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A count of JE's hits on Larry King Live
This came out of Clancie's Interesting JE Hits thread
I am doing a rough count of JE's hits on his 3 appearances on LKL. I believe those are the only complete transcripts of his work we have available. I did the first one last night, and it was pretty bad. Here is the reposting from the other thread http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/show...0&pagenumber=2 OK, it appears I am the only one who wants to analyze LKL readings to get the hit percentage Here it goes. I counted each guess as a guess, and counted strong hits, regular hits, weak hits and misses. Some I did not score, for reasons explained. This is not done with any science in mind, so feel free to rescore as you wish. I also did not analyze any reading in depth, although some are extremely curious for their resemblance to cold reading techniques I noticed following trends- almost every reading had - an initial thrown out at them - a number, 1-12 - badgering, asking them to write things down, repeating some guesses - some safe guesses- dead grandparents, general cancer -50/50 guesses -callers tended to tell JE who they wanted to connect with, but rarely got who they wanted -lots of platitudes - the dead ones are OK, etc. -lots of does this make sense or do you understand questions- very difficult to score those, as not sure if caller says yes to understanding or to a connection http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/10/lkl.00.html Reading one quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: We are back with John Edward. We will start including your phone calls. West Bloomfield, Michigan. Hello. CALLER: Hello. KING: Hi. CALLER: Yes, I would like to ask John what he can tell me about my father or my grandfather or even my grandmother who passed away. EDWARD: What's your first name? CALLER: My first name is Lisa. EDWARD: Lisa, besides the people that you talked about, if -- I want to let you know that I might not be able to connect with them. I might connect with other people. If you again just say yes or no, don't say anything else. The first thing to tell you is -- I know didn't you ask about this -- but they tell me to acknowledge a female figure that I would see as being like a contemporary to you, whether it be like a sister or a cousin but it's a female person that passed. I'm seeing this as being somebody who has got another name like yours, there has got to be another L-connection that comes up round you, that has got to be L- tied to this. I feel that this person passes either from breast cancer or a female type of cancer in some way. OK, that's No. 1. That's the first thing I'm being shown. I know this would be like a cousin on your dad's side of the family, or a cousin through the male, like your husband's side of the family. But there is a connection through a male from what are they showing me. And they're also talking about somebody who would be known as either Richard or Rich, because a big R-connection that comes up connected to you. Do you understand that? Where is the August connection for you? Somebody passed in August? CALLER: August? No. EDWARD: There is. There's either an anniversary on the eighth of a month or an anniversary in the eight month, August. But there is an eight connection, from what are they showing me. CALLER: Eight connection. EDWARD: Is there a father-in-law also who has passed? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Then you've got another father figure besides yours. CALLER: We do, OK. EDWARD: There's like another male figure that I would see as being above you, like a father, whether it be an uncle. It's not a grandfather, it's like a father figure. There is an eight-connection, like the eighth month August or the eighth of a month. There's a connection to a young female figure to your side that I would see as being like a sister, or a friend that is passed from female a female type of cancer. That is what's coming through to me. KING: Does any of that ring a bell? CALLER: No. I don't know. EDWARD: Write it down exactly as I said it. KING: You were wrong? Or... EDWARD: Absolutely. Absolutely could be that I was wrong. KING: Cross-connections. EDWARD: It could be totally that I was misinterpreting. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sitter tells JE she wants to connect with father or grandparents Guesses (some repeated several times): Sister figure (miss) Lname (miss) female type of cancer (miss) R connection (miss) August connection (miss) 8 connection (miss) father in law (miss) another father figure (weak hit) Overall impression:badgering the listener to write things down, repeating same guesses. Score: 8 guesses, one weak hit, 7 misses Reading two quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Denham, Massachusetts. Hello. CALLER: Hi, John. I would like to ask about my mother. EDWARD: OK, the first thing, again, just yes or no. KING: What is your name, by the way, sir? CALLER: My name is John as well. KING: Ok, John. EDWARD: John, how are you? CALLER: Great. EDWARD: The first thing that I'm going to tell you is I'm seeing boxes. Whenever I'm shown boxes it means that there's some type of move or some type of moving issue around someone. So I don't know if you just moved or if there's a pending move of some sort, but there is a move issue. Is there a brother figure for you here? CALLER: Brother figure? EDWARD: Where does the Lewis or the Louis or the L-name? CALLER: The L. I had a uncle that had died when I was a little kid. EDWARD: Is that connected to your mom's side of family? CALLER: He was her brother-in-law. EDWARD: Is there some type of fire connection to them also? CALLER: My grandfather was a firefighter. EDWARD: OK, he is also there? That is other side of the family, right? CALLER: No, my mother -- both grandfathers were firefighters. EDWARD: Your dad's father has passed. CALLER: Yes, he has. EDWARD: Because they're telling me it's the other side of the family. There is connection to either him having a son with him, or him having a younger male like a grandson also there, and they're telling me acknowledge the cancer to the chest. I don't know if somebody passed from lung cancer? But there's cancer all in here, understand that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Now isn't your birthday coming up? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Somebody like how just passed -- last week? CALLER: Yeah, my sister's was a day or two ago. EDWARD: That is not. It's next week. It's coming up like in a week. CALLER: My younger brother's is next week. EDWARD: And he's out of your state? CALLER: He is on -- no, he is in Massachusetts. EDWARD: Is he -- are you in that same state? CALLER: Yes, we are. EDWARD: There is somebody else out of that state or he's out of state now or there's an out-of-state connection, because they're talking about the out-of-state connection. KING: What can tell him about his father, though? EDWARD: I'm not -- all I can tell you is what's coming through. To me the whole message is to validate the fact that this is still connected. They are telling me... