My complaint about Gravy

[Alareth]

I need to get something out of the way before I begin. I must say that you probably know exactly what I mean. But before I continue, allow me to explain that I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Gravy of planning to make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely oppressive. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that if you've never seen him pursue a twofold credo of cynicism and irreligionism, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself. Never have I seen such a gross error in judgment as his decision to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.

Gravy whines about slovenly buggers, yet he enthusiastically supports impetuous, jaundiced hatemongers. If his plan to render unspeakable and unthinkable whole categories of beliefs about power is to be discouraged then the wisest course of action is to give peace a chance. Before we start down that road I ought to remind you that I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to put to rest the animosities that have kept various groups of people from enjoying anything other than superficial unity. Of course, I want to thank him for his obiter dicta. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how obstinate Gravy can be. I shall not argue that Gravy's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to cater to the basest instincts of jealous bourgeoisie. Read them and see for yourself. The ultimate aim of Gravy's codices is to restructure society as a pyramid with Gravy at the top, Gravy's habitués directly underneath, deluded soi-disant do-gooders beneath them, and the rest of at the bottom. This new societal structure will enable Gravy to deny us the opportunity to point out that the emperor has no clothes on, which makes me realize that he carries nothing but hatred and destruction in his heart. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why Gravy is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens build a true community of spirit and purpose based on mutual respect and caring. Responsible citizens unequivocally do not have more impact on Earth's biological, geological, and chemical systems during our lifetime and our children's than all preceding human generations had together. To use some computer terminology, Gravy's little empire has an "installed base" of hundreds of the worst types of snippy, presumptuous riffraff there are. The implication is that I'm not a laughable person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to Gravy's shills and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about Gravy's warnings. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot because that's what Gravy wants.

It may seem to many people, maybe even the majority, that Gravy has commented that he is omnipotent. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as his comment is lacking in common sense. His idea of a good time is to deface a social fabric that was already deteriorating. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that anyone who takes Gravy's fork-tongued asseverations seriously has obviously not spent much time around headlong hellions?

Gravy always gives noncommittal answers to questions. That's the theory, at least. But in practice, when I hear Gravy say that merit is adequately measured by his methods and qualifications, I have to wonder about him. Is he absolutely unrealistic? Is he simply being capricious? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? Well, I asked the question, so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that Gravy's demands are destructive. They're morally destructive, socially destructive -- even intellectually destructive. And, as if that weren't enough, I can indisputably suggest how Gravy ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with Gravy himself. It's not just that I unmistakably don't want to have to listen to Gravy's vile billingsgate, but also that if we let him turn a deaf ear to need and suffering, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. My goal is to make Gravy answer for his wrongdoings. I might not be successful at achieving that goal, but I obviously do have to try.

Gravy is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside himself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of his wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees. He has remarked that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to hoodoo us. This is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand, I'll spell it out for you. For starters, I don't see how Gravy can build a workable policy around wishful thinking draped over a morass of confusion (and also, as we'll see below, historical illiteracy), then impose it willy-nilly on a population by force. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be done but rather that like a verbal magician, Gravy knows how to lie without appearing to be lying, how to bury secrets in mountains of garbage-speak. Just to add a little more perspective, Gravy is like a parrot that makes noises for attention without any kind of clue as to what it is saying. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper because it's the news that just doesn't fit. If you can make any sense out his salacious rodomontades, then you must have gotten higher marks in school than I did.

Gravy has delivered exactly the opposite of what he had previously promised us. Most notably, his vows of liberation turned out to be masks for oppression and domination. And, almost as troubling, Gravy's vows of equality did little more than convince people that I can say one thing about Gravy. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount -- not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that Gravy is planning to wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. This does not bode well for the future, because if I were a complete sap, I'd believe his line that interdenominationalism is the only alternative to scapegoatism. Unfortunately for him, I realize that when I say that Gravy's biases are obtrusive, I mean it. I don't mean that they remind me of something obtrusive or that they have one or two obtrusive characteristics. I mean that they are obtrusive. In fact, the most obtrusive thing about them is the way that they prevent people from seeing that I welcome Gravy's comments. However, Gravy needs to realize that he has -- not once, but several times -- been able to create a global workers plantation overseen by transnational corporations who have no more concern for the human rights of those who produce their products or services than Gravy has for his allies without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as Gravy's gutless teachings are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and shatter the adage that going through the motions of working is the same as working. If there's a rule, and Gravy keeps making exceptions to that rule, then what good is the rule? I mean, Gravy likes to imply that he acts in the public interest. This is what his intimations amount to, although, of course, they're daubed over with the viscid slobber of rabid drivel devised by his sycophants and mindlessly multiplied by flippant merciless-types. He can't throw away his integrity and expect the world to respect him for it. It is also worthy of note that his minions believe that his solutions won't be used for political retribution. It should not be surprising that they believe this, however. As we all know, minds that have been so maimed that they believe that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape can believe anything, especially if it's false.

