432 shows harmony of Sun, Moon, Earth Design - Page 10

Jimbo07 · 10th February 2007, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

I mean as said before they can only go out this far rather than to the Moon, but why 216,000 feet,

The only time the space shuttle will be at 66 km is during launch and re-entry (the subject of the article). For normal operations at the ISS, the mean orbit is approximately 350 km, or according to the article:

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Orbiting 357 kilometers above Massachusetts in the United States, Robinson rode the station’s Canadarm 2 robot arm to two places where pieces of ceramic-coated gap filler fabric protruded from between Discovery’s heat-shield tiles. With gloved fingers, he gently tugged the protrusions until they came out.

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“This particular subject is not well understood because nobody else flies in these machines,” ... “Nobody else flies mach 22 [22 times the speed of sound] at 216,000 feet [65.8 kilometers],” he added, “ ... the only data we’ve got comes from the shuttle and that’s all there is in the world.”

This is during re-entry when the proof of the gap filler would really have to be in the pudding. The reason for this particular statement is that Columbia started to break up around 40 miles... or 211,200 ft.

There's either a profound lack of reading comprehension going on here, or I'm going to join with the chorus calling Troll...

bruto · 10th February 2007, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Bruto, you guysd are such extremists.

Liars don;t lie all the time, they would lose all cresibility, they wait til there is an advantage to their BOG LIE. How long have I been with you, and yet you don;t understand the simpliest of facts about human nature, and you want to believe every gullible lie for the goyum and yet reject truths that could help you. Surely your CONSPIRACY BOARD has some truths being talked about there. Surely.

Otherwise try Whatreallyhappenned.com Its rather worldly in some of its interpretations, but at least some very revealing truths are there besides we have to discern everything, no truth is handed to you on a platter, you have to SEEK to find. That's why I was able to find the correct distance to the Moon when you wanted a more precise measurement and why.

Amazing Amazing.... TYL

You, sir, are unspeakably arrogant.

But I do seek and discern, and that is why I find the warmed-over, half-digested contents of your platter so unappetizing.

So how far from the earth is the moon, now?

Paul · 10th February 2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

So call me a liar if you like,

If you insist.

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but that's hardly discussing a topic,

Sorry, didn't realise you wanted to discuss anything.

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besides Beleth, how can New Jerusalem have a wall around it it it has straight sides and is a cube. Its sides and WALLs should be 12,000 furlongs according to your architecture. NO Beleth, it has a wall and then a phi pyramid within.

Is it one of those infinite improbability walls?

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All space encapsulates cubes, not sphers or any other geometric shape, because with cubes there is no unfilled space. New jerusalem includes its wall, and its phi pyramid as that projercts to all the Universe as mentioned

Do these other shapes not exist, or are they merely unencapsulated?

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And the capstone is Jesus.

That must be a bit of a comedown; sun of god to architectural feature.

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calling someone a liar and a idolator is a rather severe accussation so if wrong, well you know.

Is it bed without any supper?

bolding mine again

wollery · 10th February 2007, 11:23 PM

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular.

RecoveringYuppy · 11th February 2007, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by wollery

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles.

Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure.

BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference?

Gord_in_Toronto · 11th February 2007, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

No Gord, from Toronto, it is me versus your lying about me. I'm telling you to stop, and suggesting you not lie, and fraudently misquote me, by writing in your own words in my QUOTE BOX

This is against almost the rules of every discussionboard I have ever been on.

Don't do it again, as I would rather contiue to believe that what honest posters put in QUOTES here are actually the quotes of the one that wrote it. You do a great dis-service in your fradulent quoting, as readers may doubt what is in GREY. So apologise and move on.

Why do you think you are above the rules of common decency and respect and proper debate or discussion. you don't get points for FRAUD

I have asked you for evidence evidence of me doing any of the above and you have not provided any.

You have said I am lying and suggested that I have engaged in FRAUD.

Will please either supply such evidence or apologize to me?

I really don't care what your "beliefs" are but from the responses from others in this thread they don't seem be be gaining any credibity. I don't have any wish to shut you down as I find great amusement in what you have to say. As has been said many times on the sci.skeptic group on Newsnet about "reality challenged" posters -- "If we don't engage them here, they will be out bothering people in the real world".

Foster Zygote · 11th February 2007, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by jsfisher

I believe the quoted statement was about a particular point of speed and altitude during reentry, not orbit.

I agree. But Djj indicates that he has misinterpreted this quote as being the operational altitude of the shuttle in orbit. But this is a perfect example of the way he thinks. Any time he finds a number that he likes he tries to attribute some significance to it. Of course, he doesn't even need to find his magic numbers because he can round up or down anything remotely near the magic value and say "it's close enough". But where is the significance of the shuttle orbiting at 1/5280th the distance to the Earth/moon Lagrange point? And as Wollery and I have pointed out, neither of these values is correct anyway. It seems that any two or more metrics are suitable for a magical ratio. You could have inches to kilograms, miles to hours, liters to degrees C etc. I get the sense that Djj would argue it was proof of God if he took a drive and stopped about 40.9 miles from his house to pee at a rest stop.

wollery · 11th February 2007, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure.

BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference?

The maths is pretty complex, not least because you're dealing with an elliptical orbit, and if you're going to do it properly you also need to take into account the Sun's gravitational influence. Most sites I've looked at give values between 199,000 and 202,000 miles, depending on what values they take, what sort of orbit the assume, and which method of calculation they use. The above value is a back of the envolope calculation of the instantaneous value for the zero-g point at mean Moon distance.

The main point is, it's a lot less than 216,000 miles.

Paulhoff · 11th February 2007, 09:01 AM

Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun.

Paul

Gord_in_Toronto · 11th February 2007, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun.

Paul

Yes. But until you accept the ancient secret mysteries of Phi, I can't tell you.

wollery · 11th February 2007, 09:07 AM

Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon.

Paulhoff · 11th February 2007, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by wollery

Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon.

Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out.

Paul

RecoveringYuppy · 11th February 2007, 09:14 AM

Tides can be confusing can't they?

The Earth and it's oceans would be a sphere if there were no outside influence, agreed? Imagine then, putting the Moon where it is. The Earth is 8,000 miles across. That means the side of the Earth closer to the Moon is going to be "pulled on" harder than the part further away. So the side closest to the Moon is displaced towards the Moon. The center of the Earth is also displaced towards the Moon but a bit less. And the oceans on the far side from the Moon are pulled even less. This leads to stretching.

So when looking at a drawing of tides it seems counter intuitive that the Moon would raise tides on opposite sides of the Earth. But it's more accurate to think that the Earth is being pulled out from under the ocean on one side of the Earth.

ETA: I see I'm too slow today.

wollery · 11th February 2007, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out.

Paul

This effect does exist, but is minute compared to the gravitational pull of the Moon and Sun.

ETA Sorry, just to clarify, the barycentre of the Earth Moon system is well within the Earth, and it's orbital period is ~28 days, so the centripetal acceleration is very small.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by wollery

Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo.

The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular.

Darn Wolley, now you are saying NASA made a typo... and using fluctuation variation as I did before, and yet I got condemned for saying such.

Whatever, an amzingly FIND I saw was the fluctuation orbits of the earth and Moon as the Earth is cojoined to the MOON it seems. And I shant go further on that topic as it is part of the Sexual Mysteries, and the Earth is attracted to the SUN when the Moon is away from the earth. Wheres that graphic...... the perfect orbit of the Earth around the SUN does not exist as there is b*** center. You must know about it, as gravitational forces of the Earth and Moon with the Sun/Son make its pathway orbit a point outside their masses. Hmm maybe this is why there is that gravitational gap between the Earth and ther Moon exists. Just compare the masses of the Moon and earth, and then see if that ratio is the same ratio of 240,000 with 216,00 or vice versa with 26,000. Check it out and I will try to get that link for you, but I'm sure you must have studied it previously. The wobble pathway of the earth, YES, but the cojoined Earth Moon Masses together make a perfect circle... amazing, which means the future cojoining would be ........

RecoveringYuppy · 11th February 2007, 10:14 AM

The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct.

There are no perfect circles in evidence.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 10:16 AM

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct.

There are no perfect circles in evidence.

Yuppy we must get to the perfect exact Platonic solids, that were hypothesised by Platon and yet just recently have all been found in real life, because real biology by DESIGN has to folow the laws of geometry and balance.

Maybe I shall have to start a thread on these Platonic solids to show more geometric truths.

And see above as I search again for that perfcet cicle via the bary center of the cojoined earth and Moon... and even give you a scripture that might be a little too graphic for the faint of heart concerning sowing in the Earth.

I love perfection and exactness when we finnally find it, as the Lord is always exact and balanced and harmonic. Thats what true scientist do they look for patterns and exactness as laws of the Creator are exact once we find the exact equation and equations.

for that is the point of http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...arofDavid.html

Once I get it proof read HERE and elsewhere...

Timble · 11th February 2007, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

You're making the mistake of taking rounded up (or down) mean values as exact values then wondering why you can't make the maths work.

Also it's not significant that it's a tenth, if it'd been a third, a quarter, a twenty-third, you'd have claimed that it had some meaning.

Paulhoff · 11th February 2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1)

But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring.

Talk about an over active (mind?) looking for patterns anywhere and everywhere, I can see DJJ now walking around in the desert looking for patterns in the stones laying around and given them some hidden meaning to a big plan of a so-called god. He is one big sick puppy and needs way more help then we can ever give him, anyone have some de-worming medicine.

