Dylan starts to get pissy

[mrfreeze]

So it seems the troofers are constantly asking their fearless leader when this "ironclad" final cut will be out in theaters. And it seems that Dylan is getting tired of having to cover his ass with all of their questions.

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QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Jan 12 2007, 08:35 PM)
Dylan, we all need to see a full thumbs up from you that it's going ahead and will be in theaters across the nation. You keep indicating that you are STILL negotiating somethingorother. When will everything be in place, and will you let us know as soon as it is? Thanks so much. It's driving me crazy, the waiting, and wondering..

no ****, everybody's wondering, myself included. will you stop bossing me around and let me do my job?

[/quote]QUOTE (Arrowhead @ Jan 12 2007, 09:13 PM)
I was just asking, and offering up an idea to be most helpful. No bossing around. Don't judge me simply based on past experience, please.

I'm judging you on the fact you're constantly asking me when it's going to be out, as if I'm deliberately withholding information. Remember when I said it'd be done on 9/11/2006? Exactly.

As if commissioning ANOTHER Zogby poll is going to make any difference in the public's eye.

Stop asking when it's going to be done. I've requested this before, and I'm requesting it again.
[/quote]

So it seems that there are times it ISN'T ok to "Just ask questions".

Oh and this final question from lcac is especially funny all things considered:

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Thanks Dylan. In terms of donations from the film - the plan is to give more than Universal did?

I wonder how long before those people and their posts "disappear"?

[jhunter1163]

It must be tough to be Dylan these days. On the one hand, he has his loyal Twoofy backers asking "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?", and on the other hand, he has a crowd of debunkers (and quite possibly lawyers) awaiting the release of LCFC just as eagerly as the twoofers, perhaps more so. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

[T.A.M.]

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

It must be tough to be Dylan these days. On the one hand, he has his loyal Twoofy backers asking "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?", and on the other hand, he has a crowd of debunkers (and quite possibly lawyers) awaiting the release of LCFC just as eagerly as the twoofers, perhaps more so. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

He wants to play in the big leagues he's gotta be able to stand the heat. Tough or not, he gets no sympathy from me, as he could have just packed up his toys and gone home.

TAM

[jhunter1163]

Oh, I'm not sympathetic. He made his bed, let him lie in it. I was just pointing out that he's in a more or less untenable position and seems to be getting testy about it.

[T.A.M.]

You are correct sir. He has put himself in said position, and now must follow the mantra of making his bed and lying in it.

TAM

[NickUK]

I get the distinct impression from his posts (and also his attitude during the debate with Gravy) that Dyl-d'oh is nowhere near as sure about all this as he used to be.

[jhunter1163]

I get that feeling too. It seems to me that he's trying to back away slowly from this nonsense but Rowe and Bermas aren't letting him. His tuchus is in a vise: he can't repudiate everything he's already said, because then he has to go to work instead of riding on what little revenue LC generates, but he can't release the film he's promised because he knows he'll be the target of a small army of very loud and very smart debunkers. So, he's taking the weasel way out and promising the film, promising promising promising, hoping to ride the gravy train for a few more months anyway.

Eventually, though, I'm guessing he'll release something watered down to try and make the Twoof movement happy, while at the same time relying so heavily on conjecture and speculation that the debunking won't be too savage. That's about the best he can hope for at this point.

[60hzxtl]

Originally Posted by NickUK

I get the distinct impression from his posts (and also his attitude during the debate with Gravy) that Dyl-d'oh is nowhere near as sure about all this as he used to be.

That's called the hang-over you get from being drunk with power.

Poor old Do-Over, there's more to being a "film" maker than stringing together clips with a bad music bed.

When you've been mocked by South Park, where can you go?

[The Doc]

Originally Posted by 60hzxtl

When you've been mocked by South Park, where can you go?

One can only imagine. I wouldn't know what to do if those guys got to me.

[jhunter1163]

Maybe Oliver could make Dylan a "Mocked by South Park" badge. Of course, he'd be instantly banned and the post deleted, but it'd get at least a few views over there.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Maybe Oliver could make Dylan a "Mocked by South Park" badge. Of course, he'd be instantly banned and the post deleted, but it'd get at least a few views over there.

It´s a pretty funny idea but too much out of date.
But i still hope that the Simpson movie mentions these
Clowns - or Sponge Bob, Tele Tubbies or some Anime
comics.

[The Doc]

Family Guy would be absolutley hilarious if they ripped on the truthers. It'd be a 10 second joke knowing family guy, but it'd be worth it.

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by NickUK

I get the distinct impression from his posts (and also his attitude during the debate with Gravy) that Dyl-d'oh is nowhere near as sure about all this as he used to be.

If that film goes on general release I'd guess the makers will need to emigrate somewhere really remote and quiet.
Like an obscure Bolivian mountain village. Or maybe an abandoned Antarctic whaling station.
I suspect they know this.

