Bill Clinton, a great republican president

corplinx · 6th July 2003, 02:47 PM

Lately, I have been getting headaches from reading about the prescription drug benefit. When I hear about it, my mind gets fuzzy and I flash......... back........

"The era of big government is over" Clinton said. Then he proposed an array of expansive programs that he knew would never come to light. It was safe politics. Propose a chicken in every pot since you know congress won't do it. They look bad, you look good.

At least Clinton payed lip service to the ideal of lean, efficient, and minimal government. Newt Gingrich was on the television, he compared government to a vacuum tube and said that they wanted government to be a transistor. It was a good ideal. It made sense. It was a simple message and even joe six-pack could understand it.

Nowadays, it seems the GOP has forgotten the ideals that helped them win the house and senate in 1994. Indeed, I expect Mr. Bush to announce any day "The era of big government is back with a vengeance".

Tormac · 6th July 2003, 06:26 PM

I doubt GW is going to have a second term, just like dad. I think you'll find once the election comes back next time around that much of the hard right base stayed home, or voted for Buchanan again out of protest.

When even media voices like Rush criticize GW for expansive government, it does not bode well for GW. While I doubt there will be an open rebellion in the republican party against their incumbent president, I've heard a lot of grumbling from the libertarianish groups in the Republican party over the heavy hand of government that GW rushed to enact. And his economic policy is not making the laissez-faire right happy either.

The last election was so very close, if any more of the Republican base stays home, or votes for Buchanan, then its by by Bush for a second time.

UnrepentantSinner · 6th July 2003, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by corplinx
Nowadays, it seems the GOP has forgotten the ideals that helped them win the house and senate in 1994. Indeed, I expect Mr. Bush to announce any day "The era of big government is back with a vengeance".

Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?"

ZeeGerman · 6th July 2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner

Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?"

Sorry, off topic...

What's with your avatar? You have a special liking for the guy?

Zee

Yahweh · 7th July 2003, 03:13 AM

Personally I though Clinton was one of my favorite presidents. He had good charisma, improved the economy, etc. I dont care about his mistakes and scandals... What I dont like is presidents who make it repulsively clear to the world they are born-again Christians. It was cute at first but really President Bush, I dont care. I just hope it doesnt come down to another popularity contest again during the next presidential election. Obviously, it will... and America will prove that the candidate with who has the most Jesus in his heart is the next president of the United States.

c0rbin · 7th July 2003, 07:43 AM

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voices like Rush criticize

That fellow has one speed.

shanek · 7th July 2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?"

Well, they at least ran on the principle of small government and maximum liberty. Basically, they hijacked Libertarian rhetoric and the people elected them en masse. It's just a shame they didn't mean it...

7th July 2003, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Yahweh
Personally I though Clinton was one of my favorite presidents. He had good charisma, improved the economy, etc.

Wouldn't this be akin to giving Calvin Coolidge credit for the roaring '20s economy? I know it's not an exact comparison, but it seems close.

Tormac · 7th July 2003, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by c0rbin

That fellow has one speed.

Oh I don't know. I don't remember him ever giving Ronnie anything but praise

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corplinx · 7th July 2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by ManCow

Wouldn't this be akin to giving Calvin Coolidge credit for the roaring '20s economy? I know it's not an exact comparison, but it seems close.

Personally, I thought we in the high tech industry drove the last boom period. Semiconductor, internet, network, Cisco, telecom etc pushed and the bread and butter businesses boomed from selling to the new economy businesses.

Clinton is only responsible for economic growth in that he didn't muck it up through micromanagement. He increased taxes but not so much that it crippled venture.