Paul

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 10:34 AM

Von Braun knew of 216,000 miles as well

Wolley and ALL, Both NASA and Von Braun agree that the neutral point between the earth and the Moon is 216,000

SEE http://www.fixedearth.com/tides.htm

And the bibliogrpahy afterwards.. So NASA didnt make a typo, Wolley

And 216,000 miles from earth is the exact point in other words where the barycenter (might be speeled bery center, lost that hyperlink) must be located to make that exact center revolve around the Sun, or **********

this is hwy this berry center exactly 216,000 miles away from the Earth, revolves in an exact circle around the SUN...why because the Earth and Moon are cojoined and gravitationally must act as one at the bery center,
hence allowing the MOON to revolve around the Earth while their berry center continues in a perfcet circle around the Sun at exactly 216,000 miles away from the earth.

Whewee, don't you just love it when things and concepts CUM together like the Earth and the Moon. And to think calling down the Moon by the ancients was of course devoid, because of their source. But you will balk at that, so lets keep to science and the amazing 216,000 mile distance....

Paulhoff · 11th February 2007, 10:44 AM

Oh, here is a question for Davidjayjordan, (the seeker of patterns that are not there), are the astronauts that are in orbit in a gravity field or not.

Paul

Terry · 11th February 2007, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Von Braun knew of 216,000 miles as well

Wolley and ALL, Both NASA and Von Braun agree that the neutral point between the earth and the Moon is 216,000

SEE http://www.fixedearth.com/tides.htm

And the bibliogrpahy afterwards.. So NASA didnt make a typo, Wolley

And 216,000 miles from earth is the exact point in other words where the barycenter (might be speeled bery center, lost that hyperlink) must be located to make that exact center revolve around the Sun, or **********

this is hwy this berry center exactly 216,000 miles away from the Earth, revolves in an exact circle around the SUN...why because the Earth and Moon are cojoined and gravitationally must act as one at the bery center,
hence allowing the MOON to revolve around the Earth while their berry center continues in a perfcet circle around the Sun at exactly 216,000 miles away from the earth.

Whewee, don't you just love it when things and concepts CUM together like the Earth and the Moon. And to think calling down the Moon by the ancients was of course devoid, because of their source. But you will balk at that, so lets keep to science and the amazing 216,000 mile distance....

Sorry, but that is not correct. They barycenter of the earth/moon system is actually below the surface of the earth. And the orbit of the barycenter of the earth/moon system around the sun is not a perfect circle, but is eliptical, albeit with a low eccentricity.

cyborg · 11th February 2007, 10:58 AM

Djj, why is the mile so goddamn special?

Why is decimal system so goddamn special?

Do you understand the fundamental issue we have with taking arbitrary HUMAN measuring systems and claiming they have divine providence?

Try reworking your numerology with something more basic, like Plank's constant and binary. (Binary form being the least complex system that is perfectly sufficient for the transmission of any information and hence I will reason as being divine for the purposes of this discussion.)

Paulhoff · 11th February 2007, 11:02 AM

01000100010010100100101000100000011101110110111101 11010101101100011001000110111000100111011101000010 00000110101101101110011011110111011100100000011000 10011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000 01101001011001100010000001101001011101000010000001 10001001101001011101000010000001101000011010010110 11010010000001101001011011100010000001110100011010 00011001010010000001100001011100110111001100101110

Paul

strathmeyer · 11th February 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

But if he really believes all this stuff, then is it fair to call him a troll?

If you believe something, you should be able to explain the belief. You know, with words. Also, it should be easier to do this in a discussion because people will be asking you questions and getting you to clairify unclear statements.

Ladewig · 11th February 2007, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by strathmeyer

If you believe something, you should be able to explain the belief. You know, with words. Also, it should be easier to do this in a discussion because people will be asking you questions and getting you to clairify unclear statements.

Yes, one should be able to do that. It is clear that that clarification is not occurring. However, while the lack of clarification could be troll activity, it also could just be the result of difficulty processing language. In general, that difficulty might come from a person's educational background, organic problems (dyslexia or mild aphasia), or even certain types of mental illness (I stress "might"). I suppose willful ignorance is another possibility.

As I said before, Djj has several web pages that match his posting style and those pages predate his appearance here. I am willing to ascribe some of the statements not related to numerology and angels to troll activity, but the core of his beliefs appear to me to be deeply-held opinions.

Ladewig · 11th February 2007, 12:08 PM

Djj, I find the language you used in post #381 to be inappropriate for a science discussion. As a poster (not an administrator, not a moderator), I ask you to focus on the matter being discussed.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Timble

You're making the mistake of taking rounded up (or down) mean values as exact values then wondering why you can't make the maths work.

Also it's not significant that it's a tenth, if it'd been a third, a quarter, a twenty-third, you'd have claimed that it had some meaning.

Even though I am nicely tempted in viewing your cross, or its lovely placement in your pic, i do have to come back and remember other ratios like 1 to 10, or better yet 1 to 11, because HERE we are not allowed to post 1 on 1, if you know what I mean.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Djj, I find the language you used in post #381 to be inappropriate for a science discussion. As a poster (not an administrator, not a moderator), I ask you to focus on the matter being discussed.

