Jesus Camp: the movie

saizai · 1st October 2006, 11:48 PM

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3)

I'll_buy_that · 2nd October 2006, 10:23 AM

That's scary. at which point are bombs strapped onto these kids?

give these kids 10-15 years and it could be really scary.

pgwenthold · 2nd October 2006, 10:31 AM

There was a thread on this last spring sometime - I started it after I heard about it on the Rachel Maddow Show.

The Atheist · 3rd October 2006, 02:45 AM

But, hang on, that's only a video, do you have proof that the film, the camps, or even the christians exist?

Which Jesus are they talking about? Jesus X, Jesus Y or a different Jesus altogether? Which god? Where is Palestine? Does it really exist? Is it just a figment of my imagination? Are you, saizai?

Cake and eating it...

supercorgi · 3rd October 2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by saizai

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3)

Scary. Get 'em young and brainwash them. No don't think for yourself! It's dangerous! Live your life according to what we tell you!

Any parents sending their kids to this camp ought to be arrested for child abuse.

ponderingturtle · 3rd October 2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

But, hang on, that's only a video, do you have proof that the film, the camps, or even the christians exist?

Which Jesus are they talking about? Jesus X, Jesus Y or a different Jesus altogether? Which god? Where is Palestine? Does it really exist? Is it just a figment of my imagination? Are you, saizai?

My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus.

ponderingturtle · 3rd October 2006, 04:51 PM

Well watching the video's there I learned kids need less sezure medication and more handgrenades

saizai · 3rd October 2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus.

Oh, he'd be drunk and bitter after seeing them.

I thought I remember something about teaching people to 'love thy neighbor' and all that.

The Atheist · 3rd October 2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus.

Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

JamesDillon · 3rd October 2006, 09:00 PM

I saw this a couple of weeks ago, and it is really creepy. Plenty of evolution and global warming denial, speaking in tongues, and liberal bashing, but the worst parts are the brainwashed little 9 year old girl going up to people to pass out gospel tracts. All in all a most unsettling experience.

icantlogoff · 4th October 2006, 08:33 AM

I am gutted i can't see this movie. There doesn't appear to be any showings in the TN area. I guess i will have to wait until it gets to DVD

Tanstaafl · 4th October 2006, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by saizai

http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3)

Wow, thanks for the heads up. I'll at least look at whatever video clips I can find online at home (I don't want to push the envelope here at work too much!) but I'd really like to see the whole film if I can find an opportunity.

They're worried this film makes them look scary? These people are extemely scary.

Cleon · 4th October 2006, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus.

Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind.

zakur · 4th October 2006, 05:14 PM

I wonder if they ride jesus horses at Jesus Camp.

ponderingturtle · 5th October 2006, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind.

Looks like someone else knows the true meaning of tentacle

Cleon · 5th October 2006, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Looks like someone else knows the true meaning of tentacle

Oh, yes indeed, but I also have plans to build my very own hubjo.

Mercutio · 6th October 2006, 08:13 AM

I saw this movie yesterday. A friend of mine, a soldier who has served two tours of combat duty, said it was the most frightening thing he has ever seen.

I think it will be seen as two completely different movies. It will be seen as scary by non charismatic evangelical christians, but as a powerfully affirming testament to the power of the holy spirit by those within the movement. Shots of 8-10-yr-old kids in tears, on their knees, trembling and speaking in tongues, is either evidence of brainwashing or evidence of the power of god.

The preacher who was the main focus, and the parents of the kids who were featured, were interviewed (not in the movie, but about the movie) and were mostly (but not completely) happy with the way they were portrayed, and with how the movement was portrayed. So... as frightening as this movie is to some, it is a testament to how different world views may be.

pgwenthold · 6th October 2006, 08:22 AM

Well, if you ask an al queda operative, they will tell you that terrorist training camps are a good thing, too.

Mercutio · 6th October 2006, 08:26 AM

Actually, the preacher-woman first tries to scare us with the idea that [paraphrasing] "little muslim kids are being taught to be soldiers", and then instead of saying that we should be different, says we need to do the same thing with little xian kids.

