Poor Fashion Choice Causes Campus Stir

Ohmer · 18th April 2007, 03:45 PM

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PORTLAND, Ore. - Students at Lewis & Clark College got a scare Wednesday morning when campus officials notified them that a student was on campus with an ammunition belt and ammunition.

But it later turned out that the belt was made of spent ammunition and was just a fashion statement and not dangerous.

I am a staff member at Lewis & Clark. Some of my colleagues have seen this guy wearing his fake ammo belt for weeks. Today there is a freak out. I received a warning email this morning and thought is was a result of hysteria. Turns out I was correct. I wonder how long the hyper-sensitivity will last?

I wonder if this guy had any idea this would happen when he put his belt on this morning. It's not the first time he's worn it to campus.

EvilSmurf · 18th April 2007, 05:24 PM

It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually.

Alt+F4 · 18th April 2007, 05:41 PM

Let's forget for a minute that bullet belts are sooooo 80s....at the (high) school in which I teach they have been on the banned list forever. Why do you think it would ever be appropriate to wear that to school?

Unabogie · 18th April 2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Ohmer

Student wearing fake ammo belt detained

I am a staff member at Lewis & Clark. Some of my colleagues have seen this guy wearing his fake ammo belt for weeks. Today there is a freak out. I received a warning email this morning and thought is was a result of hysteria. Turns out I was correct. I wonder how long the hyper-sensitivity will last?

I wonder if this guy had any idea this would happen when he put his belt on this morning. It's not the first time he's worn it to campus.

Ohmer, I live right up the street from where you work.

Small world.

Solus · 18th April 2007, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by EvilSmurf

It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually.

Agreed, hopefully the boy or girl learns a lesson from this.

Foolmewunz · 18th April 2007, 11:23 PM

I don't know that I'd call it "hyper-sensitive". It is an ammo belt, after all. Would it have been acceptable to show up with a fake AK47?

gtc · 18th April 2007, 11:48 PM

I thought it would be common sense to assume that if you choose to look like you are armed, people will treat you like you are armed.

The Painter · 19th April 2007, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by gtc

I thought it would be common sense to assume that if you choose to look like you are armed, people will treat you like you are armed.

Does this look like she’s armed? It just looks hot.

Lonewulf · 19th April 2007, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by EvilSmurf

It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually.

Possibly.

But did the person involved ever wear it before?

brodski · 19th April 2007, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Possibly.

But did the person involved ever wear it before?

According to the OP, yes.

bob_kark · 19th April 2007, 06:43 AM

It's a little soon, don't you think?

Walk The Line · 19th April 2007, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Painter

Does this look like she’s armed? It just looks hot.

My suggestion: More leg, fewer bullets.

ETA: Whoops, the person who made the fashion statement was male and not female. In that case, I vote fewer bullets AND fewer leg.

alfaniner · 19th April 2007, 07:34 AM

Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people.

BPSCG · 19th April 2007, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks.

That was my reaction. Along with the question, "If this is supposed to be a 'fashion statement,' what statement was he trying to make?"

I like looking pseudo-military;
Bullets = phallic symbols = me muy macho;
I support our troops/local police/campus crazies;
Don't #$% with me - I own and know how to handle weapons (and I bet he doesn't);
Other (please describe).

brodski · 19th April 2007, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

That was my reaction. Along with the question, "If this is supposed to be a 'fashion statement,' what statement was he trying to make?"

I like looking pseudo-military;
Bullets = phallic symbols = me muy macho;
I support our troops/local police/campus crazies;
Don't #$% with me - I own and know how to handle weapons (and I bet he doesn't);
Other (please describe).

6) Good god, is it 1987 already? Where does the time go?

sackett · 19th April 2007, 08:21 AM

80s? Hell's afire, folks, that bullet fashion junk came and went (I thought it went!) as far back as 1969.

These kids nowadays.

NobbyNobbs · 19th April 2007, 08:23 AM

And come the one day when he *does* go crazy and shoot people, the interviewees afterward would say, "We didn't know. There weren't any warning signs. We just thought it was a fashion statement."

Mephisto · 19th April 2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people.