My sincerist apologies was it a mention of sexual mysteries that concern phi or the placement of the planets or the union of earth and moon as HERE, and its union and correspondances with scripture.

Darn, and now you will probably say I shouldn;t have mentioned the cross placement on trimble, its only a pic, Lade.

But seeing my reporting of ovbvious violations and the lack of apologies when I have been called everything under the Sun have apparrently gone unnoticed, I think my apology is sufficvient here,

SEE I checked myself in the above posting. It's inuendo, vause I just elude to s mysteries without offending real adults.

But if Timble is offended I shall remove my post from above.

Darn, why do you now ask for apologies after all that was done to me, wehn we are NOW making progress and finding out about 216. Your timing is uspect or is it because you dislike connections.. Whoops there's possibly another innuinendo, even if I misspell it.

Davidjayjordan · 11th February 2007, 12:35 PM

For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined.

And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son.

http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm

Terry · 11th February 2007, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined.

And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son.

http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm

That says that the earth's orbit is an elipse perturbed by the moon. Not a perfect circle. In fact, the word circle is only mentioned once in that page, refering to the earth's equator.

Ladewig · 11th February 2007, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Darn, why do you now ask for apologies after all that was done to me,

I didn't ask for an apology.

jsfisher · 11th February 2007, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined.

And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son.

http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm

DJJ, I'm having trouble finding anything in that link that supports your claims. Can you point out whatever parts you found interesting?

Also, by what freakish application of physics and mathematics do yo expect to find the center of mass for two objects to be closer to the less massive?

fuelair · 11th February 2007, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Terry

oh dear... the "neutral zone" is just a balance point. It's not like gravity stops there. Methinks a simple textbook on gravity would be a useful read for you, David.

DJ has no functional understanding of gravity or force, No real understanding of the golden section and related except a numerology related one and is clearly inept at religion and its' concepts. Like litelife and related he puts words together in seemingly related ways and quotes others in ways that show he does not understand what they are actually saying and shows no comprehension of his errors when they are handed to him on a platter. By my personal definition, he is wasting space with pointless statements on many threads - i.e. I consider him to be trolling - whether he believes his spewings or not, therefore, I keep putting out DFTT notes - and keep running into him or his leavings.

Texastwister · 11th February 2007, 02:35 PM

DJ,

You have a serious problem. You do not have a job, your a proclaimed missionary without a church, so therefore have devoted your life to your misbeliefs. When people show the fundamental errors in your beliefs you can not accept this, because it will invalidate what you have spent your entire life working towards.

Quit posting responses, it will only cause you to face the reality of your beliefs.....

But if you do post again, as least have the courtesy to check your spelling, reading anything you post gives me a headache

Bob Klase · 11th February 2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

I like the Lord because He is exact,

Originally Posted by jsfisher

I believe the quoted statement was about a particular point of speed and altitude during reentry, not orbit.

Well, as the exacting lord would say, "close enough".

Bob Klase · 11th February 2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later.

I've just discovered some other important numbers you should look in to. 16,000 is one tenth of 160,000. 430,000 is one tenth of 4,320,000. AND... 66.6 is ONE TENTH of 666. But the one that could change the world is... 2.580697580112788 is ONE TENTH of 25.80697580112788- which is the square root of 666!!

SirPhilip · 11th February 2007, 03:21 PM

I suspect you've all been had. Either that or he's a mental institution escapee. You do realize, so far, he's hit probably practically every single base of silly crap, and he's still generating serious, respectful responses. Do the right thing.

1) Vote for Lisa to be dunked for JMercer's poor judgement as a moderator.

2) Respond to his garbage with the same respect he does yours, like I have in another thread he started.

Or, you could just look even more foolish by taking this seriously.

SirPhilip · 11th February 2007, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bob Klase

I've just discovered some other important numbers you should look in to. 16,000 is one tenth of 160,000. 430,000 is one tenth of 4,320,000. AND... 66.6 is ONE TENTH of 666. But the one that could change the world is... 2.580697580112788 is ONE TENTH of 25.80697580112788- which is the square root of 666!!

Feh, if you think that's wild, I just drank a can of Diet Cherry Pepsi, and gained one pound!