Them = bad, us = good.

Standard fare.

pgwenthold · 6th October 2006, 08:55 AM

No disagreement, there. In fact, my al queada reference was pretty much intentional in that regard.

Foster Zygote · 6th October 2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind.

Chocolate Jesus by Tom Waits

Don't go to church on sunday
Don't get on my knees to pray
Don't memorize the books of the Bible
I got my own special way
But I know Jesus loves me
Maybe just a little bit more

I fall on my knees every sunday
At Zerelda Lee's candy store

Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Make me feel good inside
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Keep me satisfied

Well I don't want no Abba Zabba
Don't want no Almond Joy
There ain't nothing better
Suitable for this boy
Well it's the only thing
That can pick me up
Better than a cup of gold
See only a chocolate Jesus
Can satisfy my soul

(solo)
When the weather gets rough
And its whiskey in the shade
It's best to wrap your savior
Up in cellophane
He flows like the big muddy
But that's ok
Pour him over ice cream
For a nice parfait

Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Good enough for me
Got to be a chocolate jesus
Good enough for me

Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus
Make me feel good inside
Got to be a chocolate Jesus
Keep me satisfied

Dave1001 · 6th October 2006, 03:44 PM

There's nothing scary about speaking in tongues, talking about how jesus loves a person, handing out bible tracts, etc. It's a way for these ordinary folks to feel special, without the technocratic competency hierarchies the rest of us nontransparently use to bolster our feelings of self-worth.

My only problem is that it's attached to some very non-utilitarian behavior.

I think there should be accessible to these folks counterhierarchies to technocratic elites other than ones that involve voting against stuff like stem cell research or legal abortion. That's it. Going beyond that is just sneering at the less intelligent, or the less hierarchically advantaged.

saizai · 7th October 2006, 08:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWs_J6Bjzs&NR

BTW: how do you do the nifty "show the clip inline here" thing?

Take a look at the other clips from that person - the documentary bits are interesting at the least.

RandFan · 7th October 2006, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

The power of faith.

fuelair · 8th October 2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

"And we shall answer with the machine weapon and the FAE and upon thee our cluster bombs will scatter thy parts and appurtenances. Yay, unto death shalt they be scattered." Someone Else.

fuelair · 8th October 2006, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by zakur

I wonder if they ride jesus horses at Jesus Camp.

Sort of - they know the horses in the biblical sense.

RandFan · 8th October 2006, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Sort of - they know the horses in the biblical sense.

Sounds awfully dangerous. How do you know a T-Rex in the biblical sense? Very carefully apparently.

brodski · 8th October 2006, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by saizai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWs_J6Bjzs&NR

BTW: how do you do the nifty "show the clip inline here" thing?

Take a look at the other clips from that person - the documentary bits are interesting at the least.

You take the video reference number ( FMWs_J6Bjzs&NR for the link you provided) and place it between [ yt ] [/ yt] tags (without the spaces)

like this

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

c4ts · 8th October 2006, 01:46 PM

I see them talk about things like battle and soldiers, but do you ever see them undergo any actual training? Do these groups teach the kids how to make bombs and handle weapons? Or is it all talk and no show? Because battle is starting to look more like a metaphor for loud and obnoxious behavior than actual fighting.

c4ts · 8th October 2006, 02:51 PM

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MrFrankZito · 8th October 2006, 06:22 PM

Luckily, I live near NYC. So, even if the film gets a really limited release, I'm sure I'll still have the opportunity to see it.

I'm going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight, but I'm sure this film is going to be infinitely more scary.

Fundamentalists, no matter what their creed, are terrifying.

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Dave1001 · 8th October 2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by MrFrankZito

Luckily, I live near NYC. So, even if the film gets a really limited release, I'm sure I'll still have the opportunity to see it.

I'm going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight, but I'm sure this film is going to be infinitely more scary.

Fundamentalists, no matter what their creed, are terrifying.

