Penn & Teller's Magic Bullet

HeyLeroy · 2nd February 2007, 03:29 PM

After seeing P & T perform the magic bullet live twice, and repeatedly on DVD, and with my knowledge of firearms and ballistics, I think I know how to do it.

Testing to begin soon.

Yes, I know the dangers, I've been studying conjuring and illusion for 30 years. I don't plan on having my head blowed off.

Terry · 2nd February 2007, 03:46 PM

Be careful!

BPSCG · 2nd February 2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

I don't plan on having my head blowed off.

...the president said, as he and Mrs. Kennedy boarded the flight to Dallas...

BTW, if you think you have a way of actually catching the bullet in your teeth, the Mythbusters completely busted this one.

wahrheit · 2nd February 2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Terry

Be careful!

Yeah, mom

HeyLeroy, don't forget to tape everything with a high-speed camera for us. That is, in case it works, of course.

jsfisher · 2nd February 2007, 04:02 PM

Be very sure the laser sights are properly adjusted.

Er, I mean improperly adjusted.

No, I mean adjusted properly to make the trick work.

Sigh. Just remember the movie, A Christmas Story.

HeyLeroy · 2nd February 2007, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Terry

Be careful!

This will go through very extensive testing at the pistol range before I even think of trying it live!

Originally Posted by wahrheit

HeyLeroy, don't forget to tape everything with a high-speed camera for us. That is, in case it works, of course.

Not a chance!

I'm pretty certain I understand the principle; like I said, testing, testing and more testing.

Originally Posted by jsfisher

Be very sure the laser sights are properly adjusted.

Er, I mean improperly adjusted.

No, I mean adjusted properly to make the trick work.

Sigh. Just remember the movie, A Christmas Story.

I've got a laser on my .22 rat-wrecker; the laser'll be very carefully adjusted!

Terry · 2nd February 2007, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

Yeah, mom

You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know!

fuelair · 2nd February 2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Terry

You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know!

No you won't, the icecicles will get you first!!

HeyLeroy · 2nd February 2007, 06:21 PM

Let me clarify: I'm not going to be testing with the .22, I made that comment to explain that I know how to zero a laser or a scope.

I'll be testing with a .357 Magnum, just like P & T.

jsfisher · 2nd February 2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

I'll be testing with a .357 Magnum, just like P & T.

Excellent!!! You will then have two channels for possible success: either in the realm of dramatic stage magic or with the Darwin Awards. Good luck, either way.

HeyLeroy · 2nd February 2007, 06:41 PM

It won't be luck. Proper prior preparation prevents poor performance.

jsfisher · 2nd February 2007, 06:48 PM

Actually, one of the "too bad" things, here, is we are not allowed to discuss how magic tricks are down. Personally, I find how well the trick is done far more interesting. I can throughly enjoy a seasoned master stepping flawlessly through a classic, like the Chinese linking rings, while most of the "big-prop" stage effects bore me. I'd rather know how the trick works and be stunned by the magicians skill instead of misdirected by unexpected antics.

I have even seen Teller perform the cups and balls routine, and it was a joy to watch. By the way, the cups where clear plastic.

But that's just me.

HeyLeroy · 2nd February 2007, 07:17 PM

Yup, them doing the trick with the clear cups is a real treat to watch.

wahrheit · 3rd February 2007, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by Terry

You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know!

HeyLeroy will be fine as long as he can find a partner other than the trigger-happy kitten in his avatar to perform the stunt

Beady · 3rd February 2007, 06:40 AM

Whatever happened to "Don't try this at home"?

Hal Bidlack · 3rd February 2007, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

After seeing P & T perform the magic bullet live twice, and repeatedly on DVD, and with my knowledge of firearms and ballistics, I think I know how to do it.

Testing to begin soon.

Yes, I know the dangers, I've been studying conjuring and illusion for 30 years. I don't plan on having my head blowed off.

Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously.

The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years. Penn and Tellers version is particularly brilliant, and I shall not give anything away here, other than to say you don't always see what you think you see.

This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here.

again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes.

But if not, please don't do it, and please don't involve our forum. Just say no to bullet catches.

Hal

WildCat · 3rd February 2007, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by jsfisher

I have even seen Teller perform the cups and balls routine, and it was a joy to watch. By the way, the cups where clear plastic.

