"God is the Satan of atheism"

saizai · 7th February 2007, 05:11 PM

http://www.commissionedcomic.com/index.php?strip=665

Davidjayjordan · 7th February 2007, 05:54 PM

Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc.
Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing.

But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son.

Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.

Mercutio · 7th February 2007, 06:03 PM

Does anyone know any of these straw atheists personally?

It certainly does not describe me, nor any I know.

Level · 7th February 2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc.
Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing.

But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son.

Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.

That's some great satire dude!

HighRiser · 7th February 2007, 06:37 PM

Evidently Davidjayjordan is not familiar with this:

Atheism is a religion much in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Please explain how it is, in your opinion, that atheism is a faith-based religion.

Davidjayjordan · 7th February 2007, 06:43 PM

High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH.

They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking.

They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly.

But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive.

Region Rat · 7th February 2007, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH.

They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking.

They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly.

But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive.

I'm curious. Have you ever actually talked to any atheists? I ask because your comments reflect nothing more than regurgitation from some intolerant religious source that is seeking to disparage those that do not believe as they do. If these are actually your original thoughts, I would submit that you need to get out a little more and expand your horizons.

You should also think a little deeper about your argument. Using your definition of atheism, you belong to the religion of not believing in tiny pink unicorns. How do you explain that?

HighRiser · 7th February 2007, 07:03 PM

No. No nonsense. Thank you, but I'm not having any.

Refer to a dictionary or wikipedia and read and understand the literal definition of atheism. Then post here a presentation of how atheism could possibly be faith-based.

Davidjayjordan · 7th February 2007, 07:12 PM

Rat, Of course, I talk and communicate with all kinds of people, because you never know where you will meet a gem in the rough. You don;t find really interesting people on beaten roads of beaten men and usualy not in man's societies and religions.

But hard core athiests are just so stubborn in their religion and way of thinking that it is almost impossible for them to be rational because they revert back to their religion when confronted and fearful.

On Lib Christ, I have been on line for about 110 suggestions to an atheist trying to bed his Christian girlfriend. And he just isn;t making progress, and won;t get what he desires. he just doesn't have the brains or heart or the love to win her into bed...not can he focus for more than a few minutes before4 giving up because of his lack of concentration. Oh well his lose..... because of his extreme faith in nothingness

fuelair · 7th February 2007, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc.
Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing.

But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son.

Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.

No offense, but do you by wild chance live under a bridge? If you do not follow that, I ask because you give the appearance of Troll. This silliness of atheism as a belief system has been gigantically debunked all over this site and others. Short, there is no scientifically valid evidence of any god/god-like being existing (more precisely there is no evidence period). To create the idea of some thing for which there is no evidence requires a belief system bounded by faith or an equivalent. To not "believe" in something for which no evidence of its existence can be found does not require such a system. Atheists do not "have faith" there is no god - they simply point out there is no evidence.

Gord_in_Toronto · 7th February 2007, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH.

They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking.

They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly.

But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive.

Hilarious!

Davidjayjordan · 7th February 2007, 07:16 PM

Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks.

You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow.

Happy nothingness

Davidjayjordan · 7th February 2007, 07:17 PM

Gord, you must be a one line atheist with one line thinking, do try to be deeper to get out of your pit.

Thanks but got to go... Gord. Hope you make it....

fuelair · 7th February 2007, 07:21 PM

By the by, I realised there was no evidence of god/a god when I was six or seven years old (things I was told about god were clearly not a match for what I could easily observe). No evidence ever showed up to prove (or even give a faint indication of the possibility) that I had mistakenly interpreted the situation - though you should know that given certain things that have happened in the world (none to me or mine,by the way) if something did happen that was clear evidence that there actually was a god I would take up arms, hunt it down and do my best to kill it for what it had been responsible for/for allowing.

HighRiser · 7th February 2007, 07:21 PM

That struck me kinda weird. He came here for science?

fuelair · 7th February 2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks.

You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow.

