Application Proposal - Mental Telepathy

Dargo · 16th October 2006, 02:15 AM

Claim: I Claim to be able to mentally send thoughts to my friend, also my friend is able to send back thoughts. The thoughts are in the form of normal conversation thought, that is it's like normal conversation except it's thought.

Proposed test: Put both my friend and myself in a sealed room up to 50km apart. Provide Both my friend and myself with one sheet of words and allow us to write down exactly what is written on each others sheets.

Equipment for the preliminary tests: One sheet of words, a pen and a blank sheet of paper.

Test protocol: We will achieve 100% accuracy on what ever is written on the sheets.

I don't see the point in making this test procedure overly complicated as there is no need. We possess what could easily be regarded as mental telepathy. The test states 50km since this is how far we've tried the telepathy although we believe it could be possible over much larger distances like the furtherest two people can be apart on Earth.

I hope this proposal finds the right people quickly and justly.

Best Regards,

Someone who wants to apply.

Cuddles · 16th October 2006, 02:51 AM

If you want it to reach the right people you need to send in an application to the JREF as found here.

A similar claim has been tested before, see here. I would expect your claim to use a very similar protocol, so if you read that thread you can see if it would be acceptable. Bear in mind that people on the forum do not speak for the JREF, so only correspodence with the challenge admin is actually official.

Dargo · 16th October 2006, 03:04 AM

So a written letter is the only way applications are accepted?

tkingdoll · 16th October 2006, 03:06 AM

Hi Dargo, welcome to the forums.

Cuddles has covered all the important stuff, so if you don't mind, I'd like to ask you a question about your claim.

Have you tested yourself and your friend using the setup you describe above? If yes, what were the results?

Thanks in advance!

TK

PS Cuddles already said it but it's worth repeating - no-one on the forum except Jeff Wagg speaks for the JREF, so any response you get here will be our personal opinions only.

Plastictowel · 16th October 2006, 05:40 AM

So can you send mental thoughts to me, just me not back to you or the other way around? How come it only works with just this one friend?

Skiltch · 16th October 2006, 05:44 AM

It would be simpler if there was only one sender and one receiver, if possible. Why not use the Nguyen test protocol (with or without the red bull as needed)?

Dargo · 16th October 2006, 05:53 AM

At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime.

Darat · 16th October 2006, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime.

Have you contacted Jeff Wagg jeff@randi.org yet?

And welcome to the Forum.

Zep · 16th October 2006, 06:13 AM

Do you get to see your lists in advance?

Do you get to make up your own lists?

Miss Whiplash · 16th October 2006, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

So a written letter is the only way applications are accepted?

One can try to send it by mental telepathy, but so far a written application is the best.

roger · 16th October 2006, 07:56 AM

I trust you will be happy to be inside a faraday cage during the test.

petre · 16th October 2006, 08:01 AM

I suspect the proposal (when sent to the JREF) will actually indicate they will be in seperate sealed rooms, as being 50km appart in a single room would require a rather large building

That said, plenty of advice already to get you on your way I think. You'll find good info (like what address to send a notarized application to) with a bit of hunting I believe, or ask and I'm sure someone can post a link.

Good luck!

pillory · 16th October 2006, 08:39 AM

I wish you bad luck...and i doubt you're able to do that with friend(s).....

you need bad luck and people who want put you down....who doesn't respect any of what you might call your own.....and be stupid and start to reject them mentally.....and you be called schizophrenic....what is true....

but psi is also true....not nice at all......

it rises from frustration ,stupidity,mental laziness,malevolence etc.....

and it causes all these above

even 150 km's are possible
I hate PSI....but it's hard (even impossible)to get rid of it....when you've learned it....

Dumb All Over · 16th October 2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

I don't see the point in making this test procedure overly complicated as there is no need.

Correct, no need to make it overly complicated. The only pressing need is to assure cheating cannot occur.

eri · 16th October 2006, 09:50 AM

Welcome, Dargo.

When you attempte this procedure with your friend, how did you generate the words to transmit? I would suggest having someone else (not you or your friend) prepare them ahead of time without telling either of you what the topic might be. Just pick random words out of the dictionary to send.

case sensitive · 16th October 2006, 04:44 PM

Just go to a newspaper and show them what you guys can do and become the most famous people in the world. Then take the test...