By that, I mean not only in the strictest sense, but also the whole spectrum of related meanings. Gravy has stated that he commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that he can dole out or retract. Now that's just lewd. He doesn't believe in the right to free speech, except for people who agree with him. It follows from this that I'm willing to accept that Gravy maintains a cozy relationship with biased traitors. I'm even willing to accept that his real enmity against us comes through in his adages, which Gravy uses to invade every private corner and force every thought into a misinformed mold . But he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue Gravy's excited about this week is classism, which says to me that he has, at times, called me "impulsive" or "stuck-up". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to replace law and order with anarchy and despotism. I note in passing that if Gravy feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing him, then that's just too darn bad. His arrogance has brought this upon himself. There is no longer any room for hope. This is all well and good, but whenever he is blamed for conspiring to do away with intellectual honesty, he blames his patsies. Doing so reinforces their passivity and obedience and increases their guilt, shame, terror, and conformity, thereby making them far more willing to help Gravy impinge upon our daily lives.

Gravy's operatives have learned their scripts well and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. To restate the obvious: By comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more foul-mouthed, rotten, and unbalanced society, all thanks to Gravy's prank phone calls. We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about Gravy's imperious perceptions. For starters, let's say that "chauvinism" is "that which makes Gravy yearn to suborn myopic evil-doers to turn once-flourishing neighborhoods into zones of violence, decay, and moral disregard."
While most people know this like a schoolchild knows that 2+2=4, we must put our religious and factional differences aside if we are ever to address the continued social injustice shown by brutal psychics. Period, finis, and Q.E.D. Gravy has frequently been spotted making nicey-nice with logorrheic converts to antidisestablishmentarianism. Is this because he needs their help to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that he is known to revel in? The answer is obvious if you understand that his worshippers believe that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. Every time he tries, Gravy gets increasingly successful in his attempts to flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

It has been proven time and time again that you might have heard the story that Gravy once agreed to help us do what needs to be done. No one has located the document in which Gravy said that. No one has identified when or where Gravy said that. That's because he never said it. As you might have suspected, I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to bring Gravy to justice because doing so clearly demonstrates how he truly believes that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones. I hope you realize that that's just a counter-productive pipe dream from a petulant pipe, and that in the real world, if we take Gravy's crusades to their logical conclusion, we see that eventually, Gravy will censor any incomplicitous opuscula. For one thing, Gravy's arrogance will lead him to work both sides of the political fence one of these days. But more important, Gravy's scare tactics are part and parcel of a larger game plan to create a Frankenstein's monster. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I wonder if he really believes the things he says. He knows they're not true, doesn't he? You see, if he gets his way, none of us will be able to reinforce what is best in people. Therefore, we must not let him destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests. Gravy's favorite scapegoats are the government, the economy, the environment, society, parents, teachers, and just about everything else. And that's why I say to you: Have courage. Be honest. And present another paradigm in opposition to Gravy's insecure, unambitious pleas. That's the patriotic thing to do, and that's the right thing to do.

************************************************** ****


Ok, the previous was created using a little web toy I sometimes fiddle with.

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

I posted it here because I could honestly see something like that popping up at LCF.

[Gravy]

"I debunk thee, I debunk thee, I debunk thee."

See how easy that is? You're done, sucker.

[kookbreaker]

Oddly enough, that was a hundred times better than anything the truthers have tried against Gravy.

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

Oddly enough, that was a hundred times better than anything the truthers have tried against Gravy.

It's true: a robot can produce better conspiracy talk than an average conspiracist can.

What bothers me is that the real truthers choose to make it a personality issue, not a factual or logical issue.

I have the distinct advantage of possessing very little personality and very many facts.

[Pipirr]

My complaint about Alareth:

Most people probably think they already know all they need to know about Alareth, but I have some new information to bring to light. Let me begin by citing a range of examples from the public sphere. For starters, Alareth's baleful hastily mounted campaigns drag men out of their beds in the dead of night and castrate them. Alareth then blames us for that. Now there's a prizewinning example of psychological projection if I've ever seen one. He attracts the most illogical nutters you'll ever see to his peuplade by telling them that arriving at a true state of comprehension is too difficult and/or time-consuming. I suppose the people to whom he tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, Alareth either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods. He even intentionally misuses scientific terminology to steal the fruits of other people's labor. In a nutshell, I experienced quite an epiphany when I first realized that most law-abiding citizens disapprove of Alareth's methods.

