Dylan versus CIT

Bobert · 14th April 2007, 09:09 PM

I predicted that Dylan would begin cutting ties with the CIT within a couple of months.
I guess was off by a couple of months:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...opic=7371&st=0
My favorite line from Lyte referring to Merc:

Quote:

But he IS a hip-hop MC still and he DOES speak in street slang quite often (anyone who has met him knows this) and whenever he gets mad you better believe the thug in him comes out for sure.

Every researcher should have a thug as a partner.
WOW...just WOW!!

StoneWT · 14th April 2007, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Headhunter

Merc wrote that? That's absurd. Why would he allow his own jealousy to get in the way? Anyone who isn't rooting for LCFC's release nation wide, and globally, is not for the truth movement, but is operating only from selfishly driven ego needs.

The above is funny. If you DON'T support the video, you're in it for your own ego. If you support it, it's for the betterment of humanity. That is a curious bit of projection, no?

Gravy · 14th April 2007, 09:24 PM

Lyte Trip:

Quote:

This is exactly why jref & SLC should not be tolerated for a second.

We have enough proof.

There should be no debate.

The investigation should be into WHO the perpetrators are not IF 9/11 was an inside job.

...There are ZERO holes in the northside claim.

Zero.

Not even any published witnesses directly contradict it.

We now know for sure why Lloyd's claim doesn't make any sense.

Still withholding evidence of a huge crime. That's terrible!

Bobert · 14th April 2007, 09:29 PM

I have always wanted to start a "how many people has Merc threatened" thread thought that was too over the top.
He has threatened me so I guess I feel honored.
I am glad to see though that even Lyte admits he is a thug.

beachnut · 14th April 2007, 09:38 PM

Are there any rational thinking people posting at LCF?

Dylan seems not to have a working relationship with html, and his post makes it look like he is saying what he is trying to say someone else said. Will he change the post after reading this so he does not seem like Imus. Sheen would be the perfect match to play Dylan in the movie version of "An Inconvenient Fraud – Loose Change" ...

Unsecured Coins · 14th April 2007, 09:46 PM

i was alway keen on the title "An Inconvenient Way To Spend 90 Minutes"

JamesB · 14th April 2007, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Lyte Trip:

Still withholding evidence of a huge crime. That's terrible!

We should not be tolerated? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are they proposing a final solution over there?

It seems like they are in full panic mode.

Oliver · 14th April 2007, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bobert

I predicted that Dylan would begin cutting ties with the CIT within a couple of months.
I guess was off by a couple of months:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...opic=7371&st=0
My favorite line from Lyte referring to Merc:

Every researcher should have a thug as a partner.
WOW...just WOW!!

It may be a little bit off-topic but Dylans remark is much
more important concerning the backgrounds:

Dylan: "He is simply the ONLY person in this business willing to put his career on the line to distribute this kind of movie."

You know what this means? Some weeks ago he hadn't sign
any contract with Cuban, even if they were in California already.
Then the information about Sheen as narrator leaked, which may
have been a marketing test to see what kind of controversy is
out there about the topic.

So far, Cuban never mentioned to distribute LC-FC - which
means the contract is still not signed until there is an official
Statement. Dylans resposes so far was: "Let me do my job",
which he repeatet several times. So he also affirms that the
contract isn't signed yet.

Cuban himself asks Marky to add debunkings to - and now
we're talking about the Final Cut again - the movie. This
happens after the Sheen-Media-Hype. So Cuban doesn't
want to be the Bogey-Man in this kind of controversy.

In all this hectic, Dylan had not much time (and Head) to
find anything new and important. He was talking about still
writing on the script and modeling WTC7 for the script, just
a couple of weeks ago. And in this thread about CIT, which
is only a few days old, Dylan still avoids to confirm the contract
or to tell any details.

Guys, I believe there is nothing signed yet - and it probably
never will. And even if this will happen, Cuban will ruin the Movies
spirit/efficiency - which is a lose/lose situation for the Truth-ment.

If Dylan would spread the movie like the other 2 films - he would
be a "real Truther" - spreading the word in the best possible way.
This type of Situation is more like prostitution, after Dylan spend
quite some money into this mess and can't paddle back anymore.

