Bush Firsts

[PerryLogan]

Signal Accomplishments of the Worst President Ever™

Bush is the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

first cokehead in the White House

first National Guard deserter

first convicted criminal

lost more jobs in his first year than any President in history

broke more international treaties than any in history

lowest job growth in American history

more debt than all previous President's combined (WHOA!!!)

first administration to out a CIA agent for partisan reasons

largest worldwide protests against the Iraq War

presided over the worst terror attack in world history

first President since the Civil War to lose an American city

spying on his people more than any administration since Stalin

first President to use a wire ("Dick? Dick!? I can't hear you!")

first President on antidepressants (& God know what else)
more vacation time than any other (which is a blessing for the country, really)

1st case of espionage in the White House

1st security breech of White House press room

Biggest intelligence failure in American history!

Worst response ever by a federal disaster agency

Highest incidents of suspected election fraud

Biggest deficit ever

1st fake and/or paid "journalists" in WH press corps...

1st institutional use of torture...

highest disparity of wealth in US history...

largest increase in poverty since the depression...

1st loss of entire major US city.

First President to lose jobs on a monthly basis in 60 years.

First President in ten years under whom median household income fell.

Seven of the worst bankruptcies in U.S. history under Bush.
Lowest consumer confidence in nine years.

First time in ten years incomes fell. U.S. Census Bureau

first President since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

has shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in history.

Bush's tenure set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Bush cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

Bush set the all-time record for any president presiding during the most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

Bush set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history. (here)

Bush appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (here)

Bush presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

Bush is the all-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years every single economic category headed straight down.

First adminstration not to allow caskets of fallen soldiers to be viewed by the general public

For the first time in history the Department of Justice has barred its employees from holding its annual gay-pride event, DOJ Pride.

Bush has spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

Bush presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Bush dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Bush is the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Bush refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abides by the Geneva Convention.

Bush set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.

Members of Bush's cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.

largest exodus of career experts in every branch of the administration due to crony/idealogue appointments, from CIA to DOJ to EPA to NWS...

In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.

First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over70%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

The biggest security failure in the history of the United States (In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks, he has successfully prevented any public investigation into)

The first President to spend over 20% of his time on vacation or at Camp David.

The first U.S. President to invade another country.

First President to have 40% approval ratings less than a year in to their second term.

For the first time in 40 years Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year.

He has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest him in public venues (15 million people according to New York Times), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

First President in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

The most secretive and un-accountable of any administration in U.S. history.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market frauds of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations that bid for government contracts.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the civil war.

For the first time in our history, a significant number of administration officials and supporters, including perhaps the President himself, must keep themselves and their party in power to avoid criminal indictment, conviction, and imprisonment.

Caused the infant mortality rate to go up for the first time in 40 years

Most corrupt adminstration ever.

Most hated President ever—even the low poll numbers we see are heavily rigged in his favor.

First President with blowjob skills (Dick? Dick!?")

...and this is just the stuff we know about!

[PogoPedant]

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1st loss of entire major US city.

Huh? You're not talking about New Orleans, right? 'Cause it still stands, you know...

[PerryLogan]

Originally Posted by PogoPedant

Huh? You're not talking about New Orleans, right? 'Cause it still stands, you know...

They've lost one city--so far. America may not even survive another year of such incompetence.

[Mephisto]

Although I agree (somewhat) with your sentiment - I won't post a concurrence, and I think you'll find out why fairly soon.

[PerryLogan]

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Although I agree (somewhat) with your sentiment - I won't post a concurrence, and I think you'll find out why fairly soon.

Why so cute? Is this a threat, pal?

[This Guy]

Lots of duplicates, or slightly reworded listings.

"first President since the Civil War to lose an American city
1st loss of entire major US city."

I've slept a bit since he entered office. Seems I missed the part where he lost a city.

Sure it wasn't just misplaced? Could it be under Texas?


Many of the listed items are true, I'm fairly sure. But it would be nice to have some references backing them up

[Beerina]

Originally Posted by PogoPedant

Huh? You're not talking about New Orleans, right? 'Cause it still stands, you know...

And is that the same as first President since the Civil War to lose an American city?