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Jimbo07 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,419	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan I mean as said before they can only go out this far rather than to the Moon, but why 216,000 feet, The only time the space shuttle will be at 66 km is during launch and re-entry (the subject of the article). For normal operations at the ISS, the mean orbit is approximately 350 km, or according to the article: Quote: Orbiting 357 kilometers above Massachusetts in the United States, Robinson rode the station’s Canadarm 2 robot arm to two places where pieces of ceramic-coated gap filler fabric protruded from between Discovery’s heat-shield tiles. With gloved fingers, he gently tugged the protrusions until they came out. Quote: “This particular subject is not well understood because nobody else flies in these machines,” ... “Nobody else flies mach 22 [22 times the speed of sound] at 216,000 feet [65.8 kilometers],” he added, “ ... the only data we’ve got comes from the shuttle and that’s all there is in the world.” This is during re-entry when the proof of the gap filler would really have to be in the pudding. The reason for this particular statement is that Columbia started to break up around 40 miles... or 211,200 ft. There's either a profound lack of reading comprehension going on here, or I'm going to join with the chorus calling Troll...
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10th February 2007, 09:06 PM	#362
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,191	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Bruto, you guysd are such extremists. Liars don;t lie all the time, they would lose all cresibility, they wait til there is an advantage to their BOG LIE. How long have I been with you, and yet you don;t understand the simpliest of facts about human nature, and you want to believe every gullible lie for the goyum and yet reject truths that could help you. Surely your CONSPIRACY BOARD has some truths being talked about there. Surely. Otherwise try Whatreallyhappenned.com Its rather worldly in some of its interpretations, but at least some very revealing truths are there besides we have to discern everything, no truth is handed to you on a platter, you have to SEEK to find. That's why I was able to find the correct distance to the Moon when you wanted a more precise measurement and why. Amazing Amazing.... TYL You, sir, are unspeakably arrogant. But I do seek and discern, and that is why I find the warmed-over, half-digested contents of your platter so unappetizing. So how far from the earth is the moon, now?
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10th February 2007, 09:13 PM	#363
Paul Master Poster Join Date: May 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,973	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan So call me a liar if you like, If you insist. Quote: but that's hardly discussing a topic, Sorry, didn't realise you wanted to discuss anything. Quote: besides Beleth, how can New Jerusalem have a wall around it it it has straight sides and is a cube. Its sides and WALLs should be 12,000 furlongs according to your architecture. NO Beleth, it has a wall and then a phi pyramid within. Is it one of those infinite improbability walls? Quote: All space encapsulates cubes, not sphers or any other geometric shape, because with cubes there is no unfilled space. New jerusalem includes its wall, and its phi pyramid as that projercts to all the Universe as mentioned Do these other shapes not exist, or are they merely unencapsulated? Quote: And the capstone is Jesus. That must be a bit of a comedown; sun of god to architectural feature. Quote: calling someone a liar and a idolator is a rather severe accussation so if wrong, well you know. Is it bed without any supper? bolding mine again
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10th February 2007, 11:23 PM	#364
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Land of Eternal Hope Posts: 10,319	Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo. The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular.
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11th February 2007, 08:30 AM	#365
RecoveringYuppy Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,851	Originally Posted by wollery Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo. The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure. BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference?
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11th February 2007, 08:35 AM	#366
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan No Gord, from Toronto, it is me versus your lying about me. I'm telling you to stop, and suggesting you not lie, and fraudently misquote me, by writing in your own words in my QUOTE BOX This is against almost the rules of every discussionboard I have ever been on. Don't do it again, as I would rather contiue to believe that what honest posters put in QUOTES here are actually the quotes of the one that wrote it. You do a great dis-service in your fradulent quoting, as readers may doubt what is in GREY. So apologise and move on. Why do you think you are above the rules of common decency and respect and proper debate or discussion. you don't get points for FRAUD I have asked you for evidence evidence of me doing any of the above and you have not provided any. You have said I am lying and suggested that I have engaged in FRAUD. Will please either supply such evidence or apologize to me? I really don't care what your "beliefs" are but from the responses from others in this thread they don't seem be be gaining any credibity. I don't have any wish to shut you down as I find great amusement in what you have to say. As has been said many times on the sci.skeptic group on Newsnet about "reality challenged" posters -- "If we don't engage them here, they will be out bothering people in the real world".
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11th February 2007, 08:39 AM	#367
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge Posts: 14,408	Originally Posted by jsfisher I believe the quoted statement was about a particular point of speed and altitude during reentry, not orbit. I agree. But Djj indicates that he has misinterpreted this quote as being the operational altitude of the shuttle in orbit. But this is a perfect example of the way he thinks. Any time he finds a number that he likes he tries to attribute some significance to it. Of course, he doesn't even need to find his magic numbers because he can round up or down anything remotely near the magic value and say "it's close enough". But where is the significance of the shuttle orbiting at 1/5280th the distance to the Earth/moon Lagrange point? And as Wollery and I have pointed out, neither of these values is correct anyway. It seems that any two or more metrics are suitable for a magical ratio. You could have inches to kilograms, miles to hours, liters to degrees C etc. I get the sense that Djj would argue it was proof of God if he took a drive and stopped about 40.9 miles from his house to pee at a rest stop.
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11th February 2007, 08:49 AM	#368
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Land of Eternal Hope Posts: 10,319	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Doesn't the LaGrange point depend on orbital velocity also? I think what you've calculated is where the gravitational field would have zero accelaration if both bodies were standing still (which they wouldn't do for very long). I think the L1 point would be closer to Earth than your figure. BTW Has DJJ actually cited a NASA site yet or is it still a second or third hand reference? The maths is pretty complex, not least because you're dealing with an elliptical orbit, and if you're going to do it properly you also need to take into account the Sun's gravitational influence. Most sites I've looked at give values between 199,000 and 202,000 miles, depending on what values they take, what sort of orbit the assume, and which method of calculation they use. The above value is a back of the envolope calculation of the instantaneous value for the zero-g point at mean Moon distance. The main point is, it's a lot less than 216,000 miles.
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11th February 2007, 09:01 AM	#369
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun. Paul
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11th February 2007, 09:04 AM	#370
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Originally Posted by Paulhoff Oh, oh, you guys, (not DJJ of course), do know what makes the tides on the opposite side of the earth away from the moon and sun. Paul Yes. But until you accept the ancient secret mysteries of Phi, I can't tell you.
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11th February 2007, 09:07 AM	#371
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Land of Eternal Hope Posts: 10,319	Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon.
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11th February 2007, 09:13 AM	#372
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by wollery Differential gravity acting on the water that makes up the oceans. The pull on the nearside of the Earth draws the water away from the Earth, whilst the lower gravitational influence on the far side means the Earth (which has a centre of mass nearer to the Moon) is pulled towards the Moon more strongly, leaving the water trailing (and thus bulging). The Earth rotates within the tidal bulges, which is what leads to the rise and fall of the tide levels. The Sun has an equivalent, but smaller, effect, which leads to spring tides at full and new Moon, and neap tides at half Moon. Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out. Paul
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11th February 2007, 09:14 AM	#373