MarkyX · 14th April 2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Guys, I believe there is nothing signed yet - and it probably
never will.

Nope, it hasn't.

Oliver · 14th April 2007, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by MarkyX

Nope, it hasn't.

Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet"
or
"Nope, it has been signed"

Mobyseven · 15th April 2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Lyte Trip

The investigation should be into WHO the perpetrators are not IF 9/11 was an inside job.

If you KNOW that 9/11 was an inside job, doesn't that imply that you know at least who SOME of the perpetrators are?

DarkMagician · 15th April 2007, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet"
or
"Nope, it has been signed"

I believe he meant the first.

In English, "Yes/No" clauses are confusing, so just ignore them and read the rest of the sentence.

jhunter1163 · 15th April 2007, 12:51 AM

I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts.

Oliver · 15th April 2007, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by DarkMagician

I believe he meant the first.

In English, "Yes/No" clauses are confusing, so just ignore them and read the rest of the sentence.

I guess I have to look into this type of clauses to
understand them. Thank you for the tip, DarkMagician.

Oliver · 15th April 2007, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts.

To me it looks like if Cuban don't want to appear unpatriotic and
this is the reason to add a "balanced", opposite view. Or he's
just one of the NWO-JREF'ers.

Bobert · 15th April 2007, 01:05 AM

The LC'ers should be more concerned with what the media is going to do with LC when it is released.
Poor Dylan

jhunter1163 · 15th April 2007, 01:07 AM

That could be. Or maybe he doesn't want to appear stupid. Either way, I don't think there's any way LC:FC gets made without SLC being incorporated into it.

My predictions:

Dylan will go for it because he wants the money. The fact that he's selling out the Twoofers will not matter to him at all. The movie will be self-debunking and the Twoofers will cry out in outrage over Dylan's betrayal. Dylan will blame Cuban to cover his own a**, while taking the money and retreating to his trailer in Oneonta.

The Twoof movement will quickly die, since so many of the Twoofers were counting on LC:FC to be the final blow to the neocons. With no new research, the Twoofers will be reduced to a few angry, somewhat dumb white guys chanting outside Larry Silverstein's office.

I predict all of this will happen before January 1, 2010. Randi can send me the million any time after that.

Oliver · 15th April 2007, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

That could be. Or maybe he doesn't want to appear stupid. Either way, I don't think there's any way LC:FC gets made without SLC being incorporated into it.

My predictions:

Dylan will go for it because he wants the money. The fact that he's selling out the Twoofers will not matter to him at all. The movie will be self-debunking and the Twoofers will cry out in outrage over Dylan's betrayal. Dylan will blame Cuban to cover his own a**, while taking the money and retreating to his trailer in Oneonta.

The Twoof movement will quickly die, since so many of the Twoofers were counting on LC:FC to be the final blow to the neocons. With no new research, the Twoofers will be reduced to a few angry, somewhat dumb white guys chanting outside Larry Silverstein's office.

I predict all of this will happen before January 1, 2010. Randi can send me the million any time after that.

*LMAO* That was hilarious! - I thought exactly the same.

The Truthers will go crazy in anger after the movie is released,
and as a result they will send their Chit-tynator to solve the
"problems".

Cl1mh4224rd · 15th April 2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by jhunter1163

I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts.

If Cuban is distributing LC:FC, I'm wondering if he has given Dylan certain conditions:

1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view, or 2) we get someone to do an opposing film and distribute the two together.

jhunter1163 · 15th April 2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

If Cuban is distributing LC:FC, I'm wondering if he has given Dylan certain conditions:

1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view, or 2) we get someone to do an opposing film and distribute the two together.

Maybe that was what Dylan meant when he said he was trying to keep content. Certain things (no plane at the Pentagon, for example) you KNOW have to go, but other things (explosions in basement of WTC, for example) could go either way.