Nevermind that this disaster for New Orleans had been predicted for decades and no administration did anything. He just had the unlucky roll of the dice.

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Bush presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Bigger than the oil embargo of the '70s, when gas prices were higher, accounting for inflation?

Is there even a crisis? I never saw any lines or empty gas stations.

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Highest incidents of suspected election fraud

Highest? Higher than JFK or JLB or the Chigaco machine? Wow!

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Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

As opposed to JFK or FDR or the hopeful John Kerry, a double-dipping male golddigger? ("Hey, I can fall in love with a rich widow just as easily as a poor one!")

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All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

You said that already.

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Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

This, too.

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Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

Now you've said it three times. Politicians on both sides (well, their strategists, anyway) are treating it as an engineering issue. Discover how the masses thing, say what they want, and get elected. This in and of itself is nothing new, and has been going on since the Greeks. However, it is now scientifically managed. Here's a hint: think for yourself instead of following childlike and predictable thought processes that can be "managed" by the power hungry.

Regurgitating lame emails like this plays right into their hands.

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For the first time in our history, a significant number of administration officials and supporters, including perhaps the President himself, must keep themselves and their party in power to avoid criminal indictment, conviction, and imprisonment.

Well, I see we've got all kinds of indictments pending now that the Democrats are in power in Congress.

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Most corrupt adminstration ever.

Please define and compare and contrast vs. the Grant administration. Or Clinton, for that matter.

[PerryLogan]

Six years of screwing everything up, and the neocons still can't face the magnitude of their failure.

But then, who could? It boggles the mind completely. We will be 200 years cleaning up after these guys.

Republicans should be walking around with bags over their heads, whipping themselves, and begging the world for mercy. Instead, they're as haughty as ever, still defending their Caligula of a President.

Doomed members of a doomed party.

Let's face it, folks. If a Democratic President had screwed up as incredibly as Bush did with Katrina, you'd be chanting "They lost New Orleans!" till your tongues fell out. The same goes for every single item on this list.

P.S.: All those errors appeared the instant I posted the list. It's Bill Clinton's fault

[Overman]

Lots of dupes and they are slanted. If you are interested in serious discussion and debate about the issues this is a bad way to start off.

If you are not interested in that and just want to do some good ol' bush bashing....

I hate that @$^@#%&% more than I have ever, and will ever hate anyone in my life. I believe 50 or 60 years from now they will look at these 8 years as the turning point of america, and how it lost its grip on the world.

[PerryLogan]

Originally Posted by Overman

Lots of dupes and they are slanted. If you are interested in serious discussion and debate about the issues this is a bad way to start off.

Why bother debating people who voted twice for The Worst President Ever™?

The errors are Bill Clinton's fault, I tell you.

[Garrette]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Six years of screwing everything up, and the neocons still can't face the magnitude of their failure.

If you want to point out failures, it isn't hard.

It is apparently more difficult to stick to substantive complaints than it is to lapse into hyperbole. Exaggeration can be used effectively to illustrate a point; when it replaces the substance, however, the point is lost.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

But then, who could? It boggles the mind completely. We will be 200 years cleaning up after these guys.

Longer, if this is the manner in which you go about it.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Republicans should be walking around with bags over their heads, whipping themselves, and begging the world for mercy.

Of course. How could I be so blind?

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Instead, they're as haughty as ever, still defending their Caligula of a President.

That's me all over. Haughty haughty haughty. I'm a very haughty boy, maam, yes I am.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Doomed members of a doomed party.

Doomed? I'm doomed for being a Republican? What does that entail? Hellfire? Brimstone? Ostracism? Loss of job?

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Let's face it, folks. If a Democratic President had screwed up as incredibly as Bush did with Katrina, you'd be chanting "They lost New Orleans!" till your tongues fell out. The same goes for every single item on this list.

No.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

P.S.: All those errors appeared the instant I posted the list. It's Bill Clinton's fault

Most things are. At least according to Republicans such as I.

[This Guy]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Six years of screwing everything up, and the neocons still can't face the magnitude of their failure.

But then, who could? It boggles the mind completely. We will be 200 years cleaning up after these guys.

Republicans should be walking around with bags over their heads, whipping themselves, and begging the world for mercy. Instead, they're as haughty as ever, still defending their Caligula of a President.