Happy nothingness

Catch my next one -I do believe in reaping and sowing. Oh since I have no respect for you or your beliefs (I do have respect for the beliefs of some xtian and other religionist s- you are not one of them - you're just a spouter) I could not care less about your opinion - but when you come on a site like this loaded down with silliness, troll is a definition, not a name. Have an interesting little life!!

fuelair · 7th February 2007, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by HighRiser

That struck me kinda weird. He came here for science?

Something from Galen or thereabouts I would guess. What a twisted little mind he has!

PenguinWarrior · 8th February 2007, 12:34 AM

Hmmm. By the logic of the comic, the invisible pink unicorn would also be the satan of atheism. Which is all well and good, but would have really taken the punch out of Dante's Inferno as a piece of literature. Of course, I don't think the comic was entirely serious, but then I'm not sure what it's point was in general. Order of the Stick and What's New (With Phil and Dixie) are both better examples of role playing based comics, as far as I'm concerned.

In other news, I can't tell whether Davidjayjordan is serious or not. He has left me thoroughly discombobulated in this matter.

(Yes, I was just looking for an excuse to type "discombobulated", what of it?)

Cheesejoff · 8th February 2007, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

On Lib Christ, I have been on line for about 110 suggestions to an atheist trying to bed his Christian girlfriend. And he just isn;t making progress, and won;t get what he desires. he just doesn't have the brains or heart or the love to win her into bed...not can he focus for more than a few minutes before4 giving up because of his lack of concentration. Oh well his lose..... because of his extreme faith in nothingness

Rofl! Best argument against atheists ever.

Beerina · 8th February 2007, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mercutio

Does anyone know any of these straw atheists personally?

It certainly does not describe me, nor any I know.

There's no shortage of us, going back to Mark Twain and earlier, who savagely assault the concept of the "kind and good creator of the universe" in light of the current state of reality and the described actions in the Bible. But there isn't an actual belief there.

A simple question for Davidjayjordan: Is it logical (or kind, for that matter) to throw someone into Hell because they refused to believe something that, for whatever reason, was designed to be unproveable? Note: I reject out of hand the idea "there are things Man was not meant to know/mysterious are the ways of God".

RenaissanceBiker · 8th February 2007, 07:33 AM

Davidjayjordan, when you denigrate atheists for acting on faith, you basically say, "Atheists are no better than theists." We interpret that as an admission that you have some logical catching up to do.

I don't think you understand the true nature of faith. It is fine to use faith to fill in the gaps of your experience. It is foolish to use faith to deny direct evidence.

Welcome to the forum.

Cello Man · 8th February 2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

...you always get what you deserve...

That's a pretty absolutist statement. By that line of reasoning, do you mean to imply that the 13 million people killed by the Nazis deserved it?

hgc · 8th February 2007, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Rat, Of course, I talk and communicate with all kinds of people, because you never know where you will meet a gem in the rough. You don;t find really interesting people on beaten roads of beaten men and usualy not in man's societies and religions.

You ought to write a book, and call it The Road Less Traveled. Unless the name is already taken. If it is, then you can call your book The Road Less Traveled May Even Have a Few Atheists Worth Saving.

Darth Rotor · 8th February 2007, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

This silliness of atheism as a belief system has been gigantically debunked all over this site and others.

Then call atheism a philosophy, or an ideology. Oh, wait, those might be similar to belief systems.

DR

Dr Adequate · 8th February 2007, 08:13 AM

Poe's Law strikes again!

Is he a real fundie, or is he a Landover Baptist?

Personally, I think that it's a parody. Using semicolons for apostrophes is overplaying his hand.

Dr Adequate · 8th February 2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Then call atheism a philosophy, or an ideology. Oh, wait, those might be similar to belief systems

Yes indeed, just like my philosophy or ideology or belief system that there are no fairies living at the bottom of my garden.

I think perhaps you over-rate this by calling it a system. I don't have a system for not believing in fairies, I just have a distinct lack of fairies.

