[Moderated] Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one? - Page 81

Óðinn · 10th October 2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Here we go. I just made this after finding another Crew cast. Besides looking slightly different than the press photo cast it appears painted or glazed. It came from Swastika Steve's blog.

You can see the double ball and other similar features. It looks like somebody made some modifications to a Wallace footprint. That does make sense because Jerry Crew was at the Ray Wallace worksite.

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/93b52565.jpg

How do you know that Wallace didn't pick up the "double ball" feature from the Crew print?

Skeptical Greg · 10th October 2010, 04:36 PM

Where did WP rule out that possibility ?

Do you think it is more likely the Crew print was made by a Bigfoot ?

William Parcher · 10th October 2010, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Do you think it is more likely the Crew print was made by a Bigfoot ?

Of course not. Óðinn/Gigantofootecus does not believe that Bigfoot exists.

Originally Posted by Óðinn

How do you know that Wallace didn't pick up the "double ball" feature from the Crew print?

That's the wrong question and only one that a puddinghead Bigfoot believer would ask; not you. The real question is whether Rant Mullins did the carvings for Ray Wallace. Are we really talking about Mullins Alderfoots?

parnassus · 11th October 2010, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Out of 33 nations measured by the OECD, the U.S. ranks 27th for student math literacy and 22nd for student science literacy.

...

Volsquatch · 12th October 2010, 10:21 AM

More "evidence" of the elusive creature - a Big foot is commanded to "jar the ground" in this video clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQGSsI87kA

parnassus · 12th October 2010, 01:16 PM

how many ape/bigfoot costumes are there in the US and how will they be used?

William Parcher · 13th October 2010, 08:39 AM

"Bigfoot Cousins Claimed in Many Countries" by Benjamin Radford.

Quote:

While Bigfoot is by far the best-known of mysterious bipedal creatures said to inhabit the world's wilds, it is far from the only one. Many countries and cultures have stories of hairy, feral man-like creatures.

Canada's Sasquatch
Nepal's Yeti
Australia's Yowie
Indonesia's Orang Pendek

What about Russia's Almas or Almasty?

Vortigern99 · 13th October 2010, 10:06 AM

What about Britain's Wild Herdsman, the black giant who in Welsh legend is the guardian of the beasts of the forest?

Clearly a bigfoot.

William Parcher · 13th October 2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

What about Britain's Wild Herdsman...

He doesn't count if nobody made plaster casts of his footprints. As soon as that happens he's in the club.

Vortigern99 · 13th October 2010, 10:58 AM

Well, if that's your snobby elitist criteria, then fine, okay, sure.

But there are certainly stories about British bigfoot(s).

The last one has a picture of what looks like an Australopithecus wearing a furry diaper. If that doesn't constitute evidence of the kind required to get into the "club", then I don't know what to tell you.

parnassus · 13th October 2010, 11:36 AM

rare sumatran tiger photographed by trailcam.

Vortigern99 · 13th October 2010, 11:40 AM

EL Fudge photographed presenting new Elf-shaped cookies.

Apologies to the regulars. I'm in a weird mood.

LTC8K6 · 13th October 2010, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

EL Fudge photographed presenting new Elf-shaped cookies.

Apologies to the regulars. I'm in a weird mood.

Mmmm...chocolate flavored tracks.

Óðinn · 13th October 2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

That's the wrong question and only one that a puddinghead Bigfoot believer would ask; not you. The real question is whether Rant Mullins did the carvings for Ray Wallace. Are we really talking about Mullins Alderfoots?

It's a perfectly legit question. The Crew prints were superior, IMO, than the Wallace feet. IOW, Wallace likely didn't create them. Yet they share the double ball feature. Whutup with that? Coincidence? They pre-dated the Wallace feet that we have identified so maybe Mullins is the true inventor of bigfoot. At any rate, Wallace doesn't appear to be the inventor of the double balled bigfoot, IMO.

William Parcher · 14th October 2010, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Óðinn

The Crew prints were superior, IMO, than the Wallace feet.

