Former Aide Takes Aim at War on Terror

Malachi151 · 15th June 2003, 10:12 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_tb

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"Beers's resignation surprised Washington, but what he did next was even more astounding. Eight weeks after leaving the Bush White House, he volunteered as national security adviser for Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), a Democratic candidate for president, in a campaign to oust his former boss. All of which points to a question: What does this intelligence insider know?"

"The administration wasn't matching its deeds to its words in the war on terrorism. They're making us less secure, not more secure," said Beers, who until now has remained largely silent about leaving his National Security Council job as special assistant to the president for combating terrorism."

Tony · 15th June 2003, 10:22 PM

If what this guy says is true (which I think it is), he should continue to speak-out and inform the country. Not because he wants to "oust his former boss", but because the country needs security.

RichardR · 15th June 2003, 10:28 PM

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Part of that stemmed from his frustration with the culture of the White House. He was loath to discuss it. His wife, Bonnie, a school administrator, was not: "It's a very closed, small, controlled group. This is an administration that determines what it thinks and then sets about to prove it. There's almost a religious kind of certainty. There's no curiosity about opposing points of view. It's very scary. There's kind of a ghost agenda."

Scary that that doesn't surprise me.

corplinx · 15th June 2003, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by RichardR
Scary that that doesn't surprise me.

It would suprise me since Bob Woodward's book paints a different view. Woodward isn't exactly a shill.

subgenius · 15th June 2003, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Tony
If what this guy says is true (which I think it is), he should continue to speak-out and inform the country. Not because he wants to "oust his former boss", but because the country needs security.

He doesn't "want" to oust his boss. That was the reporter's statement.
He wants true security, and this is the only way he feels we'll get it.

Tony · 15th June 2003, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by subgenius

He wants true security, and this is the only way he feels we'll get it.

Dont you also want true security?

I think we'll get it if he continues to speak out.

subgenius · 15th June 2003, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by corplinx

It would suprise me since Bob Woodward's book paints a different view. Woodward isn't exactly a shill.

How would Woodward know more than this guy? Why would it be a surprise that an insider specialist would have a different take? Why is it a surprise that there may be different opinions at all?

Checkmite · 15th June 2003, 11:31 PM

I am fascinated by this latest bit of intrigue. I will watch the development of these issues closely.

subgenius · 15th June 2003, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Tony

Dont you also want true security?

Yes, was there some question about that?

Tony · 15th June 2003, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by subgenius

Yes, was there some question about that?

I was just courious.

15th June 2003, 10:12 PM	#1
Malachi151 Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,405	Former Aide Takes Aim at War on Terror http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?nav=hptop_tb Quote: "Beers's resignation surprised Washington, but what he did next was even more astounding. Eight weeks after leaving the Bush White House, he volunteered as national security adviser for Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), a Democratic candidate for president, in a campaign to oust his former boss. All of which points to a question: What does this intelligence insider know?" "The administration wasn't matching its deeds to its words in the war on terrorism. They're making us less secure, not more secure," said Beers, who until now has remained largely silent about leaving his National Security Council job as special assistant to the president for combating terrorism."
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15th June 2003, 10:22 PM	#2
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,766	If what this guy says is true (which I think it is), he should continue to speak-out and inform the country. Not because he wants to "oust his former boss", but because the country needs security.
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15th June 2003, 10:28 PM	#3
RichardR Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,281	Quote: Part of that stemmed from his frustration with the culture of the White House. He was loath to discuss it. His wife, Bonnie, a school administrator, was not: "It's a very closed, small, controlled group. This is an administration that determines what it thinks and then sets about to prove it. There's almost a religious kind of certainty. There's no curiosity about opposing points of view. It's very scary. There's kind of a ghost agenda." Scary that that doesn't surprise me.
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15th June 2003, 11:15 PM	#4
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Quote: Originally posted by RichardR Scary that that doesn't surprise me. It would suprise me since Bob Woodward's book paints a different view. Woodward isn't exactly a shill.
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15th June 2003, 11:26 PM	#5
subgenius Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,788	Quote: Originally posted by Tony If what this guy says is true (which I think it is), he should continue to speak-out and inform the country. Not because he wants to "oust his former boss", but because the country needs security. He doesn't "want" to oust his boss. That was the reporter's statement. He wants true security, and this is the only way he feels we'll get it.
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15th June 2003, 11:28 PM	#6
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,766	Quote: Originally posted by subgenius He wants true security, and this is the only way he feels we'll get it. Dont you also want true security? I think we'll get it if he continues to speak out.
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15th June 2003, 11:28 PM	#7
subgenius Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,788	Quote: Originally posted by corplinx It would suprise me since Bob Woodward's book paints a different view. Woodward isn't exactly a shill. How would Woodward know more than this guy? Why would it be a surprise that an insider specialist would have a different take? Why is it a surprise that there may be different opinions at all?
subgenius Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,788	__________________ "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any controlling private power."---Franklin D. Roosevelt Proud to be Liberal

15th June 2003, 11:31 PM	#8
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Third in line Posts: 14,885	I am fascinated by this latest bit of intrigue. I will watch the development of these issues closely.
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15th June 2003, 11:34 PM	#9
subgenius Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 4,788	Quote: Originally posted by Tony Dont you also want true security? Yes, was there some question about that?
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15th June 2003, 11:38 PM	#10
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,766	Quote: Originally posted by subgenius Yes, was there some question about that? I was just courious.
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