
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27th September 2006, 07:57 PM	#3
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Oh, i think she dunnit. She seems to have been romanticized quite a bit after her death, which perhaps is not unusual for women of that era who committed heinous crimes and/or were executed. IIRC the evidence against her was damning, and didn't Booth go to her place immediately after the assassination?
	__________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links

27th September 2006, 07:58 PM	#4
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	lincoln was killed by kennedy, because coincidences prove conspiracy
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27th September 2006, 07:59 PM	#5
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,191	that's right. I aam awaiting Oliver Stone's flick on this and 3 films about the civil war.
	__________________ NY Paramedic, skeptic, 9/11/01 Reality-ist. I am both right wing nut and left wing lunatic. Deal with it.

27th September 2006, 07:59 PM	#6
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,801	Does anyone here remember those "Kennedy Pennies" It was a penny with a small shillouette of JFK engraved on it and glued to at card listing all the "Coincidences" between the two assasinations. I remember my brother had one in the mid 70's
	__________________ Pixelated Reality \| Alareth Does Art! Light travels faster than sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak

27th September 2006, 08:05 PM	#7
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Alareth Does anyone here remember those "Kennedy Pennies" It was a penny with a small shillouette of JFK engraved on it and glued to at card listing all the "Coincidences" between the two assasinations. I remember my brother had one in the mid 70's Freaky. I need some of those to scatter around before my debate with Fetzer.
	__________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links

27th September 2006, 08:06 PM	#8
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,149	Originally Posted by Gravy Oh, i think she dunnit. She seems to have been romanticized quite a bit after her death, which perhaps is not unusual for women of that era who committed heinous crimes and/or were executed. IIRC the evidence against her was damning, and didn't Booth go to her place immediately after the assassination? He went to her tavern in Suratsville, Maryland. Where she left a cache of weapons and supplies.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

27th September 2006, 08:08 PM	#9
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by CptColumbo He went to her tavern in Suratsville, Maryland. Where she left a cache of weapons and supplies. I've always said that if a Surat doesn't know what's happening in Suratsville, they oughta swing.
	__________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links

27th September 2006, 08:12 PM	#10
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,149	Originally Posted by Gravy I've always said that if a Surat doesn't know what's happening in Suratsville, they oughta swing. Apparently it was called Suratsville, because they had the only bulding in town.
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling

27th September 2006, 11:25 PM	#11
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,801	Originally Posted by Gravy Freaky. I need some of those to scatter around before my debate with Fetzer. I found an example, bless the internet. http://tinyurl.com/rwrdc
	__________________ Pixelated Reality \| Alareth Does Art! Light travels faster than sound, which is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak

27th September 2006, 11:43 PM	#12
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Alareth I found an example, bless the internet. http://tinyurl.com/rwrdc Thanks, I think. What a horribly tacky thing. I'm going to collect a bunch of them.
	__________________ "Please, keep your chops cool and don’t overblow.” –Freddie Hubbard What's the Harm?........Stop Sylvia Browne........My 9/11 links