1) Prints as in plural? You know of more than one Crew print?

2) Superior in what way? They look more like a Bigfoot made them?

Quote:

IOW, Wallace likely didn't create them. Yet they share the double ball feature. Whutup with that? Coincidence? They pre-dated the Wallace feet that we have identified so maybe Mullins is the true inventor of bigfoot. At any rate, Wallace doesn't appear to be the inventor of the double balled bigfoot, IMO.

The print in the 1930 photo bears a strong resemblance to what we call a Wallace Alderfoot. It may even have a double-ball. I think it's shaped like an upside-down bowling pin. It has an unnatural symmetry.

I don't know if there is evidence or testimony (from his family) that Wallace certainly did carve wooden feet as opposed to received them from Mullins. I think Wallace was not sharing every detail (if any) of his Bigfoot hoaxing with his family. From what I gather, he died without ever confessing to anyone about his hoaxing. It was after he died that his family found the wooden feet.

parnassus · 14th October 2010, 02:41 PM

The Wallace brothers grew up with Mullins. Shorty Wallace was probably just as involved as Ray was. They were part and parcel of a hoaxing culture that dated back at least to 1924. Bluff Creek was just another place for them to mess around, until a wife of one of the workers got excited, and Jerry the Nerd wasn't in on the joke. One summer I worked in a remote area on a survey crew and it was just like that, playing jokes, screwing around. Whoever was the most gullible was gonna be in for the most pranks.

GT/CS · 14th October 2010, 02:56 PM

Yep, that's what guys do, especially if there is a rookie on the team.

parnassus · 14th October 2010, 04:27 PM

Here's a good one, Matthew Moneymaker wants to criminalize hoaxes.

Quote:

A Pile of Good Arguments for a Federal Statute
Prohibiting Hoaxes targeting Televison News or Radio News Broadcasters

The spelling and the logic and the capitalization are all pretty crappy, but at least it's long, boring and rambling, so maybe no one will read it.
Oops, when I tried to quote the article, it broke my irony meter. Oops, there go my arrogance meter and my BS meter, and my self-absorbed meter and my pot/kettle meter.
Well, my cut and paste still works:
Here's a wonder of modern logic:

Quote:

If it is illegal for a government player to inject stories into the press by court order, then logically it should be illegal for any player to inject stories into the press by trickery.

No wonder this guy doesn't practice law.

William Parcher · 14th October 2010, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by parnassus

Matthew Moneymaker wants to criminalize hoaxes.

GT/CS · 14th October 2010, 06:18 PM

What's the brown thing below his left fingers?

And be sure to notice the HUGE cross BG is wearing.

Apology · 14th October 2010, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

What's the brown thing below his left fingers?

And be sure to notice the HUGE cross BG is wearing.

The bigger the porkies you tell, the bigger the cross you have to wear to fool people into thinking you're too Christian to tell porkies.

Vortigern99 · 14th October 2010, 11:11 PM

"Porkies" is evidently Mr. Apology's regional dialectical equivalent of the standard English word "lies".

Just in case anyone was wondering.

William Parcher · 15th October 2010, 09:04 AM

They do see them in China - and once got a "photo".

Bigfoot sighted on Taibai Mountain

Quote:

Reporters interviewed many residents of Mei County, and their accounts varied. According to one story, when several travelers from Xi'an made camp in the deep forest, they suddenly heard a howl and when they looked up, they saw a hairy monster moving back and forth in the woods. After one of them cried, "It is a monster," they ran away in panic and nearly fell into a groove. It was said that these travelers were too frightened and were completely speechless for a few days after they got off the mountain, and they were admitted to the hospital right after returning to Xi'an.

However, according to another story, a few backpackers from Shanghai went to visit Taibai Mountain... they heard an unearthly cry and dimly saw a humanlike creature flying overhead, but the creature was quickly out of sight before they could take a good look. Afterwards, one of them said that the creature was entirely covered with hair but closely resembles a human being, and can swing from branch to branch. This unexpected incident really scared them all.