Dargo · 16th October 2006, 07:43 PM

What are some good known testing procedures. We're able to talk to each other exactly like normal spoken word but by mental telepathy. The test doesn't need to be carried out in rooms 25km apart, it could just be the same building. As I write this, my friend is about 50km away and we're talking continuously.

Flange Desire · 16th October 2006, 08:13 PM

Welcome Dargo.

Yes, a nice simple test protocol should only take a few months or years to develop and negotiate (haha). Be sure it includes ...

Randomly generated and completly blind word selection.
Non-interpretive and completly blind marking/recording.
Faraday cage and/or cavity search and/or RF detection/monitoring.
Other isolation methods to stop any non-telepathic communication.

What will you do if you test it with a 'dry run' and find that you cannot do it? Do you have any plans for this eventuality? Will you be resorting to the 'intereferance from skeptic vibes' or the 'only works on wednesdays' excuse, or one of the other well documented ones?
It will be helpful if you can list your excuses up front, before the event.
I'll go off now and find a useful link for you, to a nice big selection that has been compiled over the years.

The Atheist · 17th October 2006, 12:00 AM

Well, welcome, little Miss Telepath, we've been waiting to meet you!

For about the past ten thousand years.

And may I say, how bloody nice it is to see someone come in, state your goods and get it on! Well played, Dargo.

You seem to be getting good advice on how to do a preliminary test for you and your friend. Follow it and I'll keep watching. I give you no chance of success, but good luck!

Good Bob! Honesty from a candidate, how refreshing.

The Atheist · 17th October 2006, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by pillory

I hate PSI....but it's hard (even impossible)to get rid of it....when you've learned it....

Mate, whatever it is you take, can I suggest you halve the dose?

rjh01 · 17th October 2006, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime.

Originally Posted by Dargo

What are some good known testing procedures. We're able to talk to each other exactly like normal spoken word but by mental telepathy. The test doesn't need to be carried out in rooms 25km apart, it could just be the same building. As I write this, my friend is about 50km away and we're talking continuously.

One critical issue. Have you demonstrated this ability to an independent person? How have you verified that the transmissions have worked? Before posting here again I strongly suggest you answer these questions very thoroughly. For example you say you are talking continuously. How can you say that unless you are also talking on the telphone or internet? Otherwise it could be just part of your imagination.

Have you talked to your friend yet? What does he say?

Dargo · 17th October 2006, 02:14 AM

Yes we have talked via normal methods of communication. We knew each other before we began successfully communicating via telepathy. When I state we talk successful on a continual basis 50km apart, my friend works and lives that distance from myself.

No we haven't demonstrated this ability to an independent person yet.

rjh01 · 17th October 2006, 02:35 AM

How do you know that what you receive from your friend is what he sends? Also this thread is very similar to this one Sent in my application today.

chillzero · 17th October 2006, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

How do you know that what you receive from your friend is what he sends? Also this thread is very similar to this one Sent in my application today.

Funny, I thought of that one too.

Dargo · 17th October 2006, 03:29 AM

Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.

Zep · 17th October 2006, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.

Fine. Now think about answering the following questions:

1) How do you two know for certain that what you "transmitted" is accurate?

2) How do you prove to someone else outside of you two what you just claimed you can do?

GzuzKryzt · 17th October 2006, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.

How have you verified this, Dargo?

The JREF strongly recommends self-tests before entering the Challenge. The stricter the controls, the more runs, the better.
Have you considered doing a quick (i.e. with simple controls) test with an independent person (trustworthy friend, co-worker, family doctor) present?
Let's say the independent observer picks ten five letter words for each of you, without telling anyone anything beforehand. You and your friend are not allowed to communicate via "normal" means, obviously. Select a maximum duration beforehand, e.g. 30 minutes, and go for it.

A JREF Challenge test would of course include more rigid controls, but to eliminate a possible self-delusion this quick one should do the trick. No one in his right mind would blame you if you failed.

Another plus: If you performed this test with your family doctor present s/he could instantly sign an affidavit which would definitely help your application.

What do you think about this, Dargo?

rjh01 · 17th October 2006, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.

I am psychic too. I cannot read minds at 50 km but I can predict the future. I predict Dargo will not elaborate much on the above answer.

Should I put in an application for the $1m prize?

wombatwal · 17th October 2006, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

I am psychic too. I cannot read minds at 50 km but I can predict the future. I predict Dargo will not elaborate much on the above answer.

