the 5 dancing joooooooo's

mailman · 20th January 2007, 10:55 AM

I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy.

So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing.

Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad? And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience?

Regards

Mailman

~enigma~ · 20th January 2007, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by mailman

I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy.

So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing.

Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad? And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience?

Regards

Mailman

First shot of the invasion? Bit weak if you ask me.

babazaroni · 20th January 2007, 11:08 AM

Looks like a legit question to me.

Oliver · 20th January 2007, 11:10 AM

I didn´t look deep into the issue - but was there any
footage released from the "5 dancing Jews Video"?

~enigma~ · 20th January 2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by babazaroni

Looks like a legit question to me.

Could be. Could also be the evil mrfreeze undercover as he admits. In either case a real search would find the answer he is looking for.

MikeW · 20th January 2007, 11:14 AM

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html is one of the classic CT sources on this. It's notable for taking this:

Quote:

Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

...then claiming it's suspicious, because "How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?" The fact that lots of people took photos "to document the event" escapes them, yet even today some people consider this as a worthwhile argument.

MikeW · 20th January 2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

I didn´t look deep into the issue - but was there any
footage released from the "5 dancing Jews Video"?

No, I don't think so.

StoneWT · 20th January 2007, 11:19 AM

Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs.

Firestone · 20th January 2007, 11:20 AM

It may be hard to believe, but the "Five dancing Israelis" were actually three and weren't dancing.

Source

mailman · 20th January 2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by babazaroni

Looks like a legit question to me.

It is a legit question...but perhaps the way I phrased it comes across as a 9/11 conspiracist cnut in hiding? Apologies if that is the case BUT I am most definately NOT a 9/11 conspiracy cnut!

Because to me, if I was in New York that day with a video camera what do you think Im going to do with it during the attacks? Sit there and pick my nose while history passes in front of me? Heck no, Im going to video it...which is what I reckon these guys were doing.

Regards

Mailman

Oliver · 20th January 2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by StoneWT

Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs.

I did see the interview but i was wondering if there is
any optical evidence for the dancing story beside the
confessions...

mailman · 20th January 2007, 11:30 AM

You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place?

Mailman

Oliver · 20th January 2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by mailman

You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place?

Mailman

I heard they did film themselves while "dancing" on 9/11. Maybe
i remember it the wrong way...

mailman · 20th January 2007, 04:23 PM

Thats the story but surely if they were arrested then the police would have also confiscated their video and they would have seen if they were dancing or not?

But the fact it hasnt been released would sort of tend to lean more towards the "no such video exists" side of things dont you think?

Regards

Mailman

Dog Town · 20th January 2007, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by StoneWT

Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs.

Please!

Oliver · 20th January 2007, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by mailman

Thats the story but surely if they were arrested then the police would have also confiscated their video and they would have seen if they were dancing or not?

But the fact it hasnt been released would sort of tend to lean more towards the "no such video exists" side of things dont you think?

Regards

Mailman

Well, i´m a skeptic. I know that they confessed the videos but
i wouldn´t believe in the story until i saw the footage if they
didn´t confessed it already.

Dog Town · 20th January 2007, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Well, i´m a skeptic. I know that they confessed the videos but
i wouldn´t believe in the story until i saw the footage if they
didn´t confessed it already.

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Oliver · 20th January 2007, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dog Town

?????????????????????????????????????

Was that a question?

~enigma~ · 20th January 2007, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by mailman

It is a legit question...but perhaps the way I phrased it comes across as a 9/11 conspiracist cnut in hiding? Apologies if that is the case BUT I am most definately NOT a 9/11 conspiracy cnut!

Because to me, if I was in New York that day with a video camera what do you think Im going to do with it during the attacks? Sit there and pick my nose while history passes in front of me? Heck no, Im going to video it...which is what I reckon these guys were doing.

Regards

Mailman

Sorry for the quick trigger on my part but I honestly have seen woowoos present themselves with this question. It usually happens on neocon forums and myspace.