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller tells JE he wants to connect with his mother Guesses: -Boxes/move (not validated) -brother figure (not validated) -L name (weak hit- uncle) -mother's side of the family (Not sure if it was a hit. Caller said uncle was mother's brother in law, but that could mean he was his father's brother, so that would be a miss, or could be related to his mother in another manner. Not scoring this) -fire connection (hit, grandfather firefighter) -other side of the family for gandpa (miss, both of granfathers are firefighters) -dad's father passed (not scoring this- caller says both granfathers were firefighters, obviously both have passed) -son, younger male (not validated, although it could have been the previously mentioned uncle) -cancer to the chest (weak hit as general cancer that caller "understands") -caller's birthday (miss) -birthday of someone who passed(miss, although caller tried to fit future birthday to past birthday, and to his brother who is alive) -brother out of state (miss, brother in same state) -someone out of state (not validated) Overall impression- some very general hits (cancer) caller not connected with mother, caller tried to fit reading to himself Total score: 13 guesses 4 not validated 2 not scored 2 weak hits 1 hits 4 misses Reading 3 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Lost him, sorry. Trinidad, Colorado. Hello. CALLER: My question for John was that my sister comes to me through dreams sometimes and I was wondering is that how people communicate much through dreams. EDWARD: Absolutely. The No. 1 way that I find that people are able to make connections with their friends and relatives who have crossed over on their own, is usually in the dream state. And that is because that is the place where we kind of surrender and say, "OK, it is acceptable." Not every dream, though, that we have of somebody who crossed over is what I would consider a visit. So you really need to write those down. KING: OK. Do you have a question? Sorry, go ahead. CALLER: Well, my sister passed about six years ago, and I was just wondering if you could tell me anything. EDWARD: Where is -- sorry -- where does the K-name like Karen come up? CALLER: I don't know. EDWARD: Yes, you do. There is a C or a K connection directly to you or to this family, from what they are telling me. So it either means it's who they are -- put your sister on hold and think about your family. There is some type of C or K connection and they're also telling me to tell you 11, which either means that the 11th month November or the 11th of a month has some type of significance. And why are they showing me... CALLER: 11th month -- November is her birthday. EDWARD: Why is there a split family? Is there a split connection there? CALLER: Gosh. Well my dad's side and my mom's side, it's not that they are split, it is just that they are two totally different. EDWARD: No. No. There is a split. There is a split where like somebody was raised by somebody who is not -- like there's either a step situation or like an aunt... CALLER: Oh. My other sister is a lot older -- my other sister is a lot older than me and she's my half sister. EDWARD: And there's also a congratulations on the baby. Somebody is pregnant. CALLER: Dorothy. Dorothy is pregnant. She was my sister's best friend. EDWARD: Just that acknowledgement that comes up. They're telling me talk about Virginia. Where are you calling from? CALLER: From Colorado. EDWARD: That is not Virginia, but they're showing me the state of Virginia. So I don't know. CALLER: Virginia. My cousin living in Virginia now. I have been talking to her about a lot -- my sister a lot. EDWARD: Somebody there committed suicide. Like their actions brought about their own passing. Are you aware of that? CALLER: No, I'm not. EDWARD: OK, just remember I said this. Thank you for calling. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants an explanation about dream connection with her sister who passed 6 years ago Guesses: -K name (miss) -C or K name (not validated) -11 connection (weak hit, November birthday) -split family (miss) -step situation or an aunt (half sister, weak hit. I am scoring it weak because JE seriously broadened the scope) -pregnancy (friend is pregnant, hit) -Virginia (weak hit, cousin lives there) -suicide (miss) Overall impression- more badgering and generalities, but some hits. He is doing better with this one Total score 8 guesses 3 misses 1 not validated 3 weak hits 1 hit Reading 4 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And the caller is from Brooklyn, where Michael was born. Hello? CALLER: Hi there. KING: Hi. CALLER: I'm trying to connect with my aunt. EDWARD: OK. Can you put your aunt on hold for one second? CALLER: OK. EDWARD: Is there a grandfather for you also whose passed? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, that's her dad? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, and there is a Joseph connection to that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. And does he also have a son whose passed? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Yes, he does. Let's put it this way, there's a younger male energy directly connected to the grandfather. EDWARD: So either he has the younger brother whose -- there's two Joes? CALLER: Not that I know of. EDWARD: OK. There's two Joes from what they're showing. There's your grandfather whose got the connection to Joseph and there's another Joe that they want to me acknowledge. So whether it's Joanne or Josephine, I don't know, but there's two Joes. What's your aunt's extremely fast because they're talking about a very fast passing. Actually, specific? No. I mean, like, did somebody there who passed from either what I was see as being embolism or an aneurism or a very fast heart attack, like very, very fast. CALLER: An embolism. EDWARD: Like really fast. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. They're also making me feel like to acknowledge that there's some type of connection to the month of February or that somebody either was born in February or there's something about -- something big in February. CALLER: It's his wife's birthday. KING: Do they have anything to tell her? Usually, you tell her something that they're going to say. CALLER: She's also passed. EDWARD: Well, one of the things that they do, by validating this for me, is their way of saying that they're still connected. And I think for me being the, like I have to get the evidence, that this is their way of letting me that they're around. I do want to acknowledge that they're telling me -- is your mom still here? They telling me to acknowledge hello to your mom. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: All right, and I'm also supposed to talk about her knee and saying her knee's OK now. What's up with the knee? CALLER: She has a bad knee? EDWARD: But it's like better? CALLER: She has trouble walking. EDWARD: OK, and you made fun of your mom's knee? CALLER: No, I don't make fun of her. EDWARD: Yes, you do. They're telling me you make fun of your mom's knee. You were teasing her about her leg. You just did this. CALLER: I don't remember. EDWARD: OK, it happened at the younger female's party, where she was a having a hard time -- somebody's having a hard time getting into the room or getting into something and somebody was joking around about the person walking. This is their way of letting you know that they were around. But your aunt is fine and the people that I acknowledged are also there. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: All right, Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller trying to connect with aunt Guesses: -dead grandfather (hit) -aunt's dad (weak hit- he has 50/50 chance of getting it right) -Joseph connection (hit) -his son who passed (miss) -younger brother who passed (miss) -2 Joes (miss, and one example of cold reading tecniques. Names frequently repeat in families, it is a safe guess to say there are two of them. Oopsie...) -Joanne or Josephine (miss- now he would take any J name, male or female) -fast death, such as embolism, aneurism or heart attack (hit, although once again, broadened the field considerably) -February connection (weak hit, dead person's wife's birthday- who caller says also passed) -mom still alive (weak hit-another 50/50) -bad knee, now better ( this is interesting. Caller does not confirm, but repeats, so JE immediately says- it is now better, as caller did not validate. Caller then says she has trouble walking, but nothing about a knee- could be a hip or something else, and she has trouble, so it is not better. Not scoring this) -making fun of knee (miss) Started well with likely hits, then got worse, more badgering and guessing months. Total score 12 guesses 3 hits 3 weak hits 5 misses 1 not scored quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Hickory, North Carolina, hello. CALLER: Hello, John. EDWARD: Hey, how are you doing? CALLER: Good. EDWARD: Don't say anything. First I want to acknowledge, is there a Bill connected to you? CALLER: A Joe? EDWARD: No, a Billy or a Bill name? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Yes, there is. KING: No, don't like to John. There is. EDWARD: I'm sorry, as soon as I heard your voice, it was like boom. There was like a huge B connection in my head, which means either it's your or there's a B connection directly to you and that there's an older male figure. KING: Could be the next caller. EDWARD: Hold on, or that there's an older male figure passed whose also connected to you. So I don't know if it's your dad whose passed or it's an older male that's there, but this person passed and they had cancer. And it affected their brain or there's tumors to the head. CALLER: OK, that would've been my uncle. EDWARD: OK. Is that connected to your mom's side of the family? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, is mom still here? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. And there's some type of connection to B. There's got to be like a Billy or a B in there. CALLER: Betty. EDWARD: Or a Betty. Is that connected to that same person? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. I need to congratulate you on the uniform. So I don't know if you're doing something with the uniform or if there's like somebody whose just graduated in uniform or something, but there's like a uniform, like a cadet feeling that comes up in this family, just so you know. And they're also making me feel like your mom's mom must be there, because they've got the older female to her, whose also there. Does that make sense? CALLER: Yes, it does. EDWARD: OK. And they're also telling me to acknowledge that somebody's a double amputee. Somebody's missing -- or they're paralyzed in both legs. CALLER: That doesn't ring a bell. EDWARD: I'm sorry? CALLER: That doesn't ring a bell. EDWARD: OK, put it to that side of the family also. I'm sorry, as soon as I heard your voice, boom, that's what... KING: Do you have a question, sir? CALLER: Excuse me? KING: Do you have a question? CALLER: I just wanted to know if you could connect with my father, who passed away several years ago. EDWARD: In addition to what I said, I can only tell you that, and I'll say this, there's somebody there who either had cirhossis or there was somebody there who had severe liver disease. Do you understand that? CALLER: Uh-huh. That would be my uncle who had cancer. EDWARD: OK. CALLER: To the brain. EDWARD: And that's connected to your mom's side of the family, too, right? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: That's the same person? CALLER: Mm-hmm. EDWARD: Right. Those -- and I'm not connecting with your dad, I'm sorry. It doesn't mean that he's not OK. I just feel like, you know, these are the people that see us as their opportunity. This is a big deal with the whole cadet graduation thing. So I want you to remember that, OK? CALLER: OK. EDWARD: Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to connect with their father Guesses -Bill (miss- who does not know a Bill?) -older male who passed (weak hit) -cancer in the head (weak hit) -connected to mom's side (weak hit, another 50/50) -mom alive (weak hit, 50/50) -B name (weak hit- Betty, not Bill! These wacky transgendered dead people) -uniform (makes sense, weak hit) -older female (makes sense, weak hit) -double amputee (miss) -liver disease (weak hit- turns out to be the same uncle who had brain cancer. Wonder whether he had both, or if the caller is trying to make it fit) -mom's side (not scoring, that was already established) Impression- many weak general hits, once again not connected to the person they wanted to, more badgering Total score 11 guesses 2 misses 8 weak hits 1 not scored Reading (lost count of which number) Just the next one! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Virginia Beach, hello. CALLER: Hello Larry and John. John, can you communicate with my father to find out if he's happy with how our family is getting along without him? And what was the true date of his death? KING: You don't know the date of your father's death? CALLER: He was found deceased. KING: Oh. EDWARD: Well, let me just -- I'm going to start off in a unique area, which I think is important so the other people are going to want to hear this also. I don't know if -- I'm just going to say this. First and foremost, your -- your dad have a dog just passed? CALLER: A dog? EDWARD: Yes. CALLER: No, but he had a... EDWARD: OK, wait, wait. I just want to tell you there is a dog that is with your father because as soon as you started asking me the questions, I started getting the dog barking, which is a symbol to let me know that there's an animal or pet that's passed. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: And this would be something that I see as not, this is like an old pet, like 12 or 13-years-old and it's part of the family from what they're showing me. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: And I feel like was there before the father actually passed? CALLER: Right. EDWARD: They're also telling me to tell you that the 14th of a month is significant. So I don't know if there's a birthday or an anniversary on the 14th. And they're showing me the sign of Gemini, which either means that somebody is a twin or that somebody's actually the sign of Gemini. OK? That's No. 1. Your dad must have a sister or a female figure to his side, whose also there, that passed before him. Do you understand that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, and I feel like that would be somebody who would have met this person? And they're telling me acknowledge either Jimmy or Jeannie or Jenny or some type of name that sounds like that in connection with this family. And I'm thinking that there's a two day thing going on because there's a two day delay before somebody would've seen this person. Do you understand this? CALLER: OK. EDWARD: Did something see him two days before? CALLER: Yes, we all did. EDWARD: But like two days before? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. I feel like it's not -- it was probably right after the -- I don't know, I think it's within that two days that they're showing me. And I feel like I need to acknowledge not getting the cake. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: You haven't -- was he like diabetic or something where he wasn't allowed to have it? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Or wouldn't let him have the cake. Because I feel like I couldn't get the cake, whatever that means. CALLER: Right. EDWARD: There's also two wives. Was he married twice? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Was there a wife and a very significant friend? CALLER: No. EDWARD: OK, let's just put it this way, I've got two female energies that I feel like I need to acknowledge for this man. So whether it be two wives, two very close females, a sister and a friend. I have no idea what this is, but I know that there's an Elizabeth or Liz that's connected here. CALLER: That's my sister, Elizabeth. EDWARD: OK. This is just their way of acknowledging to me that they're connected to you. And please, I want you to understand that the first thing I got was the connection to the dog. Right, I wrote that down. And also, I don't know, you know had like a hernia in the stomach or something? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. This man was plagued with a lot of stuff, but I feel like there's like a throwing in the towel. So this was something he was ready to leave. Do you understand that? CALLER: Right, right. EDWARD: Do you have the book of poems or the book of poetry or the special book? CALLER: Yes, I don't know which book. EDWARD: OK, it's -- it to me, when I see this, it's a symbol. It either means it's like either a family bible, it's a family something. And inside this bible, there's either like the ribbon or there's like the picture or it's a pressed feather or a rose. It's something I feel like would be significant. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: I just know I feel like that this is their way of coming across. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to connect with her father and know when he died Guesses -dead dog (miss) -old pet (weak hit, caller says no on the dog, but starts saying he had something else) -number 14 ( not validated. unusual, most numbers he gave are 1-12, and could count as days or months or years) -Gemini (not validated) -female figure (weak hit, caller "understands") -Jimmy or Jenny (not validated) -2 day "thing"- seeing her father 2 days before he passed. (hit- he starts generally, and gets a decent hit) -not getting cake, diabetes (weak hit- old man, diabetes is common) -married twice (miss) -wife and significant friend (miss) -female energy, like a sister or a friend (not validated) -Elizabeth (hit, daughter) -hernia (hit) -special book (weak hit, caller has a book) -family bible, with ribbon or picture (Note caller says OK to that, while she said Yes to hits. Makes me think it was not a hit, but I do not know- not scoring it) Overall impression- decent general reading Total score 15 guesses 2 misses 5 weak hits 4 not validated 3 hits 1 not scored quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Thank you, ma'am. Mount Morris, Michigan, hello. CALLER: Hi, John. EDWARD: Hi, how are you? CALLER: I'm fine. How are you? EDWARD: I'm good. CALLER: I'm calling... EDWARD: Well, first of all, don't say anything. What's your first name? CALLER: Kathy. EDWARD: Hey, Kathy. The first thing -- there's two things I want to acknowledge, three things I want to acknowledge. One, I don't know if you have the son whose passed, but they're telling me to acknowledge a younger male or somebody who's lost a child around you. Do you understand that? CALLER: Hmm... EDWARD: Actually, this is a vehicle accident that somebody passed in. And it's like an impact that they're trying to show me. And it's directly connected to you. It's not for anybody else on hold or anybody else that's watching. It's something -- it's a younger male that passed and path is directly connected to you. And I feel like this is somebody who actually was driving. It was their fault. There's a J or a G name that's connected to this also. And they're telling me to also acknowledge the fact that separate from that, there was somebody who was murdered. CALLER: Wow, I'm not quite sure on that. EDWARD: OK, I want you to remember what I'm saying, OK? There's somebody who passed at the hands of somebody else. KING: Who are you calling about? CALLER: My mother. EDWARD: No, I'm not getting your mom. You've got somebody who's either, there's somebody, Kathy, there's somebody who's coming through who's acknowledging that they passed like either the husband or the boyfriend or somebody that they were connected to was involved in the past. This might've been going back a while. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: But it's directly connected to you. CALLER: OK, I had a car accident and I'm a paraplegic because of that car accident. EDWARD: That's not what was coming through though, unless somebody else in that accident passed? CALLER: No, nobody passed in that. EDWARD: No, that's not it. That's not the connection. The connection is that somebody connected to you, younger male, passed in a vehicle accident or with an impact of some sort. And there's a J or G connection to this. And there's also a connection that's separate from that, that somebody in your circle, that I feel like actually was murdered. Like somebody else caused their passing. And it's either like a friend's sister or a friend's girlfriend. It's connected to you in your circle. So I'm giving that to you. KING: You're not getting a mother at all? EDWARD: Not at all. CALLER: Not at all. EDWARD: Doesn't mean she's not OK, it just means that when I open up and I connect with somebody, they see this as their window of getting through and that's what happens. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to connect with mother Guesses -younger male (miss-caller seems to decline the whole thing that follows) -car accident, impact death (miss. Caller said she had a car accident herself, JE rejects that) -J & G name (miss) -driver connection (miss) -murder (miss) -husband/boyfriend (not validated) -friend's sister caused someone's passing (not validated) Bad reading, no hits at all. JE tried to get specific, and it did not work 7 guesses 5 misses 2 not validated quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Huber Heights, Ohio. Hello. CALLER: Hi, there. How are you this evening? KING: Fine. CALLER: How are you, John? EDWARD: I'm doing good. CALLER: This is Alma. EDWARD: How are you doing, Alma. CALLER: Pretty good. KING: What's the question, Alma? CALLER: I'd just like to see if I could communicate with my sister. EDWARD: There's two of them, right? CALLER: No, just one. EDWARD: No, there's two. KING: You're telling us there's two sisters when... EDWARD: I'm telling her that what I'm getting is that there are two energies as I would see as being two her side who have passed. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Which means that you've got like two sister figures who have crossed, correct? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. And there's like a Joyce connection to one of them or there's a J connection to one of them because I'm getting a J connection. And there's also somebody, somebody around you with Alzheimer's also or there was some type of connection that they were not of clear mind prior to their passing? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Are you aware of that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: There's also -- are you in a gambling community? CALLER: No. EDWARD: OK. Is there some type of like, somebody just win money? CALLER: No, maybe I will. EDWARD: No, no, no, they're referencing like some type of like gambling win. So I don't know if there's like a joke here, where somebody used to joke about, you know, winning the big lotto jackpot or winning bingo or something, but there's like a joke about that. And I'm also supposed to talk about your ring. I don't know if you have one of the sister's rings, but there's a connection to a piece of jewelry that's passed down. But it's got to more left hand related like wedding band or they want me to acknowledge somebody who I would see as having the wedding band connection, because they're bringing that up also. Is your dad also there, Alma? CALLER: Yes, he is. EDWARD: Is he the archery man? CALLER: An archery man? EDWARD: Is somebody play -- did somebody shoot with a bow and arrow or do some type of like archery? CALLER: Not that I know of. EDWARD: OK, that's a unique symbol for me. Somebody's doing like an archery thing, where there's some type of like archery connection. KING: Maybe it's Cupid. EDWARD: Like there's got to be like a bow and arrow connection. So I'm going to leave that with you, but I got that connected around that energy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to connect with her sister Guesses - 2 sisters (miss) - 2 sister figures (weak hit- he knows one sister is dead, and now there is a second energy- could be anybody) -J connection (not validated) -Alzheimers/senile (weak hit, another generality about old age and dead people) -gambling (miss) -did someone win money? (miss) -ring (not validated) -dead father (weak hit, 50/50) -archery (miss) Another bad reading. Badgering and trying to make 2 sisters (recall this is a common cold reading technique to say there is 2 of something they know there is one of- remember Rosemary Altea and 2 rosebushes) fit into two energies. Total score 9 guesses 4 misses 2 not validated 3 weak hits quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Thank you. Dublin, Georgia, hello. CALLER: Hi. KING: Hi. Go ahead. CALLER: Yes, I'm calling to see if I could communicate with my father. EDWARD: OK, the first thing I'm going to ask you -- I'm telling you. I'm getting an S name. Who's got the SH connection? CALLER: S name? EDWARD: Like S. KING: Like Sam. EDWARD: Like as in Sharon or Sherie. You know, what? I'm not connecting with you. This is not for you. I'm sorry. KING: You don't get any reading? EDWARD: It's not because I'm not with her. KING: No? Does that happen with some people? EDWARD: Absolutely. KING: And how do you explain it? EDWARD: Because I think it's somebody (INAUDIBLE). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to connect with father. Guesses -s name (miss) JE bails immediately, claiming not for this caller, after he does not get validation Total score 1 guess 1 miss quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Washington, Indiana, hello. CALLER: Hello. KING: Hi, who's Sherie? CALLER: Sherie? KING: OK, never mind. Little joke. Go ahead. What's your question? EDWARD: I'll do the reading. What's your first name? CALLER: Carol. EDWARD: How are you doing, Carol. Carol, who around you has the SH connection? CALLER: SH? EDWARD: Like Sharon, Sherie. CALLER: Sherum. EDWARD: Sherum. What is that? CALLER: That's my sister's last name. EDWARD: OK, is she still here? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, do you know if there's somebody younger in that family whose passed? CALLER: No. EDWARD: OK, let me say this, the person to tell you, there's a mom figure who's coming through. So I don't know if its your mom whose passed or if it's a mother-in-law. But there somebody who passed from congestive heart failure or they filled up with fluids. Do you understand that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, they're telling me acknowledge that the 18th of the month has some type of significance. Do you understand that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. They're also making me feel -- oh, your dad's there, too? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK, and they're also telling me to technology Charles or -- there's a C name. There's like a C connection to that side of the family. So between the father and the mother energy, they're telling me to acknowledge the SH in the family. And they're also making me feel like do you have cows? CALLER: Cows? EDWARD: Cows? CALLER: No, we don't. EDWARD: Was there some type of connection to the family? CALLER: No. EDWARD: OK, I want you to remember that I'm saying this, they're showing me cows. Now. KING: Maybe they drink a lot of milk. EDWARD: I come from the city, so bear with me with my reference. I think cows and I think Ben and Jerry's ice cream. So I think I need to talk about real cows, like as in milking the cows or owning the cows, but there's a reference to like living cows in some way. So cattle, in some reference. KING: I must say this, John. EDWARD: It's abstract. KING: You don't come up with everyday things, you know what I mean? The archery thing. That ain't out of the realm of the normal. CALLER: No, no. EDWARD: Just remember the cow thing. KING: Look up the cows, ma'am. If he tells you cows, there's cows. CALLER: I got questions. EDWARD: Go ahead. CALLER: Can you let me know if my husband's crossed over? EDWARD: See, I'm seeing it again. What's your first name? CALLER: Carol. EDWARD: Carol, I want you to really think... KING: You don't know if your husband died? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Carol, why is there -- they're showing me cows. Did someone in his family like something cattle-related? CALLER: No. EDWARD: Are you sure? There's cows. KING: Did your husband run off to the West? CALLER: No. EDWARD: There's cows. If they're showing me cattle and cows, there's a definite link. KING: OK, I got to take break. We'll check on that. Boy, you are really, OK. EDWARD: It's never dull in my world. KING: OK. Funny, now it's weird. I saw a zebra. It's crazy. We'll be back with our remaining moments right after this. Don't go away. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caller wants to know if her husband died. This is the weirdest reading so far. Guesses -SH connection (Hit! Sister's last name. Would have been more impressive if the rest of the reading was good, as we now think she is the person for who the energies were waiting for, not the prior caller.) -someone younger died (miss) -mom figure (weak hit) -heart failure( weak hit, another caller "understands") -18th of the month ( caller understands, again- not scoring this) -dead father (weak hit, 50/50) -C name (not validated) -cows (miss- entirely) Caller asks a direct question about whether her husband is dead or alive. Her parents can say 18th of the month, but they can't answer a simple yes/now question, they just tease her with cattle. Bizarre Total score 8 guesses 1 hit 2 misses 3 weak hits 1 not scored 1 not validated quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: You can now logon to our web site at www.cnn.com/larryking. You'll get the answer to King's quiz. And we'll go to Young, Washington with John Edward. Hello. CALLER: Hi. KING: Hi. CALLER: I was wondering if he can connect with my uncle. EDWARD: What's your first name? CALLER: Veronica. EDWARD: How are you doing, Veronica. CALLER: Hi. EDWARD: No, I can't connect with your uncle. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: Are you currently married? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Is there like a mother or an aunt figure on your husband's side of the family who just passed? CALLER: A mother or aunt figure? No. EDWARD: Yes, there is. Somebody on that side of the family, older female, recently passed or connected to the male in your life. CALLER: I don't think his mother and his... EDWARD: Where's the Helen connection? CALLER: The Helen? EDWARD: Uh-huh. CALLER: I'm not sure. EDWARD: Is he there with you? CALLER: He just went over next door to watch on the TV. EDWARD: He's watching me on the TV? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: So he's going to come running back going, "Yes, there is a Helen." CALLER: Oh wait, here he comes. Here he comes. Yes, he's running back over here. KING: Here he comes. CALLER: Do we have a Helen? His mother's side? EDWARD: Can you put him on? CALLER: Yes. Here. KING: What if he has girl named, you ruined his whole. EDWARD: Hi, what's your first name? CALLER: February 23. EDWARD: That's your first name? CALLER: Oh, Bobby. Bobby Adams. EDWARD: How are you doing, Bobby. CALLER: Good. EDWARD: Just stay focused with me here. What's the Helen or Ellen connection to your family? CALLER: Helen or Ellen? EDWARD: Uh-huh. CALLER: I'm not sure. EDWARD: OK, here's the deal. What's coming through, I was just talking to your wife, they're telling me to acknowledge that connected to your side of the family, there's an older female that I would see as being like a mom, like an aunt, older female, who has crossed. And they're making me feel like there's like a Helen, Ellen connection to that side of the family. And there's also the man that was known for either you went hunting with the person or there's the outdoorsy kind of thing going on there. Where's the hiker or the woods in the family? CALLER: Oh. EDWARD: Like lots of land, lots of trees, house in the middle. Where's that? CALLER: Oregon, I would think. EDWARD: Is that where they grew up? CALLER: My father and -- my mother grew up in Colorado. My father grew up in Texas. EDWARD: It's not Texas. CALLER: Texas or Oklahoma. EDWARD: It's not Texas. It's more of a woodsy, treesy area. Anyway, what's coming through is they're telling me to acknowledge two things. One, I don't know if you guys personally lost a child, but they're rocking a baby on the other side, which lets me know that there's an energy of a child that's there. CALLER: Oh, my older brother lost a baby during birth. EDWARD: OK, they're telling me to acknowledge the energy of the child who's there. They're also making me feel like there's either someone whose got a name that sounds like either Tyler or Taylor or a unique T name. OK? There's a unique connection to this, but they're telling me to -- the person to tell you is that there's a person or a Helen or an Ellen or a name that sounds like Eleanor like that to me, whose connected through you, whose there. And that's the person who's trying to come through. So I'm not getting the uncle. KING: Sorry we're out of time. Sorry we couldn't get to the other calls. John will of course return to his program. He is a regular guest and always welcome. I congratulate you on crossing over. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another interesting reading. Caller wants to connect with her uncle, but JE shoots that down immediately Guesses -mother or aunt on husband's side, recently passed (miss) -Helen (miss- a spectacular one at that- neither caller nor her husband can find a Helen or an Ellen. That avenue is abandoned entirely) -man, outodoorsy (Caller tries to validate but throwing out Oregon- except he did not grow up there. After some more guess a state games, that avenue is also abandoned) -energy of a child (hit, brother lost a child. Well, he exhausted mother, and father energies, there had to be a kid somewhere) -T name ( not validated) Impression- callers really, really tried, without much success Total score 5 guesses 3 misses 1 hit 1 not validated Totals for this LKL reading 97 guesses 38 misses=39.2% 10 hits (none spectacular, I might add) 10.3% 28 weak hits (usually safe guesses) 28.9% 15 not validated 15.5% 6 not scored 6.2% This comes out to 100.1 % ( I must have rounded wrong, but I am too sleepy to fix it). Not to mention the biggest miss of all- next day was 9/11/01, and the spirits kept showing him cows and archers. I think I was fairly generous, but this was a very quick and dirty count, and I am sure others will disagree with me. Not impressive. Not in the slightest. Usual cold reading techniques prevalent throughout, and the readings just kept getting worse. 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24th July 2003, 08:20 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/06/lkl.00.html