Davidjayjordan · 8th February 2007, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

There's no shortage of us, going back to Mark Twain and earlier, who savagely assault the concept of the "kind and good creator of the universe" in light of the current state of reality and the described actions in the Bible. But there isn't an actual belief there.

A simple question for Davidjayjordan: Is it logical (or kind, for that matter) to throw someone into Hell because they refused to believe something that, for whatever reason, was designed to be unproveable? Note: I reject out of hand the idea "there are things Man was not meant to know/mysterious are the ways of God".

We are only responsible for what we know and what we could know, just as we are responsible for what we do OR what we could have done. The Lord, the Creator knows our hearts and conditions and so judges or treats us accordingly as He is definitely FAIR.

People always get what they deserve. the churchies will get what they deserve, even though a few of them will make it through. Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions, those without love, look out, again they get what they want and choose and so they justly reap what they have sown.

No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments.

Once you learn this, then you can lighten up and understand life much better and make more good decisions in concert with the needs of others, and even your own need to progress mentally, spiritually and every other way.

but a clue is that you need to absolutely discern the difference between spitrituality and churchianity and the worlds systems and dogma/s It takes time but worth the effort. All the best in your sincere efforts.... if not sincere, then as mentioned we all get what we deserve.

Davidjayjordan · 8th February 2007, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by hgc

You ought to write a book, and call it The Road Less Traveled. Unless the name is already taken. If it is, then you can call your book The Road Less Traveled May Even Have a Few Atheists Worth Saving.

HGC all people are worth talking to even atheists as all people know some truths, and have rejected some lies, except the really really devoid hard core extremists that have literally no more soul or conscience.

I'd rather talk to a good prostitute than a wierd self righteous churchie anyday, and so a sincere talk with a deep atheist who sincerely wants to connect up the dots of life is well worth the time and effort.

For in the End, we are all one and in the same boat, if we get onboard the ultimate truths.

MortFurd · 8th February 2007, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH.

They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking.

They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly.

But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive.

Isn't it hard to reconcile your belief in a god with the rampant evil in our world, most of which is carried out in the name of God?

c4ts · 8th February 2007, 09:53 AM

Not having any religious beliefs to begin with, opposites are irrelevant.

Foster Zygote · 8th February 2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions.

So an atheist like myself really has nothing to worry about. Or are you laboring under the common delusion that atheists are all selfish misanthropes devoid of compassion and empathy?

MortFurd · 8th February 2007, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

HGC all people are worth talking to even atheists as all people know some truths, and have rejected some lies, except the really really devoid hard core extremists that have literally no more soul or conscience.

I'd rather talk to a good prostitute than a wierd self righteous churchie anyday, and so a sincere talk with a deep atheist who sincerely wants to connect up the dots of life is well worth the time and effort.

For in the End, we are all one and in the same boat, if we get onboard the ultimate truths.

Who are these people with no conscience? I am an atheist. I no more believe in god than you believe there's an invisible orange porcupine with pink polka dots living in your shorts.

I most certainly have a conscience. I worry considerably whether what I do is right or wrong. I must live with my decisions and their consequences. If I do wrong, it is my own responsibility to make up for it the best that I can. If I do right and good comes of it, I am pleased.

Do you have a conscience? You can do wrong and need only ask your god to forgive you to absolve you of all guilt. On the other hand, your god bathes you in guilt by making trivialities into sins for which you can be sent into an eternity of torture.

Are you weak? Do you doubt? Did you curse in your god's name as you were dying a painful death? Too bad, you followed the rules for a life time but the final test was too much - to Hell with you.

Were you evil all your life? Killed and raped and beat your wife? No matter, on your death bed you took god into your heart, were "saved" and can live forever in the glory of god.

There's a German expression that describes quite well how gods manage their followers: "Zuckerbrot und Peitsche." Literally "Sweets and Whips."