~enigma~ · 20th January 2007, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by mailman

You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place?

Mailman

Another twisted trick I have heard from the woowoos is claiming that it is suspicious that the white van was also used in the earlier attempt on Bush's life. Those are some really far gone anti-semites.

Loss Leader · 20th January 2007, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by mailman

So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing.

Well, you've already been suplied a link to a reputable ABC News story on the event, so I won't repeat that info.

But I do want to point out that this "5 Dancing Jooos" myth is just another example of the common CT trick of Guilt By Suspicion. This trick states that because one person's words or conduct appears not to be the way a "normal person" would have acted, everything about the person must be a lie and the truth must be the conspiracy theory.

The real fact is that millions and millions of people were involved one way or another with the events of 9/11 or the later investigation. Everybody perceives things differently and everybody acts differently. Some people are going to behave strangely. All it means is that some people behaved strangely.

So, assume for the purposes of argument that there were 5 dancing Jooos. Does that mean that they had foreknowledge of the events of that day? Does it mean that Israel planned and executed 9/11? Of course not. All it means is that five Jooos were dancing on 9/11 (although, in fact, the entire story is a myth).

Now, here are our two alternatives: 1) the official theory with millions of witnesses including passengers, air traffic controlers, the actual bad guys themselves (by video tape), engineers, firefighters, etc. and with massive amounts of physical evidence; or 2) the various conspiracy theories supported, if at all, by some suspicious behavior by a few people. Which is more likely?

MG1962 · 20th January 2007, 10:40 PM

Well, its one for the money,

Two for the show,

Three to get ready,

Now go, cat, go.

But dont you step on my dancing Joooooooooooes

You can do anything but lay off of my dancing jooooooooes

boloboffin · 20th January 2007, 10:47 PM

A most excellent treatment of the facts behind the five dancing Jooos is the documentary Protocols of Zion. Mark Levin tracks it all down. The five were three, and they were stupid kids.

jhunter1163 · 20th January 2007, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

It may be hard to believe, but the "Five dancing Israelis" were actually three and weren't dancing.

Source

So the five dancing Joooos weren't five, weren't dancing..

It really ticks me off that these CT nutjobs go to such great lengths to say "we're not anti-Semitic, it's Zionists, not Jews".. and then bring up crap like this.

Free Thinkr · 21st January 2007, 12:51 AM

Um, to my knowledge, the only "5 dancing Jews" is from this forum's "12 days of twoofers."

valis · 21st January 2007, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Another twisted trick I have heard from the woowoos is claiming that it is suspicious that the white van was also used in the earlier attempt on Bush's life. Those are some really far gone anti-semites.

But I thought Pres Bush was in on the entire thing? Why would they kill him if at the same time they were in cahoots with him?

I'm confused.

maccy · 21st January 2007, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by boloboffin

A most excellent treatment of the facts behind the five dancing Jooos is the documentary Protocols of Zion. Mark Levin tracks it all down. The five were three, and they were stupid kids.

The relevant section of the documentary is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s

The whole thing is worth watching, though.

MikeW · 21st January 2007, 04:39 AM

Heh, just spotted something from the source I posted yesterday. An Irish news site has an archive for 9/12, and that has two stories related to Israelis arrested that day.

#1, timed at 4:27 am on 9/12, is headlined "Three arrested with van full of explosives".

#2, timed at 4:34 on 9/12, is headlined "Police confirm arrests but deny explosives find".

One of these stories is referred to by WhatReallyHappened.com & other sites, the other is entirely ignored. Can you guess which is which?!

The site's worth a look, anyway, for a few early stories - see http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/ . There's one about American Airlines releasing the names of passengers, for instance, noting that:

Quote:

The airline has honoured the requests of those families who have asked that their loved ones' names not be included.

Additional names will be released as passengers' relatives are notified.
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/...story23539.asp

So much for the manifests being suppressed.