Should I put in an application for the $1m prize?

I wish I had thought of that one.

rjh01 · 18th October 2006, 05:17 AM

I think I have scared Dargo off. He was here 2.5 hours ago (check his public profile) and did not post. If he was real then he could tear me to pieces for what I have written. After all I am the only person who has given him a hard time.

Gone to bed. Will see if I am a fool in the morning. But I will have a good night's sleep.

thomps1d · 18th October 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.

Everything? Seriously, 100% accuracy? How have you tested it so far?

My suspicion is that the test sounded like this:

Dargo: "Man, at noon yesterday, I was totally starved and thinking about going for lunch..."

Dargo's friend: "Whaaaa? Me too! OMG!!!!!oneoneeleventy!! We must be telepathic and sharing thoughts, else how could our thoughts line up so perfectly?"

OK. Now I'm being serious. See, this is my serious face:

Have you actually found a way to demonstrate 100% accuracy? Maybe try this: Have you and a witness sitting in your home. Tell the witness beforehand to photocopy a page from a book, any book. Call up your friend on the telephone and put it on speakerphone. Have your friend show you for the very first time the page that he photocopied. Concentrate on the words as if you want to telepathically share them with your friend, and ask your friend to repeat what he's "hearing" from your telepathic conversation.

If you're reading a page from "Hamlet", and he's reciting a page from "Green Eggs and Ham", you'll know that the 100% claim is a bit off. And if he does recite exactly what he should, you'll have a witness that can sign an affadavit attesting to your powers.

Dargo · 19th October 2006, 01:48 AM

Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test?

Darat · 19th October 2006, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test?

I suggest that you read the FAQ - it can answer all your questions regarding the Challenge as it current is.

http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html

Zep · 19th October 2006, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test?

Answer the questions above and I will tell you!

Darat · 19th October 2006, 03:04 AM

I'll just add a

"...and it starts...."

Dargo · 19th October 2006, 03:17 AM

I've read the FAQ section but I can't find any mention of exactly what the preliminary tests are.

Does anyone know?

Mojo · 19th October 2006, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

I've read the FAQ section but I can't find any mention of exactly what the preliminary tests are.

Does anyone know?

See rule 5, here:

Quote:

In all cases, applicant will be required to perform the preliminary test either before an appointed representative, if distance and time dictate that need, or in a location where a member of the JREF staff can attend. This preliminary test is to determine if the applicant is likely to perform as promised during a formal test.

Zep · 19th October 2006, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Dargo

I've read the FAQ section but I can't find any mention of exactly what the preliminary tests are.

Does anyone know?

I'm going to allow...only for a moment, mind...that you aren't just trying to yank some chains here. So here goes:

If you ask questions like this, you clearly haven't read the application form.

So READ THE APPLICATION FORM!

Spektator · 19th October 2006, 06:16 AM

Sigh....design a test and specify what would constitute a passing attempt, such as:

I will sit at a table in one room. In a separate room at least 50 feet away, my friend will sit at a second table.

An observer will be present in each room. A video camera will be present in each room to record the test. There will be no verbal, visual, or electronic communication between me and my partner. I agree that we each will submit to a scan to insure that we are not carrying any concealed communication equipment. Neither of us will have a cell phone.

Working with my observer, using a random method of selection, we will locate twenty-five target words from a dictionary. The words will all be nouns specifying some physical object. One method might be to roll three dice. The observer will turn to whatever page in an unabridged dictionary the dice indicate and will choose the first noun on that page that names a physical object. If the dice read 146, the observer will turn to page 146 in the dictionary and choose the first noun on that page.

When all twenty-five words have been selected, the observer will write them on cards, then shuffle the cards into random order. I will then draw the cards one by one and will mentally tell my partner what the words are. My partner will write the words down, one by one, on a sheet of paper with rows numbered from 1 to 25.

Only direct hits will count. If the word is "balloon," only the word "balloon" will count. A word like "ball" or "round" will be a miss.

I claim 100% accuracy. I agree that this test will be counted a success if, and only if, my partner writes down all 25 words in the correct order. Any other result will be counted as a failure.
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This is a sample, of course. Details would vary--the randomization method here isn't really very good, and it could be improved, for example. You would have to negotiate the exact terms with the JREF. This would be a preliminary test. If you passed it, you would then design a tougher final test.

jmontecillo01 · 19th October 2006, 06:53 AM

I have been coming to this site for a long time now. It is only today that I joined. It is because of things that I thought people must understand when it comes to this kind of claims.