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Guesses -younger male (hit, brother) -blood disease (hit) -July connection (not validated) -Thomas or T name (hit) -connection with where caller grew up (hit) Total 5 guesses 4 hits 1 not validated
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Guesses -Ronald (hit, friend) -alive (weak hit, 50/50) -out of state (miss) -suicide, gunshot (miss) -two children/two pregnancies (not validated) Total 5 guesses 2 misses 1 weak hit 1 hit 1 not validated
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Guesses -older female, mother (hit) -Ellen or Helen (wonder if it is the same naughty Helen/Ellen from a year ago! not validated) -heart failure or pneumonia (not validated) -didn't see mother before death (emphatic miss) -massive infection (not validated) Total 5 guesses 1 hit 1 miss 3 not validated
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Guesses -Paul (hit, cousin) -his mother passed (hit) -dead dog (hit) -same time as her husband (not scoring this, caller told JE dog died when her husband did) -lots of comments about how close the dog and husband were (weak hit- pretty obvious stuff) -walking in a nighties outside (miss) -February connection (hit, birthday) Total score 7 guesses 4 hits 1 weak hit 1 miss 1 not scored
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Guesses -3 important dates close together (not validated) -lung cancer (weak hit, cancer very common) -tattoo or scar on chest (I am not scoring this, caller said he had surgery scars, seems an obvious thing to have with lung cancer) -June (miss) -12, 13th of June (not validated) -Laura, L name (not validated) -Travel over water (not validated) Total score 7 guesses 4 not validated 1 weak hit 1 miss 1 not scored
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Guesses -younger male (miss) -impact death (miss) -D name (not validated) -October (weak hit, a birthday) -friend connected with daughter (miss) -two marriages (weak hit- whose marriages?) -4 pregnancies (miss, although he tried making it fit) -brain tumor/aneurism (hit) -connected to family (not scoring, another caller "understands") -15, 16 of the month (not scoring, another caller "understands") -ease up on arguing (miss) Total score 11 guesses 5 misses 2 not scored 1 not validated 2 weak hits 1 hit
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Guesses -dead horse (miss) -cancer lower in body (weak hit, common illness) -mom's side of family (weak hit, 50/50) -Jane (hit, sister in law- common name, though) -older male (not validated) Total 5 guesses 1 miss 1 hit 2 weak hits 1 not validated
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-male to the side (weak hit) -older female (weak hit) -surgery to leg (weak hit, common procedure) -several procedures (not scoring, obvious derivation) -someone senile (we saw this in the other reading. Not scoring, caller "understands") -mother or sister in law nurse (miss) -police officer (miss) -uniform (weak hit, caller gets an uncle, who is living) -J name (miss) Total 9 guesses 4 weak hits 2 not scored 3 miss
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More phone difficulties, difficult to evaluate. Caller wants to connect to her mother Guesses -caller pregnant (miss) -someone preganant (very weak hit- possibility that someone may be..) -mother passed in last 2 years (hit) -by her or her husband's birthday (hit) -younger female (hit) -Abi, B name (not validated) -corn (hit, caller seems to validate it) -toe malformation (not validated) Total 8 Guesses 2 not validated 4 hits 1 miss 1 weak hit
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article from CSICOP... by Joe Nickell
http://www.csicop.org/sb/9809/i-files.html
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*18 readings *125(approx) statements or pseudostatements (ie questions) *4 times JE was unable to make contact or supply an answer *24 unverified statements *16 moot statements *41 misses *42 apparent hits (33.6% of 125) *of the apparent hits, there were: ---->34 weak hits ---->6 moderate hits ---->2 hits |
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24th July 2003, 11:20 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/28/lkl.00.html
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Guesses -mom or older female (weak hit) -February or number 2 (not validated) -dad also passed (weak hit) -2 dads (not validated) -lung cancer (weak hit. JE reads it for a man, caller makes it fit for her mother) -sewing, needlepoint (miss) -different state at time of death (not validated) Total 7 guesses 3 not validated 1 miss 3 weak hits
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Guesses -Donald Duck voice (miss. Caller tries to make it fit, JE rejects it) -gagged on a spoon (not validated) -J or G name (miss) -younger male (miss, caller tries to make it fit, but it is not J&G) -epileptic, tongue (not scoring this, caller already mentioned convulsions) Total 5 guesses 1 not validated 3 miss 1 not scored
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Guesses -Catholic priest (miss, caller is Lutheran) -Wrapped legs (weak hit, common with older people) -May (not validated) -caller baby of family (miss, her brother is) -uniform (weak hit, caller's husband. Very vague unform- could be anything) -husband close to her mother (not scoring, seems an obvious platitude) -Mary (weak hit, common name- roommate in nursing home) -Broken china, broken glass (bad miss- cold reading trick- could have been a great hit) Total 8 guesses 1 not validated 3 misses 3 weak hits 1 not scored
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Guesses -younger male (miss, caller tries to stetch to her uncle) -something happened to cause passing (miss) -impact death (miss) Total 3 guesses 3 misses
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-someone raised by grandmother or aunt (hit, sister raised by aunt) -mother- neurological thing (miss, mother died of heart attack) -neurological/neuromuscular disease (not validated) -aunt dead (miss, she is alive. One of those 50/50 things) -aunt lost somebody (too vague, not scoring) -R name (not validated) Total 6 guesses 2 not validated 1 not scored 2 miss 1 hit
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-older male,father (miss) -husband or brother (miss) -father in law (miss- a 50/50 guess) -throat cancer (grandfather, weak hit) -July (weak hit) -somebody moved (miss) -dead dog (not validated) Total 7 guesses 1 not validated 4 misses 2 weak hits
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Guesses -coming together in threes.(not scoring. Obviously, people know many dead people, why shouldn't they come in threes?) -grandparents passed close together (not validated) -candy canes (not validated) -son (miss) -young boy (miss) -11th or 12th of the month (number game again, not validated) -passed before her mom (not scoring- obvious from the fact that the caller had a step brother who was born to different mother, her mother must have died young) -stroke or cardiovascular (not validated, more general illness stuff) -some family members not talking (weak hit, her uncles don't speak) Total 9 guesses 2 not scoring 4 not validated 1 weak hit 2 miss
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24th July 2003, 11:52 PM
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Sorry Renata, I don't think you scored this reading correctly. I'm not sure about others...
