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Old 7th May 2012, 07:23 PM   #4601
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Originally Posted by Deacondark View Post
No way is that bigfoot poo: it's way too in focus.
Well.. yes.. and where are the undigested zagnut wrappers !?
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Old 7th May 2012, 07:45 PM   #4602
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot View Post
An ushanka fur hat alien. Or the ghost of Gerald Ford.
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Old 7th May 2012, 07:52 PM   #4603
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Originally Posted by HarryHenderson View Post
An ushanka fur hat alien. Or the ghost of Gerald Ford.
Oh.. even I dont know how to respond to that !.. The face shrunk... something ?
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It's obviously a troll turd
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Old 7th May 2012, 08:01 PM   #4605
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It's obviously a troll turd
What gives it away ? Is there Billy Goat DNA involved ?
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:41 AM   #4606
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Deacondark wins.
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:52 AM   #4607
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Not poo... fungi.
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Old 8th May 2012, 06:12 PM   #4608
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You guys are something else if not.. um.. no you guys are interesting if not something else ?
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My wife's grandfather made some birch syrup and also made some poplar syrup back in the mid-80s. It was pretty decent.
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Old 9th May 2012, 12:33 PM   #4610
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well, since you don't know what pooped it, must have been a bigfoot. send it off to a DNA lab today and maybe your kids will still be alive when the results get published.
You mean Big Foot will actually go after your whole family Tony Soprano style if you take his poo?

I mean, I could understand how he would be upset if you took his Beef Jerky but.... poo?

Wow....
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Old 9th May 2012, 02:32 PM   #4611
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"kids still be alive"....that refers to the time frame it takes for certain DNA labs to get results back to the sender. You won't see the day but maybe your kids will still be around.
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Old 9th May 2012, 05:35 PM   #4612
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Originally Posted by parnassus View Post
"kids still be alive"....that refers to the time frame it takes for certain DNA labs to get results back to the sender. You won't see the day but maybe your kids will still be around.
You do realize that my post was sarcastic right?

See ...
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Old 9th May 2012, 07:25 PM   #4613
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Originally Posted by not_so_new View Post
You do realize that my post was sarcastic right?

See ...
I love sarcasm !

Meanwhile.. and for some reason ?

I have still not seen BigFoot.
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Originally Posted by AttorneyTom View Post
I love sarcasm !

Meanwhile.. and for some reason ?

I have still not seen BigFoot.
Go into the woods with pancakes, pork and beans, and zagnut bars.

Place these items on a handy stump.

Back off about 100 yards.

Squint while observing the stump.
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Old 10th May 2012, 05:37 AM   #4616
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Go into the woods with pancakes, pork and beans, and zagnut bars.

Place these items on a handy stump.

Back off about 100 yards.

Squint while observing the stump.
This is you LTCK8:



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Old 10th May 2012, 11:41 AM   #4617
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I learned something on BFF today.

Bigfoot doesn't care about giant snakes, because it knows the snake can't eat him.

So I drew this to illustrate my counterargument.

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Old 10th May 2012, 05:52 PM   #4618
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
I learned something on BFF today.

Bigfoot doesn't care about giant snakes, because it knows the snake can't eat him.

So I drew this to illustrate my counterargument.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8926/reticvsbf.th.jpg
I like where her elbow is lining up , Drew

Florida "Swamp Ape" vs. the African Rock Python hybrid . Should make for an all new episode on..... Animal Planet.
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Old 11th May 2012, 08:26 AM   #4619
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http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tpwd-bigfoot/

This article should be titled:

Cryptomundo Wastes Public Employees' Time With Bigfoot Questions
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Old 11th May 2012, 08:39 AM   #4620
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Yes it's a waste of their time but hopefully they got a good laugh out of the whole thing.

I'll bet those letters were edited a few times before they were sent. The original drafts were probably a real hoot.
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Old 11th May 2012, 09:32 AM   #4621
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"Habituator'/"researcher" Chris Noel, inspired by the success of Bill Munns at Kickstarter, wants America and ships at sea to buy him a new toy. All in the interest of syence and protecting the big fella, of course.
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Old 11th May 2012, 12:50 PM   #4622
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From one of the Texas letters:

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I’ve come close to an actual sighting of this species myself
Electrifying testimony.
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Old 12th May 2012, 05:03 PM   #4623
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John Scharf, the guy who sent the letter to Texas about the Bigfoot kill policy, is harassing me on Facebook and the blog post calling me a liar. I made all the corrections he requested and apologized for the errors. But he is... uh... well, see for yourself.

