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headscratcher4 · 9th October 2006, 11:26 AM

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The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name.

Luke T. · 9th October 2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...607.wolfe.html

The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old.

No it doesn't.

headscratcher4 · 9th October 2006, 11:43 AM

Fixed it...very red-faced here.

Charlie Monoxide · 9th October 2006, 11:47 AM

Christians have been insulting intelligence and common sense for quite some time....

Charlie (time for some payback) Monoxide

RyanRoberts · 9th October 2006, 11:48 AM

Looks like everybody gets to be a victim now. Even fundie whackjob senators.

slingblade · 9th October 2006, 11:54 AM

Never mind.

Tony · 9th October 2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name.

Self censorship about the absurdities of religion, particularly islam and christianity, is the new PC.

hgc · 9th October 2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians.

I thought mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging morons were only a subset of Christians. It's all the other Christians who should complain that this guy is trying to shoehorn them into the YEC cult.

Mycroft · 10th October 2006, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

...into the YEC cult.

Young Earth C...?

HeavyAaron · 10th October 2006, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

Young Earth C...?

I think he's doing same obnoxious thing that people who say "PIN number" are doing.

Aaron

UserGoogol · 10th October 2006, 10:20 AM

Young Earth Creationism.

HeavyAaron · 10th October 2006, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

Young Earth Creationism.

You are correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

I've certainly heard the term "Young Earth" before, but this YEC just sounds wrong to me. It's a poorly worded term, IMHO.

Aaron

brodski · 10th October 2006, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by HeavyAaron

It's a poorly worded term, IMHO.

That's ok, it's a poorly thought out idea.

fuelair · 10th October 2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name.

Sounds like no standards at all on the part of the Senator - certainly no intelligence unless there are enough idiots in Montana to keep him in office and he is just pandering to their ignorance.

hgc · 10th October 2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Sounds like no standards at all on the part of the Senator - certainly no intelligence unless there are enough idiots in Montana to keep him in office and he is just pandering to their ignorance.

Montana is the site of some very famous dinosaur digs. Despite that, I doubt an adhearance to YEC (yes, young earth creationism) is an electoral disadvantage.

Darth Rotor · 10th October 2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Montana is the site of some very famous dinosaur digs. Despite that, I doubt an adhearance to YEC (yes, young earth creationism) is an electoral disadvantage.

If once preruses the literature from the ICR, which I have done lightly, one finds that these folks are most definitely playing catch up ball. Even with a few bona fide geologists and paleantologists on staff, they have decades of research and testing to do before their body of work could hope to catch up to what they are trying to rebut.

I'll check back with them in the year 2025 and see if any of them are close to catching up.

(ICR = Institute for Creation Research)

DR

a_unique_person · 10th October 2006, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by UserGoogol

Young Earth Creationism.

How old do you have to be to create a planet?

Achán hiNidráne · 10th October 2006, 09:22 PM

Ahhhh... but let's not forget that Christianity is a faith founded on a persecution complex. 2000 Years ago, it was the Romans. Today it's the "liberal, atheist, sec-u-lar humanists" who are try to repress Christian faith by banning prayer in school, removing monuments of the 10 Commandments from the courthouse lawn, giving women the right to vote and to abort possible future Christians, not to mention allowing homosexuals to walk the same streets as the faithful.

However, I do note the irony of conservatives playing the "bigotry-card" after all the screaming they did in the 1990s about "left-wing political correctness" in academia (some of it real depending on the school and/or department, but most of it was just hot air).

peptoabysmal · 10th October 2006, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

How old do you have to be to create a planet?

At least a few seconds older than the planet.

Dorian Gray · 10th October 2006, 09:30 PM

Not mocking this state senator may be politically correct, but mocking him is correct.

fuelair · 11th October 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dorian Gray

Not mocking this state senator may be politically correct, but mocking him is correct.

I would prefer smocking him - upside his widdle head!

Darth Rotor · 11th October 2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

However, I do note the irony of conservatives playing the "bigotry-card" after all the screaming they did in the 1990s about "left-wing political correctness" in academia (some of it real depending on the school and/or department, but most of it was just hot air).

Most of what you get out of academia is hot air. Sturgeon's Law and all that. It's that 10% that is worth keeping.