Just so you know I'm not a believer in JE by any account but this reading is interesting. I'll count the hits/misses and add my comments from a neutral stand point then compare against your statistic for the said reading.
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Each and every reading Renata posted is a clear-cut case of cold reading. It's obvious and it's ridiculous.
Here's a small example: EDWARD: Well, let me just -- I'm going to start off in a unique area, which I think is important so the other people are going to want to hear this also. I don't know if -- I'm just going to say this. First and foremost, your -- your dad have a dog just passed? CALLER: A dog? EDWARD: Yes. CALLER: No, but he had a... EDWARD: OK, wait, wait. I just want to tell you there is a dog that is with your father because as soon as you started asking me the questions, I started getting the dog barking, which is a symbol to let me know that there's an animal or pet that's passed. CALLER: OK. EDWARD: And this would be something that I see as not, this is like an old pet, like 12 or 13-years-old and it's part of the family from what they're showing me. CALLER: OK. Many people have pets. Many people have pets who have died. What JE is good at is just getting enough information--"He had a dog" "No, but he had a--" "Ok wait, wait"--then it becomes a generic pet, he hears a "dog barking which is a symbol" which then becomes "an animal or pet that's passed." Also an old one that was "part of the family", so who the hell knows what it was or when it died. Also note that the caller never verified if it was a dog at all. He simply said "Ok." This is a prime example of cold reading. He's very good at it, but that's all it is. |
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I'd like to start by saying: Great work, Renata!
Now for reading .......... Hans |
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Re: A count of JE's hits on Larry King Live
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25th July 2003, 02:11 AM
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OK; read it.
You have done a lot of work here, Renata, thanks. I would say your scoring is very friendly. I noticed this: JE often ends something with the words "do you understand?", so caller says "yes". This will sound like a hit to some, and sometimes it may be a hit, but more often, the caller just acknowleges understanding the words. I was a little puzzled in the start of how he almost consistently refuses to talk about what the caller asks him, but it clearly isn't attactive for him to get in to an area full of specifics; the risk is too great. Looking through it, he almost invariably veers away as soon as things get specific. I think an interesting way to test this would be for some people to put themselves in the place of the callers. See how many hits you get. I noticed often getting nearly as many hits as the caller, except for names, of course. Hans |
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Excellent work, renata. I did something similar, though not in as much detail, a while back.
http://www.skepticreport.com/psychics/jeblues.htm My method is even more blunt, reliying on simply counting things as "hits" or "misses", and it served to compare Crossing Over to the unedited LKL transcripts I had. |
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Good job Renata - this is the most detailed one I've seen yet. I'm sure it will continue to be aswell.
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Whew!
That took a lot of time to read - so I edited them down a bit. What do you think about them now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALLER: Hi, Larry. Hi, John. EDWARD: Hi, how are you? CALLER: My name is Ron. I'm doing very well. We recently lost three family members pretty close in succession. I just wondered if you could make a connection? EDWARD: I know this is going to sound strange, but I say it as I get it, somebody is connected to you has a horse who passed, because they're showing me what I would see as not gambling horses, but like either horses on a farm or it's a reference to get me to that side of the family. And there's also a connection to somebody who passes who either had pancreatic or colon cancer? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: Somebody had cancer, lower in the body. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: It's that connection. Is this on your mom's side of the family, as well? CALLER: OK. EDWARD: Where's the Jane connection or Jeannie? CALLER: Jane would be sister-in-law. EDWARD: OK. Ask her. Because they're telling me to connect it either through either Janey or Jeannie. CALLER: OK? EDWARD: In that family, the older male must have passed as well, like the father figure there. Because they're telling me to acknowledge that somebody was at their wedding. So, somebody in that side of the family must have lost their dad before they got married. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KING: Peterborough, Ontario, for John Edward. Hello. Hello? CALLER: Hi, John? EDWARD: Hi, how are you? CALLER: I'm fine, thank you. I'm so happy to get through. EDWARD: OK. Let me tell that you that there's a congratulatory message of somebody being pregnant now. CALLER: OK. There's a possibility that somebody in my family may be. EDWARD: Yeah? It's going to be a big possibility, because they are. CALLER: OK. Great. EDWARD: I'm going to tell you also, did your mom pass -- your mom must have passed in the last two years? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: She either passed by her birthday or your dad's? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. I need to acknowledge that she has her daughter with her or she has a younger sister with her as well. But somebody lost a younger female that's connected to her. CALLER: Yes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CALLER: I'm just wondering what John could tell me? EDWARD: I'm only quiet for one reason and -- I'll just say it, they're telling me to acknowledge there's been an issue or there is an issue with somebody having an alcohol problem, do you understand that? CALLER: OK? EDWARD: You understand that? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: And that it's not in check completely? CALLER: OK? EDWARD: That's something -- you're one of three? CALLER: One of two. EDWARD: Well, they're telling me one of three. Do you know if they lost a child? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: OK. You're one of three. Whoever is giving me this information, there's somebody who passed -- they passed from like cardiac arrest. They died from a heart attack. CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: And also -- is that your dad? CALLER: Yes. EDWARD: He's telling me to acknowledge there's an Ed that's with him. There's somebody who passed either right after surgery, or a procedure was done and the person then crossed. Do you understand that? CALLER: I think so. EDWARD: There's like a medical procedure and then the person passes. It's not your dad, but somebody else that would be with him. They're telling me to acknowledge Florida. Where are you from? CALLER: I'm from Pennsylvania. EDWARD: What's the Florida connection to the family? CALLER: My grandfather used to go to Florida half-year. EDWARD: Is that on your mom's side, though? CALLER: Yes. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Clancie's excuse is that Larry King's bad breath disrupted his powers...
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25th July 2003, 08:50 AM
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Great post renata! I'm sure a lot of effort went into it.
It's all pathetic though. It breaks my heart that a well-watched show like Larry King Live gives credence to this douche-bag. I have sat through a few Sci-Fi shows of JE. My eyes glaze over ever time he tells callers/audience to only answer "yes or no". They always provide fodder for his "cold readings". The shear arrogance of JE berating them when they say that they have no idea what JE is talking about is pathetic. When some of his subjects break down in tears, it's time to switch channels. Charlie (that's entertainment!) Monoxide |
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Clancie's excuse is that Larry King's bad breath disrupted his powers...
