Prophecy Timeline Challenge

[Taffer]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Only in your mind Terry, as there are no rules for HERE if you are among the congregation of the athiests or false skeptics. The moderators will protect you, and you will not be flagged for villifying and degrading any that come expecting a true discussion forum.

I would be shocked if there was a change, but have been HERE long enough to know, no degrading name calling is flagged when directed at true skeptics. False vile skeptics get away with almost everything. The proof is right HERE on line.

No, David. The same rules apply to you as to everyone else.

[mylfmyhnr]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

...if the Lord seals someone, they are our brethren and we better treat them right. (No racism no sexism, only love and equality)

but this is only after the tribulation... so you can feel free to be racist and sexist up till then? and only if they aren't "brethren", cause different=bad (ie, you are allowed to be racist, sexist, etc.)?

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

... without it we wouldn't last more than a few days in the wilderness.

we? you aren't goin up in the rapture?

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

...to compose his New Nation of Believers that is born in a day and becomes His BRIDE during the upcoming Great Tribulation.

ah, i see, you get to fight the good fight to win the war we know you'll win so you get to be part of the after party. gotcha.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan
...if the Lord seals someone, they are our brethren and we better treat them right. (No racism no sexism, only love and equality)

but this is only after the tribulation... so you can feel free to be racist and sexist up till then? and only if they aren't "brethren", cause different=bad (ie, you are allowed to be racist, sexist, etc.)? (((No you nor I are allowed to be sexist or racist, but false skeptics would NEVER be able to determine when a phrase much less a heart is being sexist and racist. false sketpics just can;t figure out ANYTHING)))


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan
... without it we wouldn't last more than a few days in the wilderness.

we? you aren't goin up in the rapture? (((THe rapture happens after the tribulation, we get the priviledge of going thru the tribulation of 1260 days, by being together and fighting for our lives and being a WITNESS to the End. We're not quitters like the false skeptics and not uninvolved like the false skeptics....))))


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan
...to compose his New Nation of Believers that is born in a day and becomes His BRIDE during the upcoming Great Tribulation.

ah, i see, you get to fight the good fight to win the war we know you'll win so you get to be part of the after party. gotcha.
(((Actually we just defend our Encampment against the onslaughts of the world...as on this discussion board.... while our two witnessess our prophets bring down plagues upon the world, as they are worthy.... and then before we get wiped out the Lord delivers most of us NOT all of us as many of us have died in the process of defending our encampment.)))

SEE http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...youfollow.html

Who will you follow in the Tribulation ?

In the End-time, who are you going to follow, because you are not going to go through such Tribulation alone and by yourself. Scripturally, the Lord shall gather us and lead us, via His Two Witnesses. This because the Lord's End-time movement will consolidate the 'Forsaken' and outcasts of the LORD into a nation born in a day ( the day the A.C. claims himself to be God ). So who are you going to follow?

Will you select a church pastor, a born again President, or an internet guru. The choice is yours, but rest assured, you will make a choice one way or the other. For even if you decide to fight the A.C. single-handedly, you will have to make choices and decisions, alone and only according to your own personal Faith.. For you and your family whether in a group or church surely won't survive more than a month or so, living and working, and witnessing within the A.C. dastardly world government. The A.C. will force you to decide. It's either take His MARK or die ? Straight forward and simple, and you better not take his MARK !!!

If you understand that the Lord will not forsake us and leave us without leadership in the End Time, then what kind of leadership will you follow ? It will have to be strong leadership, and that leadership will not be chosen by groupie group consensus according to a popularity poll or voted on by the masses, unless that is what you are used to. So if you like playing it safe when it will cost you your life, so be it ... that's probably how you have decided almost everything before that time anyway.

But my parameters for who I will be following will be extremely precise. I want to make sure who and what principles my eternal soul and eternal life are going for. For if two candidates or witnesses, don't have the Power of Revelation’s Two Witnesses, then I say forget them. If they are con artists like most pastors, leaders, politicians, rabbi's and imman's, then forget them. If they can't set the captives free literally, forget them. If they can't give sight to the blind, like Isaiah prophesied, of what value are they? No more milk and toast, word manglers for me, even if they smile from one ear to another, with pre-arranged questions and supposed answers.

And I for one, won't follow anyone that is a horrible physical example. But from scriptures, I am looking for a warrior King Arthur or a Xena dictated by ancient prophecies from the Dead Sea Scrolls to ancient myths to Biblical prophets. Because if they don't have it physically and can't lead us into battle like Gideon did, forget them. I want proof of their spiritually and proof of their physical strength in the real world or forget it.

If they don't have the literal ROD and Staff of the Lord, what good are they? If they don't find the GRAIL, how are they going to provide? If they don't recover the Ark and the Tabernacle as stated by Maccabies, how in Heaven's Name, can they call down the power of God for our protectlon? For How can the Lord’s Spirit protect us and surround us, unless He himself this time selects our leadership and we follow them ?

Our Zion, our Branches, our TWO End-time prophets have to have 'Literal Fire' coming out of their mouths in the End-time not just hot air. I want literal fulfillment not some promised dreamland or illusionary future empowerment. For I and my Family are not going into the wilderness, with any Tom, Dick or Harry, Jane or Jennifer, even if they call themselves 'enlightened' and 'witnesses'.

