Card game is a smoking gun

MarkyX · 10th December 2006, 11:50 AM

Landing a new job at a recent game speciality store (with decent pay considering it's retail), I have studied a bit more on card games, board games, and so forth to perform better at my job.

One of the big name game publishers that has been in this industry for years is Steve Jackson games. I've heard of their games in the past, but never played with them. One game that recently got my attention was a game called Illuminati.

It's a card game where you play the role of a secret organization bent on world domination. We are talking things like bankers, the cthulu cult, and so forth. By taking the role of these elite organizations, the players fight each other to gain influence of various social groups, from political parties to social misfits.

One example is the Cthulu group controlling the democratic party, who then control anti-war group, who control the science fiction fans and the yuppers. Hopefully you can see why I am interested in such an oddball game

The major thing about this game is the history behind it. In 1990, Steve Jackson games was raided by the Secret Service for making this game. The SS thought SJ games had to deal with hacking, or at least what they claimed. SJ games won the lawsuit against the SS, but was nearly broke because of this outcome.

In 1995, SJ games released a collectable card game version of the Illuminati, called the "New World Order".

I stumbled onto this site when I tried to find more information on the card game. This was the second link on Google.

Someone out there is using this card game to expose "the new world order" and "9/11 being an inside job"

http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/ICG.html

beachnut · 10th December 2006, 11:52 AM

I now believe. It has to be cards, or was it backgammon?

JamesB · 10th December 2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Landing a new job at a recent game speciality store (with decent pay considering it's retail), I have studied a bit more on card games, board games, and so forth to perform better at my job.

One of the big name game publishers that has been in this industry for years is Steve Jackson games. I've heard of their games in the past, but never played with them. One game that recently got my attention was a game called Illuminati.

It's a card game where you play the role of a secret organization bent on world domination. We are talking things like bankers, the cthulu cult, and so forth. By taking the role of these elite organizations, the players fight each other to gain influence of various social groups, from political parties to social misfits.

One example is the Cthulu group controlling the democratic party, who then control anti-war group, who control the science fiction fans and the yuppers. Hopefully you can see why I am interested in such an oddball game

The major thing about this game is the history behind it. In 1990, Steve Jackson games was raided by the Secret Service for making this game. The SS thought SJ games had to deal with hacking, or at least what they claimed. SJ games won the lawsuit against the SS, but was nearly broke because of this outcome.

In 1995, SJ games released a collectable card game version of the Illuminati, called the "New World Order".

I stumbled onto this site when I tried to find more information on the card game. This was the second link on Google.

Someone out there is using this card game to expose "the new world order" and "9/11 being an inside job"

http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/ICG.html

Oh you know this game was just created as a COINTELPRO operation to get us used to the idea of a one world government, along with episodes of '24' and the "X-Files".

GlennB · 10th December 2006, 12:03 PM

I once got a raging clue while playing Cluedo.
I think Miss Scarlett was involved ...

ConspiRaider · 10th December 2006, 12:07 PM

Is this anything like Fizzbin?

That card game Koik made up in the Star Trek episode: A Piece Of The Action.

"Oh look, you got another BANK! How lucky, how wonderful for you! Now if you hadn't gotten a BANK, if you'd have gotten a KINGDOM instead, well then you'd have to give it back, except when it's dark on Tuesday! But what you're going for is a Royal Illuminati, now the odds on getting... Spock, what are the odds on getting a Royal Illuminati?"

"I have never computed them, Captain."

"Well, they're astronomical, believe me."

Brainster · 10th December 2006, 12:23 PM

There was a play-by-mail game of Illuminati as well; a Scottsdale-based company called Flying Buffalo administered it (although the license to run it has apparently expired). Basically you submitted sheets with orders on them and they would process the orders.

Dazed · 10th December 2006, 12:27 PM

You have to admit, this is pretty good.

