Why the US Government refuse to manufacture this device - Page 14

rtalman · 23rd March 2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

(Bolding mine.) Guess that wasn't true either. Link.

BAM!

Dan O. · 23rd March 2007, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by rtalman

Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on

rtalman · 23rd March 2007, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dan O.

Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on

But then I would have no reason for racing stripes or NOS stickers.

bruto · 23rd March 2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Dan O.

Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on

No no, it's a potential perpetual motion machine! Forget the fancy schmancy germanium doodads and stuff. All you have to do is put a crankpin on one wheel of your toy car, duct tape the charger to the top, and then when the car goes, it will crank the charger and charge its own batteries. It will go forever and ever and ever (and may be ever and ever...), and if you run it fast enough, it will charge more and more batteries, until you rule the world.

I'm going over to the Challenge forum to start applying for my million bucks.

strathmeyer · 24th March 2007, 01:15 AM

I don't get it, why is sock puppetry so hard? I think I'll give it a try just so I can make fun of others who can't do it.

robinson · 24th March 2007, 10:17 AM

Say bye bye.

jsiv · 24th March 2007, 12:42 PM

As a devoted follower of Pro7's free energy science, he has shared his latest research with me in private:

Quote:

Hi Jsiv,
As a advice, please do not post it on the forum or anywhere else. They dont deserve to see it.

As a general rule, Im not going to input any mathematical formulas for this schematics.

This schematic is for a real automobile, and as a general rule, its usually the descript of

Battery>>>device>>>battery

And you can convert it to lower modulations for a remote controlled toy. This schematic is flexible. This schematic is the first of its kind to represent a "transistorizing capacitor" unit.

You'll be surprised just how similiar this schematic diagram is to the basic one you made on the forum.

(Yes, I know.)

Fnord · 26th March 2007, 08:34 AM

That schematic is for a battery-operated phase-shift oscillator. It does nothing more than drain energy from the battery and produce heat -- there is not even a designated output port!

He's trying to pass off an Electronics 101 circuit as a sophisticated "Free-Energy" device. This device does not violate any physical laws, nor does it create energy. Just how ignorant does he think we are?

... as much as he?

And FYI: There is no similarity to my schematic.

jimbob · 26th March 2007, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Fnord

Go, you shall. Oprah, I must watch. Hottie, she is!

Why don't you start a discusion about whether beauty is subjective or objective...

Originally Posted by Z

This was in response to comments apparently made by Bubblefish in another thread. Specifically, he made the claim that the statement, "Angelina Jolie is a beautiful woman," is an objective statement. He has further claimed that beauty is at the same time BOTH objective and subjective.

This slight derail is only because Fnord (especially) has cpomprehensively debunked this... though your diagram was less suitable than JSIV's:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post2429912

Jim

bruto · 26th March 2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Fnord

And FYI: There is no similarity to my schematic.

Aw come on, coach. It's got like lines an' squiggles an' all that neat engineering stuff in it. And it's even the same color.

MRC_Hans · 27th March 2007, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by jsiv

As a devoted follower of Pro7's free energy science, he has shared his latest research with me in private:

(Yes, I know.)

That guy is one sick puppy. I had a colleague like that (before he was institutionalized). He would also make strange diagrams and claim they did various weird things.

At least that circuit will do something. It will oscillate at some non-descript frequency, mainly determined by R1 and C2. How he even imagines that it could charge the battery (let alone charge it with more power than it drains), is beyond me.

Hans

Thabiguy · 27th March 2007, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

That guy is one sick puppy. I had a colleague like that (before he was institutionalized). He would also make strange diagrams and claim they did various weird things.

Maybe the guy isn't outright sick. I used to be like that, too. I made various strange diagrams and plans for unworkable devices and imagined they did the most amazing things. And I was telling my peers stories that were completely made up. It didn't feel like lying, as I was not trying to cover up anything or get any unfair advantage. Engaging in these fantasies seemed harmless, it was just a game of make believe. And sometimes the people around would play along. After all, I was eight.

When I was eleven and starting to learn physics, I also made plans for my own free energy device.

I really believed it would work and not even my physics teacher could convince me otherwise. - Later, of course, I grew up, learned more about physics and realized myself it wouldn't work. And I realized that reality can be even more exciting than naive stuff made-up from ignorance. And that it's not okay to claim things that aren't real, nor is it necessary to suppress your vivid imagination, for there are ways to make use of creativity and suspension of disbelief to both yours and others' enjoyment - writing, acting, role-playing games, story art, animation, etc.