If we only have one life to live, we better all carefully consider our future the next time around, and choose more carefully as Indian Jones did. I personally wish we didn't have to group together, considering the oppression of the heartless on those that have a heart, when groups form. But this time, it has to be different. This is the last time, this is the Lord's time. We will absolutely have to be in a group to be protected as a group within the confines of the fold, in the 'Encampment of the Lord.' Besides then, because of the life or death entrance ordeal (or test) the wolves will no longer have access into the fold under the guise of sheep.

Only theLord's 144,000 will pass under the Shepherd's rod, and we won't be counting or taking stats. We won't be voting for leaders and I for one won't be following unless the leaders or prophets have more than just damnable talk. If they can't walk the walk into Jerusalem unafraid and blast the hell out of the A.C. and his cohorts, to hell with them. If they are afraid of germs, and guns, and their shadows, and their own nightmares, forget them. ...If they are afraid of being 'called devils' as Jesus was and said his followers would be called…... Forget them.

The last two prophets are going to openly decry the evils of America even before the Tribulation, to give us advanced warning of who they are. And their prophetic doom of America will happen, as Russia pulverizes them into dust that ascends upwards to heaven. The two prophets aren't going to be afraid, and probably will be imprisonned like the apostles were. So I'm not looking for any 'afraid of their own shadow or sun shine prophets or prophetesses', but the real thing straight from the Lord with real proof of their ministry and literal POWER.

The ENDTIME will be much more cataclysmic and exciting and horrifying and righteously just than any other time in the Lord's recorded History, rather than the slow death of procrastination and the agony of inaction and unbelief. We will have to choose wisely and with absolute FAITH.

So if our two prophets aren't eventually able to call down FIRE upon our enemies from heaven, then we have sided with the wrong leaders, and that will be our own fault. If our leaders aren't literally stronger than the A.C. and the false prophet, then forget them, because our God and His prophets, His Branches, His Zion is stronger than the forces of evil. They are no match for us.

This time around, the last time around, I want to choose the right shepherds and the right sheepfold. According to my choice according to scriptures. Who will you follow ?

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan
Only in your mind Terry, as there are no rules for HERE if you are among the congregation of the athiests or false skeptics. The moderators will protect you, and you will not be flagged for villifying and degrading any that come expecting a true discussion forum.

I would be shocked if there was a change, but have been HERE long enough to know, no degrading name calling is flagged when directed at true skeptics. False vile skeptics get away with almost everything. The proof is right HERE on line.

No, David. The same rules apply to you as to everyone else.

Taffer ,,,,, you definitely are one of the rule breakers, Taffer, but tend to get away with your name calling and foolishness, and yet now, say the rules are the same for all. Yea right.

I tell a self confirmed CT, that he is compromising and he complains about me putting in print what he just admitted, as he is afraid to post CT in an ANTI-conspiracy forum....and I get flagged for doing so.

Anyway back to prophecy, as I will be leaving shortly and have some dates for you all to consider, so you look to Jesus and prophecy when FIRST the Iran War breaks out, then WHEN the COVENANT IS SIGNED.

[mylfmyhnr]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

No you nor I are allowed to be sexist or racist, but false skeptics would NEVER be able to determine when a phrase much less a heart is being sexist and racist. false sketpics just can;t figure out ANYTHING

what? are you serious?? so i'm a false skeptic (a phrase that is just strange...) and i can't figure out what a sexist or racist comment is. i don't worship so i can't figure out ANYTHING... i see. thanks for being non-judgemental! oh, wait, i'm not a bretheren so i don't get to be treated nicely. right, forgot that part.

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

THe rapture happens after the tribulation, we get the priviledge of going thru the tribulation of 1260 days, by being together and fighting for our lives and being a WITNESS to the End. We're not quitters like the false skeptics and not uninvolved like the false skeptics....

so all those biblical scholars and preachers that have talked aout the rapture, sold millions of books, telling of the rapture before the tribulation, are totally wrong but you know the truth? or are they 'false believers' who don't know better... or are they 'false skeptics' pulling the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting?

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

...Because if they don't have it physically and can't lead us into battle like Gideon did, forget them. I want proof of their spiritually and proof of their physical strength in the real world or forget it.

...Our Zion, our Branches, our TWO End-time prophets have to have 'Literal Fire' coming out of their mouths in the End-time not just hot air.

ah, a strong man, fire-breather... COOL! though i'm not sure when the circus is coming to town. i'll look it up and let you know.

[Davidjayjordan]

So think now, thinkers, do the evil spirits which you don't believe exist know something you don't know (and are they telling their people when their time to rule will be coming. Come on think, what is the time of their upcoming riogn which the New Agers and people of all religions will reckonise as their DATE of the NEW Beginning, and CHANGE.

Come on think, research, it shouldn;t take you more than a few minutes to find out, whereas some of you it might take a few years as you aren;t used to studying or thinking.

But go for it, take two minutes out of your writing time and figure out the DATE of the CHANGE...

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/...s/viewpost.gif
Only in your mind Terry, as there are no rules for HERE if you are among the congregation of the athiests or false skeptics. The moderators will protect you, and you will not be flagged for villifying and degrading any that come expecting a true discussion forum.