It also might not be obvious to people that a firearm that would use those rounds wouldn't be easily concealable. Next, we're going to be calling the police on Asian guys with short hair wearing photographer's vests and their baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team).

alfaniner · 19th April 2007, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

Next, we're going to be calling the police on Asian guys with short hair wearing photographer's vests and their baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team).

Or a photographer. Or a stargazer.

My sister-in-law once griped that I had my baseball cap on backwards and that it was useless and stupid to wear it that way. It was dark. And cool, so I wanted something on my head. We were walking in a group to the dock to do some stargazing. I gently explained this to her.

Ohmer · 19th April 2007, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Foolmewunz

I don't know that I'd call it "hyper-sensitive". It is an ammo belt, after all. Would it have been acceptable to show up with a fake AK47?

I only call it "hyper-sensitive" because this kid has been wearing the thing for some time. A week ago no one cared. Now the campus is preparing to lock down.

He went from 80's retro fashion to homicidal maniac because of an event that nothing to do with him. It's a strange kind of woo that occurs after a tragic event. People overreact to relatively mundane things. He didn't change. People's reaction to him changed drastically. This is pretty normal but I don't think it's any more rational than all the appeals to a deity that generally occur after something like this.

He received a "stern talking to" by the dean of students. He must learn to be more sensitive to irrational fear. He should wait at least another six months before wearing his silly belt again.

I should say that most of my peers here reacted quite rationally. We weren't scared and saw it for what it was very quickly. The upper administration and campus safety did what they thought they had to do. I don't blame them.

On my way home yesterday I had to dodge a couple local TV new reporters getting their shots for the evening news. I wonder if this kid had any idea he would be on local news when buckled the ammo belt he had worn to school so many times.

To answer your question, a fake AK47 would have gotten him in trouble a week ago as well as yesterday.

Pope130 · 19th April 2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people.

They were "drill rounds". That is cartridge case and bullet, but no powder or primer, so were completely inert. They were loaded in a disintegrating link machine gun belt. I can't be certain from the news pictures, but it appeared to be a current NATO standard link belt and 7.62 rounds.
Grammer Police: A "round" is a complete item of ammunition, consisting of a cartridge case, bullet, primer and powder. The bullet, which is what I think you were inquiring about, is just the projectile.

Robert

Ohmer · 19th April 2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

That was my reaction. Along with the question, "If this is supposed to be a 'fashion statement,' what statement was he trying to make?"

I like looking pseudo-military;
Bullets = phallic symbols = me muy macho;
I support our troops/local police/campus crazies;
Don't #$% with me - I own and know how to handle weapons (and I bet he doesn't);
Other (please describe).

Now now. What were you wearing when you were 18-22 years old? I saw a male student yesterday wearing bright yellow pants with this

pattern all over them. I didn't take my eyes off him until I was safely inside the building.

Ohmer · 19th April 2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

Ohmer, I live right up the street from where you work.

Small world.

Cool. I live near campus too. Did you see the news vans?

If you see someone walking two hyper black dogs it's probably me. They don't fear ammo belts.

Lonewulf · 19th April 2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by bob_kark

It's a little soon, don't you think?

Little soon to what? To dress the way he's been dressing for school?

I don't get it. He should suddenly change his entire clothing style and expression of self, the way he's been dressing since before this incident, just to calm a few irrational nerves? How the hell does that make sense? He's become a different person overnight or something?

Originally Posted by Nobbynobbs

And come the one day when he *does* go crazy and shoot people, the interviewees afterward would say, "We didn't know. There weren't any warning signs. We just thought it was a fashion statement."

Yes, yes, anyone that dresses up in military camos is going to go crazy and kill people.

Anyone that uses an "ammo belt" like that is going to go crazy and kill people.

Anyone that's a Korean Male that wears baseball caps is going to go crazy and kill people.

Violent games!

Violent movies!

Starring in a teen magazine! (Wait, how'd that get in here?)

Pfft. Fools.

BPSCG · 19th April 2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Ohmer

Now now. What were you wearing when you were 18-22 years old?

Striped bell-bottoms, of course. Anything else would be weird.

Unabogie · 19th April 2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Ohmer

Cool. I live near campus too. Did you see the news vans?