Dylan's caught between a rock and a hard place. He wants to be loyal to his Twoofer base, but he also wants to get the movie made and the wacky stuff ain't gonna fly with Cuban. Dylan's trying to find out just what Cuban's wacky tolerance is. Not that it really matters: whatever arguments make it into LC:FC will be quickly and thoroughly demolished. Dylan and the boys will take the money and slink back to Oneonta, chuckling all the way.

Undesired Walrus · 15th April 2007, 02:03 AM

This is quite hilarious. Dylan has presumably thought himself an "official filmaker" for some time now, someone who will soon be walking down the red carpet but at the same time be that edgy, "rage against the machine" type.

Unfortunatly, in recent weeks, it seems that the only person who has shown interest is also going to inlist the help of a bunch of random forum users (By Markyx admission he is not a filmaker). Somehow Avery is realising this is not quite the Earth shattering movie he expected it to be.

If Loose Change ever does get made, it will likely just be a little review in the corner of page76 of Empire, with a 2 star rating. Most certainly not a full page spread.

qarnos · 15th April 2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Lyte Trip @ LCF

But again......this has nothing to do with the evidence.

This should be his sig...

ETA: On a more serious note, why are they so concerned about having a rebuttal on the DVD if their case is so water-tight? Surely the evidence can speak for itself.

Undesired Walrus · 15th April 2007, 02:16 AM

Perhaps Mark Roberts can do the audio commentary on the DVD.

"Wrong" "Wrong" "Wrong" "Wrong" "Bad choice of track" "Wrong" "Wrong".

T.A.M. · 15th April 2007, 06:17 AM

I think Cuban got alot of negative press when this hit the media. I think he is now "reassessing" the whole scenario, including an opposing video/movie to support at the same time...as said earlier, he does NOT want to appear unpatriotic.

TAM

60hzxtl · 15th April 2007, 07:02 AM

Another lesson for Do-Over Dylan; verbal contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Dylan has visions of glory and the red carpet. Sunglasses and Limos. You have to have the product first though. That's why the job is called "producer".

MarkyX · 15th April 2007, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet"
or
"Nope, it has been signed"

It hasn't been signed yet. If Dylan says yes, he is lying. 2nd edition has too many copyright issues and stupid BS to deal with, and LC:FC is probably not past anything that can be remotely published.

Quote:

1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view

This is true. I was even told that if they wanted some debunk information from me, that I should be asking questions as well about the government instead of just "debunking" what Loose Change is saying.

Bobert · 15th April 2007, 10:04 AM

I suspect within a week Merc will turn on Lyte and Dylan will finally clean house of them both.
Dylan would not want them around if he is trying to get rid of the "no planers" and sell his movie to Cuban.

jhunter1163 · 15th April 2007, 10:25 AM

Merc is already banned. Lyte is on thin ice there.

David Wong · 15th April 2007, 10:33 AM

I love how that thread devolves into an argument over whether that one guy is actually African-American, or part African-American, or just a white man who talks in "ebonics" for effect.

And they debate that with the same angry gravity with which they debate mass murder.

David Wong · 15th April 2007, 10:35 AM

Remind me, is TerrorCell Merc?

Terrorcell:

Quote:

Now "SLCFC" gets packaged with the LCFC DVD? So the opposition, the nazi's, the side who blindly supports these murdering liars get to tag their propaganda in with it? And those lying bastards get to profit off of it too.

"Equal representation" for the other side ********. It's going to be debunked by the best CIA team GHWB can have put together. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a real hard time accepting rich Texans that want to make sure the Bush family gets equal representation.

THE OTHER SIDE HAS BEEN THE ONLY REPRESENTATION FOR THE LAST 6+ YEARS.

ON THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 12TH 2001 FAUX NEWS WAS ANNOUNCING THAT ALTHOUGH THERE WERE REPORTS OF BOMBS IN THE BUILDING EXPLODING "OBVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T THE CASE".

And where has our "equal representation" been in all of this? Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity insulting a truther for 4 minutes and calling it a segment?

QUOTE dont you want decent debate?

Debate class is over. How many people have you spoken with that don't know the towers were blown up? A couple years ago people would get pissed off when I would start telling people about now I find it harder and harder to find someone who disagrees with that unless they spend their day with that great FAUX News Programming!