-A. minion.


eta: great web toy!

[A W Smith]

a web toy? oh this i hafta see

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Gravy

I have the distinct advantage of possessing very little personality and very many facts.

Oooh! Was that the CIA surgery to get that way? The CIA debunkerbot-ization 2001?

[Thunder]

Gravy has provided extraordinary debunking of most 9-11 myths. How could anyone have a problem with that?

[A W Smith]

OK now I know what the troofer theologians have been using here.

Quote:

I have some very startling, very radical -- some might say intrusive -- insights into Mr. Ace Baker's latest remonstrations. But first, let me pose you a question: Is Ace actually concerned about any of us, or does he just want to exert more and more control over other individuals? After reading this letter, you'll undeniably find it's the latter. The question, therefore, must not be, "What provoked him to deprive individuals of the right to reveal the constant tension between centripetal and centrifugal forces of dialogized heteroglossia resulting from his ideals?", but rather, "Is he hoping that the readers of this letter won't see the weakness of his argument relative to mine?". The latter question is the better one to ask, because he believes that he has the linguistic prowess to produce a masterwork of meritorious literature. The real damage that this belief causes actually has nothing to do with the belief itself, but with psychology, human nature, and the skillful psychological manipulation of that nature by Ace and his semi-intelligible forces.
Whether or not Ace should encourage young people to break all the rules, cut themselves loose from their roots, and adopt a soporific lifestyle ought to be a simple question, far beyond the realm of debate. However, we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which morally crippled Neanderthals like Ace are thoroughly absent. The other road leads into the darkness of negativism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that the acid test for Ace's "kinder, gentler" new objectives should be, "Do they still hasten the destruction of our civilization?" If the answer is yes, then we can conclude that Ace has commented that his debauches are the result of a high-minded urge to do sociological research. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as his comment is lacking in common sense. Ace wants to produce an army of mindless insects who will obey his every command. To produce such an army, he plans to destroy people's minds using either drugs or an advanced form of lobotomy. Whichever approach he takes, I correctly predicted that Ace would seize control of the power structure. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively -- or so soon. It behooves us to remember that he seizes every opportunity to use rock music, with its savage, tribal, orgiastic beat, to prevent me from getting my work done. I cannot believe this colossal clownishness. Any sane person knows that Ace's mind has limited horizons. It is confined to the immediate and simplistic, with the inevitable consequence that everything is made banal and basic and is then leveled down until it is deprived of all spiritual life. That's our situation today, in very rough outline. Of course, I've left out a thousand details and refinements and qualifications. I've not mentioned that nettlesome racketeers all over the country are now having an absolute field day with their new-found freedoms supposedly granted by Mr. Ace Baker's smear tactics. And I've ignored vigilantism altogether. I've simply pointed out one key fact: According to Ace's narrow-minded logic, it would be beneficial for immature revolting-types to advocate measures that others criticize for being excessively prolix.

[T.A.M.]

My problem with Gravy is that it/he raises my cholesterol...

Thank you, thank you very much...I'll be here all week.

TAM

[Hawk one]

Originally Posted by parky76

Gravy has provided extraordinary debunking of most 9-11 myths. How could anyone have a problem with that?

Parky: The "twoofers" who make money on spreading those myths, of course.


(In case you took the OP seriously, then don't. It was a joke. And in case you weren't serious (sort of hard to tell), then disregard this paragraph.)

[CFLarsen]

Originally Posted by Alareth

I need to get something out of the way before I begin. I must say that you probably know exactly what I mean. But before I continue, allow me to explain that I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Gravy of planning to make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely oppressive. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that if you've never seen him pursue a twofold credo of cynicism and irreligionism, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself. Never have I seen such a gross error in judgment as his decision to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.

Gravy whines about slovenly buggers, yet he enthusiastically supports impetuous, jaundiced hatemongers. If his plan to render unspeakable and unthinkable whole categories of beliefs about power is to be discouraged then the wisest course of action is to give peace a chance. Before we start down that road I ought to remind you that I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to put to rest the animosities that have kept various groups of people from enjoying anything other than superficial unity. Of course, I want to thank him for his obiter dicta. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how obstinate Gravy can be. I shall not argue that Gravy's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to cater to the basest instincts of jealous bourgeoisie. Read them and see for yourself. The ultimate aim of Gravy's codices is to restructure society as a pyramid with Gravy at the top, Gravy's habitués directly underneath, deluded soi-disant do-gooders beneath them, and the rest of at the bottom. This new societal structure will enable Gravy to deny us the opportunity to point out that the emperor has no clothes on, which makes me realize that he carries nothing but hatred and destruction in his heart. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why Gravy is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens build a true community of spirit and purpose based on mutual respect and caring. Responsible citizens unequivocally do not have more impact on Earth's biological, geological, and chemical systems during our lifetime and our children's than all preceding human generations had together. To use some computer terminology, Gravy's little empire has an "installed base" of hundreds of the worst types of snippy, presumptuous riffraff there are. The implication is that I'm not a laughable person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to Gravy's shills and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about Gravy's warnings. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot because that's what Gravy wants.