_______________________

My Case Against God

Jesus Camp is playing in NYC at the big AMC Times Square movie theatre. I saw it last weekend: it's interesting.

hellaeon · 8th October 2006, 07:04 PM

depressing initially, but I would still like to see it and see if it can make me despise religion any more then I already do.

saizai · 10th October 2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by c4ts

I see them talk about things like battle and soldiers, but do you ever see them undergo any actual training? Do these groups teach the kids how to make bombs and handle weapons? Or is it all talk and no show? Because battle is starting to look more like a metaphor for loud and obnoxious behavior than actual fighting.

I think they're talking more about a "Good vs EVIL!" battle. Where they are .... commanders? in the chess game between god and satan.

It seems a bit odd to claim that you are special and not just a manipulated pawn, if you want to claim that that is real.

But then, the whole concept of seriously believing in literal, actual demons and satanic involvement in the world makes me want to hide.

It's sort of like the whole "gay/jew/liberal/whatever/whatever CONSPIRACY!!!!". Why the hell do I never get the memos?

logic · 11th October 2006, 09:29 AM

It was quite disturbing.

There’s also a transcript (very short) available on MSNBC when Scarborough Country aired the clip.

Not much different from the Muslim textbooks though.

grayman · 11th October 2006, 09:56 AM

The history of organized religion in seven words: My god can beat up your god.

logic · 11th October 2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by grayman

The history of organized religion in seven words: My god can beat up your god.

yeah, but mine is much more attractive.

bluess · 11th October 2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by logic

yeah, but mine is much more attractive.

Until she lost her arms in that never-to-be-forgotten full-throttle smack-down with Kali.

fuelair · 22nd October 2006, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by bluess

Until she lost her arms in that never-to-be-forgotten full-throttle smack-down with Kali.

There is a new childrens' book introducing the Hindu pantheon with really cute pictue of Ganesh (?) on cover - it includes Kali. I am looking real forward to seeing that page - even if I have to buy the book to do so!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Little-Book-Hi...005649?ie=UTF8

information only - not trying to advertise!

Ryokan · 22nd October 2006, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by saizai

It's sort of like the whole "gay/jew/liberal/whatever/whatever CONSPIRACY!!!!". Why the hell do I never get the memos?

Only gay Jewish liberals get the memos. If you're only one or two of those, you're just a pawn of the conspirators.

1st October 2006, 11:48 PM	#1
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,374	Jesus Camp: the movie http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3)
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2nd October 2006, 10:23 AM	#2
I'll_buy_that Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 384	That's scary. at which point are bombs strapped onto these kids? give these kids 10-15 years and it could be really scary.
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2nd October 2006, 10:31 AM	#3
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,068	There was a thread on this last spring sometime - I started it after I heard about it on the Rachel Maddow Show.
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3rd October 2006, 02:45 AM	#4
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	But, hang on, that's only a video, do you have proof that the film, the camps, or even the christians exist? Which Jesus are they talking about? Jesus X, Jesus Y or a different Jesus altogether? Which god? Where is Palestine? Does it really exist? Is it just a figment of my imagination? Are you, saizai? Cake and eating it...
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3rd October 2006, 07:29 PM	#8
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,374	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus. Oh, he'd be drunk and bitter after seeing them. I thought I remember something about teaching people to 'love thy neighbor' and all that.
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3rd October 2006, 10:27 AM	#5
supercorgi Dog Everlasting Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: State of Confusion, Massachusetts, USA Posts: 2,525	Originally Posted by saizai http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3) Scary. Get 'em young and brainwash them. No don't think for yourself! It's dangerous! Live your life according to what we tell you! Any parents sending their kids to this camp ought to be arrested for child abuse.
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3rd October 2006, 01:29 PM	#6
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,424	Originally Posted by The Atheist But, hang on, that's only a video, do you have proof that the film, the camps, or even the christians exist? Which Jesus are they talking about? Jesus X, Jesus Y or a different Jesus altogether? Which god? Where is Palestine? Does it really exist? Is it just a figment of my imagination? Are you, saizai? My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus.

