Bush: I've got God, that puts me one up on Churchill

headscratcher4 · 8th March 2007, 01:04 PM

I saw this in Salon today, if accurate, it may tell us all somehting about the Bush crack-up:

At the latest meeting of Bush's book club, where the guest was "Andrew Roberts, an English conservative historian and columnist and the author of 'The Churchillians' and, most recently, 'A History of the English-Speaking People Since 1900."

"The subject of Winston Churchill inspired Bush's self-reflection. The president confided to Roberts that he believes he has an advantage over Churchill, a reliable source with access to the conversation told me. He has faith in God, Bush explained, but Churchill, an agnostic, did not. Because he believes in God, it is easier for him to make decisions and stick to them than it was for Churchill. Bush said he doesn't worry, or feel alone, or care if he is unpopular. He has God."

With god at his side...what could possibly go wrong?

The Central Scrutinizer · 8th March 2007, 01:11 PM

Why do you hate America?

headscratcher4 · 8th March 2007, 01:15 PM

Because I hate freedom and democracy. I hate free speech too. Oh, yes, I hate lima beans most. I also hate American Idol.

Darth Rotor · 8th March 2007, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

I also hate American Idol.

That makes two of us.

Oh, I think President Bush missed a critical point. He is alive.

"I am alive, so that makes me two up on Churchill!"

Maybe that was edited out by a compassionate interviewer.

DR

KoihimeNakamura · 8th March 2007, 01:24 PM

Heh, I remember Bush's "If you aren't Christian..." gaffe a bit ago. Anyway, plenty can go wrong if God isn't talking to him. (Does he talk to ANYONE? - Er, wrong forum.)

NotJesus · 8th March 2007, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

Because I hate freedom and democracy. I hate free speech too. Oh, yes, I hate lima beans most. I also hate American Idol.

But why do you hate God?

headscratcher4 · 8th March 2007, 01:25 PM

Yes, but Churhill could write...so maybe they're even.

Upchurch · 8th March 2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Tokorona

Heh, I remember Bush's "If you aren't Christian..." gaffe a bit ago.

I don't.

gtc · 8th March 2007, 01:37 PM

Kind of puts paid to the suggestion that bush is stupid, if he is reading history books like those.

headscratcher4 · 8th March 2007, 01:44 PM

How do you figure he is reading them?

hgc · 8th March 2007, 01:46 PM

Bush is evidence that God hates America. Allahu Ackbar!

Tony · 8th March 2007, 01:58 PM

Is there anymore doubt that Bush is a complete moron?

Tony · 8th March 2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

How do you figure he is reading them?

And so what if he is? Just because he reads a book doesn't mean he's isn't stupid. It just means he is smart enough to be in the 1st grade.

Darth Rotor · 8th March 2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Bush is evidence that God hates America. Allahu Ackbar!

I think the usual English presentation is "Akhbar" but that's a quibble.

I have never been to an ackbar, is it anything like a piano bar?

DR

shecky · 8th March 2007, 02:09 PM

Perhaps Bush was thinking of Ward Churchill?

Mephisto · 8th March 2007, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

How do you figure he is reading them?

I've got proof that he's read Albert Camus' The Stranger

Quote:

My Summer Reading Journal

George W. Bush reads Camus (as told to Julian Sanchez).
By Julian Sanchez
Web Exclusive: 08.18.06

August 4: For my summer vacation, I decided to read The Stranger by Albert Camus (in American). I decided this for a couple reasons. For one, there was this other book Terror and Liberalism I was listening to while I was jogging a while back, where it says Sayyid Qutb and that Zawahiri fella are like the evil bearded Mirror Universe versions of Albert here, who's big on freedom. Even turns out I already quoted him once about how democracy's a "long distance race." And the war on terror? That's a war of ideas. So we need to know what kind of philosophy we should be dropping on the bad guys' caves.

Another reason, salt of the earth folk like me who never read any Camus or Jacques Derrida or Gerard Depardieu, we're always getting our noses rubbed in it by all these snooty elites. This should show them. At least maybe they'll shut up about the goddamn goat book.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...rticleId=11887

(edited to add)

Quote:

August 7: Here comes the action! Meursault has a fight with some Arab guys, and then shoots one of them on this beach just because, and then everyone turns against him -- boy howdy, tell me about it! It was sort of a preemptive strike, but the guy he shot even had a knife out. But at the trial, they don't even talk about that, just about how cold he was at Mom's funeral, and some activist judge sentences him to death. Then at the end he flips out at this padre and gives this rambling speech I need to think some more about.

headscratcher4 · 8th March 2007, 02:12 PM

I think it was the Classic Comics version....

Mephisto · 8th March 2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

I think it was the Classic Comics version....