Firestone · 21st January 2007, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by maccy

The relevant section of the documentary is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s

The whole thing is worth watching, though.

It boils down to three men standing on a van, and acting in a way that Maria found strange ("they didn't look shocked" is what she says).

From mouth to mouth it evolved in five dancing Israelis who were there before WTC 1 was hit in order to film the attacks.

Five years on, and still this nonsense is around.

Oliver · 21st January 2007, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by maccy

The relevant section of the documentary is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s

The whole thing is worth watching, though.

Thank you, Maccy.

mailman · 21st January 2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Sorry for the quick trigger on my part but I honestly have seen woowoos present themselves with this question. It usually happens on neocon forums and myspace.

No problems...I guess it takes a bit of time to build up a understanding of new people to the forums.

Oh, just very quickly...the other conspiracist cnut lie that cracks me up is how the evil jooooooooooos own the worlds media.

Considering the absolute **** coverage Israel received during the actions against hisbulla, then thats probably the worlds crappest all time investment!

Regards

Mailman

Falcon Apoda · 21st January 2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by mailman

I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy.

I post over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum... under the handle, "gelignite".

Needless to say, I'm pretty much alone in my views.

Quote:

Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad?

No. And one ridiculous aspect of such a notion is the idea that if they were, then they'd let themselves get caught "dancing" in line-of-sight through Mrs. Kravitz's binoculars.

Or that they'd even be "dancing".

Quote:

And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience?

I recently made the same argument.

MikeW · 21st January 2007, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Falcon Apoda

And one ridiculous aspect of such a notion is the idea that if they were, then they'd let themselves get caught "dancing" in line-of-sight through Mrs. Kravitz's binoculars.

And then, on returning to Israel, you might think that Mossad agents who'd been caught would keep quiet & go to ground. These guys went on television, & four of them later announced they were going to sue the US government for their treatment. Don't know what happened to that lawsuit, I guess it was dismissed or they gave up, but none of this really fits with their being Mossad.

A W Smith · 22nd January 2007, 07:36 AM

were these the guys who were reported by some crank neighbor woman who in the past had issues with the moving company?

mailman · 22nd January 2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Falcon Apoda

I post over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum... under the handle, "gelignite".

Needless to say, I'm pretty much alone in my views.

I post under the name of "Mailman" and am pretty much alone like yourself. The last thread I took part in was about the bombings in London.

The thing that gets me is these so called experts harping on about the Israeli ambassador being told to stay in his hotel room near Liverpool Street station. Funny thing is there arent any hotels near Liverpool Street station and I was told by police to stay in my building that morning too(my office was RIGHT next door to Liverpool Street Station (UBS)) ...so does that mean I was in on the plot too?

To date not conspiracist cnut has confirmed the name of the hotel the evil joooooooo guy was in (simply because no such hotel exists!).

I should go visit them again as I havent been over there for a while

Regards

Mailman

mailman · 22nd January 2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by A W Smith

were these the guys who were reported by some crank neighbor woman who in the past had issues with the moving company?

Thinking back to the events on 7 July last year I have to say that I was smiling, felt excited and generally jovial on the morning of those attacks. I had gotten in to work early (which isnt my normal habit) at 830am, I wasnt at all upset during the day and made a lot of jokes.

Thank f8ck Im not jewish otherwise the conspiracist cnuts would be claiming I was in on the plot!

Mailman

Cl1mh4224rd · 1st February 2007, 07:51 PM

I think the Chinese did 9/11. I mean, just look at the smile on this guy's face. Very suspicious...

Stellafane · 1st February 2007, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

So the five dancing Joooos weren't five, weren't dancing...

So, were they at least Jews? Otherwise, the phrase "five dancing Jews" belongs on that list of expressions, such as "Holy Roman Empire," "People's Republic," and "English Horn," where every single word is wrong!

pomeroo · 1st February 2007, 09:05 PM

I was wondering when the Five Dancing Jews were opening in Vegas, so I asked Mike of 911myths.com. Here is his response:

Hi Ron,

The story goes like this.