Is this the one?

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I AGREE

jsfisher · 3rd February 2007, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Is this the one?

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I AGREE

Very similar only much longer a schtick, and the cups were plastic if I recall correctly.

WildCat · 3rd February 2007, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack

The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years.

Is this actually true? I always thought that was just part of the spiel, the trick (and I don't think I'm giving anything away here) doesn't actually involve catching a bullet w/ your teeth. Does anyone have a list of the magicians who have died doing this trick?

wahrheit · 3rd February 2007, 07:50 AM

I think you mean this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyvAtQYVok

First they use red plastic cups, and then transparent ones.

Jeff Wagg · 3rd February 2007, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Is this actually true? I always thought that was just part of the spiel, the trick (and I don't think I'm giving anything away here) doesn't actually involve catching a bullet w/ your teeth. Does anyone have a list of the magicians who have died doing this trick?

While not terribly authoritative, Wikipedia has this to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_catch

Anyone who saw the movie "The Prestige" saw how one version was done.

Is the trick dangerous? Yes. Would I or the JREF recommend anyone attempt this trick? No. Is there hype about how many people have died trying to peform this trick? Probably.

I don't know HeyLeroy personally, but if he has 30 years of conjuring experience, I'll have to assume he knows what he's doing.

At any rate, please keep in mind that the explicit exposure of how illusions are performed is not allowed here.

Mercutio · 3rd February 2007, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg

At any rate, please keep in mind that the explicit exposure of how illusions are performed is not allowed here.

Um...you are aware that your wikipedia link contains exactly such an exposure:

Quote:

Spoiler warning: The following section reveals a magic secret.

Azrael 5 · 3rd February 2007, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack

Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously.

This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here.

again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes.

Hal

Whose gonna tell him?

Chunng Ling Soo is the only person(without checking Wiki article)I know who died doing bullet catch(although he wasn't catching it between his teeth).

Beady · 3rd February 2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Azrael 5

Chunng Ling Soo is the only person(without checking Wiki article)I know who died doing bullet catch(although he wasn't catching it between his teeth).

Only one person has died doing the Bullet Catch? Oh, well, that's different. I'm convinced.

jsfisher · 3rd February 2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

I think you mean this one here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyvAtQYVok

First they use red plastic cups, and then transparent ones.

Yep, that's the routine. Beautiful, no?

jsfisher · 3rd February 2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Beady

Only one person has died doing the Bullet Catch? Oh, well, that's different. I'm convinced.

Well, there are more than one way to do the trick. If I recall correctly, the one death involved a muzzle-loaded flint-lock rifle, and there was an "equipment malfunction" involving the ramrod.

Penn and Teller's method is different and of negligible risk (and considering it is performed nightly, it had better be of very low risk).

Azrael 5 · 3rd February 2007, 01:32 PM

P & T's routine is brilliant,the so many "convincers" to the audience.Ive no idea on it.

Beady · 3rd February 2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Azrael 5

P & T's routine is brilliant,the so many "convincers" to the audience.Ive no idea on it.

FWIW, P&T's Bullet Catch was actually developed by Banacheck, who is yet another protege of Randi.

HeyLeroy · 3rd February 2007, 02:49 PM

Alright, I'll shuddup about trying it.

At least six illusionists have died performing this stunt. In one incident, an audience member poured a handful of nails down the barrel of the rifle; in another, the performer successfully performed the stunt when an audience member stood, produced a pistol, and shot him dead.

I can look up the others.

It is an extremely deadly stunt.

Azrael 5 · 3rd February 2007, 03:09 PM

Hal will sleep soundly Hey Leroy

wahrheit · 3rd February 2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Azrael 5

Hal will sleep soundly Hey Leroy

Absolutely. HeyLeroy, maybe consider checking out that transparent cups trick instead

HeyLeroy · 3rd February 2007, 07:09 PM

There are two rules for handling firearms:

ALWAYS assume ANY firearm is loaded, and
NEVER point a firearm at ANYTHING you don't wish to destroy.

I discourage anyone from violating these rules.

Apologies to the JREF.

Jeff Wagg · 3rd February 2007, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Um...you are aware that your wikipedia link contains exactly such an exposure:

Yes, I am.

