What is it with college football players?

Mephisto · 28th January 2007, 07:28 AM

I've never liked college football players. This was especially true after writing an article for my college newspaper (eons ago) about the dismal record of our football team. I suggested that they be allowed to play some of the local middle-schools to bolster their record. I heard later that they were, "looking for me," which prompted a scathing editorial in which I taunted them with, "they haven't beaten anyone yet, what makes them think they can beat me?"

Anyway, when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing? That's easy, they're using their superior mental skills and sportsmanlike-conduct to patriotically weed out potential terrorists.

2 more Guilford students facing charges in racial fight

POSTED: 11:40 a.m. EST, January 26, 2007

GREENSBORO, North Carolina (AP) -- Two more Guilford College football players were charged with ethnic intimidation and assault Thursday in connection with a racially charged fight at the school, a newspaper reported.

That makes five players from the college's football team charged in a weekend attack on three Palestinian students, who said in court documents that they were taunted with racial slurs and called "terrorists" as they were beaten and kicked.

The charges against Jonathan Underwood and Jazz Favors were approved by a magistrate judge after the accusers filed a complaint, the News & Record of Greensboro reported Thursday.

Underwood, 20, also faces one count of communicating threats. He and Favors, whose age was unavailable, were jailed in lieu of $5,000 bail.

Officials at the Guilford County magistrate's office declined to discuss details of the case Thursday.

Authorities previously charged Michael Bates, 19, Michael Robert Six, 20, and Christopher Barnette, 21. They were released Monday on $2,000 bail.

Also Thursday, Guilford officials said they charged five students with violating the school's code of conduct in connection with the assault. Aaron Fetrow, the college's dean for campus life, said he could not identify those students because of federal privacy laws.

Guilford football coach Kevin Kiesel declined to discuss details of the case Thursday but asked that students and faculty not make any premature judgments.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/01....ap/index.html
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"Premature judgements," huh? You mean like assuming that five against three is unfair? You mean like assuming that Palestinian students are terrorists? You mean like assuming that many college atheletes have all their brains down in their neck?

Maybe they'll be kicked out of school in time to be picked up by the surge.

(edited to add) Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players?

Walk The Line · 28th January 2007, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I've never liked college football players...when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing? That's easy, they're using their superior mental skills and sportsmanlike-conduct to patriotically weed out potential terrorists.

Impressive. You've managed to paint the thousands of college football players with a single negative brush. Good job!

Francesca R · 28th January 2007, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players?

Huh? Your posted story says that the legal system has charged them with "ethnic intimidation" and "assault". These sound like hate crimes to me.

The college appears to have charged them with breaking its code because . . . well, it doesn't have the power to level criminal charges.

So yeah . . . sounds like you've got it in for this group.

Tmy · 28th January 2007, 08:54 AM

College football players become indentured servants to the schools. THey arent allowed to make money while the school can make millions off them. All this while they are litterally killing themselves on the field.

You were on the school newspaper. Did they not allow you to make money writing somewhere else? Could they suspend you for what you did in your personal life?? How would you feel if the paper was making millions off your stories and giving you nothing in return?

Jaggy Bunnet · 28th January 2007, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

"Premature judgements," huh? You mean like assuming that five against three is unfair? You mean like assuming that Palestinian students are terrorists? You mean like assuming that many college atheletes have all their brains down in their neck?

No I think he probably meant like assuming that all people charged of crimes are guilty without the tiresome need for a fair trial.

I wonder why someone who is so opposed to prejudice when it comes to Palestinian students is so willing to engage in it when it relates to football players? Maybe it is only OTHER peoples prejudices that he cares about?

fuelair · 28th January 2007, 10:10 AM

Jazz Favors?????

TragicMonkey · 28th January 2007, 10:41 AM

I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football.

AmateurScientist · 28th January 2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football.

It was, but why let the facts get in the way of a good rant?

AS

pipelineaudio · 28th January 2007, 12:07 PM

Anyone who promotes hate crimes prosecution is a big ninny headed moron

Darth Rotor · 28th January 2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I've never liked college football players. (edited to add) Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players?

I hear that Roger Staubach fella was a real horse's ass. So was that Ohio State Craig Krentzel guy, what with his being pre med and all that. Interview: Craig Krenzel

Originally Posted by OSU official site

We all know what Craig Krenzel can do on the field. But what about in class? Hear more from this three-time Academic All-American, molecular genetics major.

What scum.

DR

Tmy · 29th January 2007, 03:40 PM

What if they are terrorists! Boy will apologies be in order!