R.Mackey · 10th December 2006, 01:00 PM

... by Argumentum ad Killtown:

From Woods and Rajter, "Exploding the Airliner Crash Myth," found here

Role-playing game by Steve Jackson Games, found here

Surprised? Don't be. After all, those of us in the NWO need ways to pass the time and take the edge off while we're plotting the death of millions...

All kidding aside, Steve Jackson has always made great stuff. Been a fan of his ever since "OGRE" c. 1984, and the seminal "Car Wars." Check him out.

Alt+F4 · 10th December 2006, 01:58 PM

In early 2001 Westwood Studies released a video game called Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. The advertising for the game showed an airplane headed directly for the WTC while the rest of the city explodes in the background. When I get my scanner fixed I'll post an imagine (pages 98-99 of the February 2001 edition of PC Gamer magazine). One of the missions in the game requires you to blow up the Pentagon.

How did Killtown miss this?

fuelair · 10th December 2006, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

In early 2001 Westwood Studies released a video game called Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. The advertising for the game showed an airplane headed directly for the WTC while the rest of the city explodes in the background. When I get my scanner fixed I'll post an imagine (pages 98-99 of the February 2001 edition of PC Gamer magazine). One of the missions in the game requires you to blow up the Pentagon.

How did Killtown miss this?

Same way he misses most stuff - basic incompetance, ignorance, inability to rationally interpret data inputs.

Ignignokt · 10th December 2006, 05:02 PM

Its a compelling presentation. I don't buy it. However it blows my "Monopoly was a government conspiracy to teach children greed" theory out of the water! By addicting youth to free enterprise and large sums of wealth communism would be out of the question here! (I wasn't serious)But this theory was must have been created by someone so much smarter than I, or someone who has much more time to waste than me.

W6102LA · 10th December 2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Card game is a smoking gun

Well i knew this would be on the cards

joobz · 10th December 2006, 06:29 PM

I thought the raid was for they're GURPS:cyberpunk edition. I always thought it was related to the government's heightened sensitivity to computer crimes during the whole Kevin Mitnick era.

Skibum · 10th December 2006, 06:36 PM

Another smoking gun?

This album along with the cover photo above was completed months before 9/11 and was due to be released not long after the attacks.

MarkyX · 10th December 2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by joobz

I thought the raid was for they're GURPS:cyberpunk edition. I always thought it was related to the government's heightened sensitivity to computer crimes during the whole Kevin Mitnick era.

Yes they did the raid the computers with GURPS Cyberpunk, but they also took the computers away that had the Illumanti BBS stuff.

joobz · 10th December 2006, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Yes they did the raid the computers with GURPS Cyberpunk, but they also took the computers away that had the Illumanti BBS stuff.

I was still roleplaying during that time. I remember arround the same time, shadowrun came out with some biotech book. I had a guy I was playing with trying to convince everyone that all the stuff in it is real and exists now. Besides being the dummest thing I had heard up to that point, I was looking at one of the pages that had a chemical structure for some "biotech agent". My head exploded when I saw it had a triple bonded hydrogen to carbon. I stopped role playing that same week.

Ersby · 12th December 2006, 04:26 AM

Of course, none of this explains chess. Are those rooks, or are they twin towers?

ZouPrime · 12th December 2006, 07:20 AM

I have Illuminati, and I play with friends every other months. It's a cool game, especially if you already have an "interest" (read: morbid fascination) for the world of conspiracy theory. The authors know pretty well the community, and the references are hilarous.

JonnyFive · 12th December 2006, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by JamesB

Oh you know this game was just created as a COINTELPRO operation to get us used to the idea of a one world government, along with episodes of '24' and the "X-Files".

I love those shows! Does that mean I'm particularly vulnerable to NWO influence?