Doomed members of a doomed party.

Let's face it, folks. If a Democratic President had screwed up as incredibly as Bush did with Katrina, you'd be chanting "They lost New Orleans!" till your tongues fell out. The same goes for every single item on this list.

P.S.: All those errors appeared the instant I posted the list. It's Bill Clinton's fault

Personally, I detest Bush.

I just prefer threads that have some factual backing to the statements made.

Like references.

And multiple listing of the same "fact" tends to detract from any valid claim being made. Makes the post look more like a biased rant than a factual statement.

If steam venting is your goal, perhaps you have achieved it.

If the goal is discussion, I think you got off on the wrong foot.

[Dr Adequate]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Republicans should be walking around with bags over their heads, whipping themselves, and begging the world for mercy.

And we should tie symbolic live bitey weasels to them, and have them ring bells like lepers and shout "Unclean! And covered in weasels!"

Stupid frickin' Eighth Amendment.

[PerryLogan]

Originally Posted by This Guy

If the goal is discussion, I think you got off on the wrong foot.

Odd you should say that, since it has led to plenty of discussion.

The neocons have to face reality before we can discuss anything with them. That was my goal.

Neocons do not deserve any debate or discussion. They're the ones who screwed up. Taking on airs is heinously inappropriate for people who have brought America nothing but disaster and mega-catastrophe.

Their egotism borders on insanity. They need to apologize a thousand times, preferably on their knees, for well-nigh destroying the Republic. Then we can debate with them.

[Garrette]

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

And we should tie symbolic live bitey weasels to them, and have them ring bells like lepers and shout "Unclean! And covered in weasels!"

I'd like that...

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Stupid frickin' Eighth Amendment.

Well, with Bush have so many firsts, it's only fair he lets the Dems have one. Hilary Obama can have this repealed. Or just ignore it. Maybe set up special courts to review warrant requests but then never use the courts.

That would work.

[Garrette]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Odd you should say that, since it has led to plenty of discussion.

The neocons have to face reality before we can discuss anything with them. That was my goal.

Neocons do not deserve any debate or discussion. They're the ones who screwed up. Taking on airs is heinously inappropriate for people who have brought America nothing but disaster and mega-catastrophe.

Their egotism borders on insanity. They need to apologize a thousand times, preferably on their knees, for well-nigh destroying the Republic. Then we can debate with them.

1. Do you think this applies to all neocons?

2. Do you differentiate between neocon and Republican?

3. Do you think the Republicans are monolithic?

[This Guy]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Odd you should say that, since it has led to plenty of discussion.

The neocons have to face reality before we can discuss anything with them. That was my goal.

Neocons do not deserve any debate or discussion. They're the ones who screwed up. Taking on airs is heinously inappropriate for people who have brought America nothing but disaster and mega-catastrophe.

Their egotism borders on insanity. They need to apologize a thousand times, preferably on their knees, for well-nigh destroying the Republic. Then we can debate with them.

Ahh!

OK

[PerryLogan]

Quick note for scholars: Since the right wing routinely repeats false memes about Democrats without a shred of proof, I figure I can do it, too. I would cite the hoary "Dems favor big government" and "Dems are big spenders" memes as proof.

This just in:

--first President to flip the American people the bird (same to you, Big Guy!)

[Luke T.]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

lowest job growth in American history

Okay, Perry. Let's try to apply some critical thinking skills. Try and figure out what is really, really DUMB about that statement. I know a deep-seated hatred of Bush makes it hard, but try to overcome that and see if you can figure it out.

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by This Guy

I've slept a bit since he entered office. Seems I missed the part where he lost a city.

Sure it wasn't just misplaced? Could it be under Texas?

A good bit of it is.

[This Guy]

Originally Posted by Tricky

A good bit of it is.

Good!

You found it!

Now, we can move on to other problems!

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Why so cute? Is this a threat, pal?

No way, dude.

I wouldn't threaten someone I agree with (at least partially), I just hope you're prepared for the oncoming onslaught from those who will inevitably pick apart a few things you've said.

(edited to add) nevermind . . . I see it's already started.

[President Bush]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Clinton's fault

I will ask Congress to introduce legislation renaming this. Following the next California quake blame can then be appropriately placed.