Loss Leader · 30th January 2007, 11:21 AM

I will agree with you regarding college football players so long as we exclude from your list the University of Georgia Bulldogs. Those athletes are as gods among men - heroic, shining examples of the best of human ability and accomplishment. Their very whims are commands under which the earth itself trembles to obey.

Their names read like a deistic pantheon: Champ Bailey; Kevin Butler; Terrell Davis; George Foster; Randall Godfrey; Ray Goff; Rodney Hampton; Garrison Heart; Orlandis Gary; David Pollack; Fran Tarkenton; Herschel Walker; Eric Zeier and others.

Can there be any doubt? It is great to be a Georgia Bulldog. Go Dawgs!

Beerina · 1st February 2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Anyway, when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing?

Living the life I wish I could live? "Hey, you're going to earn millions later on in professional sports and be retired by 40. Here's free room and board for four years to get you started. Here's your Tensabarrier rope and poles to prevent chaos as women crowd to get in your dormroom door."

Ok, maybe not too many from Guilford are going pro, but I went to U-M, and I don't mean Minnetonka.

Originally Posted by Tmy

College football players become indentured servants to the schools. THey arent allowed to make money while the school can make millions off them. All this while they are litterally killing themselves on the field.

You were on the school newspaper. Did they not allow you to make money writing somewhere else? Could they suspend you for what you did in your personal life?? How would you feel if the paper was making millions off your stories and giving you nothing in return?

marksman · 1st February 2007, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

I heard later that they were, "looking for me," which prompted a scathing editorial

Please post your editorial so we can determine whether it was or was not "scathing." I refuse to believe your ability to write has deteriorated so much since you were in college.

I also note that "Living well is the best revenge." Perhaps they have beaten you, just not in the arena in which you expected. Have you ever gone to a reunion to see how they're doing?

Aoidoi · 1st February 2007, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football.

Lacrosse, football, what's the difference? All those helmet-head jocks are the same!

28th January 2007, 07:28 AM	#1
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	What is it with college football players? I've never liked college football players. This was especially true after writing an article for my college newspaper (eons ago) about the dismal record of our football team. I suggested that they be allowed to play some of the local middle-schools to bolster their record. I heard later that they were, "looking for me," which prompted a scathing editorial in which I taunted them with, "they haven't beaten anyone yet, what makes them think they can beat me?" Anyway, when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing? That's easy, they're using their superior mental skills and sportsmanlike-conduct to patriotically weed out potential terrorists. 2 more Guilford students facing charges in racial fight POSTED: 11:40 a.m. EST, January 26, 2007 GREENSBORO, North Carolina (AP) -- Two more Guilford College football players were charged with ethnic intimidation and assault Thursday in connection with a racially charged fight at the school, a newspaper reported. That makes five players from the college's football team charged in a weekend attack on three Palestinian students, who said in court documents that they were taunted with racial slurs and called "terrorists" as they were beaten and kicked. The charges against Jonathan Underwood and Jazz Favors were approved by a magistrate judge after the accusers filed a complaint, the News & Record of Greensboro reported Thursday. Underwood, 20, also faces one count of communicating threats. He and Favors, whose age was unavailable, were jailed in lieu of $5,000 bail. Officials at the Guilford County magistrate's office declined to discuss details of the case Thursday. Authorities previously charged Michael Bates, 19, Michael Robert Six, 20, and Christopher Barnette, 21. They were released Monday on $2,000 bail. Also Thursday, Guilford officials said they charged five students with violating the school's code of conduct in connection with the assault. Aaron Fetrow, the college's dean for campus life, said he could not identify those students because of federal privacy laws. Guilford football coach Kevin Kiesel declined to discuss details of the case Thursday but asked that students and faculty not make any premature judgments. http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/01....ap/index.html __________ "Premature judgements," huh? You mean like assuming that five against three is unfair? You mean like assuming that Palestinian students are terrorists? You mean like assuming that many college atheletes have all their brains down in their neck? Maybe they'll be kicked out of school in time to be picked up by the surge. (edited to add) Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players?
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28th January 2007, 08:11 AM	#3
Francesca R Girl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: London EC1 Posts: 11,825	Originally Posted by Mephisto Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players? Huh? Your posted story says that the legal system has charged them with "ethnic intimidation" and "assault". These sound like hate crimes to me. The college appears to have charged them with breaking its code because . . . well, it doesn't have the power to level criminal charges. So yeah . . . sounds like you've got it in for this group.
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28th January 2007, 08:54 AM	#4
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	College football players become indentured servants to the schools. THey arent allowed to make money while the school can make millions off them. All this while they are litterally killing themselves on the field. You were on the school newspaper. Did they not allow you to make money writing somewhere else? Could they suspend you for what you did in your personal life?? How would you feel if the paper was making millions off your stories and giving you nothing in return?
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28th January 2007, 10:10 AM	#6
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28th January 2007, 10:41 AM	#7
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Pither Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,094	I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football.
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28th January 2007, 07:48 AM	#2
Walk The Line We ARE Virginia Tech Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 936	Originally Posted by Mephisto I've never liked college football players...when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing? That's easy, they're using their superior mental skills and sportsmanlike-conduct to patriotically weed out potential terrorists. Impressive. You've managed to paint the thousands of college football players with a single negative brush. Good job!

