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Graduate Poster
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Antivaccination study a fraud
"Andrew Wakefield was paid by lawyers to undermine the MMR vaccine"
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In related news- a British child recently died of measles, the first such death in 14 years. |
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Resident Viking Autist
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: With your mother
Posts: 6,923
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Thanks for this information.
Though i already knew(as almost everyone else here) that antivax is bunk, this is a very nice reference. Thank you. This will go straight on my site. tomorrow anyways |
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Cythraul Enfys
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 28,881
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Hmm, sounds to me like Wakefield should receive a "booster" shot of highly active cultures of each of the three he researched and put on quarantine for 20 years or so.
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Critical Thinker
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 274
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I could have sworn we already knew that, but I guess it was some other financial conflict of interest he had going. Charming guy, this Wakefield.
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Alberta
Posts: 13,894
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Yeah, MMR never had mercury, and antivaxxers (who love to claim mercury in vaccines cause autism) are finally starting to realize that, quite slowly. Wakefield's explanation was tremendously more weak in comparision, along with that tiny group group of subjects and bad study design.
Canadians are studying toxins: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home I'm eyeing up the "agenda" behind this with great interest.
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We are living longer than ever before, with less diseases killing us than ever before, and people are fearing some toxins are making us all into mutants or something? I can only hope they identify what may really need to be looked at, or put some fears to rest. Why don't people stop smoking or drinking if they fear toxicity so much? Or should I be glad there's something else to distract people like antivaxxers from blaming vaccines for everything from autism to cancer? Then maybe kids can get back to being immune against preventable diseases? This wakefield thing may have caused deaths, but antivaxxers still hail him as an unsung hero up against "big pharma".
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Some other great links to articles on vaccination: http://www.spiked-online.com/index.p...te/issues/C30/ http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/gl/vaccines1.htm |
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Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it! |
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Humor Impaired
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: The Cultural Desert
Posts: 4,910
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Yet, this study will be pointed at again and again.
*sigh* It isn't about science, it's about belief. It is the fear that you, somehow, had something to do with your child's autism because we are SO goddamned obsessed with our children in this country. It couldn't be you, it has to be those scary guys in the dark(white) trench(lab) coats that are doing all the bad stuff. We don't really know or understand what they are doing anyway, they could be doing anything!!! *insert further hysteria* Some lawyer smells money and some idiot fudges a number or two. Bah. As with anything we don't understand, superstition abounds. STDs are caused by sex and frogs are born of mud, as well. Bah. |
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Perfectly Poisonous Person
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wacky Washington Way Out West
Posts: 4,204
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It gets better and better... Wakefield has dropped his libel lawsuit against Channel 4 Television and Brian Deer:
http://briandeer.com/wakefield/lawsuit-discontinues.htm |
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I used to be intelligent... but then I had kids "HCN, I hate you!" ( so sayeth Deetee at http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1077344 )... What I get for linking to http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/
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Perfectly Poisonous Person
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wacky Washington Way Out West
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I used to be intelligent... but then I had kids "HCN, I hate you!" ( so sayeth Deetee at http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1077344 )... What I get for linking to http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/
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Philosopher
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
Posts: 5,966
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Aw, since when does a difference of opinion divide altmedders? You go to a trade show or health fair, and completely incompatible altmed treatments have booths right beside each other, no questions asked. As long as they're playing the 'small guy against big pharma' card to shill product, everybody's in the club.
However, I'm not sure that the antivaxxers were all unaware that Wakefield's MMR accusations were not about mercury - I think antivaxxers have always had subcults, and the Wakefield group were always "triple-jab" people. Triple-jab theory is a more pernicious form of antivax, as it is not solved by changing preservatives, and specifically asserts that vaccination is not safe in any format. |
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Alberta
Posts: 13,894
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It's interesting that Wakefield also wanted to market alternatives to MMR, in the form of having 3 separate vaccines, among other things:
http://briandeer.com/wakefield/wakefield-patents.htm
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It's a classic move amongst quacks. Scare parents away from one product and offer what they claim are "safe" alternatives. Many sCAM folks try to say conventional products CAUSE what sCAM product claims to cure. With Gary Young's oils, they say conventional products cause cancer, and that Young's products are "all natural" and won't cause cancer. Gary Young also claims his oils can be used instead of vaccination. Quacks and sCAM artists will be successful as long as they can make unsustantiated claims about their "competitors". It's good to see Wakefield, an MD, not get away with it. There needs to be standards maintained for science based medical care. Alties love a rotten MD. They say Wakefield is the victim in this. |
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Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it! |
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Philosopher
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Vancouver BC Canada
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Graduate Poster
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Auburn, WA, USA
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