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26th July 2003, 11:00 AM
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I've seen JE's work enough...and plenty of follow-ups...to learn that what appears to be a great hit really isn't once we get the details from the sitter. In this case, the sitter very well could have just said yes simply because she does talk to the dead person's picture and just ignored the kitchen part. And I think that talking to a dead person's picture can't be very unusual; I do it all the time. Renata, nice job. I've always thought JE stinks on LKL which is one of the reasons I started to doubt his claims. |
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Well, the kitchen certainly seemed interesting to me but as you put it, it doesn't mean he got a hit. Although using what I had I had to score it as a good hit.
However if you take a look at the reading I quoted I pointed out he becomes very vague and confusing, seemingly throwing the sitter right off - the sitter doesn't know what he's talking about so he or she just agrees it seems. In light of this, the kitchen seems like a lucky hit while the rest is clear cut cold reading.
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29th July 2003, 04:03 PM
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Great work Renata. You know what I'd like to see at this point. Regardless of their opinions of his seminars and of CO, I'd like to see believers acknowledge that these transcripts fit perfectly well within the confines of cold-reading and guesswork. They do, its impossible to deny in my mind if you're reading them with a critical eye. Until they post transcripts of seminars or special hits, I think they have to at least acknowledge these transcripts are cold reading, or at the very least, incredibly similar to cold reading. I become even less impressed with JE's abilities.
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29th July 2003, 05:59 PM
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A lot of work, Renata -- take a cookie out of petty cash.
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29th July 2003, 06:33 PM
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Well that turned into a long read ;-) - interesting stuff.
I think JE actually deserves some respect as he clearly demonstrates how difficult cold reading actually is yet he never gives up and persists. Though this is by telephone and thus it's harder to read the sitters reaction (non verbal) hence I would assume worse hit rates. Originally I had some serious doubts about mediumship and the self proffessed king of it seems to be simply cold reading - badly. Thanks for that renata, we have multiple examples of cold reading here - but as we have seen all he has to do is get lucky once and a while for the believers to reinforce their belief and parade it around as proof. See the one or two examples of really impressive hits - if you throw enough darts you'll hit bullseye at some point. If just one of the above reading was good then all the rest would suddenly not exist at all ;-) I'm in the UK and see little of JE but I was under the impression that his readings were impressive, well i'd hate to see a poor medium, what do they do tell the sitter they are really dead, yet when they point out that they are actually alive they will insist that they are and should check after the show? Ta again Renata, though all the believers will conveniently "forgive and forget this" and wait for the next lucky hit (thats what its looking like now anyway). AlienX |
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Voidx, will you settle for that statement from a former believer? I will always remember September 6, 2003 as the day my belief in JE started to decline. The reason? I watched his performance on LKL and realized for the first time that his work resembled everything I had learned about cold reading with absolutely no exceptions.
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30th July 2003, 09:18 AM
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Tote up the number of times a fair amount of information is given by the caller before anything else happens:
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One thing which bothers me is the type of hits and misses we get.
Sometimes they are very specific indeed and do look good when taken out of context of the fact that most of the info is either vague wild misses or searching questions. The thing which stands out for me is the fact that normally a specific is backed by a general. He seems to try a specific then expand upon it prior to any feedback - so hell say stulff like -- lung cancer then cancer then a desease, so that's covering the bases in my book if someone died before their time and it's not an accident. Yes I will admit that if he does what he says he can then maybe it's difficult but it still just smacks of playing percentages. If my first couple of specific guesses are wide of the mark then hopefully my really wide general will cover it - if not then i'll change tack or the worst of it tell the "sitter" they are wrong? I just don't get it when he's all vague about stuff then very specific about stuff that can't be validated, for example saying things like it's definitely not your Dad etc - everything else seems so confused and vague how can he be so sure about things like this? No the more I look at this and think about it the more I am unable to justify JE's claims at all. It's cold reading - I don't see anything anywhere in these examples of anything but. How can you compare the few "readings" done by a novice cold reader to a specific selection from what distinctly appears to be a proffessional cold reader (if he cold reads then you can expect he will also cheat and hot read). Another thing which is wierd is that fact that the JE fans seem to flock to threads that relate to a specific good reading - presented with multiple examples accross the board they don't wan't to know? - it's not a thread saying JE is a fraud it simply presents the data - yes it's interpreted but you would expect at least a challenge to that. AlienX |
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5th August 2003, 04:28 AM
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Try posting a single out of context hit... now that gets the believers jumping around and posting.
They wisely chose to ignore this post and obviously decided to not feed the fire, why bump the post the quicker it vanishes the better - out of sight out of mind so to speak. The believers are simply too closed minded to entertain the possibility that he's a fraud, when presented with raw data.. well as you can see this very good thread goes totally ignored. There is little for them to complain about as all you have done is post the transcripts and it gives a basically balanced view. The only way to ensure responses is to post flawed arguments that allows people to respond and point out the flaws. It's either that or verbally attack someone specific enough to annoy them into posting. Remember logic and reasoning are not used by these people, you can't be logical or reasonable and expect any form of response - they don't understand it. AlienX |
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So, they refuse to even entertain the idea that JE could be wrong. Sure, they pay lip service, but as we have seen here, nothing - and I really mean nothing - will sway them. Their own argumentation is full of holes and their evidence non-existent. They demand that others prove them wrong, and when that happens, they simply ignore the evidence, move the goal posts, divert attention to other issues, and shift the onus of evidence to skeptics. Nothing will sway them. It is absolutely fascinating to observe. |
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Re: Re: A count of JE's hits on Larry King Live
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A 795 B 253 C 532 D 625 E 253 F 146 G 338 H 247 I 177 J 896 K 350 L 262 M 719 N 239 O 42 P 573 Q 4 R 611 S 642 T 214 U 9 V 85 W 186 X 14 Y 72 Z 19 If you take the letters Z, X, Y, U, O and Q collectively it comes to 160 incidences or 1.92%. Therefore, I would expect JE to start with "I am getting a (Z, X, Y, U, O or Q) in approximately 1 in 50 readings. Is this borne out in reality? If you also include V the percentage increases to 2.95% or roughly 1 in 34 readings. If anyone can be bothered to have a look through any available transcripts it might be quite revealing. |
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Wow! Thanks Renata for a through analysis of the LKL transcripts. I too note the dearth of believers posting to this thread. I think the LKL transcripts are quite revealing.
Believers, why are the CO and LKL transcripts so different in how effective JE is? Is this not a strong indication that JE is cold-reading on LKL? Or are his skills reduced for some reason? Does he address this in any of his books? Lurker |
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