Iran War in Prophecy

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Hokulele

So, do I get the million.

And so the false prophet returns.

No the false prophets and they are MANY, are those that have been prophesying PEACE and SAFETY, and predicting the same, and gloating that they sit a queen and shall see no sorrow as spoken by their Babylonic Whore in Revelation 17.

They saying to each other...

Isa 30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

They want to hear smmoth things, deceits, lies not the truth that there shall be an Iranian War... it is a given... a no brainer, and yet they deny the obvious and the rational for they have eyes to see, and SEE NOT.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

No the false prophets and they are MANY, are those that have been prophesying PEACE and SAFETY, and predicting the same

Nope. Sorry--you're completely wrong. The false prophets are those who make prophecies that turn out to be false. Such as all of these doomsday prophets:

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

and some who recently said that the British military personnel would not be released by Iran and that this refusal to release them would trigger a war against Iran.

False means false, untrue, contrary to fact.

By the way, DJJ, ethical and moral people work toward peace. Your lust for war in hopes of fulfilling ridiculous biblical prophecies disgusts me. You should be ashamed.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

....but there will be a war.... and it will be severe this time, and it will be settled by a COVENANT. As everything in prophecy is geared to the signing of the Covenant.

It gets signed in 2009 from my research and leadings and guidings of the Lord.

And, if not? Your previous research and leadings and guidings of the Lord didn't help you very much then, did they?

[RenaissanceBiker]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

They want to hear smmoth things, deceits, lies not the truth that there shall be an Iranian War... it is a given... a no brainer, ...

... a slam-dunk?

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Yes, Cosmos, you aren;t much of a prophet...

Thanks for providing my morning chuckle.


A verse just for you:

Proverbs 16:18. Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

[Paulhoff]

All so-called prophets are false, end of story..............

Paul

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Yes, Cosmos, you aren;t much of a prophet...

Yes, like yourself, he made a prophecy that failed to come true.

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...but with all those air craft carriers in place, the US has to use them pretty quick.....

Why? The US has deployed carrier task forces during international crises many times in the past without going to war. These task forces are capable of very long deployments as well. Why does their presence require quick engagement?

[Cosmo]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Yes, Cosmos, you aren;t much of a prophet...

Is my name really that hard to spell?

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Yes, like yourself, he made a prophecy that failed to come true.

Yeah.

But I'm feeling confident; I got this great +1 intelligence ring and learned Clairvoyance at my last level up.

[RandFan]

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Tempers have nothing to do with such matters, calculations do.

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To reasonable people they have just about everything to do with such matters. This was supposed to be a flash point. The flash point is out. Dead. It's over. Nothing is coming of this. Nada. Zip. End of story. Now, if you are a CT type and buy that kind of crap then there is likely nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. If you are not speaking about prophesy then you really need to take this to the CT forum.

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Which makes any claim of refutation a sitting target.

Not to reasonable people.

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It's surely unreasonable to assume that a line has been drawn under the matter a day or two after the release. The US is still holding Iranian detainees without charge or consular access, after all.

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I'm really at a loss as to how you are putting these two incidents together. I realize you are not happy with the situation with the detainees and you most certainly have every right to criticize the United States. I'll join you on that but I don't see a reason to make something more out of this than is warranted. The fact that Americans are detaining prisoners during a war regardless of why is no reason to make any such links. If you want to start a thread in the CT forum or Politics I promise to respond. Otherwise your points are just saying that CT or Religious nuts can find justification for their lunacy. Well duh!

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But let's not drag our old Politics Forum habits over here, eh?

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This isn't about politics. It's about CT worthy BS. Yes, I see the smilie but if you are going to spout nonsense then I'm not going to just roll over.

I'm not the one making this into a B&M session against the US and finding a reason to bing up the detainees. If you really want to do that then take it to politics or take it to the CT forum.

Or, take a stand as to whether this is as Djj says it is or it is not. There really is no middle ground here.

[RandFan]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

The Iragui War was not caused by anything the Iraqui did, or Hussein did, it was a matter of grabbing the oil, and getting rid of another Muslim nation. The excuses were made and then WAR followed.

This is not at all relevant to anything that I have said.

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It is logical and rational to see because of preparations and the excuses about so called nuclear enrichment that the Iran is next on the list. Any grade schooler could predict another war in Iran, only false skeptics who love their governments and are totally blinded to their methods can;t see the writing on the wall.