Caption: The file photo shows an unidentified Bigfoot in Shennongjia, China's Hubei Province.

Vortigern99 · 15th October 2010, 09:54 AM

In China, bigfoot(s) look like mean, furry people.

Drewbot · 15th October 2010, 10:21 AM

Could a giant apeman survive in China if it were any of the following:

Carnivore?
Omnivore without access to rice?
Herbivore without access to rice?

In other words, what is it eating? Bamboo? no uh uh.

Vortigern99 · 15th October 2010, 11:02 AM

Somehow China's hundreds of species of mammals manage to subsist on the available nutrition.

Raccoon dogs, for example, are omnivores which feed on insects, mouse-like rodents, amphibians, birds, fish, reptiles, molluscs, carrion and insectivores.

Please note that I am not saying Chinese Yeti exist.

William Parcher · 15th October 2010, 11:38 AM

Is "Sasfooty" the first bold and colorful Bigfoot encounter fabricator of the new BFF?

Bigfoot Makes House Calls?

Quote:

My avatar is a picture I got of one looking in my window.

I have a neighbor who saw a little one looking in her window. She could see it clearly because of a security light in the yard behind it...

Drewbot · 15th October 2010, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Somehow China's hundreds of species of mammals manage to subsist on the available nutrition.

Raccoon dogs, for example, are omnivores which feed on insects, mouse-like rodents, amphibians, birds, fish, reptiles, molluscs, carrion and insectivores.

Please note that I am not saying Chinese Yeti exist.

So you are saying that the large mammals of China, are able to subsist without being protected by parks? and without being killed for protein while searching for food, if it existed outside of those parks?

In other words, would a giant hairy apeman be able to survive in China, if it were not confined to those parks/preserves? would it be able to elude being eaten, or shot for sale on the Markets of China? The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China?
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm

Vortigern99 · 15th October 2010, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

So you are saying that the large mammals of China, are able to subsist without being protected by parks? ... and without being killed for protein while searching for food, if it existed outside of those parks?

I don't know enough about China and its park system to respond with anything apart from more questions. Are the majority of China's wilderness areas state parks, overseen by officials and studied by biologists on a regular basis, as they are in NA? Or are there vast tracts of unpopulated Chinese land which are not combed over on a daily basis by wildlife enthusiasts, hunters, bird-watchers, zoologists, botanists, etc.?

Originally Posted by Drewbot

In other words, would a giant hairy apeman be able to survive in China, if it were not confined to those parks/preserves? would it be able to elude being eaten, or shot for sale on the Markets of China? The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China?
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm

Excellent point which bears further investigation on my part. Thanks for the link.

LTC8K6 · 15th October 2010, 12:16 PM

Yeah, what are bigfoot parts and organs worth in China? A bigfoot penis must be quite a score.

Wait, that last bit doesn't sound right...

William Parcher · 15th October 2010, 12:49 PM

Chinese Bigfooters would say that there are parts of China which are no more populated and exploited than our Pacific Northwest. The Bigfoot belief special pleading for China would presumably be exactly the same as it is for North America.

Óðinn · 15th October 2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

1) Prints as in plural? You know of more than one Crew print?

I thought there were more casts than the one..I'll have a look.

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2) Superior in what way? They look more like a Bigfoot made them?

Are you kidding? The carved Wallace feet were a joke IMO, regardless if they fooled Green and others. The "single" Crew track doesn't have square "wooden" toes. It looks more organic, like a human foot scaled up. This has nothing to do with "more like a bigfoot", but rather that the Wallace feet were "less like a bigfoot", than was believable, IMO. I put Wallace on par with Freeman in the print-making dept.

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The print in the 1930 photo bears a strong resemblance to what we call a Wallace Alderfoot. It may even have a double-ball. I think it's shaped like an upside-down bowling pin. It has an unnatural symmetry.

There is no evidence that Wallace created Alderfoot, is there?