God whips his followers with the threat of eternal torture. The followers whip each other in his name. And along behind all the pain comes "I love you, love me too and I won't beat you any more." And god promises to forgive you of all the wrong you've done - without ever mentioning all the wrong done by god and by following god.

That I don't believe in your god is a religion just like you not believing in that invisible orange porcupine with pink polka dots in your shorts is a religion.

MortFurd · 8th February 2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

We are only responsible for what we know and what we could know, just as we are responsible for what we do OR what we could have done. The Lord, the Creator knows our hearts and conditions and so judges or treats us accordingly as He is definitely FAIR.

People always get what they deserve. the churchies will get what they deserve, even though a few of them will make it through. Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions, those without love, look out, again they get what they want and choose and so they justly reap what they have sown.

No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments.

Once you learn this, then you can lighten up and understand life much better and make more good decisions in concert with the needs of others, and even your own need to progress mentally, spiritually and every other way.

but a clue is that you need to absolutely discern the difference between spitrituality and churchianity and the worlds systems and dogma/s It takes time but worth the effort. All the best in your sincere efforts.... if not sincere, then as mentioned we all get what we deserve.

Really? The lord is just?

Where was he when millions were killed and tortured during world war 2?
Where was he when millions were tortured and killed following world war 2?
Where was he every time a woman has been raped?
Where was he every time some one was tortured?
Where is he when some sicko does unspeakable things to a baby?

The Lord is just?
This is the same fellow who commanded one of his followers to sacrifice his son?
This is the same fellow who killed all but a select few of the inhabitants of the earth?
This is the same fellow whose holy word commends murder, rape, and incest?

You accuse atheists of not thinking, and close mindedly following a dogmatic set of beliefs. You accuse us of having no conscience.

How can you reconcile within your conscience the concept of a just lord with the knowledge of what is done in his name and what his holy words have commanded ?

jimlintott · 8th February 2007, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks.

You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow.

Happy nothingness

He may have resorted to name calling but I would contend that you started that way.

Here are a couple of gems:

Quote:

People always get what they deserve.

Quote:

No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments.

Suddenly the words Treblinka and Sobibor pop into my head. Maybe you could explain to me why what happened there is people always getting what they deserve? Or is getting what you deserve reserved for after death?

strathmeyer · 8th February 2007, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

People always get what they deserve.

Do they? What about grace? Are you saying that most people don't deserve the love of your god?

supercorgi · 8th February 2007, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc.
Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing.

But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son.

Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.

Cello Man · 8th February 2007, 02:10 PM

Davidjayjordan, would you care to offer your rebuttal to my question in post #22?

kmortis · 8th February 2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Yes indeed, just like my philosophy or ideology or belief system that there are no fairies living at the bottom of my garden.

I think perhaps you over-rate this by calling it a system. I don't have a system for not believing in fairies, I just have a distinct lack of fairies.

Personally, I use the term "Belief System". Since I am a lazy typist, I tend to shorten it to "BS". I think that sums up what they really are, at the end of the day.

Ducky · 8th February 2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by strathmeyer

Do they? What about grace? Are you saying that most people don't deserve the love of your god?

Or the next question: Is he really going to try to defend the notion that all the kids I know under the age of 12 dying of bone cancer and leukemia deserved what they got?

Tricky · 8th February 2007, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

Or the next question: Is he really going to try to defend the notion that all the kids I know under the age of 12 dying of bone cancer and leukemia deserved what they got?

Don't be absurd. People get what they deserve in the next life. This life is just as unfair as it can be. That is the reason there must be an afterlife where everything is judged and resolved fairly. This life would just be too depressing to go on if we thought that things were going to remain eternally unfair. How could you bear to face it?

And God is born.

