T-Rex - The Terrible Coconut Eater

Ex-drone · 29th March 2007, 05:24 AM

From AlterNet.org:

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In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles. Two life-size figures of children with long black hair and in buckskin clothes play in the stream a few feet from two towering Tyrannosaurus Rex models that can move and roar. The museum, which cost $25 million to build and has a sea of black asphalt parking lots for school buses, has a scale model of Noah's ark that shows how Noah solved the problem of fitting dinosaurs into the three levels of the vessel--he loaded only baby dinosaurs. And on the wooden model, infant dinosaurs cavort with horses, giraffes, hippopotamuses, penguins and bears. There is an elaborate display of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve, naked but strategically positioned so as not to display breasts or genitals, swim in a river as giant dinosaurs and lizards roam the banks.

Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters. The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb" to every creature to eat. There were no predators. T-Rex had such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts. Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did the dinosaurs start to eat flesh. And Adam's sin is a key component of the belief system, for in the eyes of many creationists, in order for Jesus' death to be meaningful it had to atone for Adam's first sin.

So why do creationists have a problem with the concept of exaptation?

ceo_esq · 29th March 2007, 09:14 AM

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The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb" to every creature to eat.

I think God's been giving "green herb" to the people who run that museum.

Charlie Monoxide · 29th March 2007, 09:45 AM

Is there a word or phrase that means the opposite of "Occam's Razor?"?

This what I think about when I see how the creationists justify their beliefs.

Charlie (6500 year old dinosaur) Monoxide

RenaissanceBiker · 29th March 2007, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Monoxide

Is there a word or phrase that means the opposite of "Occam's Razor?"?

How about, "Abraham's Hammer."

Orangutan · 29th March 2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Monoxide

Is there a word or phrase that means the opposite of "Occam's Razor?"?

That question deserves a thread of its own...

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2472638

Piscivore · 29th March 2007, 10:43 AM

A JW once tried to sell me the idea that Rex's dentition was "perfectly" designed to scrape bark off trees. until I showed her a photograph and pointed out the striations on the tooth and asked her to compare them to a wood chisel and a steak knife.

She left without offering an opinion.

FenrisWolf · 29th March 2007, 10:47 AM

I know dinosaurs lived with humans, because I saw on the Flintstones how Fred uses one at work as a crane. Duh, scientists don't even watch TV or they'd know better!

ChristineR · 29th March 2007, 12:28 PM

God made coconuts hard to open because he anticipated that T-rex would be chasing Adam and Eve, and He wanted to slow the lizard down.

grayman · 29th March 2007, 01:33 PM

But what about pineapples?

Beerina · 29th March 2007, 02:14 PM

Ok, I give. Nie Trink Wasser's avatar was convicted?

grayman · 29th March 2007, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

Ok, I give. Nie Trink Wasser's avatar was convicted?

Dunno, ask HeyLeroy.

chance · 29th March 2007, 02:36 PM

TyrannoCocosNucifera-rex, perhaps?

Magyar · 29th March 2007, 03:03 PM

MY question would be, WHY were dinosaurs kicked out of paradise in the first place?
I mean I know that people were for the whole apple thing, but what did poor old T-Rex have to do with that? and how is the punishment for poor old Rex fit the crime? and he didn't even get wisdom out of the deal. All and all it seems to me that an innocent man err, dinosaur got the shaft from the great big sky daddy.

grayman · 29th March 2007, 03:35 PM

Richard Dawkins vs Liberty U's "6,000 yr old Dinosaur Bones"

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grayman · 29th March 2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Magyar

MY question would be, WHY were dinosaurs kicked out of paradise in the first place?

For starting this?:

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Sorry, I had to put this up again. It's a favorite of mine.

Babylon Sister · 29th March 2007, 05:19 PM

I liked it.

darnell11 · 29th March 2007, 06:35 PM

Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey)

fuelair · 29th March 2007, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by ceo_esq

I think God's been giving "green herb" to the people who run that museum.

Well , someone certainly has!

fuelair · 29th March 2007, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by darnell11

Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey)

Silly consistency person!!

ChristineR · 29th March 2007, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by darnell11

Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey)

Creationists don't agree on the dinos in the ark question. Some think they went extinct in the flood, some think they went extinct after the flood. That's what happens when you argue without evidence.

Kopji · 30th March 2007, 01:21 AM

The thought of T-Rex's sitting around by the ocean breaking open coconuts and scooping out breakfast with their cute little arms and hands makes me giggle. They really teach that? It seems to violate an unwritten rule that you should not believe in anything so silly it makes people laugh before you get to passing the offering plate.

The Great Hairy One · 30th March 2007, 03:07 AM

I gave up arguing with the guys from AIG ages ago. Facts just do not seem to penetrate their wooden skulls.

Although it was interesting to read about the split between the US and Aussie factions last year.

Cheers,
TGHO

Madalch · 30th March 2007, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by darnell11

Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say.

When I was young and stupid, I read a book called (IIRC) The Great Dinosaur Mistake, which argued that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark, and that all the dinosaurs were hunted to extinction shortly after the floodwaters receded. I mean, Noah had to get a steak somewhere, right?

The saddest thing is, I bought the book in a college bookstore.

Beerina · 31st March 2007, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChristineR

Creationists don't agree on the dinos in the ark question. Some think they went extinct in the flood, some think they went extinct after the flood. That's what happens when you argue without evidence.

You forgot about the third faction who believes the dinosaur bones are plants by the devil.