Jeff Corey · 3rd February 2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack

Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously.

The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years. Penn and Tellers version is particularly brilliant, and I shall not give anything away here, other than to say you don't always see what you think you see.

This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here.

again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes.

But if not, please don't do it, and please don't involve our forum. Just say no to bullet catches.

Hal

Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja?

Azrael 5 · 4th February 2007, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja?

Hans Moretti,mein freund,guten tag!

WildCat · 4th February 2007, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by HeyLeroy

At least six illusionists have died performing this stunt. In one incident, an audience member poured a handful of nails down the barrel of the rifle; in another, the performer successfully performed the stunt when an audience member stood, produced a pistol, and shot him dead.

I don't see how audience members murdering the magician has any bearing on the actual stunt. And the nails thing would only work w/ a muzzle loading firearm.

WildCat · 4th February 2007, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff Corey

Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja?

Dozens of people have been killed attempting this stunt.

HeyLeroy · 4th February 2007, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

I don't see how audience members murdering the magician has any bearing on the actual stunt. And the nails thing would only work w/ a muzzle loading firearm.

The stunt's been around since the 17th century. The guy who died from the nails was using a muzzle-loader.

Azrael 5 · 5th February 2007, 11:26 AM

Saw Hans Moretti performing this on an old tape today.But he was crazy anyway.Allowed by his wife to fire a crossbow-blindfold-at her head!!

NeilC · 6th February 2007, 04:05 AM

It's seems apparant that there are loads of way of performing a bullet catch. Many of them need not be dangerous. The whole gun thing is pretty superfluous really - nobody believes a man can catch a bullet. It's about apparantly getting the marked bullet across the stage to the other person.

I would have thought your choices are to secretly move the bullet, secretly move the mark, or secretly reproduce the mark on a different bullet. The latter would be the cleanest.

2nd February 2007, 03:29 PM	#1
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	Penn & Teller's Magic Bullet After seeing P & T perform the magic bullet live twice, and repeatedly on DVD, and with my knowledge of firearms and ballistics, I think I know how to do it. Testing to begin soon. Yes, I know the dangers, I've been studying conjuring and illusion for 30 years. I don't plan on having my head blowed off.
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2nd February 2007, 03:57 PM	#3
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,567	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy I don't plan on having my head blowed off. ...the president said, as he and Mrs. Kennedy boarded the flight to Dallas... BTW, if you think you have a way of actually catching the bullet in your teeth, the Mythbusters completely busted this one.
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2nd February 2007, 04:01 PM	#4
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,589	Originally Posted by Terry Be careful! Yeah, mom HeyLeroy, don't forget to tape everything with a high-speed camera for us. That is, in case it works, of course.
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2nd February 2007, 04:02 PM	#5
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,337	Be very sure the laser sights are properly adjusted. Er, I mean improperly adjusted. No, I mean adjusted properly to make the trick work. Sigh. Just remember the movie, A Christmas Story.
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2nd February 2007, 04:30 PM	#6
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	Originally Posted by Terry Be careful! This will go through very extensive testing at the pistol range before I even think of trying it live! Originally Posted by wahrheit HeyLeroy, don't forget to tape everything with a high-speed camera for us. That is, in case it works, of course. Not a chance! I'm pretty certain I understand the principle; like I said, testing, testing and more testing. Originally Posted by jsfisher Be very sure the laser sights are properly adjusted. Er, I mean improperly adjusted. No, I mean adjusted properly to make the trick work. Sigh. Just remember the movie, A Christmas Story. I've got a laser on my .22 rat-wrecker; the laser'll be very carefully adjusted!
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2nd February 2007, 03:46 PM	#2
Terry Zeitgeist-impaired Technical Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: logged in to the server Posts: 6,309	Be careful!

2nd February 2007, 04:32 PM	#7
Terry Zeitgeist-impaired Technical Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: logged in to the server Posts: 6,309	Originally Posted by wahrheit Yeah, mom You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know!

