Are CRT monitors 100% dead ? - Page 2

baron · 7th March 2007, 03:08 AM

Originally Posted by bigred

? How do LCDs have a larger display area?

My 20.1" LCD has the equivalent or better display area as compared to a 22" CRT.

Originally Posted by bigred

And LCDs are not comparable in price (yet).

Taking account of the above fact, the prices are now pretty much comparable.

Blight · 7th March 2007, 06:23 AM

I have a 22" CRT. I do some graphic work as part of my job and LCD's viewing angle issues, makes working with graphics a real problem as color changes if you change your viewing angles.

I'm still hoping some better technology comes along, maybe SED or OLED as they don't suffer from the viewing angle/ghosting/dithering issues you see with some LCD technology.

geoman · 7th March 2007, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

You can do that with a mouse click on a Mac. Additionally, there's a contrast slider and a button to reverse to white font on black background. And a neat zoom feature. Since this is in the operation system, it works with everything, not just web pages.

But that button made the OS go a funny foreign language too! Turn it back quick!

roger · 7th March 2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

You can do that with a mouse click on a Mac. Additionally, there's a contrast slider and a button to reverse to white font on black background. And a neat zoom feature. Since this is in the operation system, it works with everything, not just web pages.

I can't believe people promote Macs as easy to use, when this picture shows that the controls are pure jibberish.

wahrheit · 7th March 2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by roger

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...d5193c6793.jpg

I can't believe people promote Macs as easy to use, when this picture shows that the controls are pure jibberish.

That's the only control screen which looks so crowded, because they use large fonts for visually impaired people, write the keyboard shortcuts right next to each word et cetera.

A normal control on the same machine looks like this:

geoman · 8th March 2007, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

That's the only control screen which looks so crowded, because they use large fonts for visually impaired people, write the keyboard shortcuts right next to each word et cetera.

A normal control on the same machine looks like this:
...

well, this just goes to prove Roger's point! How are we supposed to know whether we want to bildschirmschoner zufallig auswahlen?

Still, that's very handy, I never knew I could do that. It might be handy for viewing woo websites with horrible colour schemes.

wahrheit · 8th March 2007, 09:02 AM

Shame, I'm such a humor impaired idiot.

Okay, now I got it. Next time I'll try to find a screenshot in Cyrillic.

Almo · 12th March 2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

No, they just smell that way

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OK, seriously: Apart from some marginal advantages in certain graphic appliations, the only advantage that CRT monitors still hold (but are rapidly loosing) is that of price. Oh, and viewing angle.

You haven't played Quake 3 at 125 frames per second on an LCD screen then. Pixel change speed is a huge factor. It's harder to aim on LCDs since the picture doesn't update fast enough.

Ove · 16th March 2007, 06:34 AM

As a former employee of a TV manufacturer i can let you in on a secret. The problem is going to solve itself in a couple of years. There are really not that many manufacturers of picture tubes and they are stopping. We had to cancel several products way before the estimated time simply because we coudn't get tubes for them and the message was the same. 2-3 years and that's that. Perhaps as someone suggested one or two manufacturers will continue making some for enthusiasts/nerds -

but the big factories are shutting down and producing LCD and Plasma instead. I saw a prospect from Samsung. They are building a factory, the size of a town with 50000 citizens only to make LCD and Plasma Screens. Thoose guys mean business folks...

Ripley Twenty-Nine · 19th March 2007, 09:58 AM

It's interesting.. I wonder what the common term will be 10 or even 20 years from now, when 'Television' and 'Monitor' are the same thing.

I already use a projector which runs in 1024x768, and displays my home theatre PC. I use this to watch TV, movies, view digital pictures, etc.. I control everything by remote, and have a wireless keyboard and gyroscope mouse while surfing the net, etc.

Right now, when referring to it, I just call it 'the projector', because more than just a TV, but I don't really think of it as a monitor.

Maybe the more generic term 'display' will be the most widely accepted term?

wahrheit · 19th March 2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine

It's interesting.. I wonder what the common term will be 10 or even 20 years from now, when 'Television' and 'Monitor' are the same thing.

I already use a projector which runs in 1024x768, and displays my home theatre PC. I use this to watch TV, movies, view digital pictures, etc.. I control everything by remote, and have a wireless keyboard and gyroscope mouse while surfing the net, etc.

Right now, when referring to it, I just call it 'the projector', because more than just a TV, but I don't really think of it as a monitor.

Maybe the more generic term 'display' will be the most widely accepted term?

I guess that's why youTube was quickly sold to Google recently, before the brand name becomes unrecognisable (and thus worthless) for the younger kids.

RAMS · 21st March 2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Corpse Cruncher

Digital artist, excuse my shameless ignorance what is one of those?

Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies.

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html

RAMS

Ripley Twenty-Nine · 21st March 2007, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by RAMS

Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies.

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html

RAMS

Very nice painting, RAMS!

RAMS · 21st March 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by RAMS

Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies.

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html

RAMS

Thank you.