You realize the eyewitness testimony of 2 Pentagon Police officers saying they saw you shoot somebody is enough evidence to put you in jail for the rest of your life, right?

And look how much more there is.

DEBATE IS DONE.

"SKEPTICS" SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS FORUM JUST LIKE THE NO-PLANERS WERE. WE'RE NOT DEBATING ANYMORE.

Well, that's certainly reasonable.

Cl1mh4224rd · 15th April 2007, 11:41 AM

Merc's going to give himself a heart attack like that.

...and then blame it on the CIA attempting to assassinate him.

Matthew Best · 15th April 2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

He is simply the ONLY person in this business willing to put his career on the line to distribute this kind of movie.

I thought Dylan was meant to be fielding various offers and had a 20 million dollar budget months ago? Now it turns out there's only one person in the whole distribution business who will touch him with a bargepole?

MarkyX · 15th April 2007, 12:04 PM

Man, the 9/11 Deniers are a messed up bunch. All I stated is Mark Cuban contacted me and was interested in learning more about the rebuttal against Loose Change. Nothing has been signed or confirmed yet.

Suddenly these kooks are posting conspriacy theories about Dylan, myself, and Mark Cuban. Despite that nothing has happened, they are already making wild accusations and predictions.

Mince · 15th April 2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headhunter
Merc wrote that? That's absurd. Why would he allow his own jealousy to get in the way? Anyone who isn't rooting for LCFC's release nation wide, and globally, is not for the truth movement, but is operating only from selfishly driven ego needs.

Headhunter;

The video is not going global or even nationwide or even in major theaters, ok? Films produced and distributed by Columbia/Tri-Star, Fox, Paramount, Sony, Time/Warner, etc., go global and nationwide in big theaters. Loose Change is not a film and it is not being produced by a major film producer. It is video, which, apparently, will get distributed by Magnolia pictures. Quit grossly overstating things.

Could a Loose Change Forum lackey and/or runner please relay this to Headhunter. I'd do it myself, but those cowards banned me for saying the above.

Thank you.

Horatius · 15th April 2007, 02:01 PM

Here's a good question:

Quote:

of course bandanas are more stable than black boxes. black boxes are built to only substain forces of 1000g. is there any scientific calculation of how much g-forces a bandana could absorb? look on wikipedia - there's none!

So, how many Gs could a bandana take? It's not like they have a lot of internal structure that could be crushed or broken.

Anyone here do crash testing?

Or, perhaps we could put a bandana in a hydraulic press, to simulate a sudden decelertation. What pressure would you need to break a bandana*?

*Just be sure it's not a "banana". It's an easy typo to make, but would be a mess in the press.

qarnos · 15th April 2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lyte Trip @ LCF

Originally Posted by LUCAS @ LCF

We have been debating this issue for 5 years...

The other side has had 100% media coverage while we get the **** end of the stick!

Time for debate IS OVER.

Time for investigation IS NOW!

Bravo.

This is exactly why jref & SLC should not be tolerated for a second.

We have enough proof.

There should be no debate.

The investigation should be into WHO the perpetrators are not IF 9/11 was an inside job.

Then why don't they just do it, already!!!??? Go save the world, boys! Take your "proof" to the media, the Whitehouse, the UN - whoever, and show us all how wrong we were!

~enigma~ · 15th April 2007, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

What pressure would you need to break a bandana*?

Let's see...if the bandana was quickly frozen in a flask of liquid nitrogen, I would think that it would be a fairly easy process to break the bandana. That proves it!!!! Only the government would put liquid nitrogen on flight 93 and pay a militant arab to put his head in the flask while wearing the red bandana....that's it....GWB watch out cause we are coming to get you

ETA - Of course this is totally opposite what happened but it was an inside job anyway

T.A.M. · 15th April 2007, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by qarnos

Then why don't they just do it, already!!!??? Go save the world, boys! Take your "proof" to the media, the Whitehouse, the UN - whoever, and show us all how wrong we were!

oh be easy now, didnt you read Lytes post back to me earlier...he has gone to the authorities, but these investigations can take a while, so we must be patient...what a crock.