RecoveringYuppy Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,851	Tides can be confusing can't they? The Earth and it's oceans would be a sphere if there were no outside influence, agreed? Imagine then, putting the Moon where it is. The Earth is 8,000 miles across. That means the side of the Earth closer to the Moon is going to be "pulled on" harder than the part further away. So the side closest to the Moon is displaced towards the Moon. The center of the Earth is also displaced towards the Moon but a bit less. And the oceans on the far side from the Moon are pulled even less. This leads to stretching. So when looking at a drawing of tides it seems counter intuitive that the Moon would raise tides on opposite sides of the Earth. But it's more accurate to think that the Earth is being pulled out from under the ocean on one side of the Earth. ETA: I see I'm too slow today.
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11th February 2007, 09:15 AM	#374
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Land of Eternal Hope Posts: 10,319	Originally Posted by Paulhoff Also added to this is the motion of the earth and moon around a common center of gravity causing the water on the far side to be thrown out. Paul This effect does exist, but is minute compared to the gravitational pull of the Moon and Sun. ETA Sorry, just to clarify, the barycentre of the Earth Moon system is well within the Earth, and it's orbital period is ~28 days, so the centripetal acceleration is very small.
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11th February 2007, 10:09 AM	#375
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by wollery Umm, sorry David, but the NASA site made a typo. The Earth - Moon distance, as has already been pointed out by several posters, is 240,000 miles, and the L1 Lagrangian is 84% of that distance from the Earth to the Moon (the Moon having 16% of the Earth's gravity), which corresponds to 201,600 miles. Of course this distance varies a bit, as the Earth - Moon distance varies, due to the fact that the Moon's orbit is elliptical, not circular. Darn Wolley, now you are saying NASA made a typo... and using fluctuation variation as I did before, and yet I got condemned for saying such. Whatever, an amzingly FIND I saw was the fluctuation orbits of the earth and Moon as the Earth is cojoined to the MOON it seems. And I shant go further on that topic as it is part of the Sexual Mysteries, and the Earth is attracted to the SUN when the Moon is away from the earth. Wheres that graphic...... the perfect orbit of the Earth around the SUN does not exist as there is b*** center. You must know about it, as gravitational forces of the Earth and Moon with the Sun/Son make its pathway orbit a point outside their masses. Hmm maybe this is why there is that gravitational gap between the Earth and ther Moon exists. Just compare the masses of the Moon and earth, and then see if that ratio is the same ratio of 240,000 with 216,00 or vice versa with 26,000. Check it out and I will try to get that link for you, but I'm sure you must have studied it previously. The wobble pathway of the earth, YES, but the cojoined Earth Moon Masses together make a perfect circle... amazing, which means the future cojoining would be ........
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11th February 2007, 10:14 AM	#376
RecoveringYuppy Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,851	The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct. There are no perfect circles in evidence.
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11th February 2007, 10:16 AM	#377
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1) But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later. Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring.
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11th February 2007, 10:22 AM	#378
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy The problem DJJ is that when you cited numbers they were so wrong they were outside of "fluctuation and variance". In simpler language, your numbers were never correct. There are no perfect circles in evidence. Yuppy we must get to the perfect exact Platonic solids, that were hypothesised by Platon and yet just recently have all been found in real life, because real biology by DESIGN has to folow the laws of geometry and balance. Maybe I shall have to start a thread on these Platonic solids to show more geometric truths. And see above as I search again for that perfcet cicle via the bary center of the cojoined earth and Moon... and even give you a scripture that might be a little too graphic for the faint of heart concerning sowing in the Earth. I love perfection and exactness when we finnally find it, as the Lord is always exact and balanced and harmonic. Thats what true scientist do they look for patterns and exactness as laws of the Creator are exact once we find the exact equation and equations. for that is the point of http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...arofDavid.html Once I get it proof read HERE and elsewhere...
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11th February 2007, 10:24 AM	#379
Timble Muse Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Wisteria Avenue, Huntingdon Posts: 934	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1) But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later. You're making the mistake of taking rounded up (or down) mean values as exact values then wondering why you can't make the maths work. Also it's not significant that it's a tenth, if it'd been a third, a quarter, a twenty-third, you'd have claimed that it had some meaning.
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11th February 2007, 10:28 AM	#380
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Mass of Moon to earth is ... Mass: 0.012 (Earth=1) But 24,000/240,000 is 1 to 1o or .1 not .012, so there must be another reason... but it is interesting that 24,000 miles is one tenth of 240,000 miles. Maybe we can store that ionformation and it will be connected further later. Masses have to be considered, and cojoined masses even more so.... even if there is distance between them , I would think. But you are the expert Wolley, go for it. Connect up the dots and put them on line on a web site, It might be truly inspiring. Talk about an over active (mind?) looking for patterns anywhere and everywhere, I can see DJJ now walking around in the desert looking for patterns in the stones laying around and given them some hidden meaning to a big plan of a so-called god. He is one big sick puppy and needs way more help then we can ever give him, anyone have some de-worming medicine. Paul
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11th February 2007, 10:34 AM	#381
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Von Braun knew of 216,000 miles as well Wolley and ALL, Both NASA and Von Braun agree that the neutral point between the earth and the Moon is 216,000 SEE http://www.fixedearth.com/tides.htm And the bibliogrpahy afterwards.. So NASA didnt make a typo, Wolley And 216,000 miles from earth is the exact point in other words where the barycenter (might be speeled bery center, lost that hyperlink) must be located to make that exact center revolve around the Sun, or ********** this is hwy this berry center exactly 216,000 miles away from the Earth, revolves in an exact circle around the SUN...why because the Earth and Moon are cojoined and gravitationally must act as one at the bery center, hence allowing the MOON to revolve around the Earth while their berry center continues in a perfcet circle around the Sun at exactly 216,000 miles away from the earth. Whewee, don't you just love it when things and concepts CUM together like the Earth and the Moon. And to think calling down the Moon by the ancients was of course devoid, because of their source. But you will balk at that, so lets keep to science and the amazing 216,000 mile distance....
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11th February 2007, 10:44 AM	#382
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	Oh, here is a question for Davidjayjordan, (the seeker of patterns that are not there), are the astronauts that are in orbit in a gravity field or not. Paul
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11th February 2007, 10:49 AM	#383
Terry Zeitgeist-impaired Technical Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: logged in to the server Posts: 6,450	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Von Braun knew of 216,000 miles as well Wolley and ALL, Both NASA and Von Braun agree that the neutral point between the earth and the Moon is 216,000 SEE http://www.fixedearth.com/tides.htm And the bibliogrpahy afterwards.. So NASA didnt make a typo, Wolley And 216,000 miles from earth is the exact point in other words where the barycenter (might be speeled bery center, lost that hyperlink) must be located to make that exact center revolve around the Sun, or ********** this is hwy this berry center exactly 216,000 miles away from the Earth, revolves in an exact circle around the SUN...why because the Earth and Moon are cojoined and gravitationally must act as one at the bery center, hence allowing the MOON to revolve around the Earth while their berry center continues in a perfcet circle around the Sun at exactly 216,000 miles away from the earth. Whewee, don't you just love it when things and concepts CUM together like the Earth and the Moon. And to think calling down the Moon by the ancients was of course devoid, because of their source. But you will balk at that, so lets keep to science and the amazing 216,000 mile distance.... Sorry, but that is not correct. They barycenter of the earth/moon system is actually below the surface of the earth. And the orbit of the barycenter of the earth/moon system around the sun is not a perfect circle, but is eliptical, albeit with a low eccentricity.