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I don't know if there is evidence or testimony (from his family) that Wallace certainly did carve wooden feet as opposed to received them from Mullins. I think Wallace was not sharing every detail (if any) of his Bigfoot hoaxing with his family. From what I gather, he died without ever confessing to anyone about his hoaxing. It was after he died that his family found the wooden feet.

Could you post a "Wallace print/cast" that is the least bit convincing. I think you give the guy way too much credit for some of the prints you think he created. I don't see much talent in his work and I haven't seen any Wallace print that had much attention to detail. Someone else was involved, IMO. Especially in 1930. And I still don't know why Wallace carved a double ball in his wooden feet. Do you?

LTC8K6 · 15th October 2010, 06:46 PM

http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html...of_folklo.html

A good read on the origins at Bluff Creek.

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Bigfooters completely ignored in 2002 that the Wallace family admitted that Ray’s bothers helped him with another set of feet. Regrettably, they did not show the world the other pair of wooden feet.

There are some questionable claims though.

xblade · 17th October 2010, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China?
http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm

Yeah, but turtles can't shoot infrasound waves.

Drewbot · 17th October 2010, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by xblade

Yeah, but turtles can't shoot infrasound waves.

I claim that there is a hairy, bipedal turtle from Antarctica tha DOES shoot infrasound and can convert ice into methane.(it has a special antifreeze in its blood)

Drewbot · 18th October 2010, 05:29 AM

http://www.modbee.com/2010/09/04/132...fox-found.html

Originally Posted by The Article above

Rich and another Forest Service biologist, Sherri Lisius, rigged a remote camera station that captured images of the rare fox Aug. 11 near Sonora Pass on Highway 108. The camera station included a baiting device -- chicken parts stuffed in a sock -- that recovered saliva from the fox.

Another animal located by camera trap, with DNA collected.

The Shrike · 18th October 2010, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

Yeah, what are bigfoot parts and organs worth in China? A bigfoot penis must be quite a score.

Exactly. I just posted on the thriving bear gall bladder market over on the BFF. Are we really to believe that a piece of a yeren would not fetch an immensely high price in China?

The Shrike · 18th October 2010, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

They do see them in China - and once got a "photo".
Caption: The file photo shows an unidentified Bigfoot in Shennongjia, China's Hubei Province.

Do all bigfoots have nice knockers?

Ace! · 18th October 2010, 09:03 AM

I hope so.

LTC8K6 · 18th October 2010, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

Do all bigfoots have nice knockers?

Judging by our one filmed example, no....

10th October 2010, 04:15 PM	#3201
Óðinn Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 599	Originally Posted by William Parcher Here we go. I just made this after finding another Crew cast. Besides looking slightly different than the press photo cast it appears painted or glazed. It came from Swastika Steve's blog. You can see the double ball and other similar features. It looks like somebody made some modifications to a Wallace footprint. That does make sense because Jerry Crew was at the Ray Wallace worksite. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/93b52565.jpg How do you know that Wallace didn't pick up the "double ball" feature from the Crew print?
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10th October 2010, 04:36 PM	#3202
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past 'Resume Speed' Posts: 12,873	Where did WP rule out that possibility ? Do you think it is more likely the Crew print was made by a Bigfoot ?
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10th October 2010, 09:01 PM	#3203
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg Do you think it is more likely the Crew print was made by a Bigfoot ? Of course not. Óðinn/Gigantofootecus does not believe that Bigfoot exists. Originally Posted by Óðinn How do you know that Wallace didn't pick up the "double ball" feature from the Crew print? That's the wrong question and only one that a puddinghead Bigfoot believer would ask; not you. The real question is whether Rant Mullins did the carvings for Ray Wallace. Are we really talking about Mullins Alderfoots?
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12th October 2010, 10:21 AM	#3205
Volsquatch Scholar Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 77	More "evidence" of the elusive creature - a Big foot is commanded to "jar the ground" in this video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQQGSsI87kA
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13th October 2010, 08:39 AM	#3207
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	"Bigfoot Cousins Claimed in Many Countries" by Benjamin Radford. Quote: While Bigfoot is by far the best-known of mysterious bipedal creatures said to inhabit the world's wilds, it is far from the only one. Many countries and cultures have stories of hairy, feral man-like creatures. Canada's Sasquatch Nepal's Yeti Australia's Yowie Indonesia's Orang Pendek What about Russia's Almas or Almasty?
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

11th October 2010, 02:56 PM	#3204
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Quote: Out of 33 nations measured by the OECD, the U.S. ranks 27th for student math literacy and 22nd for student science literacy. ...