Blah blah blah. This is non-responsive.

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Now that the soldiers have been released, another excuse has to be found to bring about war.

Oh, god, talk about post hoc. BTW, you really are letting CapelDodger down. He's sure you are going to stick to this idea.

In any event why were your "guidings" (whatever the hell that is) not able to alert you that this was not going to be the excuse you were looking for? Why did you bring it up at all? You are demonstrably a liar and a fraud.

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It gets signed in 2009 from my research and leadings and guidings of the Lord.

Sure. You bet. Take it up with CapelDodger. I doubt anyone else is buying it.

[dglas]

Djj, you are not "guided by the lord."
The voice inside your head is your own.
Seek professional help.

[Macoy]

i prophesied that toothbrush-mustachioed mugabe would be overthrown in a coup whilst he was abroad. Instead, they all all voted him "most likely to succeed".

my prophesies are as good as yours, dave.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by JoeTheJuggler

Nope. Sorry--you're completely wrong. The false prophets are those who make prophecies that turn out to be false. Such as all of these doomsday prophets:

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

and some who recently said that the British military personnel would not be released by Iran and that this refusal to release them would trigger a war against Iran.

False means false, untrue, contrary to fact.

By the way, DJJ, ethical and moral people work toward peace. Your lust for war in hopes of fulfilling ridiculous biblical prophecies disgusts me. You should be ashamed.

Peace for the peacemakers who have love, but those that are so naive as to believe the nationalism and lies of their government are bound to become false prophets of peace and believe that their governments and man's governments that are geared for war will bring them peace.

Only the Prince of peace will bring peace.

For even the Covenant that promises peace is short lived as America keeps starting wars until Russia (the vile AC country) has to stop her, and is justified.... this convincing the world that they should follow him.

So NO, I and true prophets and true peacemakers are NOT causing wars, this is done by the nationalistic and the materialistic.

You can not stop the Iranian War, you can not stop the COVENANT being signed....even if you think you are Joe the Juggler.

[Davidjayjordan]

The dumb and the ignorant and the naive... have been brainwashed into thinking they can change the future by getting enough of them together top vote out the rich and powerful from controlling their political institutions. This is total insanity, but they believe it anyway as it lets them believe in their minds they have a chance to change the future. This is their religion and their FAITH. Poor deceived souls, as the rich and powerful control political parties and ten second video clips can garner votes to keep their men in power.

Unless something goes wrong like a Kennedy trying to stop wars, and so they assiniate him.

And yet the dumb and naive believe the Warren report, and discount all conspiracies. And yet they keep writing in their ignorance as false skeptics and false prophets of peace.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

The dumb and the ignorant and the naive... have been brainwashed into thinking they can change the future by getting enough of them together top vote out the rich and powerful from controlling their political institutions. This is total insanity, but they believe it anyway as it lets them believe in their minds they have a chance to change the future. This is their religion and their FAITH. Poor deceived souls, as the rich and powerful control political parties and ten second video clips can garner votes to keep their men in power.

Unless something goes wrong like a Kennedy trying to stop wars, and so they assiniate him.

And yet the dumb and naive believe the Warren report, and discount all conspiracies. And yet they keep writing in their ignorance as false skeptics and false prophets of peace.

What does any of this have to do with your miscalculations? Only the dumb and ignorant and naive believe they will be fed by angels amongst the rocks of Petra while 2 prophets roam the streets of Jerusalem belching fire.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

The dumb and the ignorant and the naive... have been brainwashed into thinking they can change the future by getting enough of them together top vote out the rich and powerful from controlling their political institutions. This is total insanity, but they believe it anyway as it lets them believe in their minds they have a chance to change the future. This is their religion and their FAITH. Poor deceived souls, as the rich and powerful control political parties and ten second video clips can garner votes to keep their men in power.

Unless something goes wrong like a Kennedy trying to stop wars, and so they assiniate him.

And yet the dumb and naive believe the Warren report, and discount all conspiracies. And yet they keep writing in their ignorance as false skeptics and false prophets of peace.

The way you jump to conclusions you really should wear a helmet. I defy you to point to one example of someone on this thread confirming any of the accusations you've made in the above quote.

[pandamonk]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Only the Prince of peace will bring peace.

