JohnDoeX: "I'm a real boy!"

[chipmunk stew]

FYI

JDX has updated his "core members" page: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

He lists himself at the top:

Quote:

Robert Balsamo
4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET

[WildCat]

This must mean he has some air-tight evidence for the "inside job" now!

[DanKirby]

"Core members"? He's not working with Christophera now, is he?

[Bell]

One born every minute...

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

FYI

JDX has updated his "core members" page: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

He lists himself at the top:

you can go to FAA https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...ry/default.asp

and search for his stuff, I looked up his stuff last time and he was there, forgot it he used the same name

[beachnut]

ask questions

would you fly with this guy who thinks the terrorist should have pushed the plane into a 23 degree descent to hit the Pentagon, instead of a gentle turn (Charlie Sheen calls aerobatics) to line up and hit it at 4 to 6 degrees, steep but closer to real 2.5 to 3 degrees pilots use to land!!!

do you feel lucky?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

FYI

JDX has updated his "core members" page: http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

He lists himself at the top:

I feel safe I will never fly with these idiots! Sorry for the idiot statement but I have seen this guys work and as a fellow pilot I apologize that some pilots are insane and let their political or religious beliefs suspend reality.

Only 14 pilots! The Air Force produced 2000 pilots a year during Vietnam. There must be millions of pilots. This is good news for those who fly, only 14 out of millions of pilots are into fiction and let political or just plan mental illness issues interfere with their rational thinking.

[Bell]

Originally Posted by beachnut

I feel safe I will never fly with these idiots! Sorry for the idiot statement but I have seen this guys work and as a fellow pilot I apologize that some pilots are insane and let their political or religious beliefs suspend reality.

Only 14 pilots! The Air Force produced 2000 pilots a year during Vietnam. There must be millions of pilots. This is good news for those who fly, only 14 out of millions of pilots are into fiction and let political or just plan mental illness issues interfere with their rational thinking.

"This is your captain. We've got stable weather, clear view, and I am very pissed at the government. We'll be making a slight detour to DC."

[W6102LA]

Quote:

We are currently in the planning stages for a film/documentary based on the above analysis. The title of the film is called "Pandora's Black Box - The Flight of American 77". Those interested in donating in the making of this film are encouraged to contact us at pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org. We would like to put together a professional documentary based on the Flight Data Recorder (Black Box) for release and to possibly get answers from our Govt. Presentation will depend on finances.

Anyone going to donate ?

[Bell]

Originally Posted by W6102LA

Anyone going to donate ?

I'd swear that said 'detonate'

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by beachnut

you can go to FAA https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...ry/default.asp

and search for his stuff, I looked up his stuff last time and he was there, forgot it he used the same name

I thought he lived in NYC?
Where is the type rating for the DO328 ??
Why was his commercial rating only issued in '04 if he's been flying professionally for 10 years?

I'm just asking questions.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Bell

"This is your captain. We've got stable weather, clear view, and I am very pissed at the government. We'll be making a slight detour to DC."

[Obviousman]

If what was posted was correct, then it would seem DOH! is telling porkies:

Name : BALSAMO, ROBERT NICHOLAS
Airman's Address : 4711 WHEELER RD APT B
LOUISVILLE, TN, 37777-5453
FAA Region : Southern
Date of Medical : May, 2004
Class of Medical : 1
Expiration of Class 1 : Nov, 2004
Airman Certificates : Commercial Pilot
Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
Instrument Airplane

Expired medical (expired 2004), no ATPL. He does have a flight instructor rating (expired 2001). What does 'DOI' refer to?
Please check me on this to see if it is correct:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A2614627

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Anyone want to guess how angry Mr. Balsamo will be when he discovers JDX has hijacked his identity?

[The_Fire]

And isn't highjacking an identity a federal offence? (in the US it that is).

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by Obviousman

Expired medical (expired 2004), no ATPL. He does have a flight instructor rating (expired 2001). What does 'DOI' refer to?
Please check me on this to see if it is correct:

DOI refers to Date Of Issue.

I still cant fathom why Johnny would do this. If you are going to assume someones identity for proof that you are who you say you are - why choose a pilot who doesnt even come close to having the qualifications you've claimed? Perhaps 'Skeptic4sure' will pop in and set us straight on this matter...