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I commented....couldn't resist it
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Old 12th May 2012, 05:26 PM   #4625
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YEAH, dude! And I had to trash it because you used ad hominem arguments. Calling him a bozo? NOT the help I needed.
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Help? he's a bozo, these people are crazy or conmen and they need to be put in their place and outed as such so they don't spread their disease to the unknowing public
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Old 12th May 2012, 05:32 PM   #4627
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He's already threatening me with legal action. And the Doubtful News comment policy does not allow name calling.

Problem with America, land of free speech-- We are too damn litigious.
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I agree on the litigation thing..... dueling pistols was better.......

One can usually spot the crackpots by their threatening to sue. He has no case, it's just all bluster , trying to get his way. I would ban him for making such threats as any thing else you say to each other could be construed as commenting on said litigation.....
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I have set him on moderate so I decide to post his comments or not. But I tried to placate him privately on FB DM. I mean, FOX News isn't going to clear his name, he has a perfectly good opportunity to state his case on the DN blog but instead he demands a formal written apology?

I think I was fair. I showed everyone exactly what happened. Transparency... not coverup.
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I have set him on moderate so I decide to post his comments or not. But I tried to placate him privately on FB DM. I mean, FOX News isn't going to clear his name, he has a perfectly good opportunity to state his case on the DN blog but instead he demands a formal written apology?

I think I was fair. I showed everyone exactly what happened. Transparency... not coverup.
He's not going to sue you. period. end of story. fuhgettaboutit. You have already done your responsibility. Brush him off. Tell him you have legal counsel and he should contact an attorney for legal advice.
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I agree on the litigation thing..... dueling pistols was better.......

One can usually spot the crackpots by their threatening to sue. He has no case, it's just all bluster , trying to get his way. I would ban him for making such threats as any thing else you say to each other could be construed as commenting on said litigation.....
More of a blade guy myself, katanas or rapiers at dawn.
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I am not particularly worried about that. I do have some means at my disposal but he has no case.

Especially after his facebook message harassment that I saved where he calls me "uncouth, illiterate and obnoxious".

However, I just got tired of fighting the battle with these creeps and took down some posts. (I'm actually referring to the more popular BE blog which enjoys putting various POVs up like a piñata to swipe at.) I'm just going to tweet their antics as "silly" if the mood strikes me and refrain from extraneous commentary.

Really, I can just give them rope and they hang themselves. I've learned a lot in this experiment.
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http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/tpwd-bigfoot/
This article should be titled:
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First sentence, "With all of the recent controversy about Killing a Bigfoot in Texas..."
Where the **** have I been? While not of Kitakaze's or Parcher's caliber in things Bigfooty, I do read this board regularly and generally pay enough attention to 'things Bigfooty' to at least qualify as a Bigfoot 'commenter', but...WHAT Bigfoot killing controversy? I've never heard of it.
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It is a long short story.

The silly thing about the "hubub" is that it all seems pretty much meaningless and created a nice controversy for the footers to grab on to and hug. Another non-issue to become an issue. Another layer in the realm of it all.
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Something I had not yet considered until now is : Do they ever find human skeletal remains in the forests of the PNW? Wouldn't the acidic soils and perpetual humidity render these remains to nothingness in just a matter of days too?

It seems to me, that if local law enforcement has discovered skeletal remains years afterwards (buried or not) this would put the whole "Bigfoots remains are broken down by nature" theory to bed.
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Skeletal remains turn up in the PNW all the time, after years of being lost or buried. The Green River victims' remains have survived quite long times in the forests. It was last year, or the year before, yet another victim's skeletal remains turned up when we had a mudslide just east of Milton. The acidic soils and perpetual wetness didn't do away with that skeleton, nor many of the others that had been buried or discarded years before. So yeah, the idea of nature erasing bigfoot remains so completely has never been a viable excuse for having no bigfoot remains.
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somebody should go bring this up on the BFF and watch the squirming ensue
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somebody should go bring this up on the BFF and watch the squirming ensue
I looked everywhere I went this past weekend.. and I still have not seen one. Although I did notice a pair of Cardinals nesting in my bushes at home (two little white eggs) ?
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somebody should go bring this [human skeletal remains last a long time in the PNW] up on the BFF and watch the squirming ensue
There's no squirming. I have on several occasions obliterated the 'footer special pleadings regarding the lack of bigfoot fossils or recent remains. It doesn't matter what you present, there's a core of fervent belief in bigfoot that will always find some way to cast bigfoot as "different" so they convince themselves that your examples don't apply. Remember, there are many BFFers who cling to this notion that scientists can't find bigfoot fossils because bigfoots bury their dead. Talk about a non-sequitur!
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Doesn't this help us infer the physiology of bigfoot bones? If they are composed of marshmallows they aren't going to last long.
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