12th October 2010, 01:16 PM	#3206
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	how many ape/bigfoot costumes are there in the US and how will they be used?

13th October 2010, 10:06 AM	#3208
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	What about Britain's Wild Herdsman, the black giant who in Welsh legend is the guardian of the beasts of the forest? Clearly a bigfoot.
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13th October 2010, 10:22 AM	#3209
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 What about Britain's Wild Herdsman... He doesn't count if nobody made plaster casts of his footprints. As soon as that happens he's in the club.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

13th October 2010, 10:58 AM	#3210
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Well, if that's your snobby elitist criteria, then fine, okay, sure. But there are certainly stories about British bigfoot(s). The last one has a picture of what looks like an Australopithecus wearing a furry diaper. If that doesn't constitute evidence of the kind required to get into the "club", then I don't know what to tell you.
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13th October 2010, 11:36 AM	#3211
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	rare sumatran tiger photographed by trailcam.

13th October 2010, 11:40 AM	#3212
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	EL Fudge photographed presenting new Elf-shaped cookies. Apologies to the regulars. I'm in a weird mood.
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13th October 2010, 12:30 PM	#3213
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 EL Fudge photographed presenting new Elf-shaped cookies. Apologies to the regulars. I'm in a weird mood. Mmmm...chocolate flavored tracks.
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13th October 2010, 09:04 PM	#3214
Óðinn Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 599	Originally Posted by William Parcher That's the wrong question and only one that a puddinghead Bigfoot believer would ask; not you. The real question is whether Rant Mullins did the carvings for Ray Wallace. Are we really talking about Mullins Alderfoots? It's a perfectly legit question. The Crew prints were superior, IMO, than the Wallace feet. IOW, Wallace likely didn't create them. Yet they share the double ball feature. Whutup with that? Coincidence? They pre-dated the Wallace feet that we have identified so maybe Mullins is the true inventor of bigfoot. At any rate, Wallace doesn't appear to be the inventor of the double balled bigfoot, IMO.
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14th October 2010, 12:57 PM	#3215
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by Óðinn The Crew prints were superior, IMO, than the Wallace feet. 1) Prints as in plural? You know of more than one Crew print? 2) Superior in what way? They look more like a Bigfoot made them? Quote: IOW, Wallace likely didn't create them. Yet they share the double ball feature. Whutup with that? Coincidence? They pre-dated the Wallace feet that we have identified so maybe Mullins is the true inventor of bigfoot. At any rate, Wallace doesn't appear to be the inventor of the double balled bigfoot, IMO. The print in the 1930 photo bears a strong resemblance to what we call a Wallace Alderfoot. It may even have a double-ball. I think it's shaped like an upside-down bowling pin. It has an unnatural symmetry. I don't know if there is evidence or testimony (from his family) that Wallace certainly did carve wooden feet as opposed to received them from Mullins. I think Wallace was not sharing every detail (if any) of his Bigfoot hoaxing with his family. From what I gather, he died without ever confessing to anyone about his hoaxing. It was after he died that his family found the wooden feet.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

14th October 2010, 02:41 PM	#3216
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	The Wallace brothers grew up with Mullins. Shorty Wallace was probably just as involved as Ray was. They were part and parcel of a hoaxing culture that dated back at least to 1924. Bluff Creek was just another place for them to mess around, until a wife of one of the workers got excited, and Jerry the Nerd wasn't in on the joke. One summer I worked in a remote area on a survey crew and it was just like that, playing jokes, screwing around. Whoever was the most gullible was gonna be in for the most pranks.
	Last edited by parnassus; 14th October 2010 at 02:42 PM.