[CurtC]

How is it that you figured out that JDX is Robert Balsamo? Simply because he's at the top of the PfT web page?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Obviousman

If what was posted was correct, then it would seem DOH! is telling porkies:

Expired medical (expired 2004), no ATPL. He does have a flight instructor rating (expired 2001). What does 'DOI' refer to?
Please check me on this to see if it is correct:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A2614627

maybe his medical is expired while he is in the funny farm, they pull your med if you have heart problems or mental problems

[chipmunk stew]

Originally Posted by CurtC

How is it that you figured out that JDX is Robert Balsamo? Simply because he's at the top of the PfT web page?

He's said his name is Rob. He's listed "Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI" among his credentials. And he's said he flew for Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines.

[Crungy]

Wasn't there a theory that J'Doh had a close friend/relative who was feeding him official pilot material? If so, I wonder if that pilot is aware of the scam his mate is pulling.

[Calcas]

Originally Posted by Obviousman

If what was posted was correct, then it would seem DOH! is telling porkies:

Name : BALSAMO, ROBERT NICHOLAS
Airman's Address : 4711 WHEELER RD APT B
LOUISVILLE, TN, 37777-5453
FAA Region : Southern
Date of Medical : May, 2004
Class of Medical : 1
Expiration of Class 1 : Nov, 2004
Airman Certificates : Commercial Pilot
Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land
Instrument Airplane

Expired medical (expired 2004), no ATPL. He does have a flight instructor rating (expired 2001). What does 'DOI' refer to?
Please check me on this to see if it is correct:

https://amsrvs.registry.faa.gov/airm...niqid=A2614627

Cool site. I didn't even know it existed.

I searched myself and found I still have my certificate as an ATC, even though it's been years.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by Calcas

Cool site. I didn't even know it existed.

I searched myself and found I still have my certificate as an ATC, even though it's been years.

You are an official expert!

[qarnos]

Didn't JDX mention that he flew one of the last Independence Air flights? I tried looking for the dispatch release he posted but he has "pulled" the image.

In any case, Independence Air ceased operations in January 2006. JDX had his last first class medical examination in May, 2004. The first class medical is only valid for 6 months at which point it reverts to a second class for another 6 months.

The first-class medical is required to fly under ATPL and the second class for CPL. This means that as of May 2005, JDX would not have been allowed to fly as a CPL.

Did anybody save a copy of the dispatch release?

[chipmunk stew]

Originally Posted by johndoex

....i'll address some issues while im here...

My Commercial was issued May 96.

Multiengine - July 96

CFI - 10/96

CFII - 3/97

MEI - 6/97

Flight Instructor certificates expire every 2 years. I renewed it twice (which is basically a quick check ride with an examiner.. they call it the 100 dollar Hamburger Ride because its a piece of cake... or you can take a written.. or if you are a Capt at an airline an FAA examiner will just renew it with the stroke of a pen.. you dont have to go through the whole training course again).

I got hired at ACA in July of 2000. I had 3 upgrade classes that cancelled. 1 due to Sept 11, the second due to United Bankruptcy (due to Sept 11), and the 3 due to FLYI start-up and subsequent furloughs. I took a voluntary furlough for a year due to my health problems and to save the job of a junior pilot. I was planning on going back to FLYI March 2006. But the company closed doors Jan 06.

My medical is still valid as a Class 3. ...a Class 1 switches to a Class 2 and then to Class 3 if not renewed. Medical is valid till May of 2007 as Class 3 privileges. I can get a Class 1 today if i want to.. along with renewing my CFI... all it takes is 200-300 dollars and a scheduled appointment. I have grounded myself due to health problems. ....

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/vi...?p=36331#36331

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by chipmunk stew

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/vi...?p=36331#36331

Well, that explains it........oh... except:

- No ATP(a requirement for all airlines)
- No type rating for the DO328 or 727(D'oh claims to have flown both)
- A Knoxville area address(D'oh claims to be a New Yorker)

Maybe beachnut or someone else can correct me, but I thought that FAA certificates didn't expire(mine don't). I looked up a pilot I know and his CFI/CFII ratings are dated 1988. In other words they dont list the recurrent date, they list the original issue date. I could be wrong.

The FAA says:

Commercial - 12/02
CFI/CFII - 6/99

....but D'oh says:

Commercial - 5/96
Multiengine - 7/96
CFI - 10/96
CFII - 3/97
MEI - 6/97

(implying that whats listed are the renew dates.)