3rd October 2006, 04:51 PM	#7
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,424	Well watching the video's there I learned kids need less sezure medication and more handgrenades

3rd October 2006, 08:57 PM	#9
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus. Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34
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3rd October 2006, 09:00 PM	#10
JamesDillon Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,631	I saw this a couple of weeks ago, and it is really creepy. Plenty of evolution and global warming denial, speaking in tongues, and liberal bashing, but the worst parts are the brainwashed little 9 year old girl going up to people to pass out gospel tracts. All in all a most unsettling experience.
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4th October 2006, 08:33 AM	#11
icantlogoff Scholar Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 78	I am gutted i can't see this movie. There doesn't appear to be any showings in the TN area. I guess i will have to wait until it gets to DVD
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4th October 2006, 10:41 AM	#12
Tanstaafl Unindicted Co-conspirator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by saizai http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/ -> videos (there're 3) Wow, thanks for the heads up. I'll at least look at whatever video clips I can find online at home (I don't want to push the envelope here at work too much!) but I'd really like to see the whole film if I can find an opportunity. They're worried this film makes them look scary? These people are extemely scary.
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4th October 2006, 03:46 PM	#13
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,514	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle My guess would be Aryan Jesus or jihad Jesus, clearly not drunk and bitter Jesus. Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind.
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4th October 2006, 05:14 PM	#14
zakur Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 3,265	I wonder if they ride jesus horses at Jesus Camp.
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5th October 2006, 06:55 AM	#15
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,424	Originally Posted by Cleon Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind. Looks like someone else knows the true meaning of tentacle