[Darth Rotor]

Perry, you are an embarassment to the loyal opposition. This post of yours is as useless as the crap over at the CT forum, the ones that CT's like 28th post. You have a lot of nerve to poke fun at CT's.

For shame, Perry.

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Signal Accomplishments of the Worst President Ever™

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first National Guard deserter

evidence? May I suggest you look up the UCMJ and check a few terms?

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more debt than all previous President's combined (WHOA!!!)

Yep.

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largest worldwide protests against the Iraq War

Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Are you old enough to remember the anti nuke protests in Europe during Reagan's era? They were significant, and sustained over years.

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presided over the worst terror attack in world history

Thanks for the CT moment, Perry, I thought you didn't like those loons.

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first President since the Civil War to lose an American city

To what? Which city?

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spying on his people more than any administration since Stalin

Stalin wasn't a US president, Perry. J Edgar Hoover for fifty, Alex.

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first President to use a wire ("Dick? Dick!? I can't hear you!")

How is this significant? What are you even talking about?

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first President on antidepressants (& God know what else)

Jack Kennedy heavily medicated for back pain.

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more vacation time than any other (which is a blessing for the country, really)

You have numbers on this? I have heard this elsewhere, and would like to see the data. It is of interest to me.

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1st case of espionage in the White House

You're kidding, right? Aaron Burr, anyone?

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1st security breech of White House press room

And this is more significant than Carter blowing security on Stealth during a press conference how? Stealth was TS at the time.

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Biggest intelligence failure in American history!

Bigger than being caught napping at Pearl Harbor?

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Worst response ever by a federal disaster agency

???? By whom, Louisiana, the Feds, or both?

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Highest incidents of suspected election fraud

Jim Wells county for fifty, Alex.

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Biggest deficit ever

Yep

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1st fake and/or paid "journalists" in WH press corps...

As far as you know.

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1st institutional use of torture...

Bull. Pre Miranda, it was not too uncommon among law enforcement. Thus, Miranda.

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highest disparity of wealth in US history...

BS. Go back to the late 19th century and the robber barons. Vanderbilt. Rockefeller. TR was an anti trust Progressive for a reason.

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largest increase in poverty since the depression...

What is poverty, Perry? Please define the term.

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1st loss of entire major US city.

Last I checked, we have not yet lost Detroit, though it is going to hell. What are you talking about?

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First President to lose jobs on a monthly basis in 60 years.

??? And none created? This is an interesting comment. Could you please provide that data?

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First President in ten years under whom median household income fell.

Constant or current dollars?

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Seven of the worst bankruptcies in U.S. history under Bush.

Current dollars, or constant dollars? Can you please name all seven? I am curious.

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Lowest consumer confidence in nine years.

That time span is significant why?

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First time in ten years incomes fell. U.S. Census Bureau

Redundancy sucks, Perry.

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first President since Herbert Hoover to preside over a net job loss.

Data?

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has shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in history.

Yep.

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Bush's tenure set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Trying to consider the cause and effect trail here.

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Bush cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.

By himself, or with Congressional concurrence?

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Bush set the all-time record for any president presiding during the most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.

That is significant how?

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Bush set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history. (here)

Yep. By the way, you are being tediously redundant.

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Bush appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history. (here)

Interesting.

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Bush presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.

And . . . that is significant how?

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Bush is the all-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Known, yep.

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Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years every single economic category headed straight down.

That's an error. Recessions and softening had already begun as tech bubble burst in Clinton's waning days. Everyone paying attention saw it coming as part of the cycle. Where the hell were you, Perry?

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First adminstration not to allow caskets of fallen soldiers to be viewed by the general public

That is important why?

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For the first time in history the Department of Justice has barred its employees from holding its annual gay-pride event, DOJ Pride.

That is significant . . . why?

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Bush has spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

Data? I'd like to see the charts, that's an interesting data point.

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Bush presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

1973 oil embargo. You are dead wrong.

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Bush dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Good.

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Bush is the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

Good. It's a farce in the first place. Look at who is on it.

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Bush refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abides by the Geneva Convention.