DR

hgc · 11th October 2006, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert

Ahhhh... but let's not forget that Christianity is a faith founded on a persecution complex. 2000 Years ago, it was the Romans. ...

You are far too kind. It's a faith whose foundation is that it's god planned his own murder at the hands of his subjects, just so he could lord it over them for all eternity, forcing unquestioning obesience under the threat of a very, very unpleasant afterlife.

Um, was that not P.C. of me?

brodski · 12th October 2006, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

You are far too kind. It's a faith whose foundation is that it's god planned his own murder at the hands of his subjects, just so he could lord it over them for all eternity, forcing unquestioning obesience under the threat of a very, very unpleasant afterlife.

Um, was that not P.C. of me?

Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY!

[chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant]

Darth Rotor · 12th October 2006, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by brodski

Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY!

[chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant]

Uh, they did it outside, not inside, on top of a hill. And then it rained, but not soon enough to rain it out, like a certain baseball game last night.

I heard the conspiracy was for Peter to run away with Mary Magdalene, but since that was in the "Book of Bonus" (non canonical) I can't be too sure.

DR

Charlie Monoxide · 12th October 2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by brodski

Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY!

[chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job
The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant]

Errr, the book I'm reading now is called "The Jesus Papers" and it's intimating that exact thing. So far (about page 125 of 300 pages) it's been a good read and I have my tinfoil hat on tightly. It has lots of Coulterish footnotes. Just because the author was also the co-author of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", I will reserve judgement ....

Charlie (zealous about Zealots) Monoxide

9th October 2006, 11:26 AM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Criticizing Young Earth Theory isn't very P.C. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name.
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9th October 2006, 11:36 AM	#2
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...607.wolfe.html The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. No it doesn't.
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9th October 2006, 11:43 AM	#3
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Fixed it...very red-faced here.
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9th October 2006, 11:47 AM	#4
Charlie Monoxide Wag Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 2,761	Christians have been insulting intelligence and common sense for quite some time.... Charlie (time for some payback) Monoxide
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9th October 2006, 11:54 AM	#6
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Never mind.
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9th October 2006, 11:48 AM	#5
RyanRoberts Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 308	Looks like everybody gets to be a victim now. Even fundie whackjob senators.

9th October 2006, 12:22 PM	#7
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,807	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name. Self censorship about the absurdities of religion, particularly islam and christianity, is the new PC.
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9th October 2006, 12:22 PM	#8
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,128	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. I thought mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging morons were only a subset of Christians. It's all the other Christians who should complain that this guy is trying to shoehorn them into the YEC cult.
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10th October 2006, 09:54 AM	#9
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,149	Originally Posted by hgc ...into the YEC cult. Young Earth C...?
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10th October 2006, 10:15 AM	#10
HeavyAaron Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 1,208	Originally Posted by Mycroft Young Earth C...? I think he's doing same obnoxious thing that people who say "PIN number" are doing. Aaron

10th October 2006, 10:20 AM	#11
UserGoogol Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,074	Young Earth Creationism.
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10th October 2006, 10:42 AM	#12
HeavyAaron Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sonoran Desert Posts: 1,208	Originally Posted by UserGoogol Young Earth Creationism. You are correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism I've certainly heard the term "Young Earth" before, but this YEC just sounds wrong to me. It's a poorly worded term, IMHO. Aaron