I suffer from schizoprenia which I hope you would understand.

Some sufferers experience what is called thought broadcasting. It means that you believe you can read peoples mind and vice versa. Let me tell you now that it is a terrifying experience. I used to sit in a dark corner of my room afraid that people might know that I am reading their mind.

The same is true with claims about telekenesis or power to inflict harm to others using witchcraft. Why would you like others to konw you have such a power. Isn't it more logical just to control the results of the lottery? And of course, if such a power exists, then you would not want the knowleged to be known as mankind is not ready for it. He'll just use it to terrorize others.

I had my first episode way back 1988 but it wasn't until 1998 that it was properly diagnosed. Let me remind you that the experience was terrifying.

16th October 2006, 02:15 AM	#1
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	Application Proposal - Mental Telepathy Claim: I Claim to be able to mentally send thoughts to my friend, also my friend is able to send back thoughts. The thoughts are in the form of normal conversation thought, that is it's like normal conversation except it's thought. Proposed test: Put both my friend and myself in a sealed room up to 50km apart. Provide Both my friend and myself with one sheet of words and allow us to write down exactly what is written on each others sheets. Equipment for the preliminary tests: One sheet of words, a pen and a blank sheet of paper. Test protocol: We will achieve 100% accuracy on what ever is written on the sheets. I don't see the point in making this test procedure overly complicated as there is no need. We possess what could easily be regarded as mental telepathy. The test states 50km since this is how far we've tried the telepathy although we believe it could be possible over much larger distances like the furtherest two people can be apart on Earth. I hope this proposal finds the right people quickly and justly. Best Regards, Someone who wants to apply.
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	Last edited by Dargo; 16th October 2006 at 03:23 AM.

16th October 2006, 02:51 AM	#2
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,566	If you want it to reach the right people you need to send in an application to the JREF as found here. A similar claim has been tested before, see here. I would expect your claim to use a very similar protocol, so if you read that thread you can see if it would be acceptable. Bear in mind that people on the forum do not speak for the JREF, so only correspodence with the challenge admin is actually official.
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16th October 2006, 03:04 AM	#3
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	So a written letter is the only way applications are accepted?
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16th October 2006, 03:06 AM	#4
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,471	Hi Dargo, welcome to the forums. Cuddles has covered all the important stuff, so if you don't mind, I'd like to ask you a question about your claim. Have you tested yourself and your friend using the setup you describe above? If yes, what were the results? Thanks in advance! TK PS Cuddles already said it but it's worth repeating - no-one on the forum except Jeff Wagg speaks for the JREF, so any response you get here will be our personal opinions only.
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16th October 2006, 05:40 AM	#5
Plastictowel Thinker Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 226	So can you send mental thoughts to me, just me not back to you or the other way around? How come it only works with just this one friend?
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16th October 2006, 05:44 AM	#6
Skiltch Scholar Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 75	It would be simpler if there was only one sender and one receiver, if possible. Why not use the Nguyen test protocol (with or without the red bull as needed)?
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16th October 2006, 05:53 AM	#7
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime.
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16th October 2006, 06:02 AM	#8
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,741	Originally Posted by Dargo At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime. Have you contacted Jeff Wagg jeff@randi.org yet? And welcome to the Forum.
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16th October 2006, 06:13 AM	#9
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16th October 2006, 06:36 AM	#10
Miss Whiplash Nettlesome Harpy Join Date: May 2006 Location: 53 Miles West of Venus Posts: 1,583	Originally Posted by Dargo So a written letter is the only way applications are accepted? One can try to send it by mental telepathy, but so far a written application is the best.
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16th October 2006, 07:56 AM	#11
roger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 11,021	I trust you will be happy to be inside a faraday cage during the test.
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16th October 2006, 08:01 AM	#12
petre Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 887	I suspect the proposal (when sent to the JREF) will actually indicate they will be in seperate sealed rooms, as being 50km appart in a single room would require a rather large building That said, plenty of advice already to get you on your way I think. You'll find good info (like what address to send a notarized application to) with a bit of hunting I believe, or ask and I'm sure someone can post a link. Good luck!
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16th October 2006, 08:39 AM	#13
pillory Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,167	I wish you bad luck...and i doubt you're able to do that with friend(s)..... you need bad luck and people who want put you down....who doesn't respect any of what you might call your own.....and be stupid and start to reject them mentally.....and you be called schizophrenic....what is true.... but psi is also true....not nice at all...... it rises from frustration ,stupidity,mental laziness,malevolence etc..... and it causes all these above even 150 km's are possible I hate PSI....but it's hard (even impossible)to get rid of it....when you've learned it....
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16th October 2006, 09:28 AM	#14
Dumb All Over A Little Ugly on the Side Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: They call it the Earth (which is a dumb kinda name) Posts: 3,692	Originally Posted by Dargo I don't see the point in making this test procedure overly complicated as there is no need. Correct, no need to make it overly complicated. The only pressing need is to assure cheating cannot occur.
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16th October 2006, 09:50 AM	#15
eri Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere nearby, pointing and laughing. Posts: 459	Welcome, Dargo. When you attempte this procedure with your friend, how did you generate the words to transmit? I would suggest having someone else (not you or your friend) prepare them ahead of time without telling either of you what the topic might be. Just pick random words out of the dictionary to send.
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16th October 2006, 04:44 PM	#16
case sensitive Critical Thinker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 395	Just go to a newspaper and show them what you guys can do and become the most famous people in the world. Then take the test...
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16th October 2006, 07:43 PM	#17
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	What are some good known testing procedures. We're able to talk to each other exactly like normal spoken word but by mental telepathy. The test doesn't need to be carried out in rooms 25km apart, it could just be the same building. As I write this, my friend is about 50km away and we're talking continuously.
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16th October 2006, 08:13 PM	#18
Flange Desire Muse Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 573	Welcome Dargo. Yes, a nice simple test protocol should only take a few months or years to develop and negotiate (haha). Be sure it includes ... Randomly generated and completly blind word selection. Non-interpretive and completly blind marking/recording. Faraday cage and/or cavity search and/or RF detection/monitoring. Other isolation methods to stop any non-telepathic communication. What will you do if you test it with a 'dry run' and find that you cannot do it? Do you have any plans for this eventuality? Will you be resorting to the 'intereferance from skeptic vibes' or the 'only works on wednesdays' excuse, or one of the other well documented ones? It will be helpful if you can list your excuses up front, before the event. I'll go off now and find a useful link for you, to a nice big selection that has been compiled over the years.