Perry, if you actually were a credible witness, this would be an interesting point. You need to do a little research into international visits to Gitmo before you try this again, I think.

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Bush set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of television.

Good.

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Members of Bush's cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.

That's an interesting tidbit, if true. Since you are foaming at the mouth, I'd like to see you present the comparison in constant dollars for every administration since Lincoln. Otherwise, you are just making noise.

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largest exodus of career experts in every branch of the administration due to crony/idealogue appointments, from CIA to DOJ to EPA to NWS...

Interesting bit, and as far as I know, true.

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In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

And?

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Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

What? Where were you on Black Monday, 1987?

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Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.

Yoiu are being tediously redundant again, Perry.

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First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.

I believe you.

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Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.

Perry, you suck at proofing your post for content. Redundant.

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Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.

Redundant.

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First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

That is an error. Johnson bombed North Viet Nam without UN approval, and against much international protest.

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First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over70%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

That says a bit about Europe, doesn't it, that they pine for the calmer days of Ronald Reagan in comparison?

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The biggest security failure in the history of the United States (In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks, he has successfully prevented any public investigation into)

Thanks for the CT move, Perry, I thought you didn't like those loons.

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The first President to spend over 20% of his time on vacation or at Camp David.

That is what Camp David is built for. Even President Carter, who was going to shut the place down, saw the light on that. Ignorance must be bliss, Perry.

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The first U.S. President to invade another country.

That is a gross error. Mexican war for fifty, Alex. War of 1812 for one hundred Alex.

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First President to have 40% approval ratings less than a year in to their second term.

??? This is significant how?

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For the first time in 40 years Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year.

Good.

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He has set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest him in public venues (15 million people according to New York Times), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

Cool, that means the useful idiots were unable to protest Mao, but their heirs protested Bush. What does that tell you about the useful idiots, Perry? Know thyself, pal, you'll be a better man for it.

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First President in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

That is significant how?

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Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in U.S. history. Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Redundant.

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Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

Good, and redundant.

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Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

An executive order can't amend the Constitution, Perry. Why don't you read the Constitution?

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Presided over the biggest energy crises in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

False. 1973 oil embargo.

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Presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have. Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Why are those two linked together?

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The most secretive and un-accountable of any administration in U.S. history.

As far as you know, which you obviously don't, seeing as how you don't bother to get your facts straight very often.

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Presided over the biggest corporate stock market frauds of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Risible hyperbole. Show me the numbers, or shut up.

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Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

No, FDR did that, but I agree with you on the DHS idiocy, it was IMO a stupid idea.

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Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in U.S. history.

Redundant, if true, which I think it is.

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First president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the human rights commission.

Redundant.

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Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history.

Facts please? Do you actually have any?

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First president in U.S. history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. elections).

How many times had UN lads been by before? Facts please, Perry.

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All-time U.S. (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

Redundant.

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Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history.

Redundant.

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Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in U.S. history. First president in U.S. history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

An error on part two, as noted above, and redundant.

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First president to run and hide when the U.S. came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).

What? Is this more CT stuff? He was reading a book about a goat.

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First U.S. president to establish a secret shadow government.

CT again, way to go Perry. For shame.

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First U.S. president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the U.S. than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Error. Truman, Perry, had to deal with the Korean War: that was a bit more of a threat.

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Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated U.S. law by not selling huge investments in corporations that bid for government contracts.

Interesting comment. Where is the data to support this? I have a hunch that this is right.

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In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the civil war.

??? Who was it who began the vitriol after 2000 election? Not W. It was your crowd.

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For the first time in our history, a significant number of administration officials and supporters, including perhaps the President himself, must keep themselves and their party in power to avoid criminal indictment, conviction, and imprisonment.

Care to expand on this? Warren G Harding for fifty, Alex.

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Caused the infant mortality rate to go up for the first time in 40 years

Show me the cause and effect, please.

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Most corrupt adminstration ever.

Metrics that show this, please.

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Most hated President ever—even the low poll numbers we see are heavily rigged in his favor.

What?

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First President with blowjob skills (Dick? Dick!?")

What?

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...and this is just the stuff we know about!

Looking at the number of unsupported assertions, and outright errors in your post, you don't know much at all, but you assume a great deal.

What is nice is that some of your points are correct, so you achieve an almost Sylvia Browne level of accuracy.