11th February 2007, 10:58 AM	#384
cyborg deus ex machina Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,974	Djj, why is the mile so goddamn special? Why is decimal system so goddamn special? Do you understand the fundamental issue we have with taking arbitrary HUMAN measuring systems and claiming they have divine providence? Try reworking your numerology with something more basic, like Plank's constant and binary. (Binary form being the least complex system that is perfectly sufficient for the transmission of any information and hence I will reason as being divine for the purposes of this discussion.)
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11th February 2007, 11:02 AM	#385
Paulhoff You can't expect perfection. Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 12,570	01000100010010100100101000100000011101110110111101 11010101101100011001000110111000100111011101000010 00000110101101101110011011110111011100100000011000 10011010010110111001100001011100100111100100100000 01101001011001100010000001101001011101000010000001 10001001101001011101000010000001101000011010010110 11010010000001101001011011100010000001110100011010 00011001010010000001100001011100110111001100101110 Paul
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11th February 2007, 11:27 AM	#386
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	Originally Posted by Ladewig But if he really believes all this stuff, then is it fair to call him a troll? If you believe something, you should be able to explain the belief. You know, with words. Also, it should be easier to do this in a discussion because people will be asking you questions and getting you to clairify unclear statements.
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11th February 2007, 12:03 PM	#387
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,827	Originally Posted by strathmeyer If you believe something, you should be able to explain the belief. You know, with words. Also, it should be easier to do this in a discussion because people will be asking you questions and getting you to clairify unclear statements. Yes, one should be able to do that. It is clear that that clarification is not occurring. However, while the lack of clarification could be troll activity, it also could just be the result of difficulty processing language. In general, that difficulty might come from a person's educational background, organic problems (dyslexia or mild aphasia), or even certain types of mental illness (I stress "might"). I suppose willful ignorance is another possibility. As I said before, Djj has several web pages that match his posting style and those pages predate his appearance here. I am willing to ascribe some of the statements not related to numerology and angels to troll activity, but the core of his beliefs appear to me to be deeply-held opinions.
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11th February 2007, 12:08 PM	#388
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,827	Djj, I find the language you used in post #381 to be inappropriate for a science discussion. As a poster (not an administrator, not a moderator), I ask you to focus on the matter being discussed.
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11th February 2007, 12:27 PM	#389
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by Timble You're making the mistake of taking rounded up (or down) mean values as exact values then wondering why you can't make the maths work. Also it's not significant that it's a tenth, if it'd been a third, a quarter, a twenty-third, you'd have claimed that it had some meaning. Even though I am nicely tempted in viewing your cross, or its lovely placement in your pic, i do have to come back and remember other ratios like 1 to 10, or better yet 1 to 11, because HERE we are not allowed to post 1 on 1, if you know what I mean.
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11th February 2007, 12:32 PM	#390
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	Originally Posted by Ladewig Djj, I find the language you used in post #381 to be inappropriate for a science discussion. As a poster (not an administrator, not a moderator), I ask you to focus on the matter being discussed. My sincerist apologies was it a mention of sexual mysteries that concern phi or the placement of the planets or the union of earth and moon as HERE, and its union and correspondances with scripture. Darn, and now you will probably say I shouldn;t have mentioned the cross placement on trimble, its only a pic, Lade. But seeing my reporting of ovbvious violations and the lack of apologies when I have been called everything under the Sun have apparrently gone unnoticed, I think my apology is sufficvient here, SEE I checked myself in the above posting. It's inuendo, vause I just elude to s mysteries without offending real adults. But if Timble is offended I shall remove my post from above. Darn, why do you now ask for apologies after all that was done to me, wehn we are NOW making progress and finding out about 216. Your timing is uspect or is it because you dislike connections.. Whoops there's possibly another innuinendo, even if I misspell it.
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11th February 2007, 12:35 PM	#391
Davidjayjordan Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,431	For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined. And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son. http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm
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11th February 2007, 12:44 PM	#392
Terry Zeitgeist-impaired Technical Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: logged in to the server Posts: 6,450	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined. And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son. http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm That says that the earth's orbit is an elipse perturbed by the moon. Not a perfect circle. In fact, the word circle is only mentioned once in that page, refering to the earth's equator.