It's 9/11. The first tower has been hit. A woman living within sight of it goes to call her friend, then returns to the window with binoculars to take a closer look at what's going on. In a car part below her she notices some guys by a van (maybe standing on it, I forget), behaving in what she thought was an inappropriate way: high-fiving, dancing around. whatever.

She calls the police. The guys in the van (five Israelis) are later picked up. It turns out they work for a company called Urban Moving. The Israeli in charge reportedly "flees the country", and is later listed as wanted by the FBI. Meanwhile the guys in the van are held in prison for months, but eventually returned to Israel. Some newspaper articles report that two or three of them might be Mossad agents (according to an unnamed source) but there's no evidence they knew anything in advance. And that's about it.

The standard CT text on this is http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

However, it does its best to exaggerate the case, as usual. They say this, for instance:

"It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents"

But the report they source says this:

"However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials"

Not "confirmed" - an anonymous person says. Not all, "at least two".

Then they use this feeble argument:

"Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? "

Pathetic. You didn't have to know in advance there was an event -- loads of people took photos to document it.

Anyway, I'd say the case against was this.

First, there's no reason to believe this was some Mossad mission. What would be the point? What footage could they get that would be any better than was on the TV anyway? And why would they draw such attention to themselves? This isn't what you'd imagine Mossad behaviour to be.

Second, they continued to behave just as oddly afterwards. If they were Mossad, captured, held abroad for months, wouldn't you imagine that on returning home you'd lay low for a while? But as you see above, they went on a TV talk show. Later I even read that four of them had taken out a lawsuit against the US government for their treatment. That seems to have disappeared now, but it's still not what you'd expect Mossad agents to do.

Third, even if you say they were Mossad, how does this get you to "inside job"? Although some try to twist it, there's no evidence they were filming ahead of the attacks. The CT source articles say they were sent home as there was no reason to believe they knew about them.

But let's say that could be proved. That Mossad knew about the hijackers and the plan, knew what was going to happen, and let it go ahead so as to draw the US into a war on terror. We still only have a sort of Israeli LIHOP. And in fact the treatment of these five, held in prison for weeks, suggests they weren't doing anything sanctioned by the US. This doesn't fit with the "inside job" thesis at all.

But worse still, the CTs also use the story that Israel DID warn the US of upcoming attacks, to prove their own theories (see http://www.gordonthomas.ie/104.html). Which really doesn't make any sense at all.

Hope this helps. Go look at the WhatReallyHappened page to find out more.

Regards,

Mike

chillzero · 2nd February 2007, 08:12 AM

A woman called the police on a bunch of guys who seemed to be happy?

People deal with situations in different manners, and I could envision some people having good reason to celebrate that day that have nothing to do with a CT plot...
'Thank goodness we put off our trip to the Towers and are alive right now.'
'I just heard from <a friend>. He called to say that he is several blocks away from the Towers now, and safe.'
'Guys, listen a minute - ignore the drama for just one little minute - my <sick relative> pulled through the operation ok. He's gonna be fine.'

Or .. just nervous jostling about to try and deal with the gravity of the situation. Some people laugh uncontrollably in frightening situations. Some freeze. Some call their mates, and then look for someone to be angry with; to blame.

I can't believe even that with everything else the law enforcement already had to deal with that day, that anyone wasted their time with this. If I had seen it, I might have been annoyed - I don't know. If I was, I think the most action I would have taken - on that particular day - was to get a photograph or video of them doing it, and keep it aside. Nobody knew what had happened that day - in terms of who was behind it, or whatever, so I would have waited to show police forces at a later time if it seemed it might be significant.

In fact - didn't this happen between crashes? People thought it was an accident at first, so even less reason for her to call the police on evil terrorists doing a very public victory dance in the middle of her neighbourhood.