6th July 2003, 02:47 PM	#1
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Bill Clinton, a great republican president Lately, I have been getting headaches from reading about the prescription drug benefit. When I hear about it, my mind gets fuzzy and I flash......... back........ "The era of big government is over" Clinton said. Then he proposed an array of expansive programs that he knew would never come to light. It was safe politics. Propose a chicken in every pot since you know congress won't do it. They look bad, you look good. At least Clinton payed lip service to the ideal of lean, efficient, and minimal government. Newt Gingrich was on the television, he compared government to a vacuum tube and said that they wanted government to be a transistor. It was a good ideal. It made sense. It was a simple message and even joe six-pack could understand it. Nowadays, it seems the GOP has forgotten the ideals that helped them win the house and senate in 1994. Indeed, I expect Mr. Bush to announce any day "The era of big government is back with a vengeance".
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6th July 2003, 06:26 PM	#2
Tormac Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 399	I doubt GW is going to have a second term, just like dad. I think you'll find once the election comes back next time around that much of the hard right base stayed home, or voted for Buchanan again out of protest. When even media voices like Rush criticize GW for expansive government, it does not bode well for GW. While I doubt there will be an open rebellion in the republican party against their incumbent president, I've heard a lot of grumbling from the libertarianish groups in the Republican party over the heavy hand of government that GW rushed to enact. And his economic policy is not making the laissez-faire right happy either. The last election was so very close, if any more of the Republican base stays home, or votes for Buchanan, then its by by Bush for a second time.
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6th July 2003, 07:12 PM	#3
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,357	Re: Bill Clinton, a great republican president Quote: Originally posted by corplinx Nowadays, it seems the GOP has forgotten the ideals that helped them win the house and senate in 1994. Indeed, I expect Mr. Bush to announce any day "The era of big government is back with a vengeance". Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?"
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6th July 2003, 11:32 PM	#4
ZeeGerman Muse Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Just far enough from Detroit that it's OK Posts: 784	Re: Re: Bill Clinton, a great republican president Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?" Sorry, off topic... What's with your avatar? You have a special liking for the guy? Zee
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7th July 2003, 03:13 AM	#5
Yahweh Ayay ashay ayay Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,029	Personally I though Clinton was one of my favorite presidents. He had good charisma, improved the economy, etc. I dont care about his mistakes and scandals... What I dont like is presidents who make it repulsively clear to the world they are born-again Christians. It was cute at first but really President Bush, I dont care. I just hope it doesnt come down to another popularity contest again during the next presidential election. Obviously, it will... and America will prove that the candidate with who has the most Jesus in his heart is the next president of the United States.
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7th July 2003, 07:43 AM	#6
c0rbin Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,806	Quote: voices like Rush criticize That fellow has one speed.
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7th July 2003, 10:20 AM	#7
shanek by Charles M. Schulz Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 15,990	Re: Re: Bill Clinton, a great republican president Quote: Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner Which ideal was that? "We hate Clinton and you do too, so elect us?" Well, they at least ran on the principle of small government and maximum liberty. Basically, they hijacked Libertarian rhetoric and the people elected them en masse. It's just a shame they didn't mean it...
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7th July 2003, 11:42 AM	#8
ManCow Guest Posts: n/a	Quote: Originally posted by Yahweh Personally I though Clinton was one of my favorite presidents. He had good charisma, improved the economy, etc. Wouldn't this be akin to giving Calvin Coolidge credit for the roaring '20s economy? I know it's not an exact comparison, but it seems close.
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7th July 2003, 11:54 AM	#9
Tormac Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 399	Quote: Originally posted by c0rbin That fellow has one speed. Oh I don't know. I don't remember him ever giving Ronnie anything but praise .
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7th July 2003, 11:59 AM	#10
corplinx JREF Kid Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 8,944	Quote: Originally posted by ManCow Wouldn't this be akin to giving Calvin Coolidge credit for the roaring '20s economy? I know it's not an exact comparison, but it seems close. Personally, I thought we in the high tech industry drove the last boom period. Semiconductor, internet, network, Cisco, telecom etc pushed and the bread and butter businesses boomed from selling to the new economy businesses. Clinton is only responsible for economic growth in that he didn't muck it up through micromanagement. He increased taxes but not so much that it crippled venture.
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