If you see someone walking two hyper black dogs it's probably me. They don't fear ammo belts.

No, I didn't drive near the school, so I didn't see anything.

And as for spotting you walking two black dogs: this is Portland. How would I distinguish you from the other people walking their black dogs? When we moved here we were told that every citizen needed a driver's license and two standard issue black dogs.

:-)

ClintonHammond · 19th April 2007, 12:39 PM

Student wearing fake ammo belt detained

that's FN stupid.. it's just a belt... and even if it WAS real bullets... Bullets can't hurt you without a gun to fire them....

Holy over-reactionary Batman...

Lonewulf · 19th April 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by ClintonHammond

that's FN stupid.. it's just a belt... and even if it WAS real bullets... Bullets can't hurt you without a gun to fire them....

(emphasis mine)

Uhhhhhh...

Yes they can.

The gunpowder and primer do not case to exist without a gun to fire them. That primer can still be ignited, though you'd lose any sort of accuracy, and it's hard to unintentionally set it off...

But there have been cases where people have been harmed by primed and "armed" bullets without use in a gun. They're just very very rare.

Otherwise, you're right.

ClintonHammond · 19th April 2007, 01:18 PM

Thank you Mr. pedantic.... :-P

If you're going to worry about things that rare, don't ever go outside, cause no matter where you live, there's a chance you'll be trampled by a herd of runaway Zebra....

This whole 'issue' if FN stupid.... It's just a belt.... and an ugly one at that.... Move along....

Ladewig · 19th April 2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mephisto

baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team).

Stupider than sideways baseball caps?

Upchurch · 19th April 2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

Let's forget for a minute that bullet belts are sooooo 80s....

I've been informed that the 80s fashion has come back around again already. I have no idea if it's true, but finally my chuck taylor's and I feel vindicated.

Lonewulf · 19th April 2007, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by ClintonHammond

Thank you Mr. pedantic.... :-P

If you're going to worry about things that rare, don't ever go outside, cause no matter where you live, there's a chance you'll be trampled by a herd of runaway Zebra....

Well, I know of incidences where people have died from bullets without guns, but not runaway zebra. Notably, I know of one single incident (anecodtes ftw!), where the individual was a child that was pulling out firepowder from bullets to use in rocket experiments. The firepowder ignited somehow, and I don't know *how* it did injury to him, but it did.

Anyways, it's still an extreme example, and is nothing like wearing bullets, so I think I'll call myself Mr. Pedantic from now on. It's only fair, really.

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This whole 'issue' if FN stupid.... It's just a belt...

Agreed.

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and an ugly one at that....

Disagreed. I like that kind of ammo belt.

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Move along....

Agreed.

skeptifem · 19th April 2007, 05:54 PM

this happened at my school too, same belt lol. and someone else had a tiny metal replica of a knife as a keychain and got suspended, it seriously wasnt even an inch long including the fake tiny handle. it puzzles me that its ok until ___ happens and then everyone throws a fit.

bob_kark · 20th April 2007, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Little soon to what? To dress the way he's been dressing for school?

I don't get it. He should suddenly change his entire clothing style and expression of self, the way he's been dressing since before this incident, just to calm a few irrational nerves? How the hell does that make sense? He's become a different person overnight or something?

Just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean they're right in doing so. Fred Phelps has the right to protest soldier's funerals, for example. While it may or may not have effected you, the massacre in Virginia has deeply effected many, causing depression, anger, mourning, etc... This is not irrational in the least. While I would never want to take away this student's right to wear whatever they want, I can still believe that it's a bit careless and insensitive to wear a bandoleer to school right after 30 people are slaughtered by a gun toting maniac.

Lonewulf · 20th April 2007, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by bob_kark

Just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean they're right in doing so.

Such as forcing someone to change how they dress after an incident, as if the person has somehow changed?

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Fred Phelps has the right to protest soldier's funerals, for example.

Doesn't compare. Student wearing something that he's always been wearing and no one had a problem with beforehand, does not compare with going out of your way to insult the families of dead soldiers. If you really think that they do, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you.

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While it may or may not have effected you, the massacre in Virginia has deeply effected many, causing depression, anger, mourning, etc... This is not irrational in the least.