What if you wrong? What if the "Price of peace" is a fake, has deceived many, and will bring death and destruction to all?

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Björn Toulouse

Thanks for providing my morning chuckle.


A verse just for you:

Proverbs 16:18. Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Excellent verse Bjorn even though you have to apply it correctly to give it meaning.

yes the haughty proud nationalists and patriots of the governments they love and worship shall FALL, when their countries FALL. They thought their countries would be around for ever, and so they started war after war, thinking no one could stop them.

They said as Babylon the Whore kept saying, 'I sit a queen and shall see no sorrow.'

But their PRIDE and HAUGHTY SPIRIT, that allows them to maim and kill others shall bring them down, as the Lord always brings justice...ALWAYS.

Everyone and every country ALWAYS reaps what they personnally sow.

Thanks for the quote Bjorn, at least you are trying even though you haven;t learned to apply the Biblical truths yet.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

PRIDE and HAUGHTY SPIRIT

Hey - how 'bout them sailors, dawg?

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by pandamonk

What if you wrong? What if the "Price of peace" is a fake, has deceived many, and will bring death and destruction to all?

Even though you are not sincerely asking the question, Panda, still for the sake of others let me answer you.

YES, the Prince of the Covenant does come up with a comprehensive PEACE PLAN that stops the Iranian War, the Palestinian war as they have no homeland, and gives a military, economic, religious solution that brings temporary peace to the whole world.

THis COVENANT though is short lived as the AC arises and is against the Covenant, because America still goes on with its war despite the agreements.

He breaks the Covenant completely in order to stop America who is starting war after war after war..... to bring HIS PEACE to the whole world via His leadership thru a ONE world government.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ofBabylon.html

The price of Peace is your soul as you then have to pledge alligiance to his new government and rule and take HIS MARK.

So you better strengthen your conspiracy theories and KNOW how devoid governments are Panda, rather than accepting their lies. For greater lies are on the way if you have accepted their lesser ones. And if you value your life, you can be easily intimidatyed, as then it won;t be just peer pressure as HERE, but literal death if you don't take the MARK

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjor...ndFreedom.html

EXCERPT...

Fear of God, Bravery and Freedom of Speech

We are suppose to have respect unto the Lord and speak as unto the Lord. This we should be doing in whatever situation we are in, knowing that the Lord hears our every word, so we might as well speak accordingly and write accordingly. We need to be conscious of His sensitivity
concerning what we are saying, much more than the sensitivities of readers and listeners.

Yet, sometimes we should hold our tongue. We have to speak our truths from the Lord in due season in His Time. But with the majority of people, our main problem has always been NOT speaking up. Hiding the voice of the Lord, we hear in our hearts, and for safety and convenience sake and so as to not rock the boat, we kept SILENT.

We didn't speak when the Lord was telling us to speak and obey Him and His words. This is why so many abuses get out of hand, because ‘good people’ don’t say anything to stop the aggressors. They don’t stand up for others whose rights are being taken away so that eventually all of our rights are taken away. We didn't speak because we had a fear of man and position, when we were suppose to have a FEAR of the LORD.

So in my opinion, from how I read scriptures is that we have to be brave and say what we really feel. We have to obey the Lord first. We have to eventually say what has to be said because it doesn’t get easier with time, especially in the END-TIME.

If we blow it in personal matters and it turns out we were out of the Spirit, we can recant and be more humble and watch our tongue in the future. But we have to learn to give what the Lord gives us in obediance and bravery. We can't always hold back because if the Lord tells us to speak then we must obey Him first and foremost. That doesn’t mean, we all are suppose to becoming flaming prophets and prophetesses overnight, but it does mean we should be faithful to hear and obey the small still voice of the Holy Spirit. For this is the only way, the Holy Ghost or truth will teach us further. And besides we have to stick up for the oppressed and the hurting and the wounded.

Church people hold almost everything in and become unnatural and restricted and pent-up until they literally become subservient to every whim of a pastor or politician that comes along. But we can't be, in my opinion. If we are to be strong, we have to learn to, obey in words. There's a multitude of scriptures that can be copied concerning speaking in the FEAR of the Lord. It's not fear of a group, or a leader, but fear of the LORD.

