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MickinEngland · 26th December 2006, 11:30 AM

Can we really dismiss Jesus of Nazareth out of hand?
His credentials seem to be pretty good..
For a start his arrival was foretold centuries before just as he said, - "All things about me in the law of Moses,the Prophets and the Psalms,must be fulfilled" (Luke 24:44)

And when he arrived he didn't skulk in some underground hideout, he travelled all over Israel for 3 long years in front of the people and the occupying Roman Army, that's a lot of eyewitnesses - "I've spoken openly to the world..I said nothing in secret" (John 18:20)

And "Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25) and saw him curing illnesses, raising the dead and speaking of love and kindness and decency in an easy simple way - "And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37)
And he pulled crowds of over 4000 and 5000 at two gigs alone (Matt 15:32, Matt 14:13)

He said straight out he was the Messiah, the Christ, the Superprophet and the Son of God (John 4:26, Matt 16:17,Mark 14:62)
And God himself said - "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

In the end the stuffy priests got fed up with him because he said things to them such as - "Prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you!" (Matt 21:32), and no way were they going to put up with a young 30 year old carpenter from out of town talking to them like that.
So they killed him..
Later the gospels were written with help from "eyewitnesses and ministers of the word" (Luke 1:2)

Even the Koran written some 600 years later dare not deny Jesus was something special:- "Allah.. exalted some messengers above others and gave miracles to Jesus the son of Mary and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253)
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Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 26th December 2006, 11:36 AM

Whatever credibility Christ has, he got it from the Bible. Quoting the Bible does not increase his credibility from its baseline level.

~~ Paul

Ducky · 26th December 2006, 01:25 PM

What kind of credibility is strret?

CLINT EASTWOOD IS THE ONE TRUE GOD! REPENT AND BE SAVED IN THE ACTOR, THE DIRECTOR AND THE HOLY PRODUCER!

Mick has said it himself! Clint Eastwood is GOD!

KingMerv00 · 26th December 2006, 01:32 PM

I reject your original (unspoken) premise that the Bible is a source of accurate information.

slingblade · 27th December 2006, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by MickinEngland

[size=2]Can we really dismiss Jesus of Nazareth out of hand?

Who is this "we?"

Anyway, I didn't dismiss Jesus out of hand. I had lots of reasons.

Like you. You, personally, made me an atheist. It was primarily your fault.
I hope you can live with that on your conscience. And to think: if it hadn't been for you, I'd be on my way to heaven with the others. But no. You had to come along and ruin it all, didn't you?

I'll never forget this.

AZAtheist · 27th December 2006, 07:56 PM

"The Myth of Nazareth: The Invented Town of Jesus" by Rene Salm reviewed in the November/December 2006 issue of American Atheist talks about the history of Nazareth. According to the archaeological evidence, Nazareth was uninhabited during the time of Jesus. Evidence exists that people started to return to the Nazareth Basin during the first and second Jewish Revolts (70-130 CE). Nazareth (alternately called Japhia) had been destroyed and abandoned in 730 BCE.

26th December 2006, 11:30 AM	#1
MickinEngland Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 153	Strret Cred Can we really dismiss Jesus of Nazareth out of hand? His credentials seem to be pretty good.. For a start his arrival was foretold centuries before just as he said, - "All things about me in the law of Moses,the Prophets and the Psalms,must be fulfilled" (Luke 24:44) And when he arrived he didn't skulk in some underground hideout, he travelled all over Israel for 3 long years in front of the people and the occupying Roman Army, that's a lot of eyewitnesses - "I've spoken openly to the world..I said nothing in secret" (John 18:20) And "Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25) and saw him curing illnesses, raising the dead and speaking of love and kindness and decency in an easy simple way - "And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37) And he pulled crowds of over 4000 and 5000 at two gigs alone (Matt 15:32, Matt 14:13) He said straight out he was the Messiah, the Christ, the Superprophet and the Son of God (John 4:26, Matt 16:17,Mark 14:62) And God himself said - "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, listen to him" (Matt 17:5) In the end the stuffy priests got fed up with him because he said things to them such as - "Prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you!" (Matt 21:32), and no way were they going to put up with a young 30 year old carpenter from out of town talking to them like that. So they killed him.. Later the gospels were written with help from "eyewitnesses and ministers of the word" (Luke 1:2) Even the Koran written some 600 years later dare not deny Jesus was something special:- "Allah.. exalted some messengers above others and gave miracles to Jesus the son of Mary and strengthened him with the holy spirit" (Koran 2:253) ---------------------------------------------
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26th December 2006, 11:36 AM	#2
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Nap, interrupted. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: a little toolshed Posts: 18,634	Whatever credibility Christ has, he got it from the Bible. Quoting the Bible does not increase his credibility from its baseline level. ~~ Paul
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26th December 2006, 01:32 PM	#4
KingMerv00 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA...USA Posts: 14,482	I reject your original (unspoken) premise that the Bible is a source of accurate information.
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27th December 2006, 03:29 AM	#5
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Originally Posted by MickinEngland [size=2]Can we really dismiss Jesus of Nazareth out of hand? Who is this "we?" Anyway, I didn't dismiss Jesus out of hand. I had lots of reasons. Like you. You, personally, made me an atheist. It was primarily your fault. I hope you can live with that on your conscience. And to think: if it hadn't been for you, I'd be on my way to heaven with the others. But no. You had to come along and ruin it all, didn't you? I'll never forget this.
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642

26th December 2006, 01:25 PM	#3
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	What kind of credibility is strret? CLINT EASTWOOD IS THE ONE TRUE GOD! REPENT AND BE SAVED IN THE ACTOR, THE DIRECTOR AND THE HOLY PRODUCER! Mick has said it himself! Clint Eastwood is GOD!

27th December 2006, 07:56 PM	#6
AZAtheist Thinker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tucson, Arizona Posts: 225	"The Myth of Nazareth: The Invented Town of Jesus" by Rene Salm reviewed in the November/December 2006 issue of American Atheist talks about the history of Nazareth. According to the archaeological evidence, Nazareth was uninhabited during the time of Jesus. Evidence exists that people started to return to the Nazareth Basin during the first and second Jewish Revolts (70-130 CE). Nazareth (alternately called Japhia) had been destroyed and abandoned in 730 BCE.