Punishing a student for doing what he's been doing is irrational.

The student's behavior has not changed, nor his attire. I don't see why this is so hard for you to comprehend.

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While I would never want to take away this student's right to wear whatever they want, I can still believe that it's a bit careless and insensitive to wear a bandoleer to school right after 30 people are slaughtered by a gun toting maniac.

And I believe that it's overly emotional and irrational to assume that the person has suddenly become a different person after the event.

Just like I believe that the Zero Tolerance policies after Columbine were utter horsespit, and utterly irrational.

Next?

BPSCG · 20th April 2007, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

Such as forcing someone to change how they dress after an incident, as if the person has somehow changed?

(...snip...)

Next?

I have to go along with bob_kark on this. The fact that something isn't illegal doesn't means it's therefore a good idea. Yeah, the student involved certainly had the right to dress as he wished, but it seems to me a reasonable person could foresee that the day after a mass shooting, someone would see bullets and freak out, whether justified or not. None of us lives in a vacuum; you have to take into account how what you do affects others. The student would probably have been wise to consider whether or not this week was a good one to give the world the impression he likes to shoot guns.

Lonewulf · 20th April 2007, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

I have to go along with bob_kark on this. The fact that something isn't illegal doesn't means it's therefore a good idea. Yeah, the student involved certainly had the right to dress as he wished, but it seems to me a reasonable person could foresee that the day after a mass shooting, someone would see bullets and freak out, whether justified or not. None of us lives in a vacuum; you have to take into account how what you do affects others. The student would probably have been wise to consider whether or not this week was a good one to give the world the impression he likes to shoot guns.

Whereas, a week earlier, he wore the exact same thing with no ill effect.

I really don't get the point here. I'm not going to go adjusting my lifestyle according to everyone else's fears.

I'm not going to stop talking about games when a gamer goes crazy and kills people.

I'm not going to stop listening to music when someone that listened to music goes around and kills people.

I'm not going to stop wearing shirts that bear the logo of my favorite band, if a fan of that band goes and kills people.

I'm not going to change how I dress, how I am, or who I am just because someone goes around and kills people.

The decision to suddenly attack this person for something he was fully able to do earlier is irrational. If he did suddenly walk into school one day, right after the shootings, and had no prior history? That's a different situation. This is not that situation. So I really can't sympathize with the irrational knee-jerkers. Sorry.

Jaggy Bunnet · 20th April 2007, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Lonewulf

If he did suddenly walk into school one day, right after the shootings, and had no prior history? That's a different situation. This is not that situation. So I really can't sympathize with the irrational knee-jerkers. Sorry.

Is there any evidence that whoever complained about it knew that it was his habit to dress this way?

Do you totally disregard the possibility that someone who had not even registered him wearing the belt in the past might be more inclined to notice such things given recent events?

corplinx · 20th April 2007, 09:13 AM

I think the reason parachute pants went out of fashion was an overreaction to the move Red Dawn where russian paratroopers shot up a school. Obviously, parachute pants were siding with the commies.

Lonewulf · 20th April 2007, 09:15 AM

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18th April 2007, 03:45 PM	#1
Ohmer Muse Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 678	Poor Fashion Choice Causes Campus Stir Student wearing fake ammo belt detained Quote: PORTLAND, Ore. - Students at Lewis & Clark College got a scare Wednesday morning when campus officials notified them that a student was on campus with an ammunition belt and ammunition. But it later turned out that the belt was made of spent ammunition and was just a fashion statement and not dangerous. I am a staff member at Lewis & Clark. Some of my colleagues have seen this guy wearing his fake ammo belt for weeks. Today there is a freak out. I received a warning email this morning and thought is was a result of hysteria. Turns out I was correct. I wonder how long the hyper-sensitivity will last? I wonder if this guy had any idea this would happen when he put his belt on this morning. It's not the first time he's worn it to campus.