This is primary and others are definitely secondary. We serve Him not a group or a group of people. We need to pray before speaking, but speak if spoken to by Him or by our consciences. Sure we need to control our tongues as people should read and reread about the judgments of God upon those that spoke out of place and were judged for it, but we still need to speak. For the Lord can judge our lack of words and actions as much as our false words and bad actions.

We ALL need a FEAR of God. It's healthy, it prevents rude, crude, and abusive behavior. For if one person speaks up in the Name of the Lord and in HIS LOVE and another speaks up, and then another, then this type of witnessing in the Spirit can actually prevent a whole group of Christians from going astray.

So in my opinion, Freedom of speech goes along with fear of the Lord and comes about because of Faith and therefore BRAVERY to speak.

Just a thought

IHS

Jay

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and
keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Isa 40:9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high
mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy
voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities
of Judah, Behold your God!

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered,
that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

Mat 10:27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and
what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able
to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy
both soul and body in hell.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Yes, like yourself, he made a prophecy that failed to come true.


Why? The US has deployed carrier task forces during international crises many times in the past without going to war. These task forces are capable of very long deployments as well. Why does their presence require quick engagement?

Eventually you have to pay the piper, and having all these forces in the gulf as a so called show of force... is diffcult to stay in place because of the economics of it all, the re-supplying etc. etc. They have to do what they have come to do.... start a war.

Wars make the rich military suppliers wealthier, and wealthier. The Iraq war has cost the American people something like 380 billion dollars in trying to destroy a whole country, and that money was paid mainly to the military contractors, and the Illumintai non-brethren make most of it. Wealth means power and so that more wealth and more dependancy on war as a means of keeping their number one industry going, they have to have another war. Study economics and warfare.

It takes time to assemble the forces to go to war. The ground forces are next door, and so all that is needed is the air force to drop the bombs on Iranian targets. Their exucse for using nuclear ones will be that it takes nuclear ones to get down deep wheere the Iranians have put their laboratories, storage etc... and BOOM we have a war with all the excuses in place as the forces are already in place.

Foster how can you be so NAIVE about such placements. Has false skepticism totally dissolved your common sense. Study history and human nature, and economics... then get back to us. Thanks

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

The way you jump to conclusions you really should wear a helmet. I defy you to point to one example of someone on this thread confirming any of the accusations you've made in the above quote.

Then Foster tell us all, whether you believe the Warren Report. Or will you evade the issue and say you don't know. Come on have some balls, make a decision. Do you believe in the magic bullet or NOT. Would a government really kill its own and not just others outside its boundaries. When you find this out, then you will understand about conspiracies. Sometimes a group will sacrifice one or many of their own for their greater goals and then blame that killing or killings on the other side.

Foster we have to get you from being so naive and dumb.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

YES, the Prince of the Covenant does come up with a comprehensive PEACE PLAN that stops the Iranian War, the Palestinian war as they have no homeland, and gives a military, economic, religious solution that brings temporary peace to the whole world.

THis COVENANT though is short lived as the AC arises and is against the Covenant, because America still goes on with its war despite the agreements.

He breaks the Covenant completely in order to stop America who is starting war after war after war..... to bring HIS PEACE to the whole world via His leadership thru a ONE world government.

This is not in the scripture so it is DJJ speculation, and we are all too familiar with the accuracy of those speculations. Actually DJJ might serve some use as a reverse barometer.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

You can not stop the Iranian War, you can not stop the COVENANT being signed

So again you've changed your prophecy. (There's a surprise.) You started off saying war in Iran was certain:

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They want to hear smmoth things, deceits, lies not the truth that there shall be an Iranian War... it is a given... a no brainer, and yet they deny the obvious and the rational for they have eyes to see, and SEE NOT.

You call me naive in working for peace in the actual real world where actual real people are killed, raped, maimed and impoverished by war, yet your take on current political affairs comes from writings that are thousands of years old.

So since the Prince of Peace is the only agency for peace, you can sit on your hands and play silly religious games and hope for war to fulfill your ridiculous prophecies. You must believe your god is a real sicko to prefer that sort of behavior to working for peace.

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....even if you think you are Joe the Juggler.

What the hell does that mean? I'm not so famous that someone would try to impersonate me.

You are a childish, babbling, delusional lunatic.

[Hokulele]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

YES, the Prince of the Covenant does come up with a comprehensive PEACE PLAN that stops the Iranian War, the Palestinian war as they have no homeland, and gives a military, economic, religious solution that brings temporary peace to the whole world.