I would be shocked if there was a change, but have been HERE long enough to know, no degrading name calling is flagged when directed at true skeptics. False vile skeptics get away with almost everything. The proof is right HERE on line.

No, David. The same rules apply to you as to everyone else.

Taffer ,,,,, you definitely are one of the rule breakers, Taffer, but tend to get away with your name calling and foolishness, and yet now, say the rules are the same for all. Yea right.

There just ain't no justice, is there? Get God to curse us all. Or have you already done that?

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I tell a self confirmed CT, that he is compromising and he complains about me putting in print what he just admitted, as he is afraid to post CT in an ANTI-conspiracy forum....and I get flagged for doing so.

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Anyway back to prophecy, as I will be leaving shortly and have some dates for you all to consider, so you look to Jesus and prophecy when FIRST the Iran War breaks out, then WHEN the COVENANT IS SIGNED.

Oh goody I love dates. Do you have some figs as well? Sorry I'll wait to the CONVENANT is SEALED.

Are you off to sci.skeptic on Usenet? I can't wait for the reaction there.

Bye, Bye.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by mylfmyhnr

what? are you serious?? so i'm a false skeptic (a phrase that is just strange...) and i can't figure out what a sexist or racist comment is. i don't worship so i can't figure out ANYTHING... i see. thanks for being non-judgemental! oh, wait, i'm not a bretheren so i don't get to be treated nicely. right, forgot that part. (((I said false skeptics can;t discern, if you discern yourself as a false skeptic then you label yourself)))

so all those biblical scholars and preachers that have talked aout the rapture, sold millions of books, telling of the rapture before the tribulation, are totally wrong but you know the truth? (((Jesus does and has stated this simple truth...and besides the majority are always wrong, only the minority could be right according to Jesus, and then only if aligned to Him, as He is the truth))))

or are they 'false believers' who don't know better... or are they 'false skeptics' pulling the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting? (((Just lasy Christians that aren;t prepared in most cases))))


ah, a strong man, fire-breather... COOL! though i'm not sure when the circus is coming to town. i'll look it up and let you know.

(((Actually in truth and prophecy the Lord's two prophets do have fire coming out of their mouths to burn up those that would hurt them...

Fire-breathing prophets

Because Esra the High priest, was totally inspired by the Lord allow me to repost his exact prophetic words frpm which co-relate exactly with Revelations and Daniel and all the other prophets. It doesn't take-away from anything in the Bible, but does give confirmation and more information. My comments are in .....(...)

2 Esdras, Chapter 13

1: After seven days I dreamed a dream in the night; 2: and behold, a wind arose from the sea and stirred up all its waves. 3: And I looked, and behold, this wind made something like the figure of a man come up out of the heart of the sea. And I looked, and behold, that man flew with the clouds of heaven; and wherever he turned his face to look, everything under his gaze trembled, (Ezra is talking about one of our two witnesses in the End-Time most likely our King David)

4: and whenever his voice issued from his mouth, all who heard his voice melted as wax melts when it feels the fire. (Yes, for just as in Revelations 11, it says that if any try to hurt them a fire goes literally out of their mouth and destroys their enemies. Therefore no one can stop them from entering Jerusalem and calling down the trumpets of destruction upon the earth. For they are unafraid and the Lord's word is as a FIRE as is a FIRE when spoken from their hearts.)

5: After this I looked, and behold, an innumerable multitude of men were gathered together from the four winds of heaven to make war against the man who came up out of the sea. (And the Anti-Christ forces try to stop our King David and His Priest...our two witnesses)

6: And I looked, and behold, he carved out for himself a great mountain, (This sounds like a reference to the Rock city of Petra that we flee to...) and flew up upon it. (Remember in Revelation 12:6 where it says the woman flew into the wilderness.....did Esra read John or John read Esra...unlikely they just used the same word in the spirit because it was written by the Spirit)

7: And I tried to see the region or place from which the mountain was carved, but I could not. 8: After this I looked, and behold, all who had gathered together against him, to wage war (For we are at WAR with the Anti-Christ...a real war and not just some wishy washy spiritual struggle) with him were much afraid, yet dared to fight. 9: And behold, when he saw the onrush of the approaching multitude, he neither lifted his hand nor held a spear or any weapon of war;10: but I saw only how he sent forth from his mouth as it were a stream of fire, and from his lips a flaming breath, and from his tongue he shot forth a storm of sparks. (This is literal and not theoretical...but real)

11: All these were mingled together, the stream of fire and the flaming breath and the great storm and fell on the onrushing multitude which was prepared to fight, and burned them all up, so that suddenly nothing was seen of the innumerable multitude but only the dust of ashes and the smell of smoke. When I saw it, I was amazed. 12: After this I saw the same man come down from the mountain and call to him another multitude which was peaceable. (A different multitude...our anointed leader and King calls together the outcasts from all over the world. See Last Gathering)

13: Then many people came to him, some of whom were joyful and some sorrowful; some of them were bound, (See Set the prisoners free posts) and some were bringing others as offerings. Then in great fear I awoke; and I besought the Most High, and said,

14: "From the beginning thou hast shown thy servant these wonders, and hast deemed me worthy to have my prayer heard by thee;