7th February 2007, 05:11 PM	#1
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Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH. They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking. They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly. But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive.
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7th February 2007, 06:55 PM	#7
Region Rat Stinky Cheese Eater Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sprung from Da Calumet Region Posts: 2,827	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH. They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking. They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly. But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive. I'm curious. Have you ever actually talked to any atheists? I ask because your comments reflect nothing more than regurgitation from some intolerant religious source that is seeking to disparage those that do not believe as they do. If these are actually your original thoughts, I would submit that you need to get out a little more and expand your horizons. You should also think a little deeper about your argument. Using your definition of atheism, you belong to the religion of not believing in tiny pink unicorns. How do you explain that?
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7th February 2007, 07:12 PM	#9
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Rat, Of course, I talk and communicate with all kinds of people, because you never know where you will meet a gem in the rough. You don;t find really interesting people on beaten roads of beaten men and usualy not in man's societies and religions. But hard core athiests are just so stubborn in their religion and way of thinking that it is almost impossible for them to be rational because they revert back to their religion when confronted and fearful. On Lib Christ, I have been on line for about 110 suggestions to an atheist trying to bed his Christian girlfriend. And he just isn;t making progress, and won;t get what he desires. he just doesn't have the brains or heart or the love to win her into bed...not can he focus for more than a few minutes before4 giving up because of his lack of concentration. Oh well his lose..... because of his extreme faith in nothingness
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7th February 2007, 05:54 PM	#2
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc. Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing. But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son. Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.
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7th February 2007, 06:06 PM	#4
Level Scholar Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 51	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc. Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing. But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son. Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists. That's some great satire dude!

7th February 2007, 06:37 PM	#5
HighRiser Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: High above Indianapolis Posts: 340	Evidently Davidjayjordan is not familiar with this: Atheism is a religion much in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby. Please explain how it is, in your opinion, that atheism is a faith-based religion.

7th February 2007, 07:03 PM	#8
HighRiser Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: High above Indianapolis Posts: 340	No. No nonsense. Thank you, but I'm not having any. Refer to a dictionary or wikipedia and read and understand the literal definition of atheism. Then post here a presentation of how atheism could possibly be faith-based.