I'm just asking questions

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by apathoid

Well, that explains it........oh... except:

- No ATP(a requirement for all airlines)
- No type rating for the DO328 or 727(D'oh claims to have flown both)
- A Knoxville area address(D'oh claims to be a New Yorker)

Maybe beachnut or someone else can correct me, but I thought that FAA certificates didn't expire(mine don't). I looked up a pilot I know and his CFI/CFII ratings are dated 1988. In other words they dont list the recurrent date, they list the original issue date. I could be wrong.

The FAA says:

Commercial - 12/02
CFI/CFII - 6/99

....but D'oh says:

Commercial - 5/96
Multiengine - 7/96
CFI - 10/96
CFII - 3/97
MEI - 6/97

(implying that whats listed are the renew dates.)

I'm just asking questions

no expiration, need current medical, first class you are hooked up to OKC and they see your heart stuff as you are in doc office

did you look at all the pages, it has tabs

the first time I checked out JDX or the pilotstruth guy, I thought I saw an ATP and type ratings, I noticed his CFI was not current

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by beachnut

no expiration, need current medical, first class you are hooked up to OKC and they see your heart stuff as you are in doc office

did you look at all the pages, it has tabs

the first time I checked out JDX or the pilotstruth guy, I thought I saw an ATP and type ratings, I noticed his CFI was not current

Glen Stanish, who registered the domain for pilotsfortruth, does indeed have everything he says he has including a B737 type rating. But, Robert Balsamo only had what I listed above.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by apathoid

Glen Stanish, who registered the domain for pilotsfortruth, does indeed have everything he says he has including a B737 type rating. But, Robert Balsamo only had what I listed above.

I bet I looked up Glen. I think I did go to whoisit or the ip place. Did Glen's stuff match the JDX junk? That name sound familiar.

Actually there are a few pilots who are have too much ego to believe anyone can fly the new jets. But they are easy to fly once underway. The things your Captain does to land and takeoff in the WX are the hard things that take some of years to master! If JFK junior had take IFR training he would still be flying. The hard part of flying was not demonstrated by the terrorist, simple winds and weather could have foiled them.

It was funny looking at the FDR video with smart remarks by a so called pilot. The so called pilot tells us the terrorist should have done a 25 degree dive into the pentagon instead of the simple turn and line up he did. I really do not ever want to fly with who ever made the comments.

A handful of pilots are in the truth movement. I am worried their poor judgment could be reflected in their flying.

[apathoid]

Originally Posted by beachnut

It was funny looking at the FDR video with smart remarks by a so called pilot. The so called pilot tells us the terrorist should have done a 25 degree dive into the pentagon instead of the simple turn and line up he did. I really do not ever want to fly with who ever made the comments.

A handful of pilots are in the truth movement. I am worried their poor judgment could be reflected in their flying.

I'm 50/50 on D'oh actually being a pilot. I've known a few dumber-than-a-box-of-rocks pilots(but most are really quite sharp as you know), but D'oh has had so many foot-in-mouth dead giveaway moments(didnt know if UA used ACARS) that I'm pretty sure that if he is(was) a pilot - he's never commanded anything more than a Cessna 310.

Glen flies for Continental, so you might wanna avoid them. D'oh claims alot of the Independance Air pilots "had questions". But, don't worry, they went belly-up earlier this year.

[beachnut]

Looks like the leaders in the truth movement self destruct in their everyday jobs. JaneDoe not picked up, Jones retired, etc.

Funny the first amendment comes up, I will have to remember that when my kids try to commit me!

Maybe one of our expert pilots single handedly brought down Independence air!

[qarnos]

Originally Posted by beachnut

A handful of pilots are in the truth movement. I am worried their poor judgment could be reflected in their flying.

People like JDX need to realise that being a pilot does not mean you can't be wrong.

Someone quite a while ago mentioned the analogy of someone with a drivers license automatically qualified as a road crash expert. I thought that was quite succinct.

[CurtC]

Originally Posted by beachnut

[color=black]Actually there are a few pilots who are have too much ego to believe anyone can fly the new jets. But they are easy to fly once underway.

A couple of weeks ago, I was on a father-son campout, and one of the other dads in our group is a 757 pilot for Northwest. I asked him if he ever got a wierd feeling thinking it was his kind of plane that was hijacked on 9/11. He said no, and then added that the reason the terrorists made sure to hijack either 757s or 767s was that those are the ones that are automated enough that they could actually fly them successfully.

[TjW]

Originally Posted by beachnut

I bet I looked up Glen. I think I did go to whoisit or the ip place. Did Glen's stuff match the JDX junk? That name sound familiar.