10th December 2006, 11:50 AM	#1
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Card game is a smoking gun Landing a new job at a recent game speciality store (with decent pay considering it's retail), I have studied a bit more on card games, board games, and so forth to perform better at my job. One of the big name game publishers that has been in this industry for years is Steve Jackson games. I've heard of their games in the past, but never played with them. One game that recently got my attention was a game called Illuminati. It's a card game where you play the role of a secret organization bent on world domination. We are talking things like bankers, the cthulu cult, and so forth. By taking the role of these elite organizations, the players fight each other to gain influence of various social groups, from political parties to social misfits. One example is the Cthulu group controlling the democratic party, who then control anti-war group, who control the science fiction fans and the yuppers. Hopefully you can see why I am interested in such an oddball game The major thing about this game is the history behind it. In 1990, Steve Jackson games was raided by the Secret Service for making this game. The SS thought SJ games had to deal with hacking, or at least what they claimed. SJ games won the lawsuit against the SS, but was nearly broke because of this outcome. In 1995, SJ games released a collectable card game version of the Illuminati, called the "New World Order". I stumbled onto this site when I tried to find more information on the card game. This was the second link on Google. Someone out there is using this card game to expose "the new world order" and "9/11 being an inside job" http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/ICG.html
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10th December 2006, 11:52 AM	#3
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,136	Originally Posted by MarkyX Landing a new job at a recent game speciality store (with decent pay considering it's retail), I have studied a bit more on card games, board games, and so forth to perform better at my job. One of the big name game publishers that has been in this industry for years is Steve Jackson games. I've heard of their games in the past, but never played with them. One game that recently got my attention was a game called Illuminati. It's a card game where you play the role of a secret organization bent on world domination. We are talking things like bankers, the cthulu cult, and so forth. By taking the role of these elite organizations, the players fight each other to gain influence of various social groups, from political parties to social misfits. One example is the Cthulu group controlling the democratic party, who then control anti-war group, who control the science fiction fans and the yuppers. Hopefully you can see why I am interested in such an oddball game The major thing about this game is the history behind it. In 1990, Steve Jackson games was raided by the Secret Service for making this game. The SS thought SJ games had to deal with hacking, or at least what they claimed. SJ games won the lawsuit against the SS, but was nearly broke because of this outcome. In 1995, SJ games released a collectable card game version of the Illuminati, called the "New World Order". I stumbled onto this site when I tried to find more information on the card game. This was the second link on Google. Someone out there is using this card game to expose "the new world order" and "9/11 being an inside job" http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/ICG.html Oh you know this game was just created as a COINTELPRO operation to get us used to the idea of a one world government, along with episodes of '24' and the "X-Files".
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10th December 2006, 12:23 PM	#6
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,426	There was a play-by-mail game of Illuminati as well; a Scottsdale-based company called Flying Buffalo administered it (although the license to run it has apparently expired). Basically you submitted sheets with orders on them and they would process the orders.
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10th December 2006, 12:27 PM	#7
Dazed Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 586	You have to admit, this is pretty good.
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10th December 2006, 01:00 PM	#8
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 7,857	Further Proof of Steve Jackson's Involvement ... by Argumentum ad Killtown: From Woods and Rajter, "Exploding the Airliner Crash Myth," found here Role-playing game by Steve Jackson Games, found here Surprised? Don't be. After all, those of us in the NWO need ways to pass the time and take the edge off while we're plotting the death of millions... All kidding aside, Steve Jackson has always made great stuff. Been a fan of his ever since "OGRE" c. 1984, and the seminal "Car Wars." Check him out.

10th December 2006, 11:52 AM	#2
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,903	I now believe. It has to be cards, or was it backgammon?

10th December 2006, 12:03 PM	#4
GlennB Jellied eel and offal fancier Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arcadia Posts: 8,944	I once got a *raging* clue while playing Cluedo. I think Miss Scarlett was involved ...