[8den]

Originally Posted by GlennB

If that film goes on general release I'd guess the makers will need to emigrate somewhere really remote and quiet.
Like an obscure Bolivian mountain village. Or maybe an abandoned Antarctic whaling station.
I suspect they know this.

I'm going to register to check a few more details with dylan re the details of the distribution deal.

A March release? Without a final cut? Distribution deal still being finalised.

Er I've a raging clue Dylan is talking out of his [rule 8]

[Architect]

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Or maybe an abandoned Antarctic whaling station.

I dunno.....remember what happened the last time the Argies tried that one!

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by GlennB

If that film goes on general release I'd guess the makers will need to emigrate somewhere really remote and quiet.
Like an obscure Bolivian mountain village. Or maybe an abandoned Antarctic whaling station.
I suspect they know this.

They could settle in Kramer´s apartment.
"among friends"

[Architect]

Hopefully someone will sue him this time!

[The Silver Shadow]

Dylan doesn't believe in the CT movement anymore, he just wants to stick around and make money...

Don't ask how I know, I did my research </Conspiracy theorist>

[The Doc]

That's what I was thinking. Wouldn't a theatrical release for March already be finalized in terms of the film, promotion plans etc?

I will not be one bit suprised if this film's distribution deal is the bargain bin at your local UFO store and on Google Video.

[The Silver Shadow]

at the way it's going (And the way Dylan talks about it), it's probably going to be a straight to DVD release. At the very least, it would be played in theatres for a week here, then it would be taken out because of the bad reviews, reception and other things and moved straight to DVD.

[StoneWT]

Silver, you're actually right on the money. Dylan is waiting until he squeezes every last bit of money from his current situation. One of his crew already has a patriot radio show.

The day he releases his final version is the day he kills his conspiracy street cred.

[The Silver Shadow]

That has me thinking, since a DVD costs about $17.95 plus shipping (I think), how much profit is Dylan and his 3 cronies making? If he says that he's spending his own money to educate people, why doesn't he simply put together another investigation with his "experts" and conspiracy theorists? It should be interesting to watch...

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

Dylan doesn't believe in the CT movement anymore, he just wants to stick around and make money...

Don't ask how I know, I did my research </Conspiracy theorist>

You may be right - his conscience could be the reason
for his zombie performance on the Hardfire-Show.

[chillzero]

Originally Posted by Oliver

You may be right - his conscience could be the reason
for his zombie performance on the Hardfire-Show.

I watched that show thinking he was about to own up any second. I would love him to have the courage to just admit that he was misguided in what he has done so far, and that further reflection and thinking has led him to agree with Gravy. I would have some respect for him, and he would probably regain some lost credibility, and also become so much more famous, if he was to take up the correct fight for the families of the 911 victims now. He could publicise why he was wrong, and how he finally came to understand that fact.

If he wants fame, then this would be a great way to get it. If he wants to fade into the background and hide his face, he would surely be left alone if he said publicly he no longer supported the loose change vision; after the initial furore.

I could be wrong. Maybe he does still hang on to that belief because he has so much riding on it now. But he didn't engage in that debate with much enthusiasm, and seemed embarressed by the position he was there to defend.

[The Silver Shadow]

So, Dylan's in denial?

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by chillzero

I watched that show thinking he was about to own up any second. I would love him to have the courage to just admit that he was misguided in what he has done so far, and that further reflection and thinking has led him to agree with Gravy. I would have some respect for him, and he would probably regain some lost credibility, and also become so much more famous, if he was to take up the correct fight for the families of the 911 victims now. He could publicise why he was wrong, and how he finally came to understand that fact.

If he wants fame, then this would be a great way to get it. If he wants to fade into the background and hide his face, he would surely be left alone if he said publicly he no longer supported the loose change vision; after the initial furore.

I could be wrong. Maybe he does still hang on to that belief because he has so much riding on it now. But he didn't engage in that debate with much enthusiasm, and seemed embarressed by the position he was there to defend.

He still hangs on it because his whole social environment.
If he would say that everything was BS, he would ruin the
whole movement. On the other side there is a lot of financial
responsibility and much money in it if it goes into the cinemas.

I guess money is not his main matter - but i don´t believe that
all his connections do think the same.

ETA: A pretty ugly situation if your conscience tells you
"This is not me. I´m on the wrong way".

[jhunter1163]

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

So, Dylan's in denial?

I wouldn't call it denial. It's more that deer-in-the-headlights look. He can't go forward and he can't go back. He can only stand there and wait for the smackdown to come.

[chillzero]

Originally Posted by Oliver

He still hangs on it because his whole social environment.
If he would say that everything was BS, he would ruin the
whole movement.

I agree.
But, I think that ruining the whole movement would be a positive thing - for him as well as the non-CTists.

Originally Posted by Oliver

On the other side there is a lot of financial
responsibility and much money in it if it goes into the cinemas.