So if Pro7 is a young teen (have you read his 'you-are-gay' insults?), I don't really blame him for making up stuff; he can still grow out of it. And if not, oh well. I have a friend who is well into his twenties and still likes to make up nonsense. Some people are bothered by that, but I don't really mind; I know he leads a boring life and wants to believe that all these cool things are happening to him. He's nice to others and fun to hang around with, so I don't find it worth to severe the friendship by confronting him. Sometimes when he goes too far, I just ask him a simple favor that would be trivial to do if he was telling the truth but very difficult otherwise. I found this very effective in keeping his fantasies at a reasonable level.

trvlr2 · 27th March 2007, 05:23 AM

Thabiguy-maybe you should become a scout leader, you like hanging with kids so much?

Thabiguy · 27th March 2007, 06:15 AM

Thanks for the tip, trvlr2, but I think I'll pass. While occasionally babysitting my friends' and relatives' children can be fun, I don't think I would want to do that as my job. I don't like loud noises and the pay, I hear, is rather poor.

e-sabbath · 27th March 2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by rtalman

You know, you could sell these as execu-toys or for hikers.

Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost and how much effort it would take to make a flywheel powered cellphone charger.

Fnord · 27th March 2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by e-sabbath

You know, you could sell these as execu-toys or for hikers.

Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost and how much effort it would take to make a flywheel powered cellphone charger.

Like this?

(Repeated link)

rtalman · 27th March 2007, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Fnord

Like this?

(Repeated link)

But that is not as cool as a little race car that doubles as a cellphone.

I could easily see one making it's way into the Hammacher Schlemmer catalog.

Start production now, and you could be ready for the xmas shopping season.

termite37 · 3rd April 2007, 10:55 PM

I have been watching this topic for the longest time. I decided to join JREF.

I know who Tek Investigation is in Idaho. Whoever dare to impersonate them in any forums or any websites deserves to be throughly investigated.

Nice try, Mr. Stacey. It gives Tek Investigation more reason to throw you in the slammer.

David B.
Computer Investigative Services, utah

Freethinker · 4th April 2007, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Thabiguy

.....After all, I was eight.

Whoa! Half way through the first paragraph, I had made the decision to put you into my "This guy's a nut!" category. You had me going.

Thomas1016 · 4th April 2007, 09:19 AM

what is the point of you coming on here and even say anything if your not willing to demonstrate your invention. I find it hard to believe after spending so much time on it to and seeing it work you would burn the schematics. I think you sound more like B.S. artist who craves attention. there are many patent attorneys who would gladly help you and provide money to develop it if it was what you claim it to be.

Iamme · 5th April 2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Dan O.

What do you get if you have 2 dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other and wires soldered to the opposite ends?

I think this whole thread was a joke. But aside from post #17, where did Pro7 make any claim that could not be true?

When I read the entire OP...the whole thing... I thought ...Joe Newman...revisited. But then I thought...hey, maybe this is an April Fools joke. So I went back to look.

I am getting a kick out of you electrical engineer types grappling with the diodes and such stuff. It is obvious to anyone with just common sense, who does not understand anything more about electricty than how you get shocked in your house when you touch the metal corner bead...that you can't have an electrical run device run itself on the same elctriciity, or mechanical conversion of it, created from it being run.

Alternators work in accomplishing what they do because they are driven by a much more powerful engine that only needs a teeny weeny fraction of that electrical power back, in order to create the spark which then in turn can blast the alternator around in circles again. Very different from his supposed made and working device which must consume the very energy that it is creating by at LEAST 100%.

I just wish the guy didn't get suspended, (I wonder why?..dad rat it) as posts like this to me are like eating caviar...not that I ever have, but you know what I mean.

...............

Sort of ironically...that new tv show called "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?", is on right now.

bruto · 5th April 2007, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Iamme

I just wish the guy didn't get suspended, (I wonder why?..dad rat it) as posts like this to me are like eating caviar...not that I ever have, but you know what I mean.

It really is one of those threads that's hard to resist, isn't it? I suppose when Pro7 boasted about how he was getting away with using sock puppets, the next step was sort of predictable.

fuelair · 5th April 2007, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dan O.

Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on

I thought (well, am darn sure) the OPer of this thread was a convenient crank.

robinson · 5th April 2007, 08:19 PM

Really?