17th October 2006, 12:00 AM	#19
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	Well, welcome, little Miss Telepath, we've been waiting to meet you! For about the past ten thousand years. And may I say, how bloody nice it is to see someone come in, state your goods and get it on! Well played, Dargo. You seem to be getting good advice on how to do a preliminary test for you and your friend. Follow it and I'll keep watching. I give you no chance of success, but good luck! Good Bob! Honesty from a candidate, how refreshing.
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17th October 2006, 12:01 AM	#20
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Within smelling distance of the Grammar Death Camps Posts: 13,928	Originally Posted by pillory I hate PSI....but it's hard (even impossible)to get rid of it....when you've learned it.... Mate, whatever it is you take, can I suggest you halve the dose?
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17th October 2006, 02:09 AM	#21
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,172	Originally Posted by Dargo At the moment I'm only able to talk to my friend. Haven't tryed it with anyone else. Yes, with the setup the result is 100% everytime. Originally Posted by Dargo What are some good known testing procedures. We're able to talk to each other exactly like normal spoken word but by mental telepathy. The test doesn't need to be carried out in rooms 25km apart, it could just be the same building. As I write this, my friend is about 50km away and we're talking continuously. One critical issue. Have you demonstrated this ability to an independent person? How have you verified that the transmissions have worked? Before posting here again I strongly suggest you answer these questions very thoroughly. For example you say you are talking continuously. How can you say that unless you are also talking on the telphone or internet? Otherwise it could be just part of your imagination. Have you talked to your friend yet? What does he say?

17th October 2006, 02:14 AM	#22
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	Yes we have talked via normal methods of communication. We knew each other before we began successfully communicating via telepathy. When I state we talk successful on a continual basis 50km apart, my friend works and lives that distance from myself. No we haven't demonstrated this ability to an independent person yet.
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17th October 2006, 02:35 AM	#23
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,172	How do you know that what you receive from your friend is what he sends? Also this thread is very similar to this one Sent in my application today.