RAMS

Z · 21st March 2007, 05:29 PM

For my own part, I'll hang on to at least one CRT - my 3d goggles only work with CRT monitors... at least, so far.

parrotslave · 21st March 2007, 07:16 PM

Which will last longer in an environment with a lot of dust, LCD or CRT?

wahrheit · 22nd March 2007, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine

Very nice painting, RAMS!

Seconded. Though I'd use the plural, paintings.

RAMS, some very nice and faszinating pictures on your website.

SusanB-M1 · 24th March 2007, 01:47 AM

El Greco #1

I have just noticed this subject and have read your first post.
For not-totally-blind people a CRT screen is, I was told, much better than a flat screen because it enables the user to have better access to what's on the screen; so I hope that, for the sake of blind users, the CRT screens will not be phased out completely. For myself, now that I have been using a computer for about six years, I would be quite comfortable with a flat screen, but it must be at eye level. (This one sits on top of an old desk top case!) It seems to be impossible to buy a flat screen as a private customer which has an extending stand to raise it to eye level, although I believe they are available to commercial customers because, sensibly, of health and safety rules.
My new CCTV (Optelec ClearView+) is now made with a flat screen, but after trying this out, I bought the new CRT version because it does not blur the print so much when moving the words quickly across.
For totally blind people of course a screen is not necessary!

SusanB-M1 · 24th March 2007, 03:03 AM

I've read the whole thread now - all very interesting. I see that impaired vision has been mentioned a few times and about the Bezel on the screen.

Having bought a nice new computer table (with pull-out shelf for the keyboard), I thought a flat screen would look tidier, but that aim would be defeated by having to put a flat screen on another block of something! However, I think I'll forget the whole idea for a while.

Corpse Cruncher · 26th March 2007, 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by RAMS

Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies.

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg

http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html

RAMS

WOW, that looks like a photograph. I would think you'd end up very cross eyed colouring that in.

I love some of the art work on the links. Some links are broken or it could be my connection is going awry again.

7th March 2007, 03:08 AM	#41
baron Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Hill Posts: 1,910	Originally Posted by bigred ? How do LCDs have a larger display area? My 20.1" LCD has the equivalent or better display area as compared to a 22" CRT. Originally Posted by bigred And LCDs are not comparable in price (yet). Taking account of the above fact, the prices are now pretty much comparable.
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7th March 2007, 01:29 PM	#45
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Originally Posted by roger http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...d5193c6793.jpg I can't believe people promote Macs as easy to use, when this picture shows that the controls are pure jibberish. That's the only control screen which looks so crowded, because they use large fonts for visually impaired people, write the keyboard shortcuts right next to each word et cetera. A normal control on the same machine looks like this:
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8th March 2007, 08:42 AM	#46
geoman Doctor of Rock Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: X marks the spot Posts: 251	Originally Posted by wahrheit That's the only control screen which looks so crowded, because they use large fonts for visually impaired people, write the keyboard shortcuts right next to each word et cetera. A normal control on the same machine looks like this: ... well, this just goes to prove Roger's point! How are we supposed to know whether we want to bildschirmschoner zufallig auswahlen? We're just teasing! At least, I was... Still, that's very handy, I never knew I could do that. It might be handy for viewing woo websites with horrible colour schemes.

8th March 2007, 09:02 AM	#47
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Shame, I'm such a humor impaired idiot. Okay, now I got it. Next time I'll try to find a screenshot in Cyrillic.
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12th March 2007, 12:54 PM	#48
Almo Masterblazer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 6,404	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans No, they just smell that way . OK, seriously: Apart from some marginal advantages in certain graphic appliations, the only advantage that CRT monitors still hold (but are rapidly loosing) is that of price. Oh, and viewing angle. You haven't played Quake 3 at 125 frames per second on an LCD screen then. Pixel change speed is a huge factor. It's harder to aim on LCDs since the picture doesn't update fast enough.
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7th March 2007, 06:23 AM	#42
Blight Scholar Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Israel Posts: 107	I have a 22" CRT. I do some graphic work as part of my job and LCD's viewing angle issues, makes working with graphics a real problem as color changes if you change your viewing angles. I'm still hoping some better technology comes along, maybe SED or OLED as they don't suffer from the viewing angle/ghosting/dithering issues you see with some LCD technology.

7th March 2007, 12:23 PM	#43
geoman Doctor of Rock Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: X marks the spot Posts: 251	Originally Posted by wahrheit You can do that with a mouse click on a Mac. Additionally, there's a contrast slider and a button to reverse to white font on black background. And a neat zoom feature. Since this is in the operation system, it works with everything, not just web pages. But that button made the OS go a funny foreign language too! Turn it back quick!

7th March 2007, 12:58 PM	#44
roger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 11,021	Originally Posted by wahrheit You can do that with a mouse click on a Mac. Additionally, there's a contrast slider and a button to reverse to white font on black background. And a neat zoom feature. Since this is in the operation system, it works with everything, not just web pages. I can't believe people promote Macs as easy to use, when this picture shows that the controls are pure jibberish.