I guess money is not his main matter - but i don´t believe that
all his connections do think the same.

I am not so clear on his financial obligations, etc, but again, I think that if he were to be the man who decided to stand up for what was right and not just let the pressure of things he had previously set up direct him, then he would earn a place in history. If his motive is fame - that's his ticket; a more honourable place in history than the person who continued to flog the CT horse beyond reason. If his motive is money, imagine where that profile could now take him; boks, chat shows, his biography, etc. If his motive is truth - well, he would stand up and admit that, and help get the misinformation out there corrected.

[WildCat]

Hehe, I totally misread the title to this thread at first glance. I thought it was about the real reason Dylan got into the 9/11 CT biz... what a difference one letter makes!

[jhunter1163]

It can be done. Our very own JAStewart is proof of that. If Dylan were a stand-up guy, he'd say "OK, I was wrong about this. I put out a misleading video, and I'm sorry about that. I got my head turned by the attention and I couldn't help myself. The whole thing became way bigger than I ever intended it to be. I apologize to the families of those who died that day."

He does know his stuff, plus he knows the personalities of the other guys. He'd make a super debunker if we could turn him.

Come on over to the dark side, Dylan. We have cookies. (shamelessly stolen from someone's avatar, LashL I think)

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by chillzero

I am not so clear on his financial obligations, etc, but again, I think that if he were to be the man who decided to stand up for what was right and not just let the pressure of things he had previously set up direct him, then he would earn a place in history. If his motive is fame - that's his ticket; a more honourable place in history than the person who continued to flog the CT horse beyond reason. If his motive is money, imagine where that profile could now take him; boks, chat shows, his biography, etc. If his motive is truth - well, he would stand up and admit that, and help get the misinformation out there corrected.

I highly guess that there are a lot of financial interests
from multiple sides involved - but he seems to be the
decent type of guy with a good "upbringing".

If he want fame - he still could get it, but he had to be
honest to himself and others first to find a good, new base
to continue with a new focus. Maybe a real issue like real
political issues that goes along with the "NWO" globalization.

Loose Change still has a trendy style and goes with the spirit
(Zeitgeist) of his generation. He would be dumb if he wouldn´t
use this natural talent.

[The Silver Shadow]

well, in the e-mails I had with Dylan after getting banned, I speculated that he was doing this for the money, and then he lashed back, quite angrily, saying that I indeed WAS interested in his finances. Every time I asked him for the scientific evidence, he was saying things like I was a waste of time and other things. He never replied to me after I tried to make some damning allegations. So much the better, right?

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

Come on over to the dark side, Dylan. We have cookies. (shamelessly stolen from someone's avatar, LashL I think)

Kittens too !

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

well, in the e-mails I had with Dylan after getting banned, I speculated that he was doing this for the money, and then he lashed back, quite angrily, saying that I indeed WAS interested in his finances. Every time I asked him for the scientific evidence, he was saying things like I was a waste of time and other things. He never replied to me after I tried to make some damning allegations. So much the better, right?

What did you ask him that he replied saying "you were interested
in his finances"? By the way: What was your Nick over there?

[The Silver Shadow]

I was The Silver Shadow on the LC forums as well (My avatar was Kimi Raikkonen, F1 driver). I took a bit of a cheap shot against Dylan and said that he probably doesn't believe what he says and that he's probably doing this for the money.

He replies back by saying that he spent $30,000 in one weekend educating people.

I said whatever, his finances didn't interest me, now where's that scientific evidence?

He replied back that I am interested in his finances otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I come back by saying that I was speculating, much like his films, now where's that scientific evidence?

His final reply is that if he were to prove 9/11 to the likes of me, he wouldn't get anything done

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by The Silver Shadow

*snip*
His final reply is that if he were to prove 9/11 to the likes of me, he wouldn't get anything done

Actually he didn´t get anything done so far in his 9/11 career.
So what did he mean?

[Arus808]

$30,000 to "educate" people. Teachers dont even get paid that much in a year's salary, and they teach kids to be critical thinkers and of course, to be smarter than he is!

[Architect]

Originally Posted by Arus808

$30,000 to "educate" people. Teachers dont even get paid that much in a year's salary, and they teach kids to be critical thinkers and of course, to be smarter than he is!

Boy, you Americans pay your teachers poorly then.

[The Silver Shadow]

Originally Posted by Architect

Boy, you Americans pay your teachers poorly then.

My mom's a teacher in Toronto, the pay is reasonable (MUCH better than $30,000)!

[Arus808]

yup..

starting salary (for "hawaii teachers" ) is $28,000 / yr.

Sad really. which is why we lost over 20% of our teachers to private schools, mainland schools and the like.

Starting salary for a Police officer in Hawaii is only $33,000 / yr....and of course any "overtime" they take.

3rd expensive economy to live in; like 48th in the nation for competing wages.