14th October 2010, 02:56 PM	#3217
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	Yep, that's what guys do, especially if there is a rookie on the team.
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

14th October 2010, 04:27 PM	#3218
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Here's a good one, Matthew Moneymaker wants to criminalize hoaxes. Quote: A Pile of Good Arguments for a Federal Statute Prohibiting Hoaxes targeting Televison News or Radio News Broadcasters The spelling and the logic and the capitalization are all pretty crappy, but at least it's long, boring and rambling, so maybe no one will read it. Oops, when I tried to quote the article, it broke my irony meter. Oops, there go my arrogance meter and my BS meter, and my self-absorbed meter and my pot/kettle meter. Well, my cut and paste still works: Here's a wonder of modern logic: Quote: If it is illegal for a government player to inject stories into the press by court order, then logically it should be illegal for any player to inject stories into the press by trickery. No wonder this guy doesn't practice law.
	Last edited by parnassus; 14th October 2010 at 04:35 PM.

14th October 2010, 06:06 PM	#3219
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Originally Posted by parnassus Matthew Moneymaker wants to criminalize hoaxes.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

14th October 2010, 06:18 PM	#3220
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	What's the brown thing below his left fingers? And be sure to notice the HUGE cross BG is wearing.
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986 Last edited by GT/CS; 14th October 2010 at 06:19 PM.

14th October 2010, 09:04 PM	#3221
Apology Reader's of the Boden Codex Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,578	Originally Posted by GT/CS What's the brown thing below his left fingers? And be sure to notice the HUGE cross BG is wearing. The bigger the porkies you tell, the bigger the cross you have to wear to fool people into thinking you're too Christian to tell porkies.
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14th October 2010, 11:11 PM	#3222
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	"Porkies" is evidently Mr. Apology's regional dialectical equivalent of the standard English word "lies". Just in case anyone was wondering.
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15th October 2010, 09:54 AM	#3224
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	In China, bigfoot(s) look like mean, furry people.
	__________________ "I'm 'willing to admit' any fact that can be shown to be evidential and certain." -- Vortigern99 / Noah D. Henson "One thing we've learned (and the Internet confirms this) is that humans will screw just about anything." -- Theagenes

15th October 2010, 10:21 AM	#3225
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Could a giant apeman survive in China if it were any of the following: Carnivore? Omnivore without access to rice? Herbivore without access to rice? In other words, what is it eating? Bamboo? no uh uh.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

15th October 2010, 11:02 AM	#3226
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Somehow China's hundreds of species of mammals manage to subsist on the available nutrition. Raccoon dogs, for example, are omnivores which feed on insects, mouse-like rodents, amphibians, birds, fish, reptiles, molluscs, carrion and insectivores. Please note that I am not saying Chinese Yeti exist.
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15th October 2010, 11:49 AM	#3228
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Somehow China's hundreds of species of mammals manage to subsist on the available nutrition. Raccoon dogs, for example, are omnivores which feed on insects, mouse-like rodents, amphibians, birds, fish, reptiles, molluscs, carrion and insectivores. Please note that I am not saying Chinese Yeti exist. So you are saying that the large mammals of China, are able to subsist without being protected by parks? and without being killed for protein while searching for food, if it existed outside of those parks? In other words, would a giant hairy apeman be able to survive in China, if it were not confined to those parks/preserves? would it be able to elude being eaten, or shot for sale on the Markets of China? The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China? http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