THis COVENANT though is short lived as the AC arises and is against the Covenant, because America still goes on with its war despite the agreements.

(Bolding mine.) Not a very effective "Prince of Peas" is he? How can one claim to stop a war if the war is still going on? Add this to the extensive list of reasons why nobody on this thread believes anything you say.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Then Foster tell us all, whether you believe the Warren Report. Or will you evade the issue and say you don't know. Come on have some balls, make a decision. Do you believe in the magic bullet or NOT. Would a government really kill its own and not just others outside its boundaries. When you find this out, then you will understand about conspiracies. Sometimes a group will sacrifice one or many of their own for their greater goals and then blame that killing or killings on the other side.

Foster we have to get you from being so naive and dumb.

No, I doubt that the Warren Commission Report got it right. But I also strongly doubt that any of the popular conspiracy theories have got it right either. Unlike you, I am open to evidence. I am willing to change my position in the face of new evidence. I am not afraid to say "I don't know" and leave a matter open pending further evidence. Your assertion that everyone who criticizes your faulty claims must believe everything the "Big Bad Gubmint" tells them is ludicrous and, quite frankly, something you've pulled from your a** in an attempt to direct attention (ours and yours) away from the fatal flaws in your disorganized claims. You ask if I believe a government would kill its own. Ever heard of John Chivington? How about Joseph Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? You are a fool David. You have made claims that are riddled with errors. These errors have been repeatedly pointed out to you, yet you persistently refuse to acknowledge them. Even though the validity of your claims supposedly rides on the accuracy of these flawed calculations and erroneous "facts" you still maintain that your claims are self evident and undeniable. You have made a demonstrably false prophecy regarding the end times. You attempted to hide this failure by altering the dates involved. You continually accuse others of things that are based on absolutely no evidence. You claim to be learned in matters of science and history and often admonish us to educate ourselves in such subjects, yet you repeatedly make the most embarrassing errors that demonstrate your lack of knowledge in these fields of learning.

You can continue to call us naive and dumb if you like. In fact I'm sure you will because the alternative is to actually examine your own claims in the light of your own failures. But be assured, everyone else here is convinced that you are a fool, and we have evidence to support that assessment.

Why did you alter the dates of your end times prophecy David? If you can call me dumb for failing to accept your claims then I can call you an intellectual coward for ignoring this question.

[CapelDodger]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Excellent verse Bjorn even though you have to apply it correctly to give it meaning.

You wouldn't be so haughty as to appoint yourself arbiter of such correctness, would you? The verse warns you off such behaviour, I think rightly.

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yes the haughty proud nationalists and patriots of the governments they love and worship shall FALL, when their countries FALL.

What about the haughty proud believers in false religion when their religions fall? The verse applies to anybody that gets above themselves. From the evidene I've seen, this means you.

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They thought their countries would be around for ever, and so they started war after war, thinking no one could stop them.

Nor have they.

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They said as Babylon the Whore kept saying, 'I sit a queen and shall see no sorrow.'

That's another way of saying "It's Morning in America", I guess.

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But their PRIDE and HAUGHTY SPIRIT, that allows them to maim and kill others shall bring them down, as the Lord always brings justice...ALWAYS.

And when was this due again? Tell me it's not on a Glastonbury weekend.

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Everyone and every country ALWAYS reaps what they personnally sow.

A country isn't a person. It's more of a container object. One might say that people are a property of a country, and war is a method (geek-speak ). Reaping is what people do. If some punishment is visited on a country it affects all the people, even those who sowed none of it. Thus they, as individuals, reap what they haven't sown. Bad form, IMO.

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Thanks for the quote Bjorn, at least you are trying even though you haven;t learned to apply the Biblical truths yet.

There's that haughty and proud thing coming through again. You want to watch out for that, it can trip you up. I've always erred on the side of modesty and equivocation, which policy has served me well for over half a century. How old are you again?

[CapelDodger]

Originally Posted by RandFan

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To reasonable people they have just about everything to do with such matters. This was supposed to be a flash point. The flash point is out. Dead. It's over. Nothing is coming of this. Nada. Zip. End of story. Now, if you are a CT type and buy that kind of crap then there is likely nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. If you are not speaking about prophesy then you really need to take this to the CT forum.