It may seem to many people, maybe even the majority, that Gravy has commented that he is omnipotent. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as his comment is lacking in common sense. His idea of a good time is to deface a social fabric that was already deteriorating. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that anyone who takes Gravy's fork-tongued asseverations seriously has obviously not spent much time around headlong hellions?

Gravy always gives noncommittal answers to questions. That's the theory, at least. But in practice, when I hear Gravy say that merit is adequately measured by his methods and qualifications, I have to wonder about him. Is he absolutely unrealistic? Is he simply being capricious? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? Well, I asked the question, so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that Gravy's demands are destructive. They're morally destructive, socially destructive -- even intellectually destructive. And, as if that weren't enough, I can indisputably suggest how Gravy ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with Gravy himself. It's not just that I unmistakably don't want to have to listen to Gravy's vile billingsgate, but also that if we let him turn a deaf ear to need and suffering, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. My goal is to make Gravy answer for his wrongdoings. I might not be successful at achieving that goal, but I obviously do have to try.

Gravy is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside himself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of his wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees. He has remarked that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to hoodoo us. This is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand, I'll spell it out for you. For starters, I don't see how Gravy can build a workable policy around wishful thinking draped over a morass of confusion (and also, as we'll see below, historical illiteracy), then impose it willy-nilly on a population by force. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be done but rather that like a verbal magician, Gravy knows how to lie without appearing to be lying, how to bury secrets in mountains of garbage-speak. Just to add a little more perspective, Gravy is like a parrot that makes noises for attention without any kind of clue as to what it is saying. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper because it's the news that just doesn't fit. If you can make any sense out his salacious rodomontades, then you must have gotten higher marks in school than I did.

Gravy has delivered exactly the opposite of what he had previously promised us. Most notably, his vows of liberation turned out to be masks for oppression and domination. And, almost as troubling, Gravy's vows of equality did little more than convince people that I can say one thing about Gravy. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount -- not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that Gravy is planning to wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. This does not bode well for the future, because if I were a complete sap, I'd believe his line that interdenominationalism is the only alternative to scapegoatism. Unfortunately for him, I realize that when I say that Gravy's biases are obtrusive, I mean it. I don't mean that they remind me of something obtrusive or that they have one or two obtrusive characteristics. I mean that they are obtrusive. In fact, the most obtrusive thing about them is the way that they prevent people from seeing that I welcome Gravy's comments. However, Gravy needs to realize that he has -- not once, but several times -- been able to create a global workers plantation overseen by transnational corporations who have no more concern for the human rights of those who produce their products or services than Gravy has for his allies without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as Gravy's gutless teachings are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and shatter the adage that going through the motions of working is the same as working. If there's a rule, and Gravy keeps making exceptions to that rule, then what good is the rule? I mean, Gravy likes to imply that he acts in the public interest. This is what his intimations amount to, although, of course, they're daubed over with the viscid slobber of rabid drivel devised by his sycophants and mindlessly multiplied by flippant merciless-types. He can't throw away his integrity and expect the world to respect him for it. It is also worthy of note that his minions believe that his solutions won't be used for political retribution. It should not be surprising that they believe this, however. As we all know, minds that have been so maimed that they believe that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape can believe anything, especially if it's false.

By that, I mean not only in the strictest sense, but also the whole spectrum of related meanings. Gravy has stated that he commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that he can dole out or retract. Now that's just lewd. He doesn't believe in the right to free speech, except for people who agree with him. It follows from this that I'm willing to accept that Gravy maintains a cozy relationship with biased traitors. I'm even willing to accept that his real enmity against us comes through in his adages, which Gravy uses to invade every private corner and force every thought into a misinformed mold . But he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue Gravy's excited about this week is classism, which says to me that he has, at times, called me "impulsive" or "stuck-up". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to replace law and order with anarchy and despotism. I note in passing that if Gravy feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing him, then that's just too darn bad. His arrogance has brought this upon himself. There is no longer any room for hope. This is all well and good, but whenever he is blamed for conspiring to do away with intellectual honesty, he blames his patsies. Doing so reinforces their passivity and obedience and increases their guilt, shame, terror, and conformity, thereby making them far more willing to help Gravy impinge upon our daily lives.