5th October 2006, 08:41 AM	#16
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,514	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Looks like someone else knows the true meaning of tentacle Oh, yes indeed, but I also have plans to build my very own hubjo.
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6th October 2006, 08:13 AM	#17
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,325	I saw this movie yesterday. A friend of mine, a soldier who has served two tours of combat duty, said it was the most frightening thing he has ever seen. I think it will be seen as two completely different movies. It will be seen as scary by non charismatic evangelical christians, but as a powerfully affirming testament to the power of the holy spirit by those within the movement. Shots of 8-10-yr-old kids in tears, on their knees, trembling and speaking in tongues, is either evidence of brainwashing or evidence of the power of god. The preacher who was the main focus, and the parents of the kids who were featured, were interviewed (not in the movie, but about the movie) and were mostly (but not completely) happy with the way they were portrayed, and with how the movement was portrayed. So... as frightening as this movie is to some, it is a testament to how different world views may be.
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6th October 2006, 08:22 AM	#18
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,068	Well, if you ask an al queda operative, they will tell you that terrorist training camps are a good thing, too.
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6th October 2006, 08:26 AM	#19
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,325	Actually, the preacher-woman first tries to scare us with the idea that [paraphrasing] "little muslim kids are being taught to be soldiers", and then instead of saying that we should be different, says we need to do the same thing with little xian kids. Them = bad, us = good. Standard fare.
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6th October 2006, 08:55 AM	#20
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,068	No disagreement, there. In fact, my al queada reference was pretty much intentional in that regard.
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6th October 2006, 03:39 PM	#21
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,391	Originally Posted by Cleon Bring on the chocolate....Uh, never mind. Chocolate Jesus by Tom Waits Don't go to church on sunday Don't get on my knees to pray Don't memorize the books of the Bible I got my own special way But I know Jesus loves me Maybe just a little bit more I fall on my knees every sunday At Zerelda Lee's candy store Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus Make me feel good inside Got to be a chocolate Jesus Keep me satisfied Well I don't want no Abba Zabba Don't want no Almond Joy There ain't nothing better Suitable for this boy Well it's the only thing That can pick me up Better than a cup of gold See only a chocolate Jesus Can satisfy my soul (solo) When the weather gets rough And its whiskey in the shade It's best to wrap your savior Up in cellophane He flows like the big muddy But that's ok Pour him over ice cream For a nice parfait Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus Good enough for me Got to be a chocolate jesus Good enough for me Well it's got to be a chocolate Jesus Make me feel good inside Got to be a chocolate Jesus Keep me satisfied
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6th October 2006, 03:44 PM	#22
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	There's nothing scary about speaking in tongues, talking about how jesus loves a person, handing out bible tracts, etc. It's a way for these ordinary folks to feel special, without the technocratic competency hierarchies the rest of us nontransparently use to bolster our feelings of self-worth. My only problem is that it's attached to some very non-utilitarian behavior. I think there should be accessible to these folks counterhierarchies to technocratic elites other than ones that involve voting against stuff like stem cell research or legal abortion. That's it. Going beyond that is just sneering at the less intelligent, or the less hierarchically advantaged.
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7th October 2006, 08:26 PM	#23
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,374	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWs_J6Bjzs&NR BTW: how do you do the nifty "show the clip inline here" thing? Take a look at the other clips from that person - the documentary bits are interesting at the least.
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7th October 2006, 08:45 PM	#24
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,187	Originally Posted by The Atheist Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 The power of faith.
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8th October 2006, 11:40 AM	#25
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,911	Originally Posted by The Atheist Then again, it could just be Jesus Christ, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I come not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 "And we shall answer with the machine weapon and the FAE and upon thee our cluster bombs will scatter thy parts and appurtenances. Yay, unto death shalt they be scattered." Someone Else.
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8th October 2006, 11:42 AM	#26
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,911	Originally Posted by zakur I wonder if they ride jesus horses at Jesus Camp. Sort of - they know the horses in the biblical sense.
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8th October 2006, 12:11 PM	#27
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,187	Originally Posted by fuelair Sort of - they know the horses in the biblical sense. Sounds awfully dangerous. How do you know a T-Rex in the biblical sense? Very carefully apparently.
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8th October 2006, 01:46 PM	#29
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,427	I see them talk about things like battle and soldiers, but do you ever see them undergo any actual training? Do these groups teach the kids how to make bombs and handle weapons? Or is it all talk and no show? Because battle is starting to look more like a metaphor for loud and obnoxious behavior than actual fighting.
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8th October 2006, 02:51 PM	#30
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8th October 2006, 06:22 PM	#31
MrFrankZito Thinker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 222	Luckily, I live near NYC. So, even if the film gets a really limited release, I'm sure I'll still have the opportunity to see it. I'm going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight, but I'm sure this film is going to be infinitely more scary. Fundamentalists, no matter what their creed, are terrifying. _______________________ My Case Against God
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8th October 2006, 06:24 PM	#32
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	Originally Posted by MrFrankZito Luckily, I live near NYC. So, even if the film gets a really limited release, I'm sure I'll still have the opportunity to see it. I'm going to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight, but I'm sure this film is going to be infinitely more scary. Fundamentalists, no matter what their creed, are terrifying. _______________________ My Case Against God Jesus Camp is playing in NYC at the big AMC Times Square movie theatre. I saw it last weekend: it's interesting.
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8th October 2006, 07:04 PM	#33
hellaeon Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: City of Burning Churches, Australia Posts: 1,493	depressing initially, but I would still like to see it and see if it can make me despise religion any more then I already do.
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10th October 2006, 09:49 PM	#34
saizai Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,374	Originally Posted by c4ts I see them talk about things like battle and soldiers, but do you ever see them undergo any actual training? Do these groups teach the kids how to make bombs and handle weapons? Or is it all talk and no show? Because battle is starting to look more like a metaphor for loud and obnoxious behavior than actual fighting. I think they're talking more about a "Good vs EVIL!" battle. Where they are .... commanders? in the chess game between god and satan. It seems a bit odd to claim that you are special and not just a manipulated pawn, if you want to claim that that is real. But then, the whole concept of seriously believing in literal, actual demons and satanic involvement in the world makes me want to hide. It's sort of like the whole "gay/jew/liberal/whatever/whatever CONSPIRACY!!!!". Why the hell do I never get the memos?
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11th October 2006, 09:29 AM	#35
logic New Blood Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 12	Hmmm It was quite disturbing. There’s also a transcript (very short) available on MSNBC when Scarborough Country aired the clip. Not much different from the Muslim textbooks though.
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11th October 2006, 09:56 AM	#36
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	The history of organized religion in seven words: My god can beat up your god.
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