TAM

Bobert · 15th April 2007, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by David Wong

Remind me, is TerrorCell Merc?

Terrorcell:

Well, that's certainly reasonable.

No, I dont believe Terrorcell is Merc.

pomeroo · 15th April 2007, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobert

The LC'ers should be more concerned with what the media is going to do with LC when it is released.
Poor Dylan

The mainstream media has a knack for disappointing rationalists.

Far-left New York magazine produced an absolutely disgraceful piece on 9/11 conspiracy theories. The approach taken by the ideologized impostor who wrote it was, hey, they say some crazy-sounding things, but they sure do make interesting points. Sadly, for many "journalists," if Bush speaks out against cancer, it is necessary to put in a few good words for the disease.

14th April 2007, 09:09 PM	#1
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	Dylan versus CIT I predicted that Dylan would begin cutting ties with the CIT within a couple of months. I guess was off by a couple of months: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...opic=7371&st=0 My favorite line from Lyte referring to Merc: Quote: But he IS a hip-hop MC still and he DOES speak in street slang quite often (anyone who has met him knows this) and whenever he gets mad you better believe the thug in him comes out for sure. Every researcher should have a thug as a partner. WOW...just WOW!!

14th April 2007, 09:16 PM	#2
StoneWT Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 401	Originally Posted by Headhunter Merc wrote that? That's absurd. Why would he allow his own jealousy to get in the way? Anyone who isn't rooting for LCFC's release nation wide, and globally, is not for the truth movement, but is operating only from selfishly driven ego needs. The above is funny. If you DON'T support the video, you're in it for your own ego. If you support it, it's for the betterment of humanity. That is a curious bit of projection, no?
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14th April 2007, 09:24 PM	#3
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Lyte Trip: Quote: This is exactly why jref & SLC should not be tolerated for a second. We have enough proof. There should be no debate. The investigation should be into WHO the perpetrators are not IF 9/11 was an inside job. ...There are ZERO holes in the northside claim. Zero. Not even any published witnesses directly contradict it. We now know for sure why Lloyd's claim doesn't make any sense. Still withholding evidence of a huge crime. That's terrible!
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14th April 2007, 09:38 PM	#5
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,901	Are there any rational thinking people posting at LCF? Dylan seems not to have a working relationship with html, and his post makes it look like he is saying what he is trying to say someone else said. Will he change the post after reading this so he does not seem like Imus. Sheen would be the perfect match to play Dylan in the movie version of "An Inconvenient Fraud – Loose Change" ...
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14th April 2007, 09:29 PM	#4
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	I have always wanted to start a "how many people has Merc threatened" thread thought that was too over the top. He has threatened me so I guess I feel honored. I am glad to see though that even Lyte admits he is a thug.