Gravy's operatives have learned their scripts well and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. To restate the obvious: By comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more foul-mouthed, rotten, and unbalanced society, all thanks to Gravy's prank phone calls. We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about Gravy's imperious perceptions. For starters, let's say that "chauvinism" is "that which makes Gravy yearn to suborn myopic evil-doers to turn once-flourishing neighborhoods into zones of violence, decay, and moral disregard."
While most people know this like a schoolchild knows that 2+2=4, we must put our religious and factional differences aside if we are ever to address the continued social injustice shown by brutal psychics. Period, finis, and Q.E.D. Gravy has frequently been spotted making nicey-nice with logorrheic converts to antidisestablishmentarianism. Is this because he needs their help to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that he is known to revel in? The answer is obvious if you understand that his worshippers believe that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. Every time he tries, Gravy gets increasingly successful in his attempts to flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

It has been proven time and time again that you might have heard the story that Gravy once agreed to help us do what needs to be done. No one has located the document in which Gravy said that. No one has identified when or where Gravy said that. That's because he never said it. As you might have suspected, I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to bring Gravy to justice because doing so clearly demonstrates how he truly believes that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones. I hope you realize that that's just a counter-productive pipe dream from a petulant pipe, and that in the real world, if we take Gravy's crusades to their logical conclusion, we see that eventually, Gravy will censor any incomplicitous opuscula. For one thing, Gravy's arrogance will lead him to work both sides of the political fence one of these days. But more important, Gravy's scare tactics are part and parcel of a larger game plan to create a Frankenstein's monster. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I wonder if he really believes the things he says. He knows they're not true, doesn't he? You see, if he gets his way, none of us will be able to reinforce what is best in people. Therefore, we must not let him destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests. Gravy's favorite scapegoats are the government, the economy, the environment, society, parents, teachers, and just about everything else. And that's why I say to you: Have courage. Be honest. And present another paradigm in opposition to Gravy's insecure, unambitious pleas. That's the patriotic thing to do, and that's the right thing to do.

************************************************** ****


Ok, the previous was created using a little web toy I sometimes fiddle with.

http://www.pakin.org/complaint/

I posted it here because I could honestly see something like that popping up at LCF.

What problem - if any - do you have with Gravy's evidence?

[Myriad]

Originally Posted by Alareth

Gravy has frequently been spotted making nicey-nice with logorrheic converts to antidisestablishmentarianism.

Reported.

It's nice to know the Turing Test circuits in my brain are still working. By the second paragraph they were pinging "computer-generated!" (By the fourth paragraph other parts of my brain were whining, "there's more?")

But the programs are getting better. Seems like every decade or two I turn around, and notice they've gotten a little closer. At this rate they'll be able to invent their own Terminator tag-phrases in another mere couple of centuries.

(I know, I know, the point isn't that the program is smart, it's that the style of rhetoric the program is imitating is so inelegant, predictable, and devoid of content that "even a computer could do it." A troother Eliza program would be an interesting, and not-too-difficult, project.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

What problem - if any - do you have with Gravy's evidence?

Lord knows I need all the help I can get, but Claus, that long complaint was generated by a naughty computer program.

And if you are just making a joke about the use of the word "evidence," then it is much appreciated.

[Alareth]

Originally Posted by Gravy

Lord knows I need all the help I can get, but Claus, that long complaint was generated by a naughty computer program.

And if you are just making a joke about the use of the word "evidence," then it is much appreciated.

It's a testament to it's accuracy that that rant is being confused with actual CT rhetoric.

[WildCat]

Claus, it's already April 1 in some parts of the world...

Had me going for a bit, but then it became obvious that it was just gibberish with no actual point, not Alareth's style!

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Alareth

It's a testament to it's accuracy that that rant is being confused with actual CT rhetoric.

It's true! The CTs should use it. Think about the nuts who are posting in the conspiracy theories forum now. Their prose could only be enhanced by a decent machine algorithm.

[CFLarsen]

Øeh.....OK.

[A W Smith]

for laughs I used to use zippy meets Meta HTML through web pages long ago. alas it is no more.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by Gravy

I have the distinct advantage of possessing very little personality and very many facts.

Sorry, man, but that's going into the Stundies!

[Gravy]

Originally Posted by Horatius

Sorry, man, but that's going into the Stundies!