15: now show me also the interpretation of this dream. 16: For as I consider it in my mind, alas for those who will be left in those days! And still more, alas for those who are not left! 17: For those who are not left will be sad, 18: because they understand what is reserved for the last days, but cannot attain it. 19: But alas for those also who are left, and for that very reason! For they shall see great dangers and much distress, as these dreams show. 20: Yet it is better to come into these things, though incurring peril, than to pass from the world like a cloud, and not to see what shall happen in the LAST DAYS He answered me and said, 21: "I will tell you the interpretation of the vision, and I will also explain to you the things which you have mentioned. 22: As for what you said about those who are left, this is the interpretation:

23: He who brings the peril at that time will himself protect those who fall into peril, who have works and have faith in the Almighty. (Our King brings the Lord's peril to the ungodly and yet protects those who fall into the peril of the ungodly) 24: Understand therefore that those who are left are more blessed than those who have died. (Greatest blessing of all time is living in the Last days, because all the prophets and prophetesses of all time wanted to see the judgments of God upon the wicked and the consumation of all things)

25: This is the interpretation of the vision: As for your seeing a man come up from the heart of the sea,

26: this is he whom the Most High has been keeping for many ages, who will himself deliver his creation; and he will direct those who are left. (Our end-time King David with His priest)

27: And as for your seeing wind and fire and a storm coming out of his mouth, 28: and as for his not holding a spear or weapon of war, (See Our weapons are not carnal Post) yet destroying the onrushing multitude which came to conquer him, this is the interpretation:

29: Behold, the days are coming when the Most High will deliver those who are on the earth. 30: And bewilderment of mind shall come over those who dwell on the earth. (Because they didn't study the Lord's words nor know the LORD)

31: And they shall plan to make war against one another, city against city, place against place, people against people, and kingdom against kingdom. (See Mathew 24)

32: And when these things come to pass and the signs occur which I showed you before, then my Son will be revealed, whom you saw as a man coming up from the sea. (Jesus comes after the Tribulation after we have been gathered)

33: And when all the nations hear his voice, every man shall leave his own land and the warfare that they have against one another;

34: and an innumerable multitude shall be gathered together, as you saw, desiring to come and conquer him.
35: But he shall stand on the top of Mount Zion. (Sounds like the Battle of Armageddon and the Lord returning to the Mount of Olives and splitting it in two)

36: And Zion will come and be made manifest to all people, prepared and built, as you saw the mountain carved out without hands. (We are Zion , a temple made without hands, made by the Lord fittly joined together)


CONTINUE TO PART TWO FIRE BREATHING PROPHETS

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

There just ain't no justice, is there? Get God to curse us all. Or have you already done that?
((People curse themselves by their actions, I thought we went over that, and it is ALL determined by our choices...as the Lord is fair, and everyone gets what they deserve. Amen ? Gord)))



Oh goody I love dates. Do you have some figs as well? Sorry I'll wait to the CONVENANT is SEALED. (((NO you come up with the DATE and then I will expand upon it. THINK GORD, think. I know it will be a new experience for ya, but you can do it.)))

Are you off to sci.skeptic on Usenet? I can't wait for the reaction there. (((Just looking for a few good men and women..and you never know where you might find them. I have meet about three good correspondants HERE, that's suffficient to have made my time HERE worthwhile. I am pondering whether or not to blow the cover off... JREF, but it might not be worth while.....)))

Bye, Bye.

24/7 as the Lord's spirit speaks to people..... even if all don't listen.

[mylfmyhnr]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

(((...and besides the majority are always wrong, only the minority could be right according to Jesus, and then only if aligned to Him, as He is the truth)))

so if only the minority are right, why are you here quoting your dogma at us? if you are attempting to turn someone to your way (oh, excuse me, gods way), aren't you risking convincing too many, becoming a majority? if you aren't trying to convince anyone, why be here at all? just here for the fight? i really don't understand. is it that you think you'll just convince a few? i don't get it.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan;2413895
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26: this is he whom the Most High has been keeping for many ages, who will himself deliver his creation; and he will direct those who are left. ([/b]Our end-time King David with His priest)

OK, just trying to bring myself up to date. According to your timeline, the Great Tribulation will begin around the winter solstice, 2012. Before that, there will be a war with Iran that will culminate in a peace treaty with 10 nations that will reveal the Antichrist. Israel will rebuild the temple and animal sacrifices will renew.

Does anyone know the estimated length of time it will take to rebuild the temple, should that ever occur? They have drawn up plans. Does anyone know what timetable the plans call for? Wouldn't there be a need to clear some land first on the temple mount? Are there any building codes in Israel that would have to be applied to this new building? It seems like this war with Iran and construction on the temple might need to begin very, very soon, because if the Trib begins in 2012, then the Covenant will have to have been signed around March of 2009. That's 2 years from now.

And if this King David of the Endtimes, this John Connor battling Skynet, does take charge and produces the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, it looks like he better get busy NOW! And how will one get all of these people over to the Rock City of Petra? And in short order there are going to be 2 prophets, this King David being one, who have the power of mythical dragons to blow fire out of their mouths and consume their enemies, and at some point the Sun will become "black as sackcloth of hair" and the Moon will become as "blood" (Rev. Chapter 7)........