23rd March 2007, 02:55 PM	#521
rtalman Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 835	Originally Posted by Hokulele (Bolding mine.) Guess that wasn't true either. Link. BAM!
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23rd March 2007, 08:54 PM	#522
Dan O. Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,620	Originally Posted by rtalman Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on
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23rd March 2007, 09:54 PM	#523
rtalman Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 835	Originally Posted by Dan O. Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on But then I would have no reason for racing stripes or NOS stickers.
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23rd March 2007, 10:15 PM	#524
bruto Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 7,053	Originally Posted by Dan O. Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on No no, it's a potential perpetual motion machine! Forget the fancy schmancy germanium doodads and stuff. All you have to do is put a crankpin on one wheel of your toy car, duct tape the charger to the top, and then when the car goes, it will crank the charger and charge its own batteries. It will go forever and ever and ever (and may be ever and ever...), and if you run it fast enough, it will charge more and more batteries, until you rule the world. I'm going over to the Challenge forum to start applying for my million bucks.
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24th March 2007, 12:42 PM	#527
jsiv King of Svalbard Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bortenfor alle blåner Posts: 4,273	As a devoted follower of Pro7's free energy science, he has shared his latest research with me in private: Quote: Hi Jsiv, As a advice, please do not post it on the forum or anywhere else. They dont deserve to see it. As a general rule, Im not going to input any mathematical formulas for this schematics. This schematic is for a real automobile, and as a general rule, its usually the descript of Battery>>>device>>>battery And you can convert it to lower modulations for a remote controlled toy. This schematic is flexible. This schematic is the first of its kind to represent a "transistorizing capacitor" unit. You'll be surprised just how similiar this schematic diagram is to the basic one you made on the forum. (Yes, I know.)
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24th March 2007, 01:15 AM	#525
strathmeyer seriously unable to be serious Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Posts: 2,382	I don't get it, why is sock puppetry so hard? I think I'll give it a try just so I can make fun of others who can't do it.

24th March 2007, 10:17 AM	#526
robinson Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 6,136	Say bye bye.

26th March 2007, 08:34 AM	#528
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pantopia Posts: 4,911	What a maroon! That schematic is for a battery-operated phase-shift oscillator. It does nothing more than drain energy from the battery and produce heat -- there is not even a designated output port! He's trying to pass off an Electronics 101 circuit as a sophisticated "Free-Energy" device. This device does not violate any physical laws, nor does it create energy. Just how ignorant does he think we are? ... as much as he? And FYI: There is no similarity to my schematic.
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26th March 2007, 09:52 AM	#529
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Derbyshire, UK Posts: 3,558	Originally Posted by Fnord Go, you shall. Oprah, I must watch. Hottie, she is! Why don't you start a discusion about whether beauty is subjective or objective... Originally Posted by Z This was in response to comments apparently made by Bubblefish in another thread. Specifically, he made the claim that the statement, "Angelina Jolie is a beautiful woman," is an objective statement. He has further claimed that beauty is at the same time BOTH objective and subjective. This slight derail is only because Fnord (especially) has cpomprehensively debunked this... though your diagram was less suitable than JSIV's: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post2429912 Jim

26th March 2007, 10:04 AM	#530
bruto Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 7,053	Originally Posted by Fnord And FYI: There is no similarity to my schematic. Aw come on, coach. It's got like lines an' squiggles an' all that neat engineering stuff in it. And it's even the same color.
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27th March 2007, 02:33 AM	#531
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: N55.47'36" E12.30'21" Posts: 11,249	Originally Posted by jsiv As a devoted follower of Pro7's free energy science, he has shared his latest research with me in private: (Yes, I know.) That guy is one sick puppy. I had a colleague like that (before he was institutionalized). He would also make strange diagrams and claim they did various weird things. At least that circuit will do something. It will oscillate at some non-descript frequency, mainly determined by R1 and C2. How he even imagines that it could charge the battery (let alone charge it with more power than it drains), is beyond me. Hans
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27th March 2007, 04:50 AM	#532
Thabiguy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 696	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans That guy is one sick puppy. I had a colleague like that (before he was institutionalized). He would also make strange diagrams and claim they did various weird things. Maybe the guy isn't outright sick. I used to be like that, too. I made various strange diagrams and plans for unworkable devices and imagined they did the most amazing things. And I was telling my peers stories that were completely made up. It didn't feel like lying, as I was not trying to cover up anything or get any unfair advantage. Engaging in these fantasies seemed harmless, it was just a game of make believe. And sometimes the people around would play along. After all, I was eight. When I was eleven and starting to learn physics, I also made plans for my own free energy device. I really believed it would work and not even my physics teacher could convince me otherwise. - Later, of course, I grew up, learned more about physics and realized myself it wouldn't work. And I realized that reality can be even more exciting than naive stuff made-up from ignorance. And that it's not okay to claim things that aren't real, nor is it necessary to suppress your vivid imagination, for there are ways to make use of creativity and suspension of disbelief to both yours and others' enjoyment - writing, acting, role-playing games, story art, animation, etc. So if Pro7 is a young teen (have you read his 'you-are-gay' insults?), I don't really blame him for making up stuff; he can still grow out of it. And if not, oh well. I have a friend who is well into his twenties and still likes to make up nonsense. Some people are bothered by that, but I don't really mind; I know he leads a boring life and wants to believe that all these cool things are happening to him. He's nice to others and fun to hang around with, so I don't find it worth to severe the friendship by confronting him. Sometimes when he goes too far, I just ask him a simple favor that would be trivial to do if he was telling the truth but very difficult otherwise. I found this very effective in keeping his fantasies at a reasonable level.
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27th March 2007, 05:23 AM	#533
trvlr2 Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 656	Thabiguy-maybe you should become a scout leader, you like hanging with kids so much?
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27th March 2007, 06:15 AM	#534
Thabiguy Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 696	Thanks for the tip, trvlr2, but I think I'll pass. While occasionally babysitting my friends' and relatives' children can be fun, I don't think I would want to do that as my job. I don't like loud noises and the pay, I hear, is rather poor.
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27th March 2007, 12:50 PM	#535
e-sabbath Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 295	Originally Posted by rtalman You know, you could sell these as execu-toys or for hikers. Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost and how much effort it would take to make a flywheel powered cellphone charger.