Something tells me it isn't going to rank with the unintentionals, much less in the top 20, although as overwhelmed with nuttery as MobySeven is going to be this month, one never knows! He may just have throw everything into a hat.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by Gravy

Something tells me it isn't going to rank with the unintentionals, much less in the top 20, although as overwhelmed with nuttery as MobySeven is going to be this month, one never knows! He may just have throw everything into a hat.

Yeah, but we have to give the twoofers something to vote for!

[pomeroo]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Alareth

I need to get something out of the way before I begin. I must say that you probably know exactly what I mean. But before I continue, allow me to explain that I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Gravy of planning to make us less united, less moral, less sensitive, less engaged, and more perversely oppressive. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that if you've never seen him pursue a twofold credo of cynicism and irreligionism, you're either incredibly unobservant or are concealing the truth from yourself. Never have I seen such a gross error in judgment as his decision to concoct a version of reality that fully contradicts real life.

Gravy whines about slovenly buggers, yet he enthusiastically supports impetuous, jaundiced hatemongers. If his plan to render unspeakable and unthinkable whole categories of beliefs about power is to be discouraged then the wisest course of action is to give peace a chance. Before we start down that road I ought to remind you that I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to put to rest the animosities that have kept various groups of people from enjoying anything other than superficial unity. Of course, I want to thank him for his obiter dicta. They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how obstinate Gravy can be. I shall not argue that Gravy's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to cater to the basest instincts of jealous bourgeoisie. Read them and see for yourself. The ultimate aim of Gravy's codices is to restructure society as a pyramid with Gravy at the top, Gravy's habitués directly underneath, deluded soi-disant do-gooders beneath them, and the rest of at the bottom. This new societal structure will enable Gravy to deny us the opportunity to point out that the emperor has no clothes on, which makes me realize that he carries nothing but hatred and destruction in his heart. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why Gravy is not a responsible citizen. Responsible citizens build a true community of spirit and purpose based on mutual respect and caring. Responsible citizens unequivocally do not have more impact on Earth's biological, geological, and chemical systems during our lifetime and our children's than all preceding human generations had together. To use some computer terminology, Gravy's little empire has an "installed base" of hundreds of the worst types of snippy, presumptuous riffraff there are. The implication is that I'm not a laughable person. I'd like nothing more than to extend my hand in friendship to Gravy's shills and convey my hope that in the days to come we can work together to develop a rational-empirical base for dialogue about Gravy's warnings. Unfortunately, knowing them, they'd rather rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot because that's what Gravy wants.

It may seem to many people, maybe even the majority, that Gravy has commented that he is omnipotent. I would love to refute that, but there seems to be no need, seeing as his comment is lacking in common sense. His idea of a good time is to deface a social fabric that was already deteriorating. Am I being unduly harsh for writing that? I think not. When the religious leaders in Jesus's time were wrong, Jesus denounced them in extremely harsh terms. So why shouldn't I, too, use extremely harsh terms to indicate that anyone who takes Gravy's fork-tongued asseverations seriously has obviously not spent much time around headlong hellions?

Gravy always gives noncommittal answers to questions. That's the theory, at least. But in practice, when I hear Gravy say that merit is adequately measured by his methods and qualifications, I have to wonder about him. Is he absolutely unrealistic? Is he simply being capricious? Or is he merely embracing a delusion in which he must believe in order to continue believing in himself? Well, I asked the question, so I should answer it. Let me start by saying that Gravy's demands are destructive. They're morally destructive, socially destructive -- even intellectually destructive. And, as if that weren't enough, I can indisputably suggest how Gravy ought to behave. Ultimately, however, the burden of acting with moral rectitude lies with Gravy himself. It's not just that I unmistakably don't want to have to listen to Gravy's vile billingsgate, but also that if we let him turn a deaf ear to need and suffering, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization. My goal is to make Gravy answer for his wrongdoings. I might not be successful at achieving that goal, but I obviously do have to try.

Gravy is terrified that there might be an absolute reality outside himself, a reality that is what it is, regardless of his wishes, theories, hopes, daydreams, or decrees. He has remarked that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to hoodoo us. This is a comment that should chill the spine of anyone with moral convictions. To make sure you understand, I'll spell it out for you. For starters, I don't see how Gravy can build a workable policy around wishful thinking draped over a morass of confusion (and also, as we'll see below, historical illiteracy), then impose it willy-nilly on a population by force. I'm not saying that it can't possibly be done but rather that like a verbal magician, Gravy knows how to lie without appearing to be lying, how to bury secrets in mountains of garbage-speak. Just to add a little more perspective, Gravy is like a parrot that makes noises for attention without any kind of clue as to what it is saying. That's something you won't find in your local newspaper because it's the news that just doesn't fit. If you can make any sense out his salacious rodomontades, then you must have gotten higher marks in school than I did.