2nd February 2007, 05:06 PM	#8
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,891	Originally Posted by Terry You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know! No you won't, the icecicles will get you first!!
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2nd February 2007, 06:21 PM	#9
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	Let me clarify: I'm not going to be testing with the .22, I made that comment to explain that I know how to zero a laser or a scope. I'll be testing with a .357 Magnum, just like P & T.
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2nd February 2007, 06:33 PM	#10
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,337	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy I'll be testing with a .357 Magnum, just like P & T. Excellent!!! You will then have two channels for possible success: either in the realm of dramatic stage magic or with the Darwin Awards. Good luck, either way.
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2nd February 2007, 06:41 PM	#11
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	It won't be luck. Proper prior preparation prevents poor performance.
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2nd February 2007, 06:48 PM	#12
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,337	Actually, one of the "too bad" things, here, is we are not allowed to discuss how magic tricks are down. Personally, I find how well the trick is done far more interesting. I can throughly enjoy a seasoned master stepping flawlessly through a classic, like the Chinese linking rings, while most of the "big-prop" stage effects bore me. I'd rather know how the trick works and be stunned by the magicians skill instead of misdirected by unexpected antics. I have even seen Teller perform the cups and balls routine, and it was a joy to watch. By the way, the cups where clear plastic. But that's just me.
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2nd February 2007, 07:17 PM	#13
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	Yup, them doing the trick with the clear cups is a real treat to watch.
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3rd February 2007, 03:00 AM	#14
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,589	Originally Posted by Terry You'll put your eye out with that thing, you know! HeyLeroy will be fine as long as he can find a partner other than the trigger-happy kitten in his avatar to perform the stunt
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3rd February 2007, 06:40 AM	#15
Beady Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 4,848	Whatever happened to "Don't try this at home"?
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3rd February 2007, 07:40 AM	#16
Hal Bidlack TAM MC Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: colorado Posts: 208	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy After seeing P & T perform the magic bullet live twice, and repeatedly on DVD, and with my knowledge of firearms and ballistics, I think I know how to do it. Testing to begin soon. Yes, I know the dangers, I've been studying conjuring and illusion for 30 years. I don't plan on having my head blowed off. Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously. The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years. Penn and Tellers version is particularly brilliant, and I shall not give anything away here, other than to say you don't always see what you think you see. This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here. again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes. But if not, please don't do it, and please don't involve our forum. Just say no to bullet catches. Hal

3rd February 2007, 07:48 AM	#19
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 23,584	Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years. Is this actually true? I always thought that was just part of the spiel, the trick (and I don't think I'm giving anything away here) doesn't actually involve catching a bullet w/ your teeth. Does anyone have a list of the magicians who have died doing this trick?
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3rd February 2007, 07:50 AM	#20
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,589	I think you mean this one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyvAtQYVok First they use red plastic cups, and then transparent ones.
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3rd February 2007, 08:28 AM	#21
Jeff Wagg Communication and Outreach Manager JREF Staff Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,677	Originally Posted by WildCat Is this actually true? I always thought that was just part of the spiel, the trick (and I don't think I'm giving anything away here) doesn't actually involve catching a bullet w/ your teeth. Does anyone have a list of the magicians who have died doing this trick? While not terribly authoritative, Wikipedia has this to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_catch Anyone who saw the movie "The Prestige" saw how one version was done. Is the trick dangerous? Yes. Would I or the JREF recommend anyone attempt this trick? No. Is there hype about how many people have died trying to peform this trick? Probably. I don't know HeyLeroy personally, but if he has 30 years of conjuring experience, I'll have to assume he knows what he's doing. At any rate, please keep in mind that the explicit exposure of how illusions are performed is not allowed here.

