Barak Obama?

RandFan · 10th December 2006, 03:57 PM

Ok, it's early and the guy is relativly new on the scene but I think the he has something. I think he has a charisma and confidence that I've not seen in awhile. Who knows? I'd like to know more about his solutions.

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TheChadd · 10th December 2006, 04:05 PM

I've heard he's quite the conservative really, like a democratic Mccain?

hammegk · 10th December 2006, 04:07 PM

I've heard he's Clinton with a tan.

hgc · 10th December 2006, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by hammegk

I've heard he's Clinton with a tan.

I've heard you're a toad with a computer.

ponderingturtle · 10th December 2006, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheChadd

I've heard he's quite the conservative really, like a democratic Mccain?

Wouldn't that really mean just someone who is good at getting the other side to think that he agrees with them sometimes, but doesn't actualy hold anything in common with them?

Bill Thompson · 10th December 2006, 04:29 PM

Why do people like him? Is it because he is thin and good looking? Is that why most Americans follow a leader?

hgc · 10th December 2006, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Thompson

Why do people like him? Is it because he is thin and good looking? Is that why most Americans follow a leader?

Yeah, it's that. I sense that he makes people feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks, too.

Rob Lister · 10th December 2006, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by TheChadd

I've heard he's quite the conservative really, like a democratic Mccain?

Unless he's doing some serious pandering to a very left crowd, that video proves he is conservative polar opposite

RandFan · 10th December 2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Yeah, it's that. I sense that he makes people feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks, too.

It seems to be the hallmark of politicians. It would be nice if voters would focus on more substantive things but as AUP points out we have gotten to the point where politicians are most competent at getting elected.

corplinx · 10th December 2006, 05:15 PM

OBMAMA OBAMAMA OBAMA AHHHHHHHHH

Obama hype is hysterical and funny. He should make a go at it before he becomes an ex-phenomenon from too much Senate record.

hgc · 10th December 2006, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

It seems to be the hallmark of politicians. It would be nice if voters would focus on more substantive things but as AUP points out we have gotten to the point where politicians are most competent at getting elected.

And as I asked AUP in the other thread, when was this not the case?

joe1347 · 10th December 2006, 06:18 PM

Great. Another Northern Liberal. The perfect pick for Democrats in order to win in 2008 - and he's even Black. That will really help score even more votes from the rednecks.

Sorry, but the Democrats need more of a Murtha type. Only younger and without the ABSCAM baggage. Even better would be a non-Northeastern progressive tough guy that breathes a little fire instead of a namby pamby touchy feely Senate blowhard. As for who that is - I haven't a clue.

As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America.

hgc · 10th December 2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by joe1347

As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America.

The chatterers are talking him up for senate in Kentucky against McConnell in 2008.

BPSCG · 10th December 2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Wouldn't that really mean just someone who is good at getting the other side to think that he agrees with them sometimes, but doesn't actualy hold anything in common with them?

Mario Cuomo was a master at that, much to my late father's fury.

Obama had a 100% perfect voting record in 2005, according to Americans for Democratic Action.

McCain scored 5%. That's five point oh.

Yeah, Obama is about as conservative as McCain is liberal.

corplinx · 10th December 2006, 07:21 PM

Obmama 08!!1!!!!! Hes Just Sooooo Iduno, Awesome

davefoc · 10th December 2006, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by joe1347

As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America.

I was in a barber shop when he came on the TV. There were three women in the room and if he'd been willing and able it was pretty clear that he could have had sex three times right there. I am not quite sure I had ever observed such genuine lust for somebody on the TV. If these women were any example I'd say being single wasn't a requirement for Clooney to get women's votes.

I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good.

RandFan · 10th December 2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by davefoc

I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good.

There's a point there somewhere.

joe1347 · 10th December 2006, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by davefoc

I was in a barber shop when he came on the TV. There were three women in the room and if he'd been willing and able it was pretty clear that he could have had sex three times right there. I am not quite sure I had ever observed such genuine lust for somebody on the TV. If these women were any example I'd say being single wasn't a requirement for Clooney to get women's votes.

I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good.

Actually Clooney seems pretty sharp and surprisingly intelligent whenever I've seen him in 'unscripted' interviews. I believe that he even has a degree in Journalism. America could certainly do a lot worse than Clooney. Well I guess that we actually have.

What's funny is that whenever Clooney is scheduled to be on the air - the word seems to goes out from some sort of chick worldwide 'Clooney tracking system' and almost every woman in America is tuning in. Imagine the impact on a 'traditional' political campaign.