15th October 2010, 11:59 AM	#3229
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Originally Posted by Drewbot So you are saying that the large mammals of China, are able to subsist without being protected by parks? ... and without being killed for protein while searching for food, if it existed outside of those parks? I don't know enough about China and its park system to respond with anything apart from more questions. Are the majority of China's wilderness areas state parks, overseen by officials and studied by biologists on a regular basis, as they are in NA? Or are there vast tracts of unpopulated Chinese land which are not combed over on a daily basis by wildlife enthusiasts, hunters, bird-watchers, zoologists, botanists, etc.? Originally Posted by Drewbot In other words, would a giant hairy apeman be able to survive in China, if it were not confined to those parks/preserves? would it be able to elude being eaten, or shot for sale on the Markets of China? The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China? http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm Excellent point which bears further investigation on my part. Thanks for the link.
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15th October 2010, 12:16 PM	#3230
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	Yeah, what are bigfoot parts and organs worth in China? A bigfoot penis must be quite a score. Wait, that last bit doesn't sound right...
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15th October 2010, 12:49 PM	#3231
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,504	Chinese Bigfooters would say that there are parts of China which are no more populated and exploited than our Pacific Northwest. The Bigfoot belief special pleading for China would presumably be exactly the same as it is for North America.
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15th October 2010, 04:52 PM	#3232
Óðinn Muse Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 599	Originally Posted by William Parcher 1) Prints as in plural? You know of more than one Crew print? I thought there were more casts than the one..I'll have a look. Quote: 2) Superior in what way? They look more like a Bigfoot made them? Are you kidding? The carved Wallace feet were a joke IMO, regardless if they fooled Green and others. The "single" Crew track doesn't have square "wooden" toes. It looks more organic, like a human foot scaled up. This has nothing to do with "more like a bigfoot", but rather that the Wallace feet were "less like a bigfoot", than was believable, IMO. I put Wallace on par with Freeman in the print-making dept. Quote: The print in the 1930 photo bears a strong resemblance to what we call a Wallace Alderfoot. It may even have a double-ball. I think it's shaped like an upside-down bowling pin. It has an unnatural symmetry. There is no evidence that Wallace created Alderfoot, is there? Quote: I don't know if there is evidence or testimony (from his family) that Wallace certainly did carve wooden feet as opposed to received them from Mullins. I think Wallace was not sharing every detail (if any) of his Bigfoot hoaxing with his family. From what I gather, he died without ever confessing to anyone about his hoaxing. It was after he died that his family found the wooden feet. Could you post a "Wallace print/cast" that is the least bit convincing. I think you give the guy way too much credit for some of the prints you think he created. I don't see much talent in his work and I haven't seen any Wallace print that had much attention to detail. Someone else was involved, IMO. Especially in 1930. And I still don't know why Wallace carved a double ball in his wooden feet. Do you?
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15th October 2010, 06:46 PM	#3233
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,616	http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html...of_folklo.html A good read on the origins at Bluff Creek. Quote: Bigfooters completely ignored in 2002 that the Wallace family admitted that Ray’s bothers helped him with another set of feet. Regrettably, they did not show the world the other pair of wooden feet. There are some questionable claims though.
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17th October 2010, 12:36 PM	#3234
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 459	Originally Posted by Drewbot The smallest turtles are endangered in China because they are sources of protein, but a giant gorilla is somehow able to elude the protein shortage and pet trade in China? http://www.chelonia.org/Articles/China/china12ambo.htm Yeah, but turtles can't shoot infrasound waves.

17th October 2010, 01:10 PM	#3235
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	Originally Posted by xblade Yeah, but turtles can't shoot infrasound waves. I claim that there is a hairy, bipedal turtle from Antarctica tha DOES shoot infrasound and can convert ice into methane.(it has a special antifreeze in its blood)
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

18th October 2010, 05:29 AM	#3236
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	http://www.modbee.com/2010/09/04/132...fox-found.html Originally Posted by The Article above Rich and another Forest Service biologist, Sherri Lisius, rigged a remote camera station that captured images of the rare fox Aug. 11 near Sonora Pass on Highway 108. The camera station included a baiting device -- chicken parts stuffed in a sock -- that recovered saliva from the fox. Another animal located by camera trap, with DNA collected.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

18th October 2010, 07:22 AM	#3237
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,804	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 Yeah, what are bigfoot parts and organs worth in China? A bigfoot penis must be quite a score. Exactly. I just posted on the thriving bear gall bladder market over on the BFF. Are we really to believe that a piece of a yeren would not fetch an immensely high price in China?