7th February 2007, 07:12 PM	#10
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc. Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing. But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son. Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists. No offense, but do you by wild chance live under a bridge? If you do not follow that, I ask because you give the appearance of Troll. This silliness of atheism as a belief system has been gigantically debunked all over this site and others. Short, there is no scientifically valid evidence of any god/god-like being existing (more precisely there is no evidence period). To create the idea of some thing for which there is no evidence requires a belief system bounded by faith or an equivalent. To not "believe" in something for which no evidence of its existence can be found does not require such a system. Atheists do not "have faith" there is no god - they simply point out there is no evidence.
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7th February 2007, 07:13 PM	#11
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,409	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH. They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking. They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly. But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive. Hilarious!
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7th February 2007, 07:16 PM	#12
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks. You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow. Happy nothingness
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7th February 2007, 07:17 PM	#13
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Gord, you must be a one line atheist with one line thinking, do try to be deeper to get out of your pit. Thanks but got to go... Gord. Hope you make it....
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7th February 2007, 07:21 PM	#14
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	By the by, I realised there was no evidence of god/a god when I was six or seven years old (things I was told about god were clearly not a match for what I could easily observe). No evidence ever showed up to prove (or even give a faint indication of the possibility) that I had mistakenly interpreted the situation - though you should know that given certain things that have happened in the world (none to me or mine,by the way) if something did happen that was clear evidence that there actually was a god I would take up arms, hunt it down and do my best to kill it for what it had been responsible for/for allowing.
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7th February 2007, 07:26 PM	#16
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks. You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow. Happy nothingness Catch my next one -I do believe in reaping and sowing. Oh since I have no respect for you or your beliefs (I do have respect for the beliefs of some xtian and other religionist s- you are not one of them - you're just a spouter) I could not care less about your opinion - but when you come on a site like this loaded down with silliness, troll is a definition, not a name. Have an interesting little life!!
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7th February 2007, 07:28 PM	#17
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by HighRiser That struck me kinda weird. He came here for science? Something from Galen or thereabouts I would guess. What a twisted little mind he has!
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8th February 2007, 12:34 AM	#18
PenguinWarrior Scholar Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 101	Hmmm. By the logic of the comic, the invisible pink unicorn would also be the satan of atheism. Which is all well and good, but would have really taken the punch out of Dante's Inferno as a piece of literature. Of course, I don't think the comic was entirely serious, but then I'm not sure what it's point was in general. Order of the Stick and What's New (With Phil and Dixie) are both better examples of role playing based comics, as far as I'm concerned. In other news, I can't tell whether Davidjayjordan is serious or not. He has left me thoroughly discombobulated in this matter. (Yes, I was just looking for an excuse to type "discombobulated", what of it?)
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8th February 2007, 03:57 AM	#19
Cheesejoff Thinker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 216	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan On Lib Christ, I have been on line for about 110 suggestions to an atheist trying to bed his Christian girlfriend. And he just isn;t making progress, and won;t get what he desires. he just doesn't have the brains or heart or the love to win her into bed...not can he focus for more than a few minutes before4 giving up because of his lack of concentration. Oh well his lose..... because of his extreme faith in nothingness Rofl! Best argument against atheists ever.
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8th February 2007, 06:28 AM	#20
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by Mercutio Does anyone know any of these straw atheists personally? It certainly does not describe me, nor any I know. There's no shortage of us, going back to Mark Twain and earlier, who savagely assault the concept of the "kind and good creator of the universe" in light of the current state of reality and the described actions in the Bible. But there isn't an actual belief there. A simple question for Davidjayjordan: Is it logical (or kind, for that matter) to throw someone into Hell because they refused to believe something that, for whatever reason, was designed to be unproveable? Note: I reject out of hand the idea "there are things Man was not meant to know/mysterious are the ways of God".
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8th February 2007, 07:33 AM	#21
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 6,793	Davidjayjordan, when you denigrate atheists for acting on faith, you basically say, "Atheists are no better than theists." We interpret that as an admission that you have some logical catching up to do. I don't think you understand the true nature of faith. It is fine to use faith to fill in the gaps of your experience. It is foolish to use faith to deny direct evidence. Welcome to the forum.
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8th February 2007, 07:50 AM	#22
Cello Man Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,035	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan ...you always get what you deserve... That's a pretty absolutist statement. By that line of reasoning, do you mean to imply that the 13 million people killed by the Nazis deserved it?
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8th February 2007, 08:01 AM	#23
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,986	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Rat, Of course, I talk and communicate with all kinds of people, because you never know where you will meet a gem in the rough. You don;t find really interesting people on beaten roads of beaten men and usualy not in man's societies and religions. You ought to write a book, and call it The Road Less Traveled. Unless the name is already taken. If it is, then you can call your book The Road Less Traveled May Even Have a Few Atheists Worth Saving.
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8th February 2007, 08:08 AM	#24
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,225	Originally Posted by fuelair This silliness of atheism as a belief system has been gigantically debunked all over this site and others. Then call atheism a philosophy, or an ideology. Oh, wait, those might be similar to belief systems. DR
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8th February 2007, 08:13 AM	#25
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Poe's Law strikes again! Is he a real fundie, or is he a Landover Baptist? Personally, I think that it's a parody. Using semicolons for apostrophes is overplaying his hand.

8th February 2007, 08:20 AM	#26
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor Then call atheism a philosophy, or an ideology. Oh, wait, those might be similar to belief systems Yes indeed, just like my philosophy or ideology or belief system that there are no fairies living at the bottom of my garden. I think perhaps you over-rate this by calling it a system. I don't have a system for not believing in fairies, I just have a distinct lack of fairies.