10th December 2006, 12:07 PM	#5
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Is this anything like Fizzbin? That card game Koik made up in the Star Trek episode: A Piece Of The Action. "Oh look, you got another BANK! How lucky, how wonderful for you! Now if you hadn't gotten a BANK, if you'd have gotten a KINGDOM instead, well then you'd have to give it back, except when it's dark on Tuesday! But what you're going for is a Royal Illuminati, now the odds on getting... Spock, what are the odds on getting a Royal Illuminati?" "I have never computed them, Captain." "Well, they're astronomical, believe me."

10th December 2006, 01:58 PM	#9
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	In early 2001 Westwood Studies released a video game called Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. The advertising for the game showed an airplane headed directly for the WTC while the rest of the city explodes in the background. When I get my scanner fixed I'll post an imagine (pages 98-99 of the February 2001 edition of PC Gamer magazine). One of the missions in the game requires you to blow up the Pentagon. How did Killtown miss this?
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10th December 2006, 02:43 PM	#10
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,931	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 In early 2001 Westwood Studies released a video game called Command & Conquer: Red Alert 2. The advertising for the game showed an airplane headed directly for the WTC while the rest of the city explodes in the background. When I get my scanner fixed I'll post an imagine (pages 98-99 of the February 2001 edition of PC Gamer magazine). One of the missions in the game requires you to blow up the Pentagon. How did Killtown miss this? Same way he misses most stuff - basic incompetance, ignorance, inability to rationally interpret data inputs.
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10th December 2006, 05:02 PM	#11
Ignignokt Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Center Of the Moon Posts: 146	Its a compelling presentation. I don't buy it. However it blows my "Monopoly was a government conspiracy to teach children greed" theory out of the water! By addicting youth to free enterprise and large sums of wealth communism would be out of the question here! (I wasn't serious)But this theory was must have been created by someone so much smarter than I, or someone who has much more time to waste than me.
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10th December 2006, 06:19 PM	#12
W6102LA Thinker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 242	Quote: Card game is a smoking gun Well i knew this would be on the cards

10th December 2006, 06:29 PM	#13
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: That's how you get ants Posts: 17,496	I thought the raid was for they're GURPS:cyberpunk edition. I always thought it was related to the government's heightened sensitivity to computer crimes during the whole Kevin Mitnick era.
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10th December 2006, 06:36 PM	#14
Skibum Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia Posts: 1,184	Another smoking gun? This album along with the cover photo above was completed months before 9/11 and was due to be released not long after the attacks.

10th December 2006, 07:33 PM	#15
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Originally Posted by joobz I thought the raid was for they're GURPS:cyberpunk edition. I always thought it was related to the government's heightened sensitivity to computer crimes during the whole Kevin Mitnick era. Yes they did the raid the computers with GURPS Cyberpunk, but they also took the computers away that had the Illumanti BBS stuff.
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10th December 2006, 07:48 PM	#16
joobz Tergiversator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: That's how you get ants Posts: 17,496	Originally Posted by MarkyX Yes they did the raid the computers with GURPS Cyberpunk, but they also took the computers away that had the Illumanti BBS stuff. I was still roleplaying during that time. I remember arround the same time, shadowrun came out with some biotech book. I had a guy I was playing with trying to convince everyone that all the stuff in it is real and exists now. Besides being the dummest thing I had heard up to that point, I was looking at one of the pages that had a chemical structure for some "biotech agent". My head exploded when I saw it had a triple bonded hydrogen to carbon. I stopped role playing that same week.
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12th December 2006, 04:26 AM	#17
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12th December 2006, 07:20 AM	#18
ZouPrime Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Montreal Posts: 498	I have Illuminati, and I play with friends every other months. It's a cool game, especially if you already have an "interest" (read: morbid fascination) for the world of conspiracy theory. The authors know pretty well the community, and the references are hilarous.

12th December 2006, 07:34 AM	#19
JonnyFive Insurance Underwriter of Doom Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,473	Originally Posted by JamesB Oh you know this game was just created as a COINTELPRO operation to get us used to the idea of a one world government, along with episodes of '24' and the "X-Files". I love those shows! Does that mean I'm particularly vulnerable to NWO influence?
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