For another 'media type' of Presidential candidate - How about Ron Reagan Jr.? He's certainly has a very likeable on-the-air personality, seems very sharp, and will drive the conservatives nuts since how can they trash the son of their revered Icon (Ron Sr.).

steverino · 10th December 2006, 11:34 PM

Maybe Hillary spies are out there trying to dig up some dirt on Mr. Squeeky Clean Obama. I wonder if she is jealous.

...and I wonder what her peeps might find, true or trumped up.

RandFan · 10th December 2006, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by joe1347

Actually Clooney seems pretty sharp and surprisingly intelligent whenever I've seen him in 'unscripted' interviews. I believe that he even has a degree in Journalism. America could certainly do a lot worse than Clooney. Well I guess that we actually have.

What's funny is that whenever Clooney is scheduled to be on the air - the word seems to goes out from some sort of chick worldwide 'Clooney tracking system' and almost every woman in America is tuning in. Imagine the impact on a 'traditional' political campaign.

For another 'media type' of Presidential candidate - How about Ron Reagan Jr.? He's certainly has a very likeable on-the-air personality, seems very sharp, and will drive the conservatives nuts since how can they trash the son of their revered Icon (Ron Sr.).

Interesting, my son likes Ron Reagan Jr. I don't see anything particularly interesting. I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections.

steverino · 10th December 2006, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections.

Honest? Smart? Gently explain to your son that these two characteristics automatically rule out anyone voting for such a candidate.

Dave1001 · 11th December 2006, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by joe1347

The perfect pick for Democrats in order to win in 2008 - and he's even Black.

He's also white.

Dancing David · 11th December 2006, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

Ok, it's early and the guy is relativly new on the scene but I think the he has something. I think he has a charisma and confidence that I've not seen in awhile. Who knows? I'd like to know more about his solutions.

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I would say he is mostly a centrist democrat, of the old school, but he has a bent towards social justice and civil liberty.

I hope he does NOT run for president, i voted for him to be a Senator and I hope he serves his full term before trying to run.

Dancing David · 11th December 2006, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by joe1347

Great. Another Northern Liberal. The perfect pick for Democrats in order to win in 2008 - and he's even Black. That will really help score even more votes from the rednecks.

Sorry, but the Democrats need more of a Murtha type. Only younger and without the ABSCAM baggage. Even better would be a non-Northeastern progressive tough guy that breathes a little fire instead of a namby pamby touchy feely Senate blowhard. As for who that is - I haven't a clue.

As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America.

But then George wouldn't direct anymore

I think that Edwards and some other Southern Democrat are going to win the nomination, especialy a Blue Dog.

ponderingturtle · 11th December 2006, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Mario Cuomo was a master at that, much to my late father's fury.

Obama had a 100% perfect voting record in 2005, according to Americans for Democratic Action.

McCain scored 5%. That's five point oh.

Yeah, Obama is about as conservative as McCain is liberal.

But has he convinced the other party that he is a middle of the road type like McCain has been so effective in doing?

ponderingturtle · 11th December 2006, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

Interesting, my son likes Ron Reagan Jr. I don't see anything particularly interesting. I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections.

Being Honnest and Smart would seem to be two strikes against you in terms of getting elected.

Upchurch · 11th December 2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Rob Lister

Unless he's doing some serious pandering to a very left crowd, that video proves he is conservative polar opposite

I listened to it again and wrote down the issues he mentioned and whether he was pro or con. I ignored the purely Bush attacks as non-issues (every politician talks down his opponent).

Here's what I got on one pass:

against tax cuts for wealthy while none for middle to lower class
for health care
against No Child Left Behind (and funding thereof)
for catching OBL
for securing homeland and ports
for sticking to Geneva Convention
for minimum wage
for not forcing people who get sick into bankrupcy (I think that is reformed credit rules?)
for funding schools and college scholarships
for social security for the elderly

Some of those are definitely liberal, but a few are conservative positions

RandFan · 11th December 2006, 09:36 AM

I'll tell you who could get my vote. Someone who I thought would not put lackeys into important positions (See Browne). Damn that pisses me off.

ponderingturtle · 11th December 2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

I'll tell you who could get my vote. Someone who I thought would not put lackeys into important positions (See Browne). Damn that pisses me off.

How can you not? You think we should abolish political appointees in the government?

So they need to appoint people to run various government institutions, how do we determine if someone is a lackey or not?

BPSCG · 11th December 2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

for health care

As opposed to ... what? Letting sick people die?

Quote:

for catching OBL

As opposed to what? Killing him outright?