Way to go, Perry, you have just painted a "kick me, I am a raving CT in training" sign on your own backside.

At least Cassandra was right, and had nice tits. All you show us is a boob: wearing your shirt.

DR

[WildCat]

Oh look - another copy and paste post! Rule 4 violation anyone?

[steverino]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Perry, you are an embarassment to the loyal opposition. This post of yours is as useless as the crap over at the CT forum, the ones that CT's like 28th post. You have a lot of nerve to poke fun at CT's.

For shame, Perry.


evidence? May I suggest you look up the UCMJ and check a few terms?

Yep.
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Are you old enough to remember the anti nuke protests in Europe during Reagan's era? They were significant, and sustained over years.

Thanks for the CT moment, Perry, I thought you didn't like those loons.

To what? Which city?

Stalin wasn't a US president, Perry. J Edgar Hoover for fifty, Alex.

How is this significant? What are you even talking about?

Jack Kennedy heavily medicated for back pain.

You have numbers on this? I have heard this elsewhere, and would like to see the data. It is of interest to me.

You're kidding, right? Aaron Burr, anyone?

And this is more significant than Carter blowing security on Stealth during a press conference how? Stealth was TS at the time.

Bigger than being caught napping at Pearl Harbor?

???? By whom, Louisiana, the Feds, or both?

Jim Wells county for fifty, Alex.

Yep

As far as you know.

Bull. Pre Miranda, it was not too uncommon among law enforcement. Thus, Miranda.

BS. Go back to the late 19th century and the robber barons. Vanderbilt. Rockefeller. TR was an anti trust Progressive for a reason.

What is poverty, Perry? Please define the term.

Last I checked, we have not yet lost Detroit, though it is going to hell. What are you talking about?

??? And none created? This is an interesting comment. Could you please provide that data?

Constant or current dollars?

Current dollars, or constant dollars? Can you please name all seven? I am curious.

That time span is significant why?

Redundancy sucks, Perry.

Data?

Yep.

Trying to consider the cause and effect trail here.

By himself, or with Congressional concurrence?

That is significant how?

Yep. By the way, you are being tediously redundant.

Interesting.

And . . . that is significant how?

Known, yep.

That's an error. Recessions and softening had already begun as tech bubble burst in Clinton's waning days. Everyone paying attention saw it coming as part of the cycle. Where the hell were you, Perry?

That is important why?

That is significant . . . why?

Data? I'd like to see the charts, that's an interesting data point.

1973 oil embargo. You are dead wrong.

Good.

Good. It's a farce in the first place. Look at who is on it.

Perry, if you actually were a credible witness, this would be an interesting point. You need to do a little research into international visits to Gitmo before you try this again, I think.

Good.

That's an interesting tidbit, if true. Since you are foaming at the mouth, I'd like to see you present the comparison in constant dollars for every administration since Lincoln. Otherwise, you are just making noise.

Interesting bit, and as far as I know, true.

And?

What? Where were you on Black Monday, 1987?

Yoiu are being tediously redundant again, Perry.

I believe you.

Perry, you suck at proofing your post for content. Redundant.

Redundant.

That is an error. Johnson bombed North Viet Nam without UN approval, and against much international protest.

That says a bit about Europe, doesn't it, that they pine for the calmer days of Ronald Reagan in comparison?

Thanks for the CT move, Perry, I thought you didn't like those loons.

That is what Camp David is built for. Even President Carter, who was going to shut the place down, saw the light on that. Ignorance must be bliss, Perry.

That is a gross error. Mexican war for fifty, Alex. War of 1812 for one hundred Alex.

??? This is significant how?

Good.

Cool, that means the useful idiots were unable to protest Mao, but their heirs protested Bush. What does that tell you about the useful idiots, Perry? Know thyself, pal, you'll be a better man for it.

That is significant how?

Redundant.

Good, and redundant.

An executive order can't amend the Constitution, Perry. Why don't you read the Constitution?

False. 1973 oil embargo.

Why are those two linked together?

As far as you know, which you obviously don't, seeing as how you don't bother to get your facts straight very often.

Risible hyperbole. Show me the numbers, or shut up.