Let's recall the point I've been making : that a prophet can and will wriggle about with hindsight, so talk of his failure so soon is premature. "Flash-point" is media-speak, history doesn't actually work that way. Wars don't start because somebody loses their temper, except on a very local scale. This incident is still reverberating through the UK media if nowhere else, doubtless all sorts of stuff in blogworld, a few years down the line you can attach significance to all the Google hits it gets.

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I'm really at a loss as to how you are putting these two incidents together. I realize you are not happy with the situation with the detainees and you most certainly have every right to criticize the United States. I'll join you on that but I don't see a reason to make something more out of this than is warranted. The fact that Americans are detaining prisoners during a war regardless of why is no reason to make any such links.

These are Iranian citizens given diplomatic recognition by the sovereign democratic government of Iraq taken prisoner and held incommunicado by the US inside Iraq, despite the protests of the Iraqi government ... How is this not going to feature in the prelude to a US-Iran war? It's kind of a sore point. Naturally comparisons will be made with the hysteria over white Christians held for a couple of weeks, especially by Iranians.

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If you want to start a thread in the CT forum or Politics I promise to respond. Otherwise your points are just saying that CT or Religious nuts can find justification for their lunacy. Well duh!

That is what I've always been saying. Declarations of disproven prophecy require cast-iron proof. In this particular case, I think they're premature. Only when the practical possibility of a US-Iran War is gone would I declare this one disproven. I'll expect to see carrier-groups moving away from the scene (nothing to see here, folks ...) before I'm convinced of that.

The world situation is very hard to read a the moment, but I reckon if there's no attack on Iran before November of this year there won't be a US-Iran War. Ever. I wouldn't stake my reputation on it, but I'd venture a pound of credibility .

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

No, I doubt that the Warren Commission Report got it right. But I also strongly doubt that any of the popular conspiracy theories have got it right either. Unlike you, I am open to evidence. I am willing to change my position in the face of new evidence. I am not afraid to say "I don't know" and leave a matter open pending further evidence. Your assertion that everyone who criticizes your faulty claims must believe everything the "Big Bad Gubmint" tells them is ludicrous and, quite frankly, something you've pulled from your a** in an attempt to direct attention (ours and yours) away from the fatal flaws in your disorganized claims. You ask if I believe a government would kill its own. Ever heard of John Chivington? How about Joseph Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? You are a fool David. .

No Foster you are a fool for not figuring out that the governments are the great conspirators and so you go along with thae false skepticvs that still want more and more evidence spoon fed to them. This is why you are cowards and spineless and will always side with the majority and the band wagon. You just lack courage and guts.

You have go along with the Warren report and any magic bullet explanation of the government take on things because you are afraid to go against the grain.

Cowardly is ther best description for false skeptics that never take a stand and always say they haven't got enough evidence. Even after years of confirmations that Kennedy wasn;t killed by Oswald.

But if you figured it out, you would know that the rich elite called the Illuminati, the military corporations that profit from war, have and will kill to start wars and don;t care who dies as long as they gain power. understand this and you will be part way in understanding prophecy.

[Davidjayjordan]

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Let's recall the point I've been making : that a prophet can and will wriggle about with hindsight, so talk of his failure so soon is premature. "Flash-point" is media-speak, history doesn't actually work that way. Wars don't start because somebody loses their temper, except on a very local scale. This incident is still reverberating through the UK media if nowhere else, doubtless all sorts of stuff in blogworld, a few years down the line you can attach significance to all the Google hits it gets.



These are Iranian citizens given diplomatic recognition by the sovereign democratic government of Iraq taken prisoner and held incommunicado by the US inside Iraq, despite the protests of the Iraqi government ... How is this not going to feature in the prelude to a US-Iran war? It's kind of a sore point. Naturally comparisons will be made with the hysteria over white Christians held for a couple of weeks, especially by Iranians.



That is what I've always been saying. Declarations of disproven prophecy require cast-iron proof. In this particular case, I think they're premature. Only when the practical possibility of a US-Iran War is gone would I declare this one disproven. I'll expect to see carrier-groups moving away from the scene (nothing to see here, folks ...) before I'm convinced of that.

The world situation is very hard to read a the moment, but I reckon if there's no attack on Iran before November of this year there won't be a US-Iran War. Ever. I wouldn't stake my reputation on it, but I'd venture a pound of credibility .