Quote:

for securing homeland and ports

Gee, I'm against that...

Quote:

for minimum wage

Um, is he for the minimum wage, or is he for raising it?

Quote:

for social security for the elderly

As opposed to what? Social Security for youth?

Quote:

Some of those are definitely liberal, but a few are conservative positions

No, it's more accurate to say that some of those are definitely liberal, but most of them are the equivalent of coming out in favor of mom and apple pie, and against puppy strangling. If there's a genuinely conservative position in there, I'd like to know what it is.

casebro · 11th December 2006, 09:55 AM

Sort of like the relationship of skirt height to the stock market, My theory is that the winner of all the recent (30 years?) elections has been the best looking one. Carter over ?, Reagan over ?, Bush 42 over Dukakis, Clinton over Bush 42, Bush 44 over Kerry. Obama over Hillary? slam dunk! Edwards? McCain? Condi is a shoe in, if Conservative Americans are not too racist.

Perot, or Nader? No chance!

RandFan · 11th December 2006, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

How can you not? You think we should abolish political appointees in the government?

I don't know what the answer is. I wish leaders wouldn't appoint lackeys. I wish lots of stuff. It's my god given right.

Quote:

So they need to appoint people to run various government institutions, how do we determine if someone is a lackey or not?

If the person appointed has no track record for doing what he or she was appointed to do and or can't answer basic questions central to their post then the person is likely a lackey. There should be SOME basis. I seen no reason whatsoever that Browne should have been given that appointment. It stinks of cronyism. Now Pelosi has chosen someone to chair the House Intelligence Committee who can't even answer basic questions about foreign intelligence. Helloooo....

Is this thing on?

senorpogo · 11th December 2006, 10:51 AM

His name sounds like he could be a Star Wars character, an old crony of Han's or something. If Billy Dee Williams saw Barak he may very well greet him by saying, "You old smuggler!"

corplinx · 11th December 2006, 11:07 AM

I tuned in to the Sultan of Vicodin (Rush Limbaugh) today while I was out at lunch. He seemed to have the same sense of this mindless Obama fever that I have. Is that a good thing or a bad thing when Rush Limbaugh agrees with your assessment of something?

LawnOven · 11th December 2006, 11:14 AM

You people crack me up.

corplinx · 11th December 2006, 11:20 AM

Obama seems:
fresh and untainted
young and exciting
a natural winner

I think that about sums up Obama fever, a mind virus born out of hope and emotion.

LawnOven · 11th December 2006, 11:22 AM

Also he has a 10 inch penis.

Trantor · 11th December 2006, 11:32 AM

I can see him as Hillary's VP running mate. It would make an interesting team. They are both from Chicago, but I'll take Chicago over Texas any day. Obama is an excellent speaker and he seems to be smart. Give him a few more years of experience(especially as VP) and he may be on his way toward being the first black President. 2008 should be very interesting indeed.

ponderingturtle · 11th December 2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by LawnOven

Also he has a 10 inch penis.

And what did you measure it with?

Upchurch · 11th December 2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

As opposed to ... what? Letting sick people die?

You either didn't watch the video or you have a bone to pick. I was summarizing with key words rather than writing out a transcript. If you didn't understand what he was saying, watch the vid.

Originally Posted by BPSCG

As opposed to what? Killing him outright?

As opposed, I imagine from the context, to letting him run around free for the last five years.

Originally Posted by BPSCG

Gee, I'm against that...

("that" being securing the homeland/ports)

Again, I took it to mean as opposed to merely giving it lip service and not actually doing anything about it.

10th December 2006, 04:05 PM	#2
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hammegk Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 8,422	I've heard he's Clinton with a tan.
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,016	Originally Posted by hammegk I've heard he's Clinton with a tan. I've heard you're a toad with a computer.
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ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by TheChadd I've heard he's quite the conservative really, like a democratic Mccain? Wouldn't that really mean just someone who is good at getting the other side to think that he agrees with them sometimes, but doesn't actualy hold anything in common with them?
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,016	Originally Posted by Bill Thompson Why do people like him? Is it because he is thin and good looking? Is that why most Americans follow a leader? Yeah, it's that. I sense that he makes people feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks, too.
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Rob Lister Suspended Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 8,523	Originally Posted by TheChadd I've heard he's quite the conservative really, like a democratic Mccain? Unless he's doing some serious pandering to a very left crowd, that video proves he is conservative polar opposite