18th April 2007, 05:24 PM	#2
EvilSmurf JREF Bowl Pool Champion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The USA Posts: 1,551	It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually.
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18th April 2007, 05:41 PM	#3
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	Let's forget for a minute that bullet belts are sooooo 80s....at the (high) school in which I teach they have been on the banned list forever. Why do you think it would ever be appropriate to wear that to school?
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18th April 2007, 11:23 PM	#6
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,520	I don't know that I'd call it "hyper-sensitive". It is an ammo belt, after all. Would it have been acceptable to show up with a fake AK47?
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19th April 2007, 06:01 AM	#9
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by EvilSmurf It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually. Possibly. But did the person involved ever wear it before?
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18th April 2007, 05:50 PM	#4
Unabogie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,857	Originally Posted by Ohmer Student wearing fake ammo belt detained I am a staff member at Lewis & Clark. Some of my colleagues have seen this guy wearing his fake ammo belt for weeks. Today there is a freak out. I received a warning email this morning and thought is was a result of hysteria. Turns out I was correct. I wonder how long the hyper-sensitivity will last? I wonder if this guy had any idea this would happen when he put his belt on this morning. It's not the first time he's worn it to campus. Ohmer, I live right up the street from where you work. Small world.

18th April 2007, 05:53 PM	#5
Solus Tinkering with my brain Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: L.A. area Posts: 1,723	Originally Posted by EvilSmurf It's really REALLY dumb to wear that belt just days after a school shooting btw actually. Agreed, hopefully the boy or girl learns a lesson from this.

18th April 2007, 11:48 PM	#7
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	I thought it would be common sense to assume that if you choose to look like you are armed, people will treat you like you are armed.

19th April 2007, 03:27 AM	#8
The Painter Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York Posts: 2,656	Originally Posted by gtc I thought it would be common sense to assume that if you choose to look like you are armed, people will treat you like you are armed. Does this look like she’s armed? It just looks hot.

19th April 2007, 06:11 AM	#10
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,086	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Possibly. But did the person involved ever wear it before? According to the OP, yes.
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19th April 2007, 06:43 AM	#11
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 4,115	It's a little soon, don't you think?
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19th April 2007, 07:06 AM	#12
Walk The Line We ARE Virginia Tech Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 936	Originally Posted by The Painter Does this look like she’s armed? It just looks hot. My suggestion: More leg, fewer bullets. ETA: Whoops, the person who made the fashion statement was male and not female. In that case, I vote fewer bullets AND fewer leg.
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19th April 2007, 07:34 AM	#13
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,390	Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people.
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19th April 2007, 07:51 AM	#14
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by alfaniner Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. That was my reaction. Along with the question, "If this is supposed to be a 'fashion statement,' what statement was he trying to make?" I like looking pseudo-military; Bullets = phallic symbols = me muy macho; I support our troops/local police/campus crazies; Don't #$% with me - I own and know how to handle weapons (and I bet he doesn't); Other (please describe).
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19th April 2007, 08:14 AM	#15
brodski Tea-Time toad Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15,086	Originally Posted by BPSCG That was my reaction. Along with the question, "If this is supposed to be a 'fashion statement,' what statement was he trying to make?" I like looking pseudo-military; Bullets = phallic symbols = me muy macho; I support our troops/local police/campus crazies; Don't #$% with me - I own and know how to handle weapons (and I bet he doesn't); Other (please describe). 6) Good god, is it 1987 already? Where does the time go?
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19th April 2007, 08:21 AM	#16
sackett Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 3,619	80s? Hell's afire, folks, that bullet fashion junk came and went (I thought it went!) as far back as 1969. These kids nowadays.
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19th April 2007, 08:27 AM	#18
Mephisto Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: in a state of disbelief Posts: 6,065	Originally Posted by alfaniner Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people. It also might not be obvious to people that a firearm that would use those rounds wouldn't be easily concealable. Next, we're going to be calling the police on Asian guys with short hair wearing photographer's vests and their baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team).
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19th April 2007, 09:33 AM	#19
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,390	Originally Posted by Mephisto Next, we're going to be calling the police on Asian guys with short hair wearing photographer's vests and their baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team). Or a photographer. Or a stargazer. My sister-in-law once griped that I had my baseball cap on backwards and that it was useless and stupid to wear it that way. It was dark. And cool, so I wanted something on my head. We were walking in a group to the dock to do some stargazing. I gently explained this to her.
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19th April 2007, 10:03 AM	#20
Ohmer Muse Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 678	Originally Posted by Foolmewunz I don't know that I'd call it "hyper-sensitive". It is an ammo belt, after all. Would it have been acceptable to show up with a fake AK47? I only call it "hyper-sensitive" because this kid has been wearing the thing for some time. A week ago no one cared. Now the campus is preparing to lock down. He went from 80's retro fashion to homicidal maniac because of an event that nothing to do with him. It's a strange kind of woo that occurs after a tragic event. People overreact to relatively mundane things. He didn't change. People's reaction to him changed drastically. This is pretty normal but I don't think it's any more rational than all the appeals to a deity that generally occur after something like this. He received a "stern talking to" by the dean of students. He must learn to be more sensitive to irrational fear. He should wait at least another six months before wearing his silly belt again. I should say that most of my peers here reacted quite rationally. We weren't scared and saw it for what it was very quickly. The upper administration and campus safety did what they thought they had to do. I don't blame them. On my way home yesterday I had to dodge a couple local TV new reporters getting their shots for the evening news. I wonder if this kid had any idea he would be on local news when buckled the ammo belt he had worn to school so many times. To answer your question, a fake AK47 would have gotten him in trouble a week ago as well as yesterday.