11th February 2007, 12:53 PM	#393
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,827	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan Darn, why do you now ask for apologies after all that was done to me, I didn't ask for an apology.
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11th February 2007, 01:20 PM	#394
jsfisher ETcorngods survivor Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 11,484	Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan For the sincere researchers among us, Heres that hyperlink I mentioned in a past POST about the exact circle of the Earth and Moon conjoined. And so sorry about the word conJOINED because that is in truth what it appears to be, the center of mass of two masses moving in an exact circle 216,000 miles from Earth, revolving around the Sun/Son. http://library.thinkquest.org/29033/...rthsunmoon.htm DJJ, I'm having trouble finding anything in that link that supports your claims. Can you point out whatever parts you found interesting? Also, by what freakish application of physics and mathematics do yo expect to find the center of mass for two objects to be closer to the less massive?
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11th February 2007, 02:10 PM	#395
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Terry oh dear... the "neutral zone" is just a balance point. It's not like gravity stops there. Methinks a simple textbook on gravity would be a useful read for you, David. DJ has no functional understanding of gravity or force, No real understanding of the golden section and related except a numerology related one and is clearly inept at religion and its' concepts. Like litelife and related he puts words together in seemingly related ways and quotes others in ways that show he does not understand what they are actually saying and shows no comprehension of his errors when they are handed to him on a platter. By my personal definition, he is wasting space with pointless statements on many threads - i.e. I consider him to be trolling - whether he believes his spewings or not, therefore, I keep putting out DFTT notes - and keep running into him or his leavings.
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961