3rd February 2007, 08:59 AM	#22
Mercutio Shakespeare's Sock Puppet Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Live Free Or Die Posts: 16,140	Originally Posted by Jeff Wagg At any rate, please keep in mind that the explicit exposure of how illusions are performed is not allowed here. Um...you are aware that your wikipedia link contains exactly such an exposure: Quote: Spoiler warning: The following section reveals a magic secret.
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3rd February 2007, 09:57 AM	#23
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,171	Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously. This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here. again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes. Hal Whose gonna tell him? Chunng Ling Soo is the only person(without checking Wiki article)I know who died doing bullet catch(although he wasn't catching it between his teeth).
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3rd February 2007, 10:09 AM	#24
Beady Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 4,848	Originally Posted by Azrael 5 Chunng Ling Soo is the only person(without checking Wiki article)I know who died doing bullet catch(although he wasn't catching it between his teeth). Only one person has died doing the Bullet Catch? Oh, well, that's different. I'm convinced.
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3rd February 2007, 01:22 PM	#25
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,337	Originally Posted by wahrheit I think you mean this one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyvAtQYVok First they use red plastic cups, and then transparent ones. Yep, that's the routine. Beautiful, no?
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3rd February 2007, 01:27 PM	#26
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,337	Originally Posted by Beady Only one person has died doing the Bullet Catch? Oh, well, that's different. I'm convinced. Well, there are more than one way to do the trick. If I recall correctly, the one death involved a muzzle-loaded flint-lock rifle, and there was an "equipment malfunction" involving the ramrod. Penn and Teller's method is different and of negligible risk (and considering it is performed nightly, it had better be of very low risk).
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3rd February 2007, 01:32 PM	#27
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,171	P & T's routine is brilliant,the so many "convincers" to the audience.Ive no idea on it.
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3rd February 2007, 02:33 PM	#28
Beady Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 44:57:19N, 73:16:18W Posts: 4,848	Originally Posted by Azrael 5 P & T's routine is brilliant,the so many "convincers" to the audience.Ive no idea on it. FWIW, P&T's Bullet Catch was actually developed by Banacheck, who is yet another protege of Randi.
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3rd February 2007, 02:49 PM	#29
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	Alright, I'll shuddup about trying it. At least six illusionists have died performing this stunt. In one incident, an audience member poured a handful of nails down the barrel of the rifle; in another, the performer successfully performed the stunt when an audience member stood, produced a pistol, and shot him dead. I can look up the others. It is an extremely deadly stunt.
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3rd February 2007, 03:09 PM	#30
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,171	Hal will sleep soundly Hey Leroy
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3rd February 2007, 05:58 PM	#31
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,589	Originally Posted by Azrael 5 Hal will sleep soundly Hey Leroy Absolutely. HeyLeroy, maybe consider checking out that transparent cups trick instead
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3rd February 2007, 07:09 PM	#32
HeyLeroy Vegan Cannibal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Going off the rails on the Crazy Train. Posts: 5,292	There are two rules for handling firearms: ALWAYS assume ANY firearm is loaded, and NEVER point a firearm at ANYTHING you don't wish to destroy. I discourage anyone from violating these rules. Apologies to the JREF.
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3rd February 2007, 08:37 PM	#33
Jeff Wagg Communication and Outreach Manager JREF Staff Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,677	Originally Posted by Mercutio Um...you are aware that your wikipedia link contains exactly such an exposure: Yes, I am.

3rd February 2007, 09:40 PM	#34
Jeff Corey New York Skeptic Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,404	Originally Posted by Hal Bidlack Sorry if I am the guy who doesn't get the joke, and am a party pooper, but as this is on our forum, I feel I must reply on behalf of the JREF, very seriously. The bullet catch is an extraordinarily dangerous trick. A number of magicians have died over the years. Penn and Tellers version is particularly brilliant, and I shall not give anything away here, other than to say you don't always see what you think you see. This trick is not simply potentially lethal, it has been proven lethal. The JREF can not condone anyone attempting this illusion, nor can it accept serious discussion of this on our forum. Please, please, PLEASE do not attempt this trick, and please do not carry on a discussion about method or training here. again, it's possible this is all a big joke, and I'm missing the point, and if so I apologize, I often miss the point of jokes. But if not, please don't do it, and please don't involve our forum. Just say no to bullet catches. Hal Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja?
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4th February 2007, 05:35 AM	#35
Azrael 5 Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Yorkshire,Uk Posts: 4,171	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja? Hans Moretti,mein freund,guten tag!
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4th February 2007, 06:48 AM	#36
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 23,584	Originally Posted by HeyLeroy At least six illusionists have died performing this stunt. In one incident, an audience member poured a handful of nails down the barrel of the rifle; in another, the performer successfully performed the stunt when an audience member stood, produced a pistol, and shot him dead. I don't see how audience members murdering the magician has any bearing on the actual stunt. And the nails thing would only work w/ a muzzle loading firearm.
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4th February 2007, 06:53 AM	#37
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 23,584	Originally Posted by Jeff Corey Yes mein furrier. But the arrow through the frontal cortex is not verboten, ja? Dozens of people have been killed attempting this stunt.
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