8th February 2007, 09:45 AM	#27
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by Beerina There's no shortage of us, going back to Mark Twain and earlier, who savagely assault the concept of the "kind and good creator of the universe" in light of the current state of reality and the described actions in the Bible. But there isn't an actual belief there. A simple question for Davidjayjordan: Is it logical (or kind, for that matter) to throw someone into Hell because they refused to believe something that, for whatever reason, was designed to be unproveable? Note: I reject out of hand the idea "there are things Man was not meant to know/mysterious are the ways of God". We are only responsible for what we know and what we could know, just as we are responsible for what we do OR what we could have done. The Lord, the Creator knows our hearts and conditions and so judges or treats us accordingly as He is definitely FAIR. People always get what they deserve. the churchies will get what they deserve, even though a few of them will make it through. Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions, those without love, look out, again they get what they want and choose and so they justly reap what they have sown. No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments. Once you learn this, then you can lighten up and understand life much better and make more good decisions in concert with the needs of others, and even your own need to progress mentally, spiritually and every other way. but a clue is that you need to absolutely discern the difference between spitrituality and churchianity and the worlds systems and dogma/s It takes time but worth the effort. All the best in your sincere efforts.... if not sincere, then as mentioned we all get what we deserve.
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8th February 2007, 09:48 AM	#28
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by hgc You ought to write a book, and call it The Road Less Traveled. Unless the name is already taken. If it is, then you can call your book The Road Less Traveled May Even Have a Few Atheists Worth Saving. HGC all people are worth talking to even atheists as all people know some truths, and have rejected some lies, except the really really devoid hard core extremists that have literally no more soul or conscience. I'd rather talk to a good prostitute than a wierd self righteous churchie anyday, and so a sincere talk with a deep atheist who sincerely wants to connect up the dots of life is well worth the time and effort. For in the End, we are all one and in the same boat, if we get onboard the ultimate truths.
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8th February 2007, 09:53 AM	#29
MortFurd Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: An American in Germany Posts: 1,975	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan High Rise, please explain how they are not a FAITH. They are groupies that need support in believeing their nothingness and validating their lack of thinking. They have trouble actually getting together because then they have nothing in comon literally, and no real socialization skills because they don't believe they reap what they sow and so tend to hide in cyberspace whereas previous eons they hide even more secretly. But they do have their preachers, and their articles of FAITH, and their belief systems that better be followed by their faithful followers of nothingness. But following vapours does tend to be rather elusive. Isn't it hard to reconcile your belief in a god with the rampant evil in our world, most of which is carried out in the name of God?

8th February 2007, 09:53 AM	#30
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8th February 2007, 10:19 AM	#31
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,382	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions. So an atheist like myself really has nothing to worry about. Or are you laboring under the common delusion that atheists are all selfish misanthropes devoid of compassion and empathy?
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8th February 2007, 10:24 AM	#32
MortFurd Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: An American in Germany Posts: 1,975	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan HGC all people are worth talking to even atheists as all people know some truths, and have rejected some lies, except the really really devoid hard core extremists that have literally no more soul or conscience. I'd rather talk to a good prostitute than a wierd self righteous churchie anyday, and so a sincere talk with a deep atheist who sincerely wants to connect up the dots of life is well worth the time and effort. For in the End, we are all one and in the same boat, if we get onboard the ultimate truths. Who are these people with no conscience? I am an atheist. I no more believe in god than you believe there's an invisible orange porcupine with pink polka dots living in your shorts. I most certainly have a conscience. I worry considerably whether what I do is right or wrong. I must live with my decisions and their consequences. If I do wrong, it is my own responsibility to make up for it the best that I can. If I do right and good comes of it, I am pleased. Do you have a conscience? You can do wrong and need only ask your god to forgive you to absolve you of all guilt. On the other hand, your god bathes you in guilt by making trivialities into sins for which you can be sent into an eternity of torture. Are you weak? Do you doubt? Did you curse in your god's name as you were dying a painful death? Too bad, you followed the rules for a life time but the final test was too much - to Hell with you. Were you evil all your life? Killed and raped and beat your wife? No matter, on your death bed you took god into your heart, were "saved" and can live forever in the glory of god. There's a German expression that describes quite well how gods manage their followers: "Zuckerbrot und Peitsche." Literally "Sweets and Whips." God whips his followers with the threat of eternal torture. The followers whip each other in his name. And along behind all the pain comes "I love you, love me too and I won't beat you any more." And god promises to forgive you of all the wrong you've done - without ever mentioning all the wrong done by god and by following god. That I don't believe in your god is a religion just like you not believing in that invisible orange porcupine with pink polka dots in your shorts is a religion.