No, FDR did that, but I agree with you on the DHS idiocy, it was IMO a stupid idea.

Redundant, if true, which I think it is.

Redundant.

Facts please? Do you actually have any?

How many times had UN lads been by before? Facts please, Perry.

Redundant.

Redundant.

An error on part two, as noted above, and redundant.

What? Is this more CT stuff? He was reading a book about a goat.

CT again, way to go Perry. For shame.

Error. Truman, Perry, had to deal with the Korean War: that was a bit more of a threat.

Interesting comment. Where is the data to support this? I have a hunch that this is right.

??? Who was it who began the vitriol after 2000 election? Not W. It was your crowd.

Care to expand on this? Warren G Harding for fifty, Alex.

Show me the cause and effect, please.

Metrics that show this, please.

What?

What?

Looking at the number of unsupported assertions, and outright errors in your post, you don't know much at all, but you assume a great deal.

What is nice is that some of your points are correct, so you achieve an almost Sylvia Browne level of accuracy.

Way to go, Perry, you have just painted a "kick me, I am a raving CT in training" sign on your own backside.

At least Cassandra was right, and had nice tits. All you show us is a boob: wearing your shirt.

DR

NOMINATED! And WILDCAT is right. Looks like PERRY deserves the Joe Biden word borrowing award.

[PerryLogan]

You've gotta love guys who can stare abject, record-shattering failure in the face and still think they're cool.

In a matter of hours, I'll bet anyone could create another list as big as the first one.

Earth calling neocons. YOU FAILED. You totally screwed up. At this point, you are only making yourselves appear insane to an astonished world.

Talk about white-guy egotism!

--First President to start and lose two wars (three, if you count the war on terror)
--first "President" to steal two successive elections. (Bad for your karma!)

Coming soon: Bush failures, Bush lies, Bush war crimes, Bush mega-catastrophes. Various acts of treason.

[Garrette]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

You've gotta love guys who can stare abject, record-shattering failure in the face and still think they're cool.

In a matter of hours, I'll bet anyone could create another list as big as the first one.

Earth calling neocons. YOU FAILED. You totally screwed up. At this point, you are only making yourselves appear insane to an astonished world.

Talk about white-guy egotism!

--First President to start and lose two wars (three, if you count the war on terror)
--first "President" to steal two successive elections. (Bad for your karma!)

Coming soon: Bush failures, Bush lies, Bush war crimes, Bush mega-catastrophes.

Perry: I told you guys not to go bungee-jumping.

Others: We didn't go bungee-jumping. We got injured in a car crash. We'll even admit we were driving drunk, but there were no bungee jumps.

Perry: You guys are such egotistical twits. You look right at all those injuries and still deny you were bungee-jumping.

Others: You're an idiot.


Though to be fair, I should change that last "Others" to "Me."

[aggle-rithm]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

lost more jobs in his first year than any President in history

How many jobs did he have?

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

You've gotta love guys who can stare abject, record-shattering failure in the face and still think they're cool.

Who are you talking about, other than a collection of straw men?

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In a matter of hours, I'll bet anyone could create another list as big as the first one.

Probably, and one as laced with error and as badly edited for content. I can craft a post in less than 20 minutes with 9 policy decisions that Pres Bush has made that I find damaging to America. It won't have any errors in it.

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Earth calling neocons. YOU FAILED. You totally screwed up. At this point, you are only making yourselves appear insane to an astonished world.

Who are the neocons to whom this remark is addressed?

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Talk about white-guy egotism!

Nice racist swipe, Perry. For shame.

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--First President to start and lose two wars (three, if you count the war on terror)

Can you expand on this idea please? How is the War on Poverty going, and the War on Drugs?

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--first "President" to steal two successive elections. (Bad for your karma!)

5 million margin in the popular vote in 2004, and a winning margin the Electoral college. Check your facts, Perry, you are being careless. Also, read the Constitution.

When I come up to Austin in a few weeks, would you like to sit down with me and talk about how to make a point? You need the tutoring. I am a decent instructor. I offer this assistance to you. All you have to do is provide the bar, a couple of beers, and a few hours of your time. My time you get for free.

If you are going to be a member of the loyal opposition, don't discredit the movement by raving like an idiot. Packaging counts.