17th October 2006, 03:19 AM	#24
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,226	Originally Posted by rjh01 How do you know that what you receive from your friend is what he sends? Also this thread is very similar to this one Sent in my application today. Funny, I thought of that one too.

17th October 2006, 03:29 AM	#25
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears.
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17th October 2006, 03:37 AM	#26
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Dargo Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears. Fine. Now think about answering the following questions: 1) How do you two know for certain that what you "transmitted" is accurate? 2) How do you prove to someone else outside of you two what you just claimed you can do?
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17th October 2006, 03:48 AM	#27
GzuzKryzt Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,367	Originally Posted by Dargo Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears. How have you verified this, Dargo? The JREF strongly recommends self-tests before entering the Challenge. The stricter the controls, the more runs, the better. Have you considered doing a quick (i.e. with simple controls) test with an independent person (trustworthy friend, co-worker, family doctor) present? Let's say the independent observer picks ten five letter words for each of you, without telling anyone anything beforehand. You and your friend are not allowed to communicate via "normal" means, obviously. Select a maximum duration beforehand, e.g. 30 minutes, and go for it. A JREF Challenge test would of course include more rigid controls, but to eliminate a possible self-delusion this quick one should do the trick. No one in his right mind would blame you if you failed. Another plus: If you performed this test with your family doctor present s/he could instantly sign an affidavit which would definitely help your application. What do you think about this, Dargo?
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17th October 2006, 04:34 AM	#28
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,172	Originally Posted by Dargo Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears. I am psychic too. I cannot read minds at 50 km but I can predict the future. I predict Dargo will not elaborate much on the above answer. Should I put in an application for the $1m prize?

17th October 2006, 04:49 AM	#29
wombatwal Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 854	Originally Posted by rjh01 I am psychic too. I cannot read minds at 50 km but I can predict the future. I predict Dargo will not elaborate much on the above answer. Should I put in an application for the $1m prize? I wish I had thought of that one.

18th October 2006, 05:17 AM	#30
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,172	I think I have scared Dargo off. He was here 2.5 hours ago (check his public profile) and did not post. If he was real then he could tear me to pieces for what I have written. After all I am the only person who has given him a hard time. Gone to bed. Will see if I am a fool in the morning. But I will have a good night's sleep.

18th October 2006, 01:38 PM	#31
thomps1d Thinker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Regina, SK, Canada Posts: 193	Originally Posted by Dargo Due to the fact we are the only people talking. We aren't sending, we're talking via telepathy. Everything my friend thinks and she hears in her head, I hear. Everything I think and hear in my head, she hears. Everything? Seriously, 100% accuracy? How have you tested it so far? My suspicion is that the test sounded like this: Dargo: "Man, at noon yesterday, I was totally starved and thinking about going for lunch..." Dargo's friend: "Whaaaa? Me too! OMG!!!!!oneoneeleventy!! We must be telepathic and sharing thoughts, else how could our thoughts line up so perfectly?" OK. Now I'm being serious. See, this is my serious face: Have you actually found a way to demonstrate 100% accuracy? Maybe try this: Have you and a witness sitting in your home. Tell the witness beforehand to photocopy a page from a book, any book. Call up your friend on the telephone and put it on speakerphone. Have your friend show you for the very first time the page that he photocopied. Concentrate on the words as if you want to telepathically share them with your friend, and ask your friend to repeat what he's "hearing" from your telepathic conversation. If you're reading a page from "Hamlet", and he's reciting a page from "Green Eggs and Ham", you'll know that the 100% claim is a bit off. And if he does recite exactly what he should, you'll have a witness that can sign an affadavit attesting to your powers.

19th October 2006, 01:48 AM	#32
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test?
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19th October 2006, 03:03 AM	#33
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,741	Originally Posted by Dargo Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test? I suggest that you read the FAQ - it can answer all your questions regarding the Challenge as it current is. http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html
	__________________ If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn 1918-2008

19th October 2006, 03:04 AM	#34
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Dargo Does JREF do any testing in Australia? Will we have to fly to the USA?What is ment by the preliminaries? Why doesn't the preliminaries count as the actual test? Answer the questions above and I will tell you!
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19th October 2006, 03:17 AM	#36
Dargo Scholar Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 53	I've read the FAQ section but I can't find any mention of exactly what the preliminary tests are. Does anyone know?
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