20th January 2007, 10:55 AM	#1
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	the 5 dancing joooooooo's I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy. So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing. Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad? And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience? Regards Mailman
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20th January 2007, 11:08 AM	#3
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20th January 2007, 11:10 AM	#4
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MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html is one of the classic CT sources on this. It's notable for taking this: Quote: Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." ...then claiming it's suspicious, because "How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?" The fact that lots of people took photos "to document the event" escapes them, yet even today some people consider this as a worthwhile argument.
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20th January 2007, 11:15 AM	#7
MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	Originally Posted by Oliver I didn´t look deep into the issue - but was there any footage released from the "5 dancing Jews Video"? No, I don't think so.
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20th January 2007, 11:00 AM	#2
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by mailman I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy. So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing. Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad? And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience? Regards Mailman First shot of the invasion? Bit weak if you ask me.

20th January 2007, 11:10 AM	#5
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by babazaroni Looks like a legit question to me. Could be. Could also be the evil mrfreeze undercover as he admits. In either case a real search would find the answer he is looking for.

20th January 2007, 11:19 AM	#8
StoneWT Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 401	Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs.
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20th January 2007, 11:20 AM	#9
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,493	It may be hard to believe, but the "Five dancing Israelis" were actually three and weren't dancing. Source
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20th January 2007, 11:22 AM	#10
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	Originally Posted by babazaroni Looks like a legit question to me. It is a legit question...but perhaps the way I phrased it comes across as a 9/11 conspiracist cnut in hiding? Apologies if that is the case BUT I am most definately NOT a 9/11 conspiracy cnut! Because to me, if I was in New York that day with a video camera what do you think Im going to do with it during the attacks? Sit there and pick my nose while history passes in front of me? Heck no, Im going to video it...which is what I reckon these guys were doing. Regards Mailman
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20th January 2007, 11:23 AM	#11
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by StoneWT Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs. I did see the interview but i was wondering if there is any optical evidence for the dancing story beside the confessions...
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20th January 2007, 11:30 AM	#12
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place? Mailman
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20th January 2007, 11:52 AM	#13
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by mailman You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place? Mailman I heard they did film themselves while "dancing" on 9/11. Maybe i remember it the wrong way...
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20th January 2007, 04:23 PM	#14
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	Thats the story but surely if they were arrested then the police would have also confiscated their video and they would have seen if they were dancing or not? But the fact it hasnt been released would sort of tend to lean more towards the "no such video exists" side of things dont you think? Regards Mailman
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20th January 2007, 04:25 PM	#15
Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,463	Originally Posted by StoneWT Eh, I can send a copy of a British show that featured interviews with some of the Dancing Israelis and the lady that spotted them. The entire program was dedicated to debunking 9/11 CTs. Please!
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20th January 2007, 04:26 PM	#16
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by mailman Thats the story but surely if they were arrested then the police would have also confiscated their video and they would have seen if they were dancing or not? But the fact it hasnt been released would sort of tend to lean more towards the "no such video exists" side of things dont you think? Regards Mailman Well, i´m a skeptic. I know that they confessed the videos but i wouldn´t believe in the story until i saw the footage if they didn´t confessed it already.
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Dog Town Space for Rent Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sunny blue sky, cold water. Posts: 4,463	Originally Posted by Oliver Well, i´m a skeptic. I know that they confessed the videos but i wouldn´t believe in the story until i saw the footage if they didn´t confessed it already. ?????????????????????????????????????
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20th January 2007, 04:38 PM	#18
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Dog Town ????????????????????????????????????? Was that a question?
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20th January 2007, 10:01 PM	#19
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by mailman It is a legit question...but perhaps the way I phrased it comes across as a 9/11 conspiracist cnut in hiding? Apologies if that is the case BUT I am most definately NOT a 9/11 conspiracy cnut! Because to me, if I was in New York that day with a video camera what do you think Im going to do with it during the attacks? Sit there and pick my nose while history passes in front of me? Heck no, Im going to video it...which is what I reckon these guys were doing. Regards Mailman Sorry for the quick trigger on my part but I honestly have seen woowoos present themselves with this question. It usually happens on neocon forums and myspace.