16th March 2007, 06:34 AM	#49
Ove Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,881	As a former employee of a TV manufacturer i can let you in on a secret. The problem is going to solve itself in a couple of years. There are really not that many manufacturers of picture tubes and they are stopping. We had to cancel several products way before the estimated time simply because we coudn't get tubes for them and the message was the same. 2-3 years and that's that. Perhaps as someone suggested one or two manufacturers will continue making some for enthusiasts/nerds - but the big factories are shutting down and producing LCD and Plasma instead. I saw a prospect from Samsung. They are building a factory, the size of a town with 50000 citizens only to make LCD and Plasma Screens. Thoose guys mean business folks...
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19th March 2007, 09:58 AM	#50
Ripley Twenty-Nine Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 867	It's interesting.. I wonder what the common term will be 10 or even 20 years from now, when 'Television' and 'Monitor' are the same thing. I already use a projector which runs in 1024x768, and displays my home theatre PC. I use this to watch TV, movies, view digital pictures, etc.. I control everything by remote, and have a wireless keyboard and gyroscope mouse while surfing the net, etc. Right now, when referring to it, I just call it 'the projector', because more than just a TV, but I don't really think of it as a monitor. Maybe the more generic term 'display' will be the most widely accepted term?
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19th March 2007, 10:07 AM	#51
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine It's interesting.. I wonder what the common term will be 10 or even 20 years from now, when 'Television' and 'Monitor' are the same thing. I already use a projector which runs in 1024x768, and displays my home theatre PC. I use this to watch TV, movies, view digital pictures, etc.. I control everything by remote, and have a wireless keyboard and gyroscope mouse while surfing the net, etc. Right now, when referring to it, I just call it 'the projector', because more than just a TV, but I don't really think of it as a monitor. Maybe the more generic term 'display' will be the most widely accepted term? I guess that's why youTube was quickly sold to Google recently, before the brand name becomes unrecognisable (and thus worthless) for the younger kids.
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21st March 2007, 07:50 AM	#52
RAMS Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 157	Originally Posted by Corpse Cruncher Digital artist, excuse my shameless ignorance what is one of those? Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies. http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html RAMS
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21st March 2007, 09:45 AM	#53
Ripley Twenty-Nine Muse Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 867	Originally Posted by RAMS Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies. http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html RAMS Very nice painting, RAMS!
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21st March 2007, 11:27 AM	#54
RAMS Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 157	Originally Posted by RAMS Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies. http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html RAMS Thank you. RAMS
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21st March 2007, 05:29 PM	#55
Z D.D.D. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In a den in my lair, on the edge of your mind. Posts: 9,166	For my own part, I'll hang on to at least one CRT - my 3d goggles only work with CRT monitors... at least, so far.
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21st March 2007, 07:16 PM	#56
parrotslave Thinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Island of Misfit Toys Posts: 249	Which will last longer in an environment with a lot of dust, LCD or CRT?

22nd March 2007, 12:52 AM	#57
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	Originally Posted by Ripley Twenty-Nine Very nice painting, RAMS! Seconded. Though I'd use the plural, paintings. RAMS, some very nice and faszinating pictures on your website.
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24th March 2007, 01:47 AM	#58
SusanB-M1 Incurable Optimist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Almost in the New Forest, Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,865	El Greco #1 I have just noticed this subject and have read your first post. For not-totally-blind people a CRT screen is, I was told, much better than a flat screen because it enables the user to have better access to what's on the screen; so I hope that, for the sake of blind users, the CRT screens will not be phased out completely. For myself, now that I have been using a computer for about six years, I would be quite comfortable with a flat screen, but it must be at eye level. (This one sits on top of an old desk top case!) It seems to be impossible to buy a flat screen as a private customer which has an extending stand to raise it to eye level, although I believe they are available to commercial customers because, sensibly, of health and safety rules. My new CCTV (Optelec ClearView+) is now made with a flat screen, but after trying this out, I bought the new CRT version because it does not blur the print so much when moving the words quickly across. For totally blind people of course a screen is not necessary!

24th March 2007, 03:03 AM	#59
SusanB-M1 Incurable Optimist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Almost in the New Forest, Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,865	I've read the whole thread now - all very interesting. I see that impaired vision has been mentioned a few times and about the Bezel on the screen. Having bought a nice new computer table (with pull-out shelf for the keyboard), I thought a flat screen would look tidier, but that aim would be defeated by having to put a flat screen on another block of something! However, I think I'll forget the whole idea for a while.

26th March 2007, 03:58 AM	#60
Corpse Cruncher Guest Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In the great cooking pot in the sky. Posts: 3,811	Originally Posted by RAMS Doing work like this, is digital art.....also, at the same link, FX for movies. http://www.behold-the-rage.com/image...ers_voyage.jpg http://www.behold-the-rage.com/the_images.html RAMS WOW, that looks like a photograph. I would think you'd end up very cross eyed colouring that in. I love some of the art work on the links. Some links are broken or it could be my connection is going awry again.
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