Come on now, man - get a grip. Do you not see how far out this is? You really believe that this is how it will all go down, that in all of history there has never been anything as fantastic as this scenario you wish us to believe, outside of fairy tales, and that it is all going to happen soon?

Then King David must already exist somewhere. Where is he, David? Whom do you think he is, David? Why hasn't the world already heard of him, David, because why would anyone follow him as a leader, David, if he's not established himself somewhere to be seen or known? Where is his website, David? Surely he wouldn't be a false skeptic and not have a website somewhere to show that he stands up for what he believes?

Right, David?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
There just ain't no justice, is there? Get God to curse us all. Or have you already done that?
((People curse themselves by their actions, I thought we went over that, and it is ALL determined by our choices...as the Lord is fair, and everyone gets what they deserve. Amen ? Gord)))



Oh goody I love dates. Do you have some figs as well? Sorry I'll wait to the CONVENANT is SEALED. (((NO you come up with the DATE and then I will expand upon it. THINK GORD, think. I know it will be a new experience for ya, but you can do it.)))

Are you off to sci.skeptic on Usenet? I can't wait for the reaction there. (((Just looking for a few good men and women..and you never know where you might find them. I have meet about three good correspondants HERE, that's suffficient to have made my time HERE worthwhile. I am pondering whether or not to blow the cover off... JREF, but it might not be worth while.....)))

Bye, Bye.
Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
There just ain't no justice, is there? Get God to curse us all. Or have you already done that?
((People curse themselves by their actions, I thought we went over that, and it is ALL determined by our choices...as the Lord is fair, and everyone gets what they deserve. Amen ? Gord)))

Oh goody I love dates. Do you have some figs as well? Sorry I'll wait to the CONVENANT is SEALED. (((NO you come up with the DATE and then I will expand upon it. THINK GORD, think. I know it will be a new experience for ya, but you can do it.)))

Are you off to sci.skeptic on Usenet? I can't wait for the reaction there. (((Just looking for a few good men and women..and you never know where you might find them. I have meet about three good correspondants HERE, that's suffficient to have made my time HERE worthwhile. I am pondering whether or not to blow the cover off... JREF, but it might not be worth while.....)))

Bye, Bye.

I didn't say most of the above that appears as though it is a quote from me. Was there some UNTHINKING person here that was whining about this earlier?

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24/7 as the Lord's spirit speaks to people..... even if all don't listen.

The LORD must have had a bad cold for the last 3,000 years because nobody can hear a word he says.

Go ahead stop pondering "whether or not to blow the cover off... JREF".

For the love of the IPU (bless her name -- Remember She is invisible by definition and pink by faith), show you are a man not a cringing mousie, go ahead and do it!!

[Taffer]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Taffer ,,,,, you definitely are one of the rule breakers, Taffer, but tend to get away with your name calling and foolishness, and yet now, say the rules are the same for all. Yea right.

Please show where I have "gotten away with name calling and foolishness". Otherwise you are lying.

I state again, the rules apply to everyone equally. You are diluded if you think otherwise.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Björn Toulouse

OK, just trying to bring myself up to date. According to your timeline, the Great Tribulation will begin around the winter solstice, 2012. Before that, there will be a war with Iran that will culminate in a peace treaty with 10 nations that will reveal the Antichrist. Israel will rebuild the temple and animal sacrifices will renew. (((Excellent summation !!!! I am imporessed by your comprehension, now that you have applied yourself...)))

Does anyone know the estimated length of time it will take to rebuild the temple, should that ever occur? (((Yes, that appears to be 220 days or 250 days after the signing of the Covenant, there could be a slight difference because of when the one month difference takes place.... But it matters not, as we shall be able to watch its construction unfold.... The Jewish priest has the materials, and its 70 priests gathered, its red heifer, and all that is needed is the peace and security to build on the Temple Mount via an agreement or COVENANT))))

They have drawn up plans. (((Yes, the basic temple is just 10 cubits by 30 cubits internally.... as with the tabernacle and 1st temple...)))) Does anyone know what timetable the plans call for? ((( Try temple mount.com for a hyperlink..)))) Wouldn't there be a need to clear some land first on the temple mount? ((( Not much is needed and templemount.com goes into the placement of the third temple...But do be wary of Lamberts material, it is rather bias))) Are there any building codes in Israel that would have to be applied to this new building? (((Its the building that makes them a nation according to their law, right now they have no nation in the eyes of their priesthood until they have a temple. The laws of the land and mere building codes mean nothing, they need a COVENANT to build on the Temple Mount)))) It seems like this war with Iran and construction on the temple might need to begin very, very soon, because if the Trib begins in 2012, (((NO the Temple can be built as mentioned within months, five or six months, or at least the sacrificing before the Temple has to start five or six months after the signing of the Covenant...

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ltimeline.html
Look at the bottom line on the daniel Timeline and follow the reference given in Daniel..)))