20th January 2007, 10:04 PM	#20
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by mailman You would think the police would have confiscated their video camera aye? Then again maybe the reason there is no footage of them dancing is because none was ever taken in the first place? Mailman Another twisted trick I have heard from the woowoos is claiming that it is suspicious that the white van was also used in the earlier attempt on Bush's life. Those are some really far gone anti-semites.

20th January 2007, 10:31 PM	#21
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	Originally Posted by mailman So does anyone have the low down on these 5 dancing joooooooos or because in all the links provided by the 9/11 conspiracy cnuts that link back to the original hartz article I cant find any references to these guys dancing. Well, you've already been suplied a link to a reputable ABC News story on the event, so I won't repeat that info. But I do want to point out that this "5 Dancing Jooos" myth is just another example of the common CT trick of Guilt By Suspicion. This trick states that because one person's words or conduct appears not to be the way a "normal person" would have acted, everything about the person must be a lie and the truth must be the conspiracy theory. The real fact is that millions and millions of people were involved one way or another with the events of 9/11 or the later investigation. Everybody perceives things differently and everybody acts differently. Some people are going to behave strangely. All it means is that some people behaved strangely. So, assume for the purposes of argument that there were 5 dancing Jooos. Does that mean that they had foreknowledge of the events of that day? Does it mean that Israel planned and executed 9/11? Of course not. All it means is that five Jooos were dancing on 9/11 (although, in fact, the entire story is a myth). Now, here are our two alternatives: 1) the official theory with millions of witnesses including passengers, air traffic controlers, the actual bad guys themselves (by video tape), engineers, firefighters, etc. and with massive amounts of physical evidence; or 2) the various conspiracy theories supported, if at all, by some suspicious behavior by a few people. Which is more likely?
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20th January 2007, 10:40 PM	#22
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Well, its one for the money, Two for the show, Three to get ready, Now go, cat, go. But dont you step on my dancing Joooooooooooes You can do anything but lay off of my dancing jooooooooes

20th January 2007, 10:47 PM	#23
boloboffin Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5,001	A most excellent treatment of the facts behind the five dancing Jooos is the documentary Protocols of Zion. Mark Levin tracks it all down. The five were three, and they were stupid kids.

20th January 2007, 10:47 PM	#24
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,577	Originally Posted by Firestone It may be hard to believe, but the "Five dancing Israelis" were actually three and weren't dancing. Source So the five dancing Joooos weren't five, weren't dancing.. It really ticks me off that these CT nutjobs go to such great lengths to say "we're not anti-Semitic, it's Zionists, not Jews".. and then bring up crap like this.