27th March 2007, 01:42 PM	#536
Fnord Metasyntactic Variable Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pantopia Posts: 4,911	Originally Posted by e-sabbath You know, you could sell these as execu-toys or for hikers. Hmmmm. I wonder how much it would cost and how much effort it would take to make a flywheel powered cellphone charger. Like this? (Repeated link)
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27th March 2007, 02:15 PM	#537
rtalman Muse Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 835	Originally Posted by Fnord Like this? (Repeated link) But that is not as cool as a little race car that doubles as a cellphone. I could easily see one making it's way into the Hammacher Schlemmer catalog. Start production now, and you could be ready for the xmas shopping season.
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termite37 Scholar Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 55	I have been watching this topic for the longest time. I decided to join JREF. I know who Tek Investigation is in Idaho. Whoever dare to impersonate them in any forums or any websites deserves to be throughly investigated. Nice try, Mr. Stacey. It gives Tek Investigation more reason to throw you in the slammer. David B. Computer Investigative Services, utah
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Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Uncanny Valley Posts: 1,321	Originally Posted by Thabiguy .....After all, I was eight. Whoa! Half way through the first paragraph, I had made the decision to put you into my "This guy's a nut!" category. You had me going.
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4th April 2007, 09:19 AM	#540
Thomas1016 Scholar Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 102	what is the point of you coming on here and even say anything if your not willing to demonstrate your invention. I find it hard to believe after spending so much time on it to and seeing it work you would burn the schematics. I think you sound more like B.S. artist who craves attention. there are many patent attorneys who would gladly help you and provide money to develop it if it was what you claim it to be.
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5th April 2007, 05:32 PM	#541
Iamme Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Wisconsin Posts: 4,583	Originally Posted by Dan O. What do you get if you have 2 dissimilar pieces of germanium in contact with each other and wires soldered to the opposite ends? I think this whole thread was a joke. But aside from post #17, where did Pro7 make any claim that could not be true? When I read the entire OP...the whole thing... I thought ...Joe Newman...revisited. But then I thought...hey, maybe this is an April Fools joke. So I went back to look. I am getting a kick out of you electrical engineer types grappling with the diodes and such stuff. It is obvious to anyone with just common sense, who does not understand anything more about electricty than how you get shocked in your house when you touch the metal corner bead...that you can't have an electrical run device run itself on the same elctriciity, or mechanical conversion of it, created from it being run. Alternators work in accomplishing what they do because they are driven by a much more powerful engine that only needs a teeny weeny fraction of that electrical power back, in order to create the spark which then in turn can blast the alternator around in circles again. Very different from his supposed made and working device which must consume the very energy that it is creating by at LEAST 100%. I just wish the guy didn't get suspended, (I wonder why?..dad rat it) as posts like this to me are like eating caviar...not that I ever have, but you know what I mean. ............... Sort of ironically...that new tv show called "Are you smarter than a 5th grader?", is on right now.
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5th April 2007, 07:08 PM	#542
bruto Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 7,053	Originally Posted by Iamme I just wish the guy didn't get suspended, (I wonder why?..dad rat it) as posts like this to me are like eating caviar...not that I ever have, but you know what I mean. It really is one of those threads that's hard to resist, isn't it? I suppose when Pro7 boasted about how he was getting away with using sock puppets, the next step was sort of predictable.
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5th April 2007, 07:29 PM	#543
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,126	Originally Posted by Dan O. Or you could just buy one here packaged with a convenient crank so you don't have to find a surface to run it on I thought (well, am darn sure) the OPer of this thread was a convenient crank.
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5th April 2007, 08:19 PM	#544
robinson Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 6,136	Really?