14th April 2007, 09:55 PM	#7
JamesB Master Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,136	Originally Posted by Gravy Lyte Trip: Still withholding evidence of a huge crime. That's terrible! We should not be tolerated? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Are they proposing a final solution over there? It seems like they are in full panic mode.
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14th April 2007, 09:59 PM	#8
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by Bobert I predicted that Dylan would begin cutting ties with the CIT within a couple of months. I guess was off by a couple of months: http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...opic=7371&st=0 My favorite line from Lyte referring to Merc: Every researcher should have a thug as a partner. WOW...just WOW!! It may be a little bit off-topic but Dylans remark is much more important concerning the backgrounds: Dylan: "He is simply the ONLY person in this business willing to put his career on the line to distribute this kind of movie." You know what this means? Some weeks ago he hadn't sign any contract with Cuban, even if they were in California already. Then the information about Sheen as narrator leaked, which may have been a marketing test to see what kind of controversy is out there about the topic. So far, Cuban never mentioned to distribute LC-FC - which means the contract is still not signed until there is an official Statement. Dylans resposes so far was: "Let me do my job", which he repeatet several times. So he also affirms that the contract isn't signed yet. Cuban himself asks Marky to add debunkings to - and now we're talking about the Final Cut again - the movie. This happens after the Sheen-Media-Hype. So Cuban doesn't want to be the Bogey-Man in this kind of controversy. In all this hectic, Dylan had not much time (and Head) to find anything new and important. He was talking about still writing on the script and modeling WTC7 for the script, just a couple of weeks ago. And in this thread about CIT, which is only a few days old, Dylan still avoids to confirm the contract or to tell any details. Guys, I believe there is nothing signed yet - and it probably never will. And even if this will happen, Cuban will ruin the Movies spirit/efficiency - which is a lose/lose situation for the Truth-ment. If Dylan would spread the movie like the other 2 films - he would be a "real Truther" - spreading the word in the best possible way. This type of Situation is more like prostitution, after Dylan spend quite some money into this mess and can't paddle back anymore.
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14th April 2007, 10:17 PM	#9
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Quote: Guys, I believe there is nothing signed yet - and it probably never will. Nope, it hasn't.
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14th April 2007, 10:24 PM	#10
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by MarkyX Nope, it hasn't. Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet" or "Nope, it has been signed"
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15th April 2007, 12:17 AM	#11
Mobyseven President of Covert-Ops Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Not the Rat. Posts: 5,672	Originally Posted by Lyte Trip The investigation should be into WHO the perpetrators are not IF 9/11 was an inside job. If you KNOW that 9/11 was an inside job, doesn't that imply that you know at least who SOME of the perpetrators are?
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15th April 2007, 12:20 AM	#12
DarkMagician Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA Posts: 1,539	Originally Posted by Oliver Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet" or "Nope, it has been signed" I believe he meant the first. In English, "Yes/No" clauses are confusing, so just ignore them and read the rest of the sentence.
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15th April 2007, 12:51 AM	#13
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,603	I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts.

15th April 2007, 12:53 AM	#14
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by DarkMagician I believe he meant the first. In English, "Yes/No" clauses are confusing, so just ignore them and read the rest of the sentence. I guess I have to look into this type of clauses to understand them. Thank you for the tip, DarkMagician.
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15th April 2007, 12:56 AM	#15
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts. To me it looks like if Cuban don't want to appear unpatriotic and this is the reason to add a "balanced", opposite view. Or he's just one of the NWO-JREF'ers.
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15th April 2007, 01:05 AM	#16
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	The LC'ers should be more concerned with what the media is going to do with LC when it is released. Poor Dylan

15th April 2007, 01:07 AM	#17
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,603	That could be. Or maybe he doesn't want to appear stupid. Either way, I don't think there's any way LC:FC gets made without SLC being incorporated into it. My predictions: Dylan will go for it because he wants the money. The fact that he's selling out the Twoofers will not matter to him at all. The movie will be self-debunking and the Twoofers will cry out in outrage over Dylan's betrayal. Dylan will blame Cuban to cover his own a**, while taking the money and retreating to his trailer in Oneonta. The Twoof movement will quickly die, since so many of the Twoofers were counting on LC:FC to be the final blow to the neocons. With no new research, the Twoofers will be reduced to a few angry, somewhat dumb white guys chanting outside Larry Silverstein's office. I predict all of this will happen before January 1, 2010. Randi can send me the million any time after that.

15th April 2007, 01:19 AM	#18
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 That could be. Or maybe he doesn't want to appear stupid. Either way, I don't think there's any way LC:FC gets made without SLC being incorporated into it. My predictions: Dylan will go for it because he wants the money. The fact that he's selling out the Twoofers will not matter to him at all. The movie will be self-debunking and the Twoofers will cry out in outrage over Dylan's betrayal. Dylan will blame Cuban to cover his own a*, while taking the money and retreating to his trailer in Oneonta. The Twoof movement will quickly die, since so many of the Twoofers were counting on LC:FC to be the final blow to the neocons. With no new research, the Twoofers will be reduced to a few angry, somewhat dumb white guys chanting outside Larry Silverstein's office. I predict all of this will happen before January 1, 2010. Randi can send me the million any time after that. LMAO* That was hilarious! - I thought exactly the same. The Truthers will go crazy in anger after the movie is released, and as a result they will send their Chit-tynator to solve the "problems".
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15th April 2007, 01:20 AM	#19
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Originally Posted by jhunter1163 I think that Cuban wants to make a fair and balanced documentary about 9/11, giving both LC and SLC a chance to air their claims. Of course, the LAST thing a Truther wants is fairness and balance. They want to be able to spin and handwave and ignore those inconvenient facts. If Cuban is distributing LC:FC, I'm wondering if he has given Dylan certain conditions: 1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view, or 2) we get someone to do an opposing film and distribute the two together.