21st January 2007, 12:51 AM	#25
Free Thinkr Muse Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 733	Um, to my knowledge, the only "5 dancing Jews" is from this forum's "12 days of twoofers."
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21st January 2007, 01:24 AM	#26
valis Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: sebastian. fl Posts: 649	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Another twisted trick I have heard from the woowoos is claiming that it is suspicious that the white van was also used in the earlier attempt on Bush's life. Those are some really far gone anti-semites. But I thought Pres Bush was in on the entire thing? Why would they kill him if at the same time they were in cahoots with him? I'm confused.
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21st January 2007, 03:00 AM	#27
maccy Dalek-Reptilian Hybrid Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 2,094	Originally Posted by boloboffin A most excellent treatment of the facts behind the five dancing Jooos is the documentary Protocols of Zion. Mark Levin tracks it all down. The five were three, and they were stupid kids. The relevant section of the documentary is here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s The whole thing is worth watching, though.
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21st January 2007, 04:39 AM	#28
MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	Heh, just spotted something from the source I posted yesterday. An Irish news site has an archive for 9/12, and that has two stories related to Israelis arrested that day. #1, timed at 4:27 am on 9/12, is headlined "Three arrested with van full of explosives". #2, timed at 4:34 on 9/12, is headlined "Police confirm arrests but deny explosives find". One of these stories is referred to by WhatReallyHappened.com & other sites, the other is entirely ignored. Can you guess which is which?! The site's worth a look, anyway, for a few early stories - see http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/ . There's one about American Airlines releasing the names of passengers, for instance, noting that: Quote: The airline has honoured the requests of those families who have asked that their loved ones' names not be included. Additional names will be released as passengers' relatives are notified. http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/...story23539.asp So much for the manifests being suppressed.
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21st January 2007, 04:49 AM	#29
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by maccy The relevant section of the documentary is here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s The whole thing is worth watching, though. It boils down to three men standing on a van, and acting in a way that Maria found strange ("they didn't look shocked" is what she says). From mouth to mouth it evolved in five dancing Israelis who were there before WTC 1 was hit in order to film the attacks. Five years on, and still this nonsense is around.
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21st January 2007, 07:51 AM	#30
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by maccy The relevant section of the documentary is here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5782546#23m26s The whole thing is worth watching, though. Thank you, Maccy.
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21st January 2007, 09:17 AM	#31
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ Sorry for the quick trigger on my part but I honestly have seen woowoos present themselves with this question. It usually happens on neocon forums and myspace. No problems...I guess it takes a bit of time to build up a understanding of new people to the forums. Oh, just very quickly...the other conspiracist cnut lie that cracks me up is how the evil jooooooooooos own the worlds media. Considering the absolute **** coverage Israel received during the actions against hisbulla, then thats probably the worlds crappest all time investment! Regards Mailman
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21st January 2007, 11:16 AM	#32
Falcon Apoda Student Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 28	Originally Posted by mailman I "troll" over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum and this one is quite a popular conspiracy. I post over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum... under the handle, "gelignite". Needless to say, I'm pretty much alone in my views. Quote: Have these guys really been proven to belong to mosad? No. And one ridiculous aspect of such a notion is the idea that if they were, then they'd let themselves get caught "dancing" in line-of-sight through Mrs. Kravitz's binoculars. Or that they'd even be "dancing". Quote: And so what if they had military records...doesnt everyone in Israel have military experience? I recently made the same argument.
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21st January 2007, 11:25 AM	#33
MikeW Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,911	Originally Posted by Falcon Apoda And one ridiculous aspect of such a notion is the idea that if they were, then they'd let themselves get caught "dancing" in line-of-sight through Mrs. Kravitz's binoculars. And then, on returning to Israel, you might think that Mossad agents who'd been caught would keep quiet & go to ground. These guys went on television, & four of them later announced they were going to sue the US government for their treatment. Don't know what happened to that lawsuit, I guess it was dismissed or they gave up, but none of this really fits with their being Mossad.
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22nd January 2007, 07:36 AM	#34
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	were these the guys who were reported by some crank neighbor woman who in the past had issues with the moving company?

22nd January 2007, 03:36 PM	#35
mailman Critical Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 341	Originally Posted by Falcon Apoda I post over at the liberty forums 9/11 forum... under the handle, "gelignite". Needless to say, I'm pretty much alone in my views. I post under the name of "Mailman" and am pretty much alone like yourself. The last thread I took part in was about the bombings in London. The thing that gets me is these so called experts harping on about the Israeli ambassador being told to stay in his hotel room near Liverpool Street station. Funny thing is there arent any hotels near Liverpool Street station and I was told by police to stay in my building that morning too(my office was RIGHT next door to Liverpool Street Station (UBS)) ...so does that mean I was in on the plot too? To date not conspiracist cnut has confirmed the name of the hotel the evil joooooooo guy was in (simply because no such hotel exists!). I should go visit them again as I havent been over there for a while Regards Mailman
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