19th April 2007, 10:16 AM	#21
Pope130 Muse Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 965	Originally Posted by alfaniner Were there actually rounds in the thing? (The bullets sticking out of the casings). I can certainly see that as more cause for alarm than a belt of blanks. Of course, it might not be obvious to most people. They were "drill rounds". That is cartridge case and bullet, but no powder or primer, so were completely inert. They were loaded in a disintegrating link machine gun belt. I can't be certain from the news pictures, but it appeared to be a current NATO standard link belt and 7.62 rounds. Grammer Police: A "round" is a complete item of ammunition, consisting of a cartridge case, bullet, primer and powder. The bullet, which is what I think you were inquiring about, is just the projectile. Robert

19th April 2007, 10:43 AM	#23
Ohmer Muse Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 678	Originally Posted by Unabogie Ohmer, I live right up the street from where you work. Small world. Cool. I live near campus too. Did you see the news vans? If you see someone walking two hyper black dogs it's probably me. They don't fear ammo belts.
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19th April 2007, 10:52 AM	#24
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by bob_kark It's a little soon, don't you think? Little soon to what? To dress the way he's been dressing for school? I don't get it. He should suddenly change his entire clothing style and expression of self, the way he's been dressing since before this incident, just to calm a few irrational nerves? How the hell does that make sense? He's become a different person overnight or something? Originally Posted by Nobbynobbs And come the one day when he does go crazy and shoot people, the interviewees afterward would say, "We didn't know. There weren't any warning signs. We just thought it was a fashion statement." Yes, yes, anyone that dresses up in military camos is going to go crazy and kill people. Anyone that uses an "ammo belt" like that is going to go crazy and kill people. Anyone that's a Korean Male that wears baseball caps is going to go crazy and kill people. Violent games! Violent movies! Starring in a teen magazine! (Wait, how'd that get in here?) Pfft. Fools.
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19th April 2007, 11:16 AM	#25
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Ohmer Now now. What were you wearing when you were 18-22 years old? Striped bell-bottoms, of course. Anything else would be weird.
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19th April 2007, 11:38 AM	#26
Unabogie Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,857	Originally Posted by Ohmer Cool. I live near campus too. Did you see the news vans? If you see someone walking two hyper black dogs it's probably me. They don't fear ammo belts. No, I didn't drive near the school, so I didn't see anything. And as for spotting you walking two black dogs: this is Portland. How would I distinguish you from the other people walking their black dogs? When we moved here we were told that every citizen needed a driver's license and two standard issue black dogs. :-)

19th April 2007, 12:39 PM	#27
ClintonHammond Guest Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Windsor Ontario Canada Posts: 871	Student wearing fake ammo belt detained that's FN stupid.. it's just a belt... and even if it WAS real bullets... Bullets can't hurt you without a gun to fire them.... Holy over-reactionary Batman...