15th April 2007, 01:33 AM	#20
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,603	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd If Cuban is distributing LC:FC, I'm wondering if he has given Dylan certain conditions: 1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view, or 2) we get someone to do an opposing film and distribute the two together. Maybe that was what Dylan meant when he said he was trying to keep content. Certain things (no plane at the Pentagon, for example) you KNOW have to go, but other things (explosions in basement of WTC, for example) could go either way. Dylan's caught between a rock and a hard place. He wants to be loyal to his Twoofer base, but he also wants to get the movie made and the wacky stuff ain't gonna fly with Cuban. Dylan's trying to find out just what Cuban's wacky tolerance is. Not that it really matters: whatever arguments make it into LC:FC will be quickly and thoroughly demolished. Dylan and the boys will take the money and slink back to Oneonta, chuckling all the way.

15th April 2007, 02:03 AM	#21
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,893	This is quite hilarious. Dylan has presumably thought himself an "official filmaker" for some time now, someone who will soon be walking down the red carpet but at the same time be that edgy, "rage against the machine" type. Unfortunatly, in recent weeks, it seems that the only person who has shown interest is also going to inlist the help of a bunch of random forum users (By Markyx admission he is not a filmaker). Somehow Avery is realising this is not quite the Earth shattering movie he expected it to be. If Loose Change ever does get made, it will likely just be a little review in the corner of page76 of Empire, with a 2 star rating. Most certainly not a full page spread.
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15th April 2007, 02:04 AM	#22
qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Austrylia Posts: 1,985	Originally Posted by Lyte Trip @ LCF But again......this has nothing to do with the evidence. This should be his sig... ETA: On a more serious note, why are they so concerned about having a rebuttal on the DVD if their case is so water-tight? Surely the evidence can speak for itself.
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15th April 2007, 02:16 AM	#23
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,893	Perhaps Mark Roberts can do the audio commentary on the DVD. "Wrong" "Wrong" "Wrong" "Wrong" "Bad choice of track" "Wrong" "Wrong".

15th April 2007, 06:17 AM	#24
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	I think Cuban got alot of negative press when this hit the media. I think he is now "reassessing" the whole scenario, including an opposing video/movie to support at the same time...as said earlier, he does NOT want to appear unpatriotic. TAM

15th April 2007, 07:02 AM	#25
60hzxtl Muse Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 698	Another lesson for Do-Over Dylan; verbal contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on. Dylan has visions of glory and the red carpet. Sunglasses and Limos. You have to have the product first though. That's why the job is called "producer".
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15th April 2007, 07:12 AM	#26
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Originally Posted by Oliver Did you mean: "Yes, it hasn't been signed yet" or "Nope, it has been signed" It hasn't been signed yet. If Dylan says yes, he is lying. 2nd edition has too many copyright issues and stupid BS to deal with, and LC:FC is probably not past anything that can be remotely published. Quote: 1) Drop the completely wacky, unverifiable crap and present a balanced view This is true. I was even told that if they wanted some debunk information from me, that I should be asking questions as well about the government instead of just "debunking" what Loose Change is saying.
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15th April 2007, 10:04 AM	#27
Bobert Government Loyalist Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kennesaw GA Posts: 4,146	I suspect within a week Merc will turn on Lyte and Dylan will finally clean house of them both. Dylan would not want them around if he is trying to get rid of the "no planers" and sell his movie to Cuban.

15th April 2007, 10:25 AM	#28
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 15,603	Merc is already banned. Lyte is on thin ice there.