Cliff's Notes would have been too comprehensive.

hgc · 8th March 2007, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor

I have never been to an ackbar, is it anything like a piano bar?

DR

Do you mean is it a gathering place for gay men? You can lose your head in Saudi Arabia for making such a suggestion.

Mephisto · 8th March 2007, 03:20 PM

Now I'm really confused, what does Allahu Gaybar mean?

Azure · 8th March 2007, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tony

Is there anymore doubt that Bush is a complete moron?

He is a moron for saying this because Churchill is possibly the greatest leader the free world has known.

But he is not a moron for having faith in God. Once you can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then you might have a point. Until then...

slingblade · 8th March 2007, 04:24 PM

Azure, I personally don't have any stake in proving to you that God, Santa, and all the other imaginaries don't exist. I don't care what lunacy helps you sleep better.

I simply don't care what you think or why you think it.

I'm betting that makes us even, huh?

Lonewulf · 8th March 2007, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

But he is not a moron for having faith in God.

Is he a moron for claiming that he's better than someone else because "he has God", and the other person does not?

If not, then do you justify or defend that kind of behavior?

Tony · 8th March 2007, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

He is a moron for saying this because Churchill is possibly the greatest leader the free world has known.

Why do you hate making sense?

Quote:

But he is not a moron for having faith in God.

He's a moron for claiming that his faith in god makes him a better leader than Churchill.

Quote:

Once you can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then you might have a point.

The onus is on you to prove that god does exist. You can't prove a negative and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A real skeptic would know that. You are not a real skeptic.

Azure · 8th March 2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by slingblade

Azure, I personally don't have any stake in proving to you that God, Santa, and all the other imaginaries don't exist. I don't care what lunacy helps you sleep better.

I simply don't care what you think or why you think it.

I'm betting that makes us even, huh?

So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa?

Nice stretch there.

And its not lunacy, its called faith. Look it up.

Azure · 8th March 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Is he a moron for claiming that he's better than someone else because "he has God", and the other person does not?

If not, then do you justify or defend that kind of behavior?

Sure.

But he is not a moron for having faith in God. That was my original point.

Bush is not even half the man Churchill was.

Gord_in_Toronto · 8th March 2007, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

. . .
I hate lima beans most.
. . .

You bastard! How can you possibly live with yourself?

Luke T. · 8th March 2007, 04:51 PM

First, a link would help: Here you go!

Next, the full article betrays an anti-Bush bias. It is not an objective article. So should we take this as gospel?

Quote:

a reliable source with access to the conversation told me.

I just love that kind of crap. What is that, a third hand or fourth hand report? And what the hell does "access to the conversation" mean?

geni · 8th March 2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

make decisions and stick to them than it was for Churchill

I wasn't aware that any suggested that Churchill had a problem with sticking to decisions.

Invadeing southen europe yes, raceism yes, less than 100% record of choseing good scientists yes. Sticking to decisions not so much.

Lonewulf · 8th March 2007, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa?

It's called a comparison. In your own words, "look it up".

steverino · 8th March 2007, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa?

Nice stretch there.

And its not lunacy, its called faith. Look it up.

Funny. When I slammed Obama and Hillary for hootin' & hollerin' in Selma churches, no one on this forum mentioned the hypocracy of theism.

Azure · 8th March 2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

It's called a comparison. In your own words, "look it up".

Something is seriously missing up 'there' if you think Santa and God are a good comparison.

You can prove Santa doesn't exist, but you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

Cleon · 8th March 2007, 05:38 PM

No, Azure, you're right. Bush isn't a moron for believing in God. Lots of intelligent, reasonable people believe in God.

Bush is a moron for thinking he's a better man than Churchill just because he believes in God. Not only that, he's a piss-poor Christian.

Azure · 8th March 2007, 05:41 PM

Agreed.

hgc · 8th March 2007, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

You can prove Santa doesn't exist, but you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

Please prove Santa doesn't exist.

a_unique_person · 8th March 2007, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

No, Azure, you're right. Bush isn't a moron for believing in God. Lots of intelligent, reasonable people believe in God.

Bush is a moron for thinking he's a better man than Churchill just because he believes in God. Not only that, he's a piss-poor Christian.

And that because he believes in God, he can't make any wrong decisions.

Lonewulf · 8th March 2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Azure

You can prove Santa doesn't exist.

Do so.

gtc · 8th March 2007, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Cleon

No, Azure, you're right. Bush isn't a moron for believing in God. Lots of intelligent, reasonable people believe in God.

Bush is a moron for thinking he's a better man than Churchill just because he believes in God. Not only that, he's a piss-poor Christian.