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RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,286	Originally Posted by hgc Yeah, it's that. I sense that he makes people feel all warm and fuzzy when he speaks, too. It seems to be the hallmark of politicians. It would be nice if voters would focus on more substantive things but as AUP points out we have gotten to the point where politicians are most competent at getting elected.
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corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	OBMAMA OBAMAMA OBAMA AHHHHHHHHH Obama hype is hysterical and funny. He should make a go at it before he becomes an ex-phenomenon from too much Senate record.
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,016	Originally Posted by RandFan It seems to be the hallmark of politicians. It would be nice if voters would focus on more substantive things but as AUP points out we have gotten to the point where politicians are most competent at getting elected. And as I asked AUP in the other thread, when was this not the case?
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joe1347 Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 381	Great. Another Northern Liberal. The perfect pick for Democrats in order to win in 2008 - and he's even Black. That will really help score even more votes from the rednecks. Sorry, but the Democrats need more of a Murtha type. Only younger and without the ABSCAM baggage. Even better would be a non-Northeastern progressive tough guy that breathes a little fire instead of a namby pamby touchy feely Senate blowhard. As for who that is - I haven't a clue. As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America.
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,016	Originally Posted by joe1347 As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America. The chatterers are talking him up for senate in Kentucky against McConnell in 2008.
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BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Wouldn't that really mean just someone who is good at getting the other side to think that he agrees with them sometimes, but doesn't actualy hold anything in common with them? Mario Cuomo was a master at that, much to my late father's fury. Obama had a 100% perfect voting record in 2005, according to Americans for Democratic Action. McCain scored 5%. That's five point oh. Yeah, Obama is about as conservative as McCain is liberal.
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davefoc Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: orange country, california Posts: 7,255	Originally Posted by joe1347 As an alternative, too bad the Democrats haven't been able to recruit George Clooney - who would get the vote of every single woman in America. I was in a barber shop when he came on the TV. There were three women in the room and if he'd been willing and able it was pretty clear that he could have had sex three times right there. I am not quite sure I had ever observed such genuine lust for somebody on the TV. If these women were any example I'd say being single wasn't a requirement for Clooney to get women's votes. I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good.

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RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,286	Originally Posted by davefoc I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good. There's a point there somewhere.
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joe1347 Critical Thinker Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 381	Originally Posted by davefoc I was in a barber shop when he came on the TV. There were three women in the room and if he'd been willing and able it was pretty clear that he could have had sex three times right there. I am not quite sure I had ever observed such genuine lust for somebody on the TV. If these women were any example I'd say being single wasn't a requirement for Clooney to get women's votes. I noticed that there were some people lamenting the idea that the electorate is so gullible as to go for a well spoken, good looking guy without any other basis. I am not so sure this is such a bad thing. The electorate went for a marginally attractive, poorly spoken guy last time and the results don't seem to have been that good. Actually Clooney seems pretty sharp and surprisingly intelligent whenever I've seen him in 'unscripted' interviews. I believe that he even has a degree in Journalism. America could certainly do a lot worse than Clooney. Well I guess that we actually have. What's funny is that whenever Clooney is scheduled to be on the air - the word seems to goes out from some sort of chick worldwide 'Clooney tracking system' and almost every woman in America is tuning in. Imagine the impact on a 'traditional' political campaign. For another 'media type' of Presidential candidate - How about Ron Reagan Jr.? He's certainly has a very likeable on-the-air personality, seems very sharp, and will drive the conservatives nuts since how can they trash the son of their revered Icon (Ron Sr.).
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RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,286	Originally Posted by joe1347 Actually Clooney seems pretty sharp and surprisingly intelligent whenever I've seen him in 'unscripted' interviews. I believe that he even has a degree in Journalism. America could certainly do a lot worse than Clooney. Well I guess that we actually have. What's funny is that whenever Clooney is scheduled to be on the air - the word seems to goes out from some sort of chick worldwide 'Clooney tracking system' and almost every woman in America is tuning in. Imagine the impact on a 'traditional' political campaign. For another 'media type' of Presidential candidate - How about Ron Reagan Jr.? He's certainly has a very likeable on-the-air personality, seems very sharp, and will drive the conservatives nuts since how can they trash the son of their revered Icon (Ron Sr.). Interesting, my son likes Ron Reagan Jr. I don't see anything particularly interesting. I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections.
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steverino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 3,688	Originally Posted by RandFan I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections. Honest? Smart? Gently explain to your son that these two characteristics automatically rule out anyone voting for such a candidate.
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11th December 2006, 03:19 AM	#22
Dave1001 Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,717	Originally Posted by joe1347 The perfect pick for Democrats in order to win in 2008 - and he's even Black. He's also white.
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ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by BPSCG Mario Cuomo was a master at that, much to my late father's fury. Obama had a 100% perfect voting record in 2005, according to Americans for Democratic Action. McCain scored 5%. That's five point oh. Yeah, Obama is about as conservative as McCain is liberal. But has he convinced the other party that he is a middle of the road type like McCain has been so effective in doing?
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11th December 2006, 06:50 AM	#26
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by RandFan Interesting, my son likes Ron Reagan Jr. I don't see anything particularly interesting. I think he's honest and smart which in and of itself is very good but not the stuff of winning national elections. Being Honnest and Smart would seem to be two strikes against you in terms of getting elected.
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11th December 2006, 09:04 AM	#27
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Originally Posted by Rob Lister Unless he's doing some serious pandering to a very left crowd, that video proves he is conservative polar opposite I listened to it again and wrote down the issues he mentioned and whether he was pro or con. I ignored the purely Bush attacks as non-issues (every politician talks down his opponent). Here's what I got on one pass: against tax cuts for wealthy while none for middle to lower class for health care against No Child Left Behind (and funding thereof) for catching OBL for securing homeland and ports for sticking to Geneva Convention for minimum wage for not forcing people who get sick into bankrupcy (I think that is reformed credit rules?) for funding schools and college scholarships for social security for the elderly Some of those are definitely liberal, but a few are conservative positions