Then the Covenant will have to have been signed around March of 2009. That's 2 years from now. (((No six months before December 21, 2012 brings the possible starting time to June of 2009 and not March... but you were close. But whatever the start of the Last SEVEN Years starts only when there is a making of the COVENANT.. http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...earsDates.html )))

And if this King David of the Endtimes, this John Connor battling Skynet, does take charge and produces the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant, it looks like he better get busy NOW! (((Yup))) And how will one get all of these people over to the Rock City of Petra? (((Walk and battle his way there.. as Bjorn you have done your research.. good for you !! http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ngtoPetra.html As we have some things to do on the way there, back on the Kings Highway)))) And in short order there are going to be 2 prophets, this King David being one, who have the power of mythical dragons to blow fire out of their mouths and consume their enemies, (((Again, very good comprehension Bjorn....))) and at some point the Sun will become "black as sackcloth of hair" and the Moon will become as "blood" (Rev. Chapter 7)........ (((Tis true)))

Come on now, man - get a grip. (((Awe Bjorn,m you were doing so well... and now have stumbled)))) Do you not see how far out this is? You really believe that this is how it will all go down, that in all of history there has never been anything as fantastic as this scenario you wish us to believe, outside of fairy tales, and that it is all going to happen soon? (((Not so, the first exodus was an exact parallel of our exodus and yet of course the LAST EXODUS will be greater, as it is the End Time in which all the people of the Lord wanted to live. The greatest true story ever told has to have a climatic ending and consummation, as that is only fitting. http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/2ndExodus1.html.

But Bjorn, don't worry about it you don;t have to believe it right now, but when the Iranian war breaks out, and a near WW3 almost engulfs the world, and the leaders get together and sign a PEACE COVENANT, then you will rethink your lack of FAITH, and may be compelled to take a more honest look at prophecy. This especially when the 3rd temple gets built in 220 or 250 days, or the sacrificing outside the Temple starts...The Lord doesn;t expect you to believe all this right now, but will give people chances along the way from what they have been told from His PROPHECY. Choice, choice, choice.... til the Great tribulation in 2012 and then the die has been cast and the decisions already made and final..))))

Then King David must already exist somewhere. Where is he, David? Whom do you think he is, David? (((Here's his characteristics from what have gathered... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...Witnesses.html

Why hasn't the world already heard of him, David, because why would anyone follow him as a leader, (((The AC isn;t revealed until after the Covenant and so similarly our two prophets don't appear to the world before that time, as they will be gathering the Lord's sheep until the Great tribulation, and then afterwards leading the Lord's people in the wilderness from Petra.. http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...gathering.html )))

David, if he's not established himself somewhere to be seen or known? Where is his website, David? Surely he wouldn't be a false skeptic and not have a website somewhere to show that he stands up for what he believes?

Right, David?

(((Exactly... good point )))

But who will you follow..... see later post.... or who will you align youself too...

[Davidjayjordan]

Notice researchers, how Bjorn through a little study and comprehension was able to ask good questions, logical reasonable, excellent queries.

For do remember this is a PROPHECY THREAD, and Bjorn as a true skeptic asked questions that surely we can search and find answers for...

For there is nothing hid, that shall not be revealed.... in His Time

[Kopji]

Forward Looking Statements

This prophecy contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Expectations, intentions, and plans contained in these posts are not historical fact. Our expectations regarding future events depend in part upon our ability to successfully develop believers that we do not produce or attract today and that meet defined specifications. When used in this context, the words "plan", "expect", "believe", and similar expressions generally identify forward-looking statements. These statements reflect our current expectations. They are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, changes in theology, newer revelations, or the T-shirt market. In light of the many risks and uncertainties surrounding the religious market, you should understand that we cannot assure you that the forward-looking statements contained in this thread will be realized.

[Zep]

DJJ still polling for Google hits on his website. His posts contain rubbish and are not worthy of contemplation let alone response - it's his sig that is the point of his posting...

[Kopji]

Yeah, the lighthome.homeless.lightbulb guy is the same way. It used to bug me, but they've probably been kicked out of most other sites. Why else would they hang out here?

I like the tolerant jref policies even though it means enduring some of this.

And there's not much to be afraid of. The more people read, the more the horrorshow part of prophecy begins to appear. I do hope he keeps the links to his wife's site up.

[Taffer]

Care to address my question, David? Or would you like to admit that you were lying?

[slingblade]

Troy, is that you?

[Klaymore]

Hey, maybe I'm coming to this a little late, but could we just get a nice, simple, typed list of Davidjayjordan's predictions (or whoever is supposed to be making the predictions; it looks like DJJ but I ain't reading all 5000000 posts to make sure).

Anyway, ANYONE who wants to prove they can tell the future can do it via a simple, straightforward process which I, in my infinite brilliance, have invented (patent pending):

1) Predict the future;
2) Write (or if you have poor handwriting, type) down what you have forseen on an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper;
3) Now, go back and read what you wrote. Erase all of the vague bullcrap, and write down, as accurately as your predictions allow, NAMES, DATES, PLACES, and SPECIFIC events ("A man of great cruelty who loves music will come to power in a far-away land" does not count);
4) Fold up the sheet of paper, put it in an envelope, and mail it to yourself by certified mail;
5) (And this is really, really important) Don't open the envelope after the postman delivers it;
6) AFTER your prophecy comes true, Call whoever you want to convince of your prophetic talents, and have them open the envelope in front of reporters, skeptics, and believers alike;
7) Repeat as applicable.

Or, just predict the winning lottery number every single day for a couple of years, and use the money to buy your own country (or better yet, island), and spread whatever word you deem most helpful to mankind!