Gravy has delivered exactly the opposite of what he had previously promised us. Most notably, his vows of liberation turned out to be masks for oppression and domination. And, almost as troubling, Gravy's vows of equality did little more than convince people that I can say one thing about Gravy. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount -- not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that Gravy is planning to wage a clandestine guerilla war against many basic human rights. This does not bode well for the future, because if I were a complete sap, I'd believe his line that interdenominationalism is the only alternative to scapegoatism. Unfortunately for him, I realize that when I say that Gravy's biases are obtrusive, I mean it. I don't mean that they remind me of something obtrusive or that they have one or two obtrusive characteristics. I mean that they are obtrusive. In fact, the most obtrusive thing about them is the way that they prevent people from seeing that I welcome Gravy's comments. However, Gravy needs to realize that he has -- not once, but several times -- been able to create a global workers plantation overseen by transnational corporations who have no more concern for the human rights of those who produce their products or services than Gravy has for his allies without anyone stopping him. How long can that go on? As long as Gravy's gutless teachings are kept on life support. That's why we have to pull the plug on them and shatter the adage that going through the motions of working is the same as working. If there's a rule, and Gravy keeps making exceptions to that rule, then what good is the rule? I mean, Gravy likes to imply that he acts in the public interest. This is what his intimations amount to, although, of course, they're daubed over with the viscid slobber of rabid drivel devised by his sycophants and mindlessly multiplied by flippant merciless-types. He can't throw away his integrity and expect the world to respect him for it. It is also worthy of note that his minions believe that his solutions won't be used for political retribution. It should not be surprising that they believe this, however. As we all know, minds that have been so maimed that they believe that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape can believe anything, especially if it's false.

By that, I mean not only in the strictest sense, but also the whole spectrum of related meanings. Gravy has stated that he commands an army of robots that live in the hollow center of the earth and produce earthquakes whenever they feel like shaking things up a bit on the surface. One clear inference from that statement -- an inference that is never really disavowed -- is that our unalienable rights are merely privileges that he can dole out or retract. Now that's just lewd. He doesn't believe in the right to free speech, except for people who agree with him. It follows from this that I'm willing to accept that Gravy maintains a cozy relationship with biased traitors. I'm even willing to accept that his real enmity against us comes through in his adages, which Gravy uses to invade every private corner and force every thought into a misinformed mold . But he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue Gravy's excited about this week is classism, which says to me that he has, at times, called me "impulsive" or "stuck-up". Such contemptuous name-calling has passed far beyond the stage of being infantile but harmless. It has the capacity to replace law and order with anarchy and despotism. I note in passing that if Gravy feels ridiculed by all the attention my letters are bringing him, then that's just too darn bad. His arrogance has brought this upon himself. There is no longer any room for hope. This is all well and good, but whenever he is blamed for conspiring to do away with intellectual honesty, he blames his patsies. Doing so reinforces their passivity and obedience and increases their guilt, shame, terror, and conformity, thereby making them far more willing to help Gravy impinge upon our daily lives.

Gravy's operatives have learned their scripts well and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. To restate the obvious: By comparing today to even ten years ago and projecting the course we're on, I'd say we're in for an even more foul-mouthed, rotten, and unbalanced society, all thanks to Gravy's prank phone calls. We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about Gravy's imperious perceptions. For starters, let's say that "chauvinism" is "that which makes Gravy yearn to suborn myopic evil-doers to turn once-flourishing neighborhoods into zones of violence, decay, and moral disregard."
While most people know this like a schoolchild knows that 2+2=4, we must put our religious and factional differences aside if we are ever to address the continued social injustice shown by brutal psychics. Period, finis, and Q.E.D. Gravy has frequently been spotted making nicey-nice with logorrheic converts to antidisestablishmentarianism. Is this because he needs their help to force onto us the degradation and ignominy that he is known to revel in? The answer is obvious if you understand that his worshippers believe that public opinion is a reliable indicator of what's true and what isn't. Although it is perhaps impossible to change the perspective of those who have such beliefs, I wish nevertheless to celebrate knowledge and truth for the sake of knowledge and truth. Every time he tries, Gravy gets increasingly successful in his attempts to flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well.