The quote in the OP says that Bush thinks he has an advantage over Churchill, not that he thinks that he is better. There is a difference.

I have an advantage over Hawking, because my legs work properly. Does that make me better? Of course not.

But sure, if it makes you feel better to assume that Bush is an idiot, then go right ahead.

gtc · 8th March 2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

And that because he believes in God, he can't make any wrong decisions.

Evidence that he believes that?

Azure · 8th March 2007, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by hgc

Please prove Santa doesn't exist.

Go to the North Pole and look for Santa and the elves.

Unless they moved due to global warming.

Quote:

or simply Santa is a popular mythological character

Speaking of the North American version of Santa.

8th March 2007, 01:04 PM	#1
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Bush: I've got God, that puts me one up on Churchill I saw this in Salon today, if accurate, it may tell us all somehting about the Bush crack-up: At the latest meeting of Bush's book club, where the guest was "Andrew Roberts, an English conservative historian and columnist and the author of 'The Churchillians' and, most recently, 'A History of the English-Speaking People Since 1900." "The subject of Winston Churchill inspired Bush's self-reflection. The president confided to Roberts that he believes he has an advantage over Churchill, a reliable source with access to the conversation told me. He has faith in God, Bush explained, but Churchill, an agnostic, did not. Because he believes in God, it is easier for him to make decisions and stick to them than it was for Churchill. Bush said he doesn't worry, or feel alone, or care if he is unpopular. He has God." With god at his side...what could possibly go wrong?
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Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,257	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 I also hate American Idol. That makes two of us. Oh, I think President Bush missed a critical point. He is alive. "I am alive, so that makes me two up on Churchill!" Maybe that was edited out by a compassionate interviewer. DR
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NotJesus Unsaviory Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA Posts: 5,473	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 Because I hate freedom and democracy. I hate free speech too. Oh, yes, I hate lima beans most. I also hate American Idol. But why do you hate God?
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8th March 2007, 01:24 PM	#5
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,857	Heh, I remember Bush's "If you aren't Christian..." gaffe a bit ago. Anyway, plenty can go wrong if God isn't talking to him. (Does he talk to ANYONE? - Er, wrong forum.)

8th March 2007, 01:25 PM	#7
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Yes, but Churhill could write...so maybe they're even.
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8th March 2007, 01:28 PM	#8
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Originally Posted by Tokorona Heh, I remember Bush's "If you aren't Christian..." gaffe a bit ago. I don't.

8th March 2007, 01:37 PM	#9
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Kind of puts paid to the suggestion that bush is stupid, if he is reading history books like those.

8th March 2007, 01:44 PM	#10
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	How do you figure he is reading them?
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8th March 2007, 01:46 PM	#11
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,012	Bush is evidence that God hates America. Allahu Ackbar!
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8th March 2007, 01:59 PM	#13
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,765	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 How do you figure he is reading them? And so what if he is? Just because he reads a book doesn't mean he's isn't stupid. It just means he is smart enough to be in the 1st grade.
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8th March 2007, 02:04 PM	#14
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,257	Originally Posted by hgc Bush is evidence that God hates America. Allahu Ackbar! I think the usual English presentation is "Akhbar" but that's a quibble. I have never been to an ackbar, is it anything like a piano bar? DR
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8th March 2007, 02:09 PM	#15
shecky Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Home of the Homeless Posts: 2,190	Perhaps Bush was thinking of Ward Churchill?
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Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 How do you figure he is reading them? I've got proof that he's read Albert Camus' The Stranger Quote: My Summer Reading Journal George W. Bush reads Camus (as told to Julian Sanchez). By Julian Sanchez Web Exclusive: 08.18.06 August 4: For my summer vacation, I decided to read The Stranger by Albert Camus (in American). I decided this for a couple reasons. For one, there was this other book Terror and Liberalism I was listening to while I was jogging a while back, where it says Sayyid Qutb and that Zawahiri fella are like the evil bearded Mirror Universe versions of Albert here, who's big on freedom. Even turns out I already quoted him once about how democracy's a "long distance race." And the war on terror? That's a war of ideas. So we need to know what kind of philosophy we should be dropping on the bad guys' caves. Another reason, salt of the earth folk like me who never read any Camus or Jacques Derrida or Gerard Depardieu, we're always getting our noses rubbed in it by all these snooty elites. This should show them. At least maybe they'll shut up about the goddamn goat book. http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?...rticleId=11887 (edited to add) Quote: August 7: Here comes the action! Meursault has a fight with some Arab guys, and then shoots one of them on this beach just because, and then everyone turns against him -- boy howdy, tell me about it! It was sort of a preemptive strike, but the guy he shot even had a knife out. But at the trial, they don't even talk about that, just about how cold he was at Mom's funeral, and some activist judge sentences him to death. Then at the end he flips out at this padre and gives this rambling speech I need to think some more about.
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8th March 2007, 02:12 PM	#17
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	I think it was the Classic Comics version....
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8th March 2007, 02:16 PM	#18
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 I think it was the Classic Comics version.... Cliff's Notes would have been too comprehensive.
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hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,012	Originally Posted by Darth Rotor I have never been to an ackbar, is it anything like a piano bar? DR Do you mean is it a gathering place for gay men? You can lose your head in Saudi Arabia for making such a suggestion.
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Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Now I'm really confused, what does Allahu Gaybar mean?
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8th March 2007, 04:04 PM	#21
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Originally Posted by Tony Is there anymore doubt that Bush is a complete moron? He is a moron for saying this because Churchill is possibly the greatest leader the free world has known. But he is not a moron for having faith in God. Once you can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then you might have a point. Until then...