[Klaymore]

Don't get me wrong here, DJJ, if you give me a nice, easy-to-read, fact-loaded list of not-yet-happened events, and start getting some hits, I'll be the first one to buy whatever you sell on your website, and help you get that island!

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by Klaymore

Hey, maybe I'm coming to this a little late, but could we just get a nice, simple, typed list of Davidjayjordan's predictions (or whoever is supposed to be making the predictions; it looks like DJJ but I ain't reading all 5000000 posts to make sure).

Anyway, ANYONE who wants to prove they can tell the future can do it via a simple, straightforward process which I, in my infinite brilliance, have invented (patent pending):

1) Predict the future;
2) Write (or if you have poor handwriting, type) down what you have forseen on an 8.5 x 11 sheet of paper;
3) Now, go back and read what you wrote. Erase all of the vague bullcrap, and write down, as accurately as your predictions allow, NAMES, DATES, PLACES, and SPECIFIC events ("A man of great cruelty who loves music will come to power in a far-away land" does not count);
4) Fold up the sheet of paper, put it in an envelope, and mail it to yourself by certified mail;
5) (And this is really, really important) Don't open the envelope after the postman delivers it;
6) AFTER your prophecy comes true, Call whoever you want to convince of your prophetic talents, and have them open the envelope in front of reporters, skeptics, and believers alike;
7) Repeat as applicable.

Or, just predict the winning lottery number every single day for a couple of years, and use the money to buy your own country (or better yet, island), and spread whatever word you deem most helpful to mankind!

And don't forget -- when you mail the envelope, just tuck the flap inside the envelope, don't seal it. This can be useful later.

[Paulhoff]

Posted by me before:

Isn't fun to write about a mythical being that gives you a son and takes him right back? Gives you free will, so long as you play only by his rules, or he takes his bat and ball and goes home. A god that can make so many different galaxies, stars, planets, life forms, etc. but has only one way to his (big?) heart.
There is a good book, (I didn't finish reading it) called Creation. It is about a guy who lived about 3,000 years ago, who was a religious leader of a cult that had a fire and brimstone god (sound familiar). He travels all over the Old World and meets with people of other religions. Well finally when he is old he gets to India and meets with a Hindu Master. At this time India has been around for thousands of years already. He starts talking to the Hindu Master about his fire and brimstone, all powerful and all knowing god and at this time the Hindu Master starts to laugh. The Hindu Master says to him that they know all about this fire and brimstone god. That this god doesn't know that he is not the top god of the universe, but just one of the many lesser gods. That there are many gods in higher planes above him, and that these higher gods like to play games with the fire and brimstone god by messing up his plans without him knowing how it is being done. This of course gets this fire and brimstone god mad and the earth quakes and killing start all over again.

Paul

[Klaymore]

Oh yeah, of course you shouldn't seal the envelope... how are you going to switch the predictions if you do that? Nice catch Gord...

[Davidjayjordan]

Why do the heathen rage and the people on the discussion boards imagine a vain thing.... or why do the heathen mock when the Lord's prophecy has always come true...

Oh Yea, I know because they are attached to this world and love this world, and oh how they love their country and their governments, for that is their religion and they think their government who has filled them with lies will save them and rescue them and bring them salvation.

OH well.... their very poor choice. They get what they deserve, but the Lord's people go on..

[Paulhoff]

DJJ why are you a child of a lesser so-call god.

Paul

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Klaymore

Don't get me wrong here, DJJ, if you give me a nice, easy-to-read, fact-loaded list of not-yet-happened events, and start getting some hits, I'll be the first one to buy whatever you sell on your website, and help you get that island!

I've got nothing to sell, SORRY.... only Jesus to give away FREE...

As for prophecy, let's make it as simple as possible for the simple minded

1. Iran war
2 Peace Covenant
3. 3rd temple sacrificing
4 Rise of AC..
5. AC breaks Covenant
6. AC nukes three countries (US, two others)
7. AC invades Israel

But that is the bare bones... outline and the rationale is in numerous places.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ltimeline.html

[Davidjayjordan]

Whoops I gave a hyperlink to my websote that explains further exactly the question I am trying to answer, And yet I have been told I can get banned for doing so, as it is deemed spamming or advertising etc...

In other words, because I have a cohesive integrated website of something, I put at disadvantage those that have none and have no mental ammunition to fight against what they have never thought about before.

I am suppose to type away all my thoughts, even though I have already got them on line. I amn told not to use hyperlinks or POST exact words that answer exactly the question at hand...as the nothing people have nothing to respond in kind with because they have nothing on line.... hence it is very difficult for them to win a discussion with their nothing when faced with something.

[trvlr2]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Why do the heathen rage and the people on the discussion boards imagine a vain thing.... or why do the heathen mock when the Lord's prophecy has always come true...

Are those rhetorical questions? I am not raging. I am not surrounded by raging heathen. Define heathen, please.

Oh Yea, I know because they are attached to this world and love this world, and oh how they love their country and their governments, for that is their religion and they think their government who has filled them with lies will save them and rescue them and bring them salvation.

Yes, I live in this world, and am a product of it.Gravity seems to attach me to it.I am not unaware of the failings of my government or my country. So far, it's the best there is, I think. Well, OK, 'till we get it all sorted out...subject to change.