Dodger, you at least admit you are speculating, so I will not deem your specualtions prophecy or false prophecies of peace and safety.

For at least you are trying to sort out what's going on which is better than most.

But again consider the econmics of supply and timing in keeping troops and ships in place. For Yes, it might be as late as November when they start their war in Iran.

Most wars are started in the fall rather than inthe spring and summer in the Mid East. ground troops don't do well in the heat, and neither do planes and tanks etc...

But Bible prophecy or mine if you like.... shows that there will be a COVENANT, I saying that it gets signed nopt by nine coutnries but by ten.

It allows the building of the 3rd Jewish temple. These events can not be faked or evaded.

And to have a COVENANT, a cruisis has to happen to make all parties come together and supposedly negotiate. Hence the Iran War, as that is the next one.

Israel needs to get rid of Syria as well, so look for connections there, and then all Muslim countries will have been attacked and almost neutralised... so the gretater NWO order can then bring in their man, the A.C.

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

Israel needs to get rid of Syria as well, so look for connections there, and then all Muslim countries will have been attacked and almost neutralised... so the gretater NWO order can then bring in their man, the A.C.

You just don’t care how many innocent men, women and children get maimed or killed, do you, and you justify it in the name of a so-called god, you’re pathetic.

Paul

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

But again consider the econmics of supply and timing in keeping troops and ships in place. For Yes, it might be as late as November when they start their war in Iran.

Most wars are started in the fall rather than inthe spring and summer in the Mid East. ground troops don't do well in the heat, and neither do planes and tanks etc...

Yeah, carriers and summertime. Here's one from last year:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...iranstrike.htm


Remember, DJJ - you are not very good at this stuff. The only hope you have of getting it right is to repeat the same thing every day.

[edge]

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by edge

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

So you contradict yourself……….

Paul

[Cosmo]

Originally Posted by edge

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

It's the cookie monster, isn't it? He always knows exactly where the cookies are. It's gotta be the cookie monster.

[edge]

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

So you contradict yourself……….

Paul

Nope, I never told you when.

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by edge

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

Yes, maybe not the so-called date, but you said set and ready......

Paul

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan

No Foster you are a fool for not figuring out that the governments are the great conspirators and so you go along with thae false skepticvs that still want more and more evidence spoon fed to them. This is why you are cowards and spineless and will always side with the majority and the band wagon. You just lack courage and guts.

You are putting words in my mouth. I don't say what you want me to so you just pretend that I did. I happen to agree with Kissinger when he said that crooked politicians give the other ten percent a bad name.

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You have go along with the Warren report and any magic bullet explanation of the government take on things because you are afraid to go against the grain.

Did you not read where I stated that I don't buy the Warren Commission Report? Do you actually read anything? How can I be "afraid to go against the grain"? I'm an atheist for f*** sake! Last I checked atheists were not the status quo.

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Cowardly is ther best description for false skeptics that never take a stand and always say they haven't got enough evidence.

I noticed that you edited my final question from the quote in your reply. Why won't you answer this simple question? Why did you alter the dates concerning your end times prophecy? I answered your question. You can't call me a coward because you didn't like the answer. Why won't you answer my question. Even if you said "I was wrong. I thought I had found something significant but it turned out that I was mistaken" I could respect that. Real skeptics say that all the time. But instead you ignore the question, apparently hoping it will go away.

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Even after years of confirmations that Kennedy wasn;t killed by Oswald.

Now I defy you to find anywhere that I said Oswald killed Kennedy. You have no idea what my position on that matter is yet you assume, because you want to, that I maintain Oswald killed Kennedy. I am done with this issue. If you like you can start another thread in in the Conspiracy Theory forum.

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But if you figured it out, you would know that the rich elite called the Illuminati, the military corporations that profit from war, have and will kill to start wars and don;t care who dies as long as they gain power. understand this and you will be part way in understanding prophecy.

I understand one thing about prophecy. I understand that your end times prophecy failed.

[edge]

Originally Posted by Cosmo

It's the cookie monster, isn't it? He always knows exactly where the cookies are. It's gotta be the cookie monster.

Yes, yes it is.

As Edge turns away,
Oh brother.

[Björn Toulouse]

Originally Posted by edge

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

And that would be the Building Code Inspector?