10th October 2006, 10:48 AM	#13
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,159	Originally Posted by HeavyAaron It's a poorly worded term, IMHO. That's ok, it's a poorly thought out idea.
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10th October 2006, 10:53 AM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,307	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT The above story involves the Gov. of Montana being critical of a State Senator who believes the earth is only 4 or 5,000 years old. The State Senator is upset, says the gov. is insulting Christians. Sounds a P.C. standard by a different name. Sounds like no standards at all on the part of the Senator - certainly no intelligence unless there are enough idiots in Montana to keep him in office and he is just pandering to their ignorance.
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10th October 2006, 11:08 AM	#15
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,128	Originally Posted by fuelair Sounds like no standards at all on the part of the Senator - certainly no intelligence unless there are enough idiots in Montana to keep him in office and he is just pandering to their ignorance. Montana is the site of some very famous dinosaur digs. Despite that, I doubt an adhearance to YEC (yes, young earth creationism) is an electoral disadvantage.
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10th October 2006, 01:50 PM	#16
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,372	Originally Posted by hgc Montana is the site of some very famous dinosaur digs. Despite that, I doubt an adhearance to YEC (yes, young earth creationism) is an electoral disadvantage. If once preruses the literature from the ICR, which I have done lightly, one finds that these folks are most definitely playing catch up ball. Even with a few bona fide geologists and paleantologists on staff, they have decades of research and testing to do before their body of work could hope to catch up to what they are trying to rebut. I'll check back with them in the year 2025 and see if any of them are close to catching up. (ICR = Institute for Creation Research) DR
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10th October 2006, 09:22 PM	#18
Achán hiNidráne Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Muskego, WI. Posts: 3,979	Ahhhh... but let's not forget that Christianity is a faith founded on a persecution complex. 2000 Years ago, it was the Romans. Today it's the "liberal, atheist, sec-u-lar humanists" who are try to repress Christian faith by banning prayer in school, removing monuments of the 10 Commandments from the courthouse lawn, giving women the right to vote and to abort possible future Christians, not to mention allowing homosexuals to walk the same streets as the faithful. However, I do note the irony of conservatives playing the "bigotry-card" after all the screaming they did in the 1990s about "left-wing political correctness" in academia (some of it real depending on the school and/or department, but most of it was just hot air).
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10th October 2006, 09:27 PM	#19
peptoabysmal Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,468	Originally Posted by a_unique_person How old do you have to be to create a planet? At least a few seconds older than the planet.
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Dorian Gray Hypocrisy Detector Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 20,210	Not mocking this state senator may be politically correct, but mocking him is correct.
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11th October 2006, 03:00 PM	#21
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,307	Originally Posted by Dorian Gray Not mocking this state senator may be politically correct, but mocking him is correct. I would prefer smocking him - upside his widdle head!
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11th October 2006, 03:02 PM	#22
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,372	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert However, I do note the irony of conservatives playing the "bigotry-card" after all the screaming they did in the 1990s about "left-wing political correctness" in academia (some of it real depending on the school and/or department, but most of it was just hot air). Most of what you get out of academia is hot air. Sturgeon's Law and all that. It's that 10% that is worth keeping. DR
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11th October 2006, 05:36 PM	#23
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,128	Originally Posted by Mark A. Siefert Ahhhh... but let's not forget that Christianity is a faith founded on a persecution complex. 2000 Years ago, it was the Romans. ... You are far too kind. It's a faith whose foundation is that it's god planned his own murder at the hands of his subjects, just so he could lord it over them for all eternity, forcing unquestioning obesience under the threat of a very, very unpleasant afterlife. Um, was that not P.C. of me?
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12th October 2006, 05:35 AM	#24
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,159	Originally Posted by hgc You are far too kind. It's a faith whose foundation is that it's god planned his own murder at the hands of his subjects, just so he could lord it over them for all eternity, forcing unquestioning obesience under the threat of a very, very unpleasant afterlife. Um, was that not P.C. of me? Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY! [chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant]
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12th October 2006, 03:17 PM	#25
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,372	Originally Posted by brodski Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY! [chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant] Uh, they did it outside, not inside, on top of a hill. And then it rained, but not soon enough to rain it out, like a certain baseball game last night. I heard the conspiracy was for Peter to run away with Mary Magdalene, but since that was in the "Book of Bonus" (non canonical) I can't be too sure. DR
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12th October 2006, 08:15 PM	#26
Charlie Monoxide Wag Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 2,761	Originally Posted by brodski Wait, you mean that the New Testament was just one big CONSPIRACY! [chant] The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job The Crucifixion was an inside job! [/chant] Errr, the book I'm reading now is called "The Jesus Papers" and it's intimating that exact thing. So far (about page 125 of 300 pages) it's been a good read and I have my tinfoil hat on tightly. It has lots of Coulterish footnotes. Just because the author was also the co-author of "Holy Blood, Holy Grail", I will reserve judgement .... Charlie (zealous about Zealots) Monoxide
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