It has been proven time and time again that you might have heard the story that Gravy once agreed to help us do what needs to be done. No one has located the document in which Gravy said that. No one has identified when or where Gravy said that. That's because he never said it. As you might have suspected, I don't want to build castles in the air. I don't want to plan things that I can't yet implement. But I do want to bring Gravy to justice because doing so clearly demonstrates how he truly believes that people don't mind having their communities turned into war zones. I hope you realize that that's just a counter-productive pipe dream from a petulant pipe, and that in the real world, if we take Gravy's crusades to their logical conclusion, we see that eventually, Gravy will censor any incomplicitous opuscula. For one thing, Gravy's arrogance will lead him to work both sides of the political fence one of these days. But more important, Gravy's scare tactics are part and parcel of a larger game plan to create a Frankenstein's monster. Now that that's cleared up, I'll continue with what I was saying before, that I wonder if he really believes the things he says. He knows they're not true, doesn't he? You see, if he gets his way, none of us will be able to reinforce what is best in people. Therefore, we must not let him destroy the natural beauty of our parks and forests. Gravy's favorite scapegoats are the government, the economy, the environment, society, parents, teachers, and just about everything else. And that's why I say to you: Have courage. Be honest. And present another paradigm in opposition to Gravy's insecure, unambitious pleas. That's the patriotic thing to do, and that's the right thing to do.

Gah-damn! Yew use yer tongue better'n a twenny dollar whore!

[T.A.M.]

[quote=pomeroo;2479190]

Quote:

Gah-damn! Yew use yer tongue better'n a twenny dollar whore!

damn, that line is so far from anything I ever thought I would hear from you Ron. It makes it all the more hilarious.

Folks, picture the guy hosting the Hardfire Debate, saying the above line....lol

TAM

[Horatius]

[quote=T.A.M.;2479193]

Originally Posted by pomeroo

damn, that line is so far from anything I ever thought I would hear from you Ron. It makes it all the more hilarious.

Folks, picture the guy hosting the Hardfire Debate, saying the above line....lol

TAM

It helps if you use the Slim-Pickens-riding-the-H-Bomb image....

[pomeroo]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Horatius

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

It helps if you use the Slim-Pickens-riding-the-H-Bomb image....

It's actually Slim Pickens from "Blazing Saddles."

[Alareth]

Excellent taste in movies sir.

[pomeroo]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alareth

Excellent taste in movies sir.

Never mind that s***: Here comes Mongo!

[Brainster]

I think Webster Tarpley used that program to create Synthetic Terror.

[Horatius]

Originally Posted by pomeroo

It's actually Slim Pickens from "Blazing Saddles."

Well, I knew it was Mr. Pickens, but I've only ever seen pictures of you sitting down.....

[ConspiRaider]

[quote=pomeroo;2479223]

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It's actually Slim Pickens from "Blazing Saddles."

Taggert, take this down!

I want rustlers, cutthroats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, half-wits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, conmen, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwackers, hornswagglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, a**kickers, s**tkickers, and METHODISTS!

[FactCheck]

[Start Truther logic] Is it a coincidence that truthers arguments and this computer algorithm are strikingly similar? (IE: goes on about things that have nothing to do with the evidence for demolition) There is only one explanation! Truthers have small chips implanted into their brains by the government at birth![/end truther logic]

[kookbreaker]

Originally Posted by Brainster

I think Webster Tarpley used that program to create Synthetic Terror.

Mmmmmmmmm synthetic terror

/Homer

[Wartrac]

There might be legal precedent! Of course, Landsnatching . . . land, land, Land, see Snatch. Ah, Hailie vs. United Sates. Hailie: 7, United States: nothing. You see, it can be done!

[R.Mackey]

Looks like somebody got a jump on April Fool's Day early this year...

[firecoins]

If a truther voicing technolog can fake the voices of truthers, than it is possible that voice morphing technology faked the voices of passengers.

Mom this Brian Marks.

[Alareth]

Originally Posted by Myriad

(I know, I know, the point isn't that the program is smart, it's that the style of rhetoric the program is imitating is so inelegant, predictable, and devoid of content that "even a computer could do it." A troother Eliza program would be an interesting, and not-too-difficult, project.)

Now there is an interesting thought. I wonder exactly how far a properly programmed Eliza would get at a place like LCF.

Hmmmmm....

Too bad I don't know the first thing about making such a thing.

[FactCheck]

Originally Posted by firecoins

If a truther voicing technolog can fake the voices of truthers, than it is possible that voice morphing technology faked the voices of passengers.

Mom this Brian Marks.

This is faking the logic of truthers, not the voices.

OH, the irony!

[Mince]

Originally Posted by Pipirr

Whether or not that's the case, Alareth either is or elects to be ignorant of scientific principles and methods.

And he Writes like Nabokov. Very simple prose peppered with occasional comparatively complex words that are grossly out of place in text and paradoxically ruin the writing.

[Miragememories]

Well that post must have put Binglybert Slaptyback's ego close to an overdose.

Of course he's still in mourning and doesn't really appreciate all this fawning attention.

MM