29th March 2007, 05:24 AM	#1
Ex-drone Student Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 41	T-Rex - The Terrible Coconut Eater From AlterNet.org: Quote: In the middle of the lobby of the 50,000-square-foot Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., a 20-foot waterfall tumbles. Two life-size figures of children with long black hair and in buckskin clothes play in the stream a few feet from two towering Tyrannosaurus Rex models that can move and roar. The museum, which cost $25 million to build and has a sea of black asphalt parking lots for school buses, has a scale model of Noah's ark that shows how Noah solved the problem of fitting dinosaurs into the three levels of the vessel--he loaded only baby dinosaurs. And on the wooden model, infant dinosaurs cavort with horses, giraffes, hippopotamuses, penguins and bears. There is an elaborate display of the Garden of Eden, where Adam and Eve, naked but strategically positioned so as not to display breasts or genitals, swim in a river as giant dinosaurs and lizards roam the banks. Before Adam and Eve were expelled from paradise, museum visitors are told, all of the dinosaurs were peaceable plant-eaters. The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb" to every creature to eat. There were no predators. T-Rex had such big teeth, the museum explains, so it could open coconuts. Only after Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out of paradise did the dinosaurs start to eat flesh. And Adam's sin is a key component of the belief system, for in the eyes of many creationists, in order for Jesus' death to be meaningful it had to atone for Adam's first sin. So why do creationists have a problem with the concept of exaptation?

29th March 2007, 09:14 AM	#2
ceo_esq Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,940	Quote: The evidence is found in Genesis 1:30, where God gives "green herb" to every creature to eat. I think God's been giving "green herb" to the people who run that museum.
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29th March 2007, 09:45 AM	#3
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29th March 2007, 10:12 AM	#4
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29th March 2007, 10:43 AM	#6
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,484	A JW once tried to sell me the idea that Rex's dentition was "perfectly" designed to scrape bark off trees. until I showed her a photograph and pointed out the striations on the tooth and asked her to compare them to a wood chisel and a steak knife. She left without offering an opinion.
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29th March 2007, 10:22 AM	#5
Orangutan Graduate Poster Tagger Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida. Posts: 1,175	Originally Posted by Charlie Monoxide Is there a word or phrase that means the opposite of "Occam's Razor?"? That question deserves a thread of its own... http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2472638

29th March 2007, 10:47 AM	#7
FenrisWolf Scholar Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 60	I know dinosaurs lived with humans, because I saw on the Flintstones how Fred uses one at work as a crane. Duh, scientists don't even watch TV or they'd know better!
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29th March 2007, 12:28 PM	#8
ChristineR Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,189	God made coconuts hard to open because he anticipated that T-rex would be chasing Adam and Eve, and He wanted to slow the lizard down.
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29th March 2007, 01:33 PM	#9
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29th March 2007, 02:19 PM	#11
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	Originally Posted by Beerina Ok, I give. Nie Trink Wasser's avatar was convicted? Dunno, ask HeyLeroy.
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29th March 2007, 02:36 PM	#12
chance Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 431	TyrannoCocosNucifera-rex, perhaps?
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29th March 2007, 03:03 PM	#13
Magyar Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the edge of reason Posts: 1,548	MY question would be, WHY were dinosaurs kicked out of paradise in the first place? I mean I know that people were for the whole apple thing, but what did poor old T-Rex have to do with that? and how is the punishment for poor old Rex fit the crime? and he didn't even get wisdom out of the deal. All and all it seems to me that an innocent man err, dinosaur got the shaft from the great big sky daddy.
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29th March 2007, 06:35 PM	#17
darnell11 Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 136	Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey)
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29th March 2007, 07:59 PM	#18
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by ceo_esq I think God's been giving "green herb" to the people who run that museum. Well , someone certainly has!
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29th March 2007, 08:00 PM	#19
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by darnell11 Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey) Silly consistency person!!
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29th March 2007, 08:06 PM	#20
ChristineR Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,189	Originally Posted by darnell11 Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. ( I think a giant asteroid from outerspace killed them way before we were here, but hey) Creationists don't agree on the dinos in the ark question. Some think they went extinct in the flood, some think they went extinct after the flood. That's what happens when you argue without evidence.
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30th March 2007, 01:21 AM	#21
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,697	The thought of T-Rex's sitting around by the ocean breaking open coconuts and scooping out breakfast with their cute little arms and hands makes me giggle. They really teach that? It seems to violate an unwritten rule that you should not believe in anything so silly it makes people laugh before you get to passing the offering plate.

30th March 2007, 03:07 AM	#22
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30th March 2007, 12:13 PM	#23
Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The wet coast. Posts: 8,706	Originally Posted by darnell11 Ok, I'm confused. I thought that the dinosaurs, according to the creationists, were killed in the flood. So why then do they explain how Noah put them in the ark? If he did that, then wouldn't they still be here today? I mean, if the flood didn't kill them, then how to they say they died? Maybe I'm missing something, if someone knows please say. When I was young and stupid, I read a book called (IIRC) The Great Dinosaur Mistake, which argued that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark, and that all the dinosaurs were hunted to extinction shortly after the floodwaters receded. I mean, Noah had to get a steak somewhere, right? The saddest thing is, I bought the book in a college bookstore.
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31st March 2007, 08:14 PM	#24
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: A floating island above the clouds Posts: 23,835	Originally Posted by ChristineR Creationists don't agree on the dinos in the ark question. Some think they went extinct in the flood, some think they went extinct after the flood. That's what happens when you argue without evidence. You forgot about the third faction who believes the dinosaur bones are plants by the devil.
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