OH well.... their very poor choice. They get what they deserve, but the Lord's people go on..

Earlier , you spoke of departing, and specific dates. When will you depart? Never mind defining heathen, just depart.

[Terry]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Whoops I gave a hyperlink to my websote that explains further exactly the question I am trying to answer, And yet I have been told I can get banned for doing so, as it is deemed spamming or advertising etc...

That is not the case.

[Klaymore]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

I've got nothing to sell, SORRY.... only Jesus to give away FREE...

As for prophecy, let's make it as simple as possible for the simple minded


But that is the bare bones... outline and the rationale is in numerous places.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ltimeline.html

Thanks for the list, DJJ; please supply the following:

1. Iran war
On what date will the Iran war begin? Who will be the president of the United States on that date?
2 Peace Covenant
What will be the exact date of the signing of the Covenant? Who will be the signatory nations?
3. 3rd temple sacrificing
On what date? What exactly will constitute "3rd temple sacrificing?"
4 Rise of AC..
5. AC breaks Covenant
6. AC nukes three countries (US, two others)
This is a very, very good one to use as a template, because there will be NO WAY for the skeptics to deny if it is true! On what date will these bombings occur? What will be the names of the cities attacked? What are the "two other" countries?
7. AC invades Israel
On what date?

I can feel us making some real progress here...

[mylfmyhnr]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

WOh Yea, I know because they are attached to this world and love this world, and oh how they love their country and their governments, for that is their religion and they think their government who has filled them with lies will save them and rescue them and bring them salvation.

well, unlike with god we the people have a voice and a vote in the government. it was created by the people and with the ideas that the people thought fit. it's been changed by the people as the people have seen fit to change it. it's certainly not perfect and i'd be the first to argue that the system is broken... but the point is that i have the power to attempt change. god is god and gods law is totalitarian: my way or eternal damnation, pick. nice choice. and i ceriously doubt that anyone you talk to here has an even romote inclination to believing that the government=salvation.

[Klaymore]

I'm checking your link, which contains a very nicely constructed and easy-to-follow chart of the Last 7 Years. But it only has "possible" dates, "within 3 days." Also, it starts with the Peace Covenant being signed between June 7 and 20 of 2009.

Which of these dates are possible, and which are for sure? Does the plus or minus 3 days mean in addition to the 2-week spread between June 7 and 20, 2009, or does it mean that the signing of the Peace Covenant will be a 2-week affair, and will begin some time between July 4 and July 10, 2009, and will end between July 17 and July 23, 2009?

Sorry for hitting you with so many questions at once. Please answer my questions about the exact dates first. The two I really want to know are:

1) on what date does the war with Iran begin? Will the US invade Iran? This is A) the first thing on your list, and B) an invasion would be impossible for the skeptics to deny; and
2) on what date will the AC nuke the US?

Of course things like the AC's full name, what country he is from, and what date he will take power would be helpful too. Please, please, please don't worry about boring me or confusing me with concrete, factual, hard inforation like dates, personal names, and place names.

[Belz...]

Originally Posted by DJJ

This time around, the last time around, I want to choose the right shepherds and the right sheepfold. According to my choice according to scriptures. Who will you follow ?

Seriously, man. Get off that stuff. It isn't healthy.

[Paulhoff]

DJJ the scriptures where written my men, get off your high horse......

Paul



What a blind man................

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Klaymore

Thanks for the list, DJJ; please supply the following:

1. Iran war
On what date will the Iran war begin? Who will be the president of the United States on that date?
2 Peace Covenant
What will be the exact date of the signing of the Covenant? Who will be the signatory nations?
3. 3rd temple sacrificing
On what date? What exactly will constitute "3rd temple sacrificing?"
4 Rise of AC..
5. AC breaks Covenant
6. AC nukes three countries (US, two others)
This is a very, very good one to use as a template, because there will be NO WAY for the skeptics to deny if it is true! On what date will these bombings occur? What will be the names of the cities attacked? What are the "two other" countries?
7. AC invades Israel
On what date?

I can feel us making some real progress here...

These dates are based on the Dec.21, 2012 being the start of tribulation, therefore the scenario follows close to this....

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...earsDates.html

But the only ones that truly matter to us are the signing of the Covenant, The sacrificing start and then the nuclear war that decomates the US.... but by then the Lord;s people will come out of her.

The Iran war will be soon, a no brainer and leads to the Covenant, as peace must be established to give the world oil, and solve the Arab/Jew-Christian conflict.

So logically you are suppose to ask why Dec 21, 2012... and if the worldly people know this and who told them and why...

[Paulhoff]

This site has a few lists of doomday dates..............

http://www.abhota.info/index.htm

Paul



DJJ you're not on the list..............

[jsfisher]

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

This site has a few lists of doomday dates..............

http://www.abhota.info/index.htm

Paul



DJJ you're not on the list..............

This is probably the only date that really counts:

ca. 4,500,000,000 AD The sun will swell into a red giant star, swallowing Mercury, Venus, Earth, and perhaps Mars. This will be the true end of the world!

[Kochanski]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

24/7 as the Lord's spirit speaks to people..... even if all don't listen.

You mean, only if they forget to take their medication. The rest of us don't hear any gods speaking to us.