8th February 2007, 10:35 AM	#33
MortFurd Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: An American in Germany Posts: 1,975	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan We are only responsible for what we know and what we could know, just as we are responsible for what we do OR what we could have done. The Lord, the Creator knows our hearts and conditions and so judges or treats us accordingly as He is definitely FAIR. People always get what they deserve. the churchies will get what they deserve, even though a few of them will make it through. Non religious people who have love have a much greater chance of making the grade of love with their actions, those without love, look out, again they get what they want and choose and so they justly reap what they have sown. No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments. Once you learn this, then you can lighten up and understand life much better and make more good decisions in concert with the needs of others, and even your own need to progress mentally, spiritually and every other way. but a clue is that you need to absolutely discern the difference between spitrituality and churchianity and the worlds systems and dogma/s It takes time but worth the effort. All the best in your sincere efforts.... if not sincere, then as mentioned we all get what we deserve. Really? The lord is just? Where was he when millions were killed and tortured during world war 2? Where was he when millions were tortured and killed following world war 2? Where was he every time a woman has been raped? Where was he every time some one was tortured? Where is he when some sicko does unspeakable things to a baby? The Lord is just? This is the same fellow who commanded one of his followers to sacrifice his son? This is the same fellow who killed all but a select few of the inhabitants of the earth? This is the same fellow whose holy word commends murder, rape, and incest? You accuse atheists of not thinking, and close mindedly following a dogmatic set of beliefs. You accuse us of having no conscience. How can you reconcile within your conscience the concept of a just lord with the knowledge of what is done in his name and what his holy words have commanded ?

8th February 2007, 10:38 AM	#34
jimlintott Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 2,894	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Yes troll, you are getting desperate in your religious beliefs because you are resorting to name calling and defamation, just like the churchies do when threatened with something beyond their belief system. exactly the same modus operandi. Thanks for the confirmation, but I do have to go because I came here for science not religion. And just had to post 15 times to get the right to post hyperlinks. You deserve your religion fuelair, you always get what you deserve, even though you don;t believe in reaping what you sow. Happy nothingness He may have resorted to name calling but I would contend that you started that way. Here are a couple of gems: Quote: People always get what they deserve. Quote: No one gets what they don't deserve, the Lord is just, much much much much more than us and our so called sanctimonious judgments. Suddenly the words Treblinka and Sobibor pop into my head. Maybe you could explain to me why what happened there is people always getting what they deserve? Or is getting what you deserve reserved for after death?
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8th February 2007, 10:39 AM	#35
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan People always get what they deserve. Do they? What about grace? Are you saying that most people don't deserve the love of your god?

8th February 2007, 12:09 PM	#36
supercorgi Dog Everlasting Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: State of Confusion, Massachusetts, USA Posts: 2,525	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Not exactly, as only hard core, non thinking atheists who are absolutely closed minded in their ways and totally devoid of any hope would be in such a state. Some athiests still have a chance and can get beyond the bounds of their lack of thinking and proofs, some are just mixed up and have little discernment because of their situations and backgrounds etc. Mind you atheism isn't agnostic, in its extreme state, it is a religion based on FAITH and their invisable vapourous principles. They love to group together and meet together and sing their praises together just as with other religions. They are groupies who need the support of their group to exist, as it is such a lonely existence believeing in nothing. But a better statement might have been the LORD is the Satan of Satanists. That would be a correct statnment few could differ with. Satanists hate Jesus because to them he is bad, because everyhting he taught differs from their God, Satan. But they get what they deserve, and have their time in the Sun under their son. Yes, Jesus is the Satan of atheists, hard core no brain atheists.
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