Deniers Turning On Dr Jones

Brainster · 15th December 2006, 10:54 AM

Ah the paranoia is finally catching up! Check out this thread on Democratic Underground; it seems likely that this meme (absurd as it is) will catch on with the 9-11 nutbars:

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When Oct posters tried to discredit Jones by connecting him with Cold Fusion I thought that he had been a proponent of it. I also thought that conventional wisdom had shown cold fusion to be "kooky" science. After watching this video I see that there is no consensus on whether cold fusion research should be continued or not. That isn't what I am posting this for, though. The role Jones played in cold fusion was to put out results which he claimed disproved the Pons Fleischman research that had been going on for years. What bothers me about this is he was acting, according to this , on a tip from an "informant" at the DOE (Department of Energy). The DOE was, it appears, representing the interests of energy companies, of course, who did not want a source of cheap energy known. The movement against CF, in fact, seems to be driven by corporations and their pals in the government & Universities. So, could Steven Jones be a government operative or acting on the behalf of the powers that be? Making a name for himself in 9-11 only to be "disproven" later? How is he supporting himself? I don't trust his opponents at Scholars for Truth, either with their "Space beam weapons", I wonder about the legitimacy of the whole group , it is like a script, form two groups and divide which was exactly what we were told would happen. I was kind of mad at Spooked when he posted the anti-Jones thread and now, belatedly I'm seeing the point.

Steven Jones, conspiring with the oil companies to keep cheap energy away from us? You can see how the Deniers could incorporate that easily into their paranoid worldview. More important, there's a video with a catchy name: Heavy Watergate. It's hilarious from our standpoint, but will probably prove compelling to the kooks. Jones pops up in the movie at about 11:40. If you've read Bad Science, you'll be quite amused at the characterization. For example, it is claimed that Jones learned about Pons & Fleishmann's work from "an informant at the DOE". Of course, in Bad Science this "informant" turns out to be the guy in charge of research grants, and the reason he sent the info to Jones is because Jones was already working in the field and was probably the best man to judge the validity of the work.

The no-planers are also busy attacking Jones as well. Nico Haupt tries to tie him to the murder of a cold fusion proponent. Of course, the murder in question was actually committed by a pair of crackheads, but you know the CT response to that: They were patsies.

Note: If you read 9-11 Blogger, you will see a lot of support for Jones over there. I am not sure if this is Jones' last redoubt or if he is still considered the rock star of the movement.

uk_dave · 15th December 2006, 11:00 AM

Pdoh will not be happy.

defaultdotxbe · 15th December 2006, 11:20 AM

i did a bit of research into jone work on cold fusion

it seems to was centered around muon-catalyzed fusion, which, interesting, IS cold fusion, it is verifiable and replicatable

HOWEVER, muons are very costly (energy-wise) to produce, and a bit unstable in the catalyzing fusion (they tend to bond with the hydrogen nuclei and stop fusion as often as they catalyze it) so given that, the net energy of muon-catalyzed fusion is usually zero

as a scientific curiosity, its great
as cold fusion, its fact
as a source of energy, it sucks

Loss Leader · 15th December 2006, 09:25 PM

The Tr00ther movement is sort of like having a symposium for hermits. Teamwork is anathema to their very nature.

Zep · 16th December 2006, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

The Tr00ther movement is sort of like having a symposium for hermits. Teamwork is anathema to their very nature.

...and no-one cares when or where it is at. And it stinks all the time, anyway.

Orphia Nay · 16th December 2006, 08:20 PM

Thanks for the informative OP, Brainster. Thanks for the cold fusion summary, too, defaultdotxbe.

Originally Posted by Brainster

The no-planers are also busy attacking Jones as well. Nico Haupt tries to tie him to the murder of a cold fusion proponent. Of course, the murder in question was actually committed by a pair of crackheads, but you know the CT response to that: They were patsies.

Bwahahaha! That wouldn't have anything to do with Jones' Journal of 9/11 Studies publishing this article: A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories (by Eric Salter). Nothing to do with that at all. No siree, Bob.

yodaluver28 · 16th December 2006, 08:36 PM

I honestly can't believe that there are still people dumb enough to think that there were no planes at the WTC. While I think that people who don't believe that there were real commercial jetliners at the Pentagon or Shanksville are wrong too, but given how obsessed some people are about having to see things for themselves, I'm not shocked that some doubt their existence. But we all saw Flight 175 hit WTC2, in real time, on international live TV while thousands saw it firsthand. To think that everyone is lying, being threatened, or was fooled by super-duper hologram technology that doesn't exist yet is beyond paranoid and circling the drain into the abyss of insanity.

Unfit4Command · 17th December 2006, 12:50 AM

Well that's too bad. Scholars for Truth will be taking a pretty big beating now.

I still can't believe how much Jones distorts the events of 9/11 after seeing a few slides from his presentations and hearing some of what he says. Especially about WTC 7 and the whole Thermite idea.