28th January 2007, 09:46 AM	#5
Jaggy Bunnet Philosopher Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sunny Leith Posts: 6,148	Originally Posted by Mephisto "Premature judgements," huh? You mean like assuming that five against three is unfair? You mean like assuming that Palestinian students are terrorists? You mean like assuming that many college atheletes have all their brains down in their neck? No I think he probably meant like assuming that all people charged of crimes are guilty without the tiresome need for a fair trial. I wonder why someone who is so opposed to prejudice when it comes to Palestinian students is so willing to engage in it when it relates to football players? Maybe it is only OTHER peoples prejudices that he cares about?

28th January 2007, 10:59 AM	#8
AmateurScientist JREF Kid Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,325	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football. It was, but why let the facts get in the way of a good rant? AS

28th January 2007, 12:07 PM	#9
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28th January 2007, 12:11 PM	#10
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,264	Originally Posted by Mephisto I've never liked college football players. (edited to add) Why is it that these five students are only being charged with violating a "code of conduct," when they might easily have faced a more serious charge of hate crimes were they not college football players? I hear that Roger Staubach fella was a real horse's ass. So was that Ohio State Craig Krentzel guy, what with his being pre med and all that. Interview: Craig Krenzel Originally Posted by OSU official site We all know what Craig Krenzel can do on the field. But what about in class? Hear more from this three-time Academic All-American, molecular genetics major. What scum. DR
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29th January 2007, 03:40 PM	#11
Tmy Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Republic of Massachusetts Posts: 6,489	What if they are terrorists! Boy will apologies be in order!
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30th January 2007, 11:21 AM	#12
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	I will agree with you regarding college football players so long as we exclude from your list the University of Georgia Bulldogs. Those athletes are as gods among men - heroic, shining examples of the best of human ability and accomplishment. Their very whims are commands under which the earth itself trembles to obey. Their names read like a deistic pantheon: Champ Bailey; Kevin Butler; Terrell Davis; George Foster; Randall Godfrey; Ray Goff; Rodney Hampton; Garrison Heart; Orlandis Gary; David Pollack; Fran Tarkenton; Herschel Walker; Eric Zeier and others. Can there be any doubt? It is great to be a Georgia Bulldog. Go Dawgs!
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Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Mephisto Anyway, when they're not playing football, and they're not drinking and being obnoxious, and they're not hiring strippers who will eventually accuse them of rape, what are they doing? Living the life I wish I could live? "Hey, you're going to earn millions later on in professional sports and be retired by 40. Here's free room and board for four years to get you started. Here's your Tensabarrier rope and poles to prevent chaos as women crowd to get in your dormroom door." Ok, maybe not too many from Guilford are going pro, but I went to U-M, and I don't mean Minnetonka. Originally Posted by Tmy College football players become indentured servants to the schools. THey arent allowed to make money while the school can make millions off them. All this while they are litterally killing themselves on the field. You were on the school newspaper. Did they not allow you to make money writing somewhere else? Could they suspend you for what you did in your personal life?? How would you feel if the paper was making millions off your stories and giving you nothing in return?
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1st February 2007, 11:59 AM	#14
marksman Reality Checker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tarrytown, NY Posts: 5,003	Originally Posted by Mephisto I heard later that they were, "looking for me," which prompted a scathing editorial Please post your editorial so we can determine whether it was or was not "scathing." I refuse to believe your ability to write has deteriorated so much since you were in college. I also note that "Living well is the best revenge." Perhaps they have beaten you, just not in the arena in which you expected. Have you ever gone to a reunion to see how they're doing?

1st February 2007, 08:37 PM	#15
Aoidoi Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,418	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I thought the hired-strippers-rape-accusations was lacrosse, not football. Lacrosse, football, what's the difference? All those helmet-head jocks are the same!
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