15th April 2007, 10:33 AM	#29
David Wong Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,768	I love how that thread devolves into an argument over whether that one guy is actually African-American, or part African-American, or just a white man who talks in "ebonics" for effect. And they debate that with the same angry gravity with which they debate mass murder.
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15th April 2007, 10:35 AM	#30
David Wong Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,768	Remind me, is TerrorCell Merc? Terrorcell: Quote: Now "SLCFC" gets packaged with the LCFC DVD? So the opposition, the nazi's, the side who blindly supports these murdering liars get to tag their propaganda in with it? And those lying bastards get to profit off of it too. "Equal representation" for the other side ******. It's going to be debunked by the best CIA team GHWB can have put together. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have a real hard time accepting rich Texans that want to make sure the Bush family gets equal representation. THE OTHER SIDE HAS BEEN THE ONLY REPRESENTATION FOR THE LAST 6+ YEARS. ON THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 12TH 2001 FAUX NEWS WAS ANNOUNCING THAT ALTHOUGH THERE WERE REPORTS OF BOMBS IN THE BUILDING EXPLODING "OBVIOUSLY THAT WASN'T THE CASE". And where has our "equal representation" been in all of this? Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity insulting a truther for 4 minutes and calling it a segment? QUOTE** dont you want decent debate? Debate class is over. How many people have you spoken with that don't know the towers were blown up? A couple years ago people would get pissed off when I would start telling people about now I find it harder and harder to find someone who disagrees with that unless they spend their day with that great FAUX News Programming! You realize the eyewitness testimony of 2 Pentagon Police officers saying they saw you shoot somebody is enough evidence to put you in jail for the rest of your life, right? And look how much more there is. DEBATE IS DONE. "SKEPTICS" SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS FORUM JUST LIKE THE NO-PLANERS WERE. WE'RE NOT DEBATING ANYMORE. Well, that's certainly reasonable.
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15th April 2007, 11:41 AM	#31
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 6,618	Merc's going to give himself a heart attack like that. ...and then blame it on the CIA attempting to assassinate him.

15th April 2007, 11:45 AM	#32
Matthew Best Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 4,147	Quote: He is simply the ONLY person in this business willing to put his career on the line to distribute this kind of movie. I thought Dylan was meant to be fielding various offers and had a 20 million dollar budget months ago? Now it turns out there's only one person in the whole distribution business who will touch him with a bargepole?

15th April 2007, 12:04 PM	#33
MarkyX Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,158	Man, the 9/11 Deniers are a messed up bunch. All I stated is Mark Cuban contacted me and was interested in learning more about the rebuttal against Loose Change. Nothing has been signed or confirmed yet. Suddenly these kooks are posting conspriacy theories about Dylan, myself, and Mark Cuban. Despite that nothing has happened, they are already making wild accusations and predictions.
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15th April 2007, 12:43 PM	#34
Mince Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,019	Quote: Originally Posted by Headhunter Merc wrote that? That's absurd. Why would he allow his own jealousy to get in the way? Anyone who isn't rooting for LCFC's release nation wide, and globally, is not for the truth movement, but is operating only from selfishly driven ego needs. Headhunter; The video is not going global or even nationwide or even in major theaters, ok? Films produced and distributed by Columbia/Tri-Star, Fox, Paramount, Sony, Time/Warner, etc., go global and nationwide in big theaters. Loose Change is not a film and it is not being produced by a major film producer. It is video, which, apparently, will get distributed by Magnolia pictures. Quit grossly overstating things. Could a Loose Change Forum lackey and/or runner please relay this to Headhunter. I'd do it myself, but those cowards banned me for saying the above. Thank you.
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15th April 2007, 02:01 PM	#35
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,894	Here's a good question: Quote: of course bandanas are more stable than black boxes. black boxes are built to only substain forces of 1000g. is there any scientific calculation of how much g-forces a bandana could absorb? look on wikipedia - there's none! So, how many Gs *could* a bandana take? It's not like they have a lot of internal structure that could be crushed or broken. Anyone here do crash testing? Or, perhaps we could put a bandana in a hydraulic press, to simulate a sudden decelertation. What pressure would you need to break a bandana? Just be sure it's not a "banana". It's an easy typo to make, but would be a mess in the press.
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