Actually there are a few pilots who are have too much ego to believe anyone can fly the new jets. But they are easy to fly once underway. The things your Captain does to land and takeoff in the WX are the hard things that take some of years to master! If JFK junior had take IFR training he would still be flying. The hard part of flying was not demonstrated by the terrorist, simple winds and weather could have foiled them.

(snippage by TjW)

Really? I would be surprised if the new jets weren't the easiest to fly, in terms of the actual "monkey skills" of manipulating the controls.
They still have lots of complex systems to learn, I'm sure. But it would seem to me that safety considerations, if nothing else, would tend toward designing for a lower workload for the pilots.

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by TjW

Really? I would be surprised if the new jets weren't the easiest to fly, in terms of the actual "monkey skills" of manipulating the controls.
They still have lots of complex systems to learn, I'm sure. But it would seem to me that safety considerations, if nothing else, would tend toward designing for a lower workload for the pilots.

I agree with your assessment of new jets.

[gumboot]

Originally Posted by TjW

Really? I would be surprised if the new jets weren't the easiest to fly, in terms of the actual "monkey skills" of manipulating the controls.
They still have lots of complex systems to learn, I'm sure. But it would seem to me that safety considerations, if nothing else, would tend toward designing for a lower workload for the pilots.

Modern airliners require two crew-members: a dog and a man. The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.

-Gumboot

[rikzilla]

Originally Posted by Calcas

Cool site. I didn't even know it existed.

I searched myself and found I still have my certificate as an ATC, even though it's been years.

I knew about the site but I don't think they've always had a search function for pilot certificate holders. Very cool! I looked myself up too.
Edwin Richard Robinson
No address listed for me but my little Private Pilot Certificate shows up!

-z

[The_Fire]

Originally Posted by gumboot

Modern airliners require two crew-members: a dog and a man. The man is there to feed the dog, and the dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.

-Gumboot

That would explain why the darned plane was bumping like a kangaroo on drugs during my last trip to Canada: It wasn't airpockets! It was the dog and the man fighting over the controls!

.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by qarnos

People like JDX need to realise that being a pilot does not mean you can't be wrong.

Someone quite a while ago mentioned the analogy of someone with a drivers license automatically qualified as a road crash expert. I thought that was quite succinct.

I had a guy who claimed to be a pilot(granted he only claims Cessna 172) who told me that Flight 77 could not have made the manouver because it dropped 7000 ft in 2.5 minutes and that is 2800 feet per second!!!

He had divided 7000 by 2.5 to get 2800. When I pointed out that there are 150 seconds in 2.5 minutes and that makes it 47 feet per second he changed the subject.

He also could not calulate the g forces claiming that flight 77 would have experienced 5 g in the turn it made. I calculated less than 1 g lateral and less than 1 g over normal gravity vertical force and asked him to check my figures. He couldn't.


I am also told that a 757 cannot exceed VMO, that the computer will not allow it. Anyone know if the computer will counter pilot commands and reduce power as Vmo is exceeded?

[beachnut]

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

I had a guy who claimed to be a pilot(granted he only claims Cessna 172) who told me that Flight 77 could not have made the manouver because it dropped 7000 ft in 2.5 minutes and that is 2800 feet per second!!!

He had divided 7000 by 2.5 to get 2800. When I pointed out that there are 150 seconds in 2.5 minutes and that makes it 47 feet per second he changed the subject.

He also could not calulate the g forces claiming that flight 77 would have experienced 5 g in the turn it made. I calculated less than 1 g lateral and less than 1 g over normal gravity vertical force and asked him to check my figures. He couldn't.


I am also told that a 757 cannot exceed VMO, that the computer will not allow it. Anyone know if the computer will counter pilot commands and reduce power as Vmo is exceeded?

The proof is seen on 9/11, a pilot can exceed speed limits by pushing up the power or lowering the nose. You could shut down the engines and still go faster by pointing the nose down.

You are right. Flight 77 was simple pilot stuff, lazy sloppy turn, a 2500 feet per minute descent. Too simple. these guys kept it simple until they had their targets made, then they pushed up the throttles and crashed. Most pilots will tell you it is simple to do what the terrorist did.

[Anti-sophist]

If anyone cares, the G forces are recorded in the FDR data, and none of it is even remotely abnormal. I can look it up later but I think the vertical G never gets about about 1.7 or 1.8. The latteral is even less interesting.