8th March 2007, 04:24 PM	#22
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Azure, I personally don't have any stake in proving to you that God, Santa, and all the other imaginaries don't exist. I don't care what lunacy helps you sleep better. I simply don't care what you think or why you think it. I'm betting that makes us even, huh?
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8th March 2007, 04:27 PM	#23
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Azure But he is not a moron for having faith in God. Is he a moron for claiming that he's better than someone else because "he has God", and the other person does not? If not, then do you justify or defend that kind of behavior?
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8th March 2007, 04:29 PM	#24
Tony Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 13,765	Originally Posted by Azure He is a moron for saying this because Churchill is possibly the greatest leader the free world has known. Why do you hate making sense? Quote: But he is not a moron for having faith in God. He's a moron for claiming that his faith in god makes him a better leader than Churchill. Quote: Once you can prove to me that God doesn't exist, then you might have a point. The onus is on you to prove that god does exist. You can't prove a negative and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A real skeptic would know that. You are not a real skeptic.
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8th March 2007, 04:45 PM	#25
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Originally Posted by slingblade Azure, I personally don't have any stake in proving to you that God, Santa, and all the other imaginaries don't exist. I don't care what lunacy helps you sleep better. I simply don't care what you think or why you think it. I'm betting that makes us even, huh? So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa? Nice stretch there. And its not lunacy, its called faith. Look it up.

8th March 2007, 04:46 PM	#26
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Is he a moron for claiming that he's better than someone else because "he has God", and the other person does not? If not, then do you justify or defend that kind of behavior? Sure. But he is not a moron for having faith in God. That was my original point. Bush is not even half the man Churchill was.

8th March 2007, 04:50 PM	#27
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,415	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 . . . I hate lima beans most. . . . You bastard! How can you possibly live with yourself?
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8th March 2007, 04:51 PM	#28
Luke T. Guest Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 14,759	First, a link would help: Here you go! Next, the full article betrays an anti-Bush bias. It is not an objective article. So should we take this as gospel? Quote: a reliable source with access to the conversation told me. I just love that kind of crap. What is that, a third hand or fourth hand report? And what the hell does "access to the conversation" mean?
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8th March 2007, 04:57 PM	#29
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,568	Quote: make decisions and stick to them than it was for Churchill I wasn't aware that any suggested that Churchill had a problem with sticking to decisions. Invadeing southen europe yes, raceism yes, less than 100% record of choseing good scientists yes. Sticking to decisions not so much.

8th March 2007, 04:57 PM	#30
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by Azure So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa? It's called a comparison. In your own words, "look it up".
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8th March 2007, 05:04 PM	#31
steverino Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 3,688	Originally Posted by Azure So you assume that when I believe in God, I also believe in Santa? Nice stretch there. And its not lunacy, its called faith. Look it up. Funny. When I slammed Obama and Hillary for hootin' & hollerin' in Selma churches, no one on this forum mentioned the hypocracy of theism.
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8th March 2007, 05:05 PM	#32
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Originally Posted by Lonewulf It's called a comparison. In your own words, "look it up". Something is seriously missing up 'there' if you think Santa and God are a good comparison. You can prove Santa doesn't exist, but you cannot prove that God doesn't exist.

8th March 2007, 05:38 PM	#33
Cleon King of the Pod People Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 20,529	No, Azure, you're right. Bush isn't a moron for believing in God. Lots of intelligent, reasonable people believe in God. Bush is a moron for thinking he's a better man than Churchill just because he believes in God. Not only that, he's a piss-poor Christian.
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8th March 2007, 05:41 PM	#34
Azure Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 2,538	Agreed.

8th March 2007, 05:47 PM	#35
hgc Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 13,012	Originally Posted by Azure You can prove Santa doesn't exist, but you cannot prove that God doesn't exist. Please prove Santa doesn't exist.
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