15th December 2006, 10:54 AM	#1
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,410	Deniers Turning On Dr Jones Ah the paranoia is finally catching up! Check out this thread on Democratic Underground; it seems likely that this meme (absurd as it is) will catch on with the 9-11 nutbars: Quote: When Oct posters tried to discredit Jones by connecting him with Cold Fusion I thought that he had been a proponent of it. I also thought that conventional wisdom had shown cold fusion to be "kooky" science. After watching this video I see that there is no consensus on whether cold fusion research should be continued or not. That isn't what I am posting this for, though. The role Jones played in cold fusion was to put out results which he claimed disproved the Pons Fleischman research that had been going on for years. What bothers me about this is he was acting, according to this , on a tip from an "informant" at the DOE (Department of Energy). The DOE was, it appears, representing the interests of energy companies, of course, who did not want a source of cheap energy known. The movement against CF, in fact, seems to be driven by corporations and their pals in the government & Universities. So, could Steven Jones be a government operative or acting on the behalf of the powers that be? Making a name for himself in 9-11 only to be "disproven" later? How is he supporting himself? I don't trust his opponents at Scholars for Truth, either with their "Space beam weapons", I wonder about the legitimacy of the whole group , it is like a script, form two groups and divide which was exactly what we were told would happen. I was kind of mad at Spooked when he posted the anti-Jones thread and now, belatedly I'm seeing the point. Steven Jones, conspiring with the oil companies to keep cheap energy away from us? You can see how the Deniers could incorporate that easily into their paranoid worldview. More important, there's a video with a catchy name: Heavy Watergate. It's hilarious from our standpoint, but will probably prove compelling to the kooks. Jones pops up in the movie at about 11:40. If you've read Bad Science, you'll be quite amused at the characterization. For example, it is claimed that Jones learned about Pons & Fleishmann's work from "an informant at the DOE". Of course, in Bad Science this "informant" turns out to be the guy in charge of research grants, and the reason he sent the info to Jones is because Jones was already working in the field and was probably the best man to judge the validity of the work. The no-planers are also busy attacking Jones as well. Nico Haupt tries to tie him to the murder of a cold fusion proponent. Of course, the murder in question was actually committed by a pair of crackheads, but you know the CT response to that: They were patsies. Note: If you read 9-11 Blogger, you will see a lot of support for Jones over there. I am not sure if this is Jones' last redoubt or if he is still considered the rock star of the movement.
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15th December 2006, 11:00 AM	#2
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15th December 2006, 11:20 AM	#3
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	i did a bit of research into jone work on cold fusion it seems to was centered around muon-catalyzed fusion, which, interesting, IS cold fusion, it is verifiable and replicatable HOWEVER, muons are very costly (energy-wise) to produce, and a bit unstable in the catalyzing fusion (they tend to bond with the hydrogen nuclei and stop fusion as often as they catalyze it) so given that, the net energy of muon-catalyzed fusion is usually zero as a scientific curiosity, its great as cold fusion, its fact as a source of energy, it sucks
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15th December 2006, 09:25 PM	#4
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16th December 2006, 02:59 AM	#5
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by Loss Leader The Tr00ther movement is sort of like having a symposium for hermits. Teamwork is anathema to their very nature. ...and no-one cares when or where it is at. And it stinks all the time, anyway.
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16th December 2006, 08:20 PM	#6
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,348	Thanks for the informative OP, Brainster. Thanks for the cold fusion summary, too, defaultdotxbe. Originally Posted by Brainster The no-planers are also busy attacking Jones as well. Nico Haupt tries to tie him to the murder of a cold fusion proponent. Of course, the murder in question was actually committed by a pair of crackheads, but you know the CT response to that: They were patsies. Bwahahaha! That wouldn't have anything to do with Jones' Journal of 9/11 Studies publishing this article: A Critical Review of WTC 'No Plane' Theories (by Eric Salter). Nothing to do with that at all. No siree, Bob.
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16th December 2006, 08:36 PM	#7
yodaluver28 Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 322	I honestly can't believe that there are still people dumb enough to think that there were no planes at the WTC. While I think that people who don't believe that there were real commercial jetliners at the Pentagon or Shanksville are wrong too, but given how obsessed some people are about having to see things for themselves, I'm not shocked that some doubt their existence. But we all saw Flight 175 hit WTC2, in real time, on international live TV while thousands saw it firsthand. To think that everyone is lying, being threatened, or was fooled by super-duper hologram technology that doesn't exist yet is beyond paranoid and circling the drain into the abyss of insanity.

17th December 2006, 12:50 AM	#8
Unfit4Command Muse Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 730	Well that's too bad. Scholars for Truth will be taking a pretty big beating now. I still can't believe how much Jones distorts the events of 9/11 after seeing a few slides from his presentations and hearing some of what he says. Especially about WTC 7 and the whole Thermite idea.
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