11th December 2006, 09:36 AM	#28
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,286	I'll tell you who could get my vote. Someone who I thought would not put lackeys into important positions (See Browne). Damn that pisses me off.
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11th December 2006, 09:39 AM	#29
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 26,432	Originally Posted by RandFan I'll tell you who could get my vote. Someone who I thought would not put lackeys into important positions (See Browne). Damn that pisses me off. How can you not? You think we should abolish political appointees in the government? So they need to appoint people to run various government institutions, how do we determine if someone is a lackey or not?
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11th December 2006, 09:43 AM	#30
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Upchurch for health care As opposed to ... what? Letting sick people die? Quote: for catching OBL As opposed to what? Killing him outright? Quote: for securing homeland and ports Gee, I'm against that... Quote: for minimum wage Um, is he for the minimum wage, or is he for *raising* it? Quote: for social security for the elderly As opposed to what? Social Security for youth? Quote: Some of those are definitely liberal, but a few are conservative positions No, it's more accurate to say that some of those are definitely liberal, but most of them are the equivalent of coming out in favor of mom and apple pie, and against puppy strangling. If there's a genuinely conservative position in there, I'd like to know what it is.
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11th December 2006, 09:55 AM	#31
casebro Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,795	Sort of like the relationship of skirt height to the stock market, My theory is that the winner of all the recent (30 years?) elections has been the best looking one. Carter over ?, Reagan over ?, Bush 42 over Dukakis, Clinton over Bush 42, Bush 44 over Kerry. Obama over Hillary? slam dunk! Edwards? McCain? Condi is a shoe in, if Conservative Americans are not too racist. Perot, or Nader? No chance!
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11th December 2006, 10:24 AM	#32
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,286	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle How can you not? You think we should abolish political appointees in the government? I don't know what the answer is. I wish leaders wouldn't appoint lackeys. I wish lots of stuff. It's my god given right. Quote: So they need to appoint people to run various government institutions, how do we determine if someone is a lackey or not? If the person appointed has no track record for doing what he or she was appointed to do and or can't answer basic questions central to their post then the person is likely a lackey. There should be SOME basis. I seen no reason whatsoever that Browne should have been given that appointment. It stinks of cronyism. Now Pelosi has chosen someone to chair the House Intelligence Committee who can't even answer basic questions about foreign intelligence. Helloooo.... Is this thing on?
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11th December 2006, 10:51 AM	#33
senorpogo Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,094	His name sounds like he could be a Star Wars character, an old crony of Han's or something. If Billy Dee Williams saw Barak he may very well greet him by saying, "You old smuggler!"

11th December 2006, 11:07 AM	#34
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	I tuned in to the Sultan of Vicodin (Rush Limbaugh) today while I was out at lunch. He seemed to have the same sense of this mindless Obama fever that I have. Is that a good thing or a bad thing when Rush Limbaugh agrees with your assessment of something?
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11th December 2006, 11:14 AM	#35
LawnOven robot Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,306	You people crack me up.
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11th December 2006, 11:20 AM	#36
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Obama seems: fresh and untainted young and exciting a natural winner I think that about sums up Obama fever, a mind virus born out of hope and emotion.
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11th December 2006, 11:22 AM	#37
LawnOven robot Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,306	Also he has a 10 inch penis.
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