DR

[steverino]

"Presided over the worst terror attack" sounds like "Bush orchestrated America's worst terror attack." For all his faults, 9/11 is not one of them.

Also, I have noticed that ever since he presided over our land, and caused our economy to go into the toilet, as your list points out, illegal immigration from Mexico has screeched to a hault since no citizen of one of the other 190 or so countries want to live in our crappy nation any more...Oh, wait.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

Neocons do not deserve any debate or discussion. They're the ones who screwed up.

Are you under the impression that Bush is a neocon?

[Darth Rotor]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Are you under the impression that Bush is a neocon?

Are you under the impression that he is not?

He sure brought a bunch of them in as staffers and appointees, Zig. I think Dick Cheney has to accept that tag, given who he looks to for advice.

Wolfowitz, Perl, Kristol, Bolton, just off the top of my head, were in Bush's group. I am not sure where Rummy sits on this, though he was a PNAC contrubotor.

Bush also brought in some conservatives like Ashcroft who are hardly neocons. Powell? I don't see him as a neocon, but a moderate who ran into a buzzsaw.

DR

[hgc]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Are you under the impression that Bush is a neocon?

I'm under the impression that Bush is a rudderless twerp. It's Cheney's ideology that is at issue in terms of the US foreign policy of the last 6 years.

[steverino]

Originally Posted by hgc

I'm under the impression that Bush is a rudderless twerp.

Really? I always thought you Bush-haters hate Bush because his rudder is firm. He is inflexible, does not use diplomacy, and is hopelessly consistant. While you despise the direction he is trying to take us, the direction does not waver.

So, which is it?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by hgc

I'm under the impression that Bush is a rudderless twerp. It's Cheney's ideology that is at issue in terms of the US foreign policy of the last 6 years.

That's nice, but I didn't ask you, I asked Perry. Furthermore, most of the items on Perry's list of complaints aren't about foreign policy.

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by PerryLogan

presided over the worst terror attack in world history

This one is a particularly cheap shot. If Gore had won the election, 9/11 would have happened anyways.

And what about the '93 bombing of the WTC, the '98 Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings? The 2000 USS Cole bombing?

All under Clinton, and what did he do?

[hgc]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

That's nice, but I didn't ask you, I asked Perry. Furthermore, most of the items on Perry's list of complaints aren't about foreign policy.

It's funny how when you put something out on a public forum, it's impossible to control who's going to respond. But it's true the term neocon is overused and misused.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Pardalis

This one is a particularly cheap shot. If Gore had won the election, 9/11 would have happened anyways.

And what about the '93 bombing of the WTC, the '98 Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings? The 2000 USS Cole bombing?

All under Clinton, and what did he do?

Actually, Clinton did a good deal in regards to terrorist attacks and when he used military force to respond, the usual Republican chorus was "Wag the Dog! Wag the Dog!" or "Clinton is just trying to divert attention away from Monica Lewinsky".

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

Are you under the impression that he is not?

Nothing he's ever said has lead me to believe he is, and I've never seen a convincing argument (or hell, ANY real argument) outlining why he qualifies.

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He sure brought a bunch of them in as staffers and appointees, Zig.

He brought a whole lot of all sorts of conservatives in as staffers and appointees. The neocons were just one faction. They became the dominant force regarding Afghanistan and Iraq, but most of the complaints Perry listed aren't even about foreign policy.

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Wolfowitz, Perl, Kristol, Bolton, just off the top of my head, were in Bush's group. I am not sure where Rummy sits on this, though he was a PNAC contrubotor.

Bush also brought in some conservatives like Ashcroft who are hardly neocons. Powell? I don't see him as a neocon, but a moderate who ran into a buzzsaw.

The names that come up regarding Bush and neocons always center around the pentagon. But when I look at Bush's cabinet:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/cabinet.html
most of those names have little to do with the pentagon, and few of them ever come up in discussions regarding prominent neocons. What, for example, is "neocon" about Bush's transportation policies? Or his economic policies? PerryLogan's list of complaints are primarily domestic issues. Surely the treasury secretary has more to do with employment levels than the secretary of defense. So why are you focussed on a few administration people who (aside from Cheney) didn't even have a role in domestic issues?