19th April 2007, 01:11 PM	#28
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by ClintonHammond that's FN stupid.. it's just a belt... and even if it WAS real bullets... Bullets can't hurt you without a gun to fire them.... (emphasis mine) Uhhhhhh... Yes they can. The gunpowder and primer do not case to exist without a gun to fire them. That primer can still be ignited, though you'd lose any sort of accuracy, and it's hard to unintentionally set it off... But there have been cases where people have been harmed by primed and "armed" bullets without use in a gun. They're just very very rare. Otherwise, you're right.
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19th April 2007, 01:18 PM	#29
ClintonHammond Guest Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Windsor Ontario Canada Posts: 871	Thank you Mr. pedantic.... :-P If you're going to worry about things that rare, don't ever go outside, cause no matter where you live, there's a chance you'll be trampled by a herd of runaway Zebra.... This whole 'issue' if FN stupid.... It's just a belt.... and an ugly one at that.... Move along....

19th April 2007, 01:25 PM	#30
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,821	Originally Posted by Mephisto baseball caps on backwards (which is the stupidest fashion ever unless you're a SWAT sniper or the catcher on a baseball team). Stupider than sideways baseball caps?
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19th April 2007, 01:28 PM	#31
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: Funky Town (STL, MO) Posts: 23,426	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 Let's forget for a minute that bullet belts are sooooo 80s.... I've been informed that the 80s fashion has come back around again already. I have no idea if it's true, but finally my chuck taylor's and I feel vindicated.

19th April 2007, 04:12 PM	#32
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by ClintonHammond Thank you Mr. pedantic.... :-P If you're going to worry about things that rare, don't ever go outside, cause no matter where you live, there's a chance you'll be trampled by a herd of runaway Zebra.... Well, I know of incidences where people have died from bullets without guns, but not runaway zebra. Notably, I know of one single incident (anecodtes ftw!), where the individual was a child that was pulling out firepowder from bullets to use in rocket experiments. The firepowder ignited somehow, and I don't know how it did injury to him, but it did. Anyways, it's still an extreme example, and is nothing like wearing bullets, so I think I'll call myself Mr. Pedantic from now on. It's only fair, really. Quote: This whole 'issue' if FN stupid.... It's just a belt... Agreed. Quote: and an ugly one at that.... Disagreed. I like that kind of ammo belt. Quote: Move along.... Agreed.
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19th April 2007, 05:54 PM	#33
skeptifem is not beauty 2K compliant Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,259	this happened at my school too, same belt lol. and someone else had a tiny metal replica of a knife as a keychain and got suspended, it seriously wasnt even an inch long including the fake tiny handle. it puzzles me that its ok until ___ happens and then everyone throws a fit.
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20th April 2007, 04:47 AM	#34
bob_kark Person of Hench Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Globalist H.Q., 25th floor, 5th room on the right. Posts: 4,115	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Little soon to what? To dress the way he's been dressing for school? I don't get it. He should suddenly change his entire clothing style and expression of self, the way he's been dressing since before this incident, just to calm a few irrational nerves? How the hell does that make sense? He's become a different person overnight or something? Just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean they're right in doing so. Fred Phelps has the right to protest soldier's funerals, for example. While it may or may not have effected you, the massacre in Virginia has deeply effected many, causing depression, anger, mourning, etc... This is not irrational in the least. While I would never want to take away this student's right to wear whatever they want, I can still believe that it's a bit careless and insensitive to wear a bandoleer to school right after 30 people are slaughtered by a gun toting maniac.
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20th April 2007, 07:39 AM	#35
Lonewulf Humanistic Cyborg Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,380	Originally Posted by bob_kark Just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean they're right in doing so. Such as forcing someone to change how they dress after an incident, as if the person has somehow changed? Quote: Fred Phelps has the right to protest soldier's funerals, for example. Doesn't compare. Student wearing something that he's always been wearing and no one had a problem with beforehand, does not compare with going out of your way to insult the families of dead soldiers. If you really think that they do, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you. Quote: While it may or may not have effected you, the massacre in Virginia has deeply effected many, causing depression, anger, mourning, etc... This is not irrational in the least. Punishing a student for doing what he's been doing is irrational. The student's behavior has not changed, nor his attire. I don't see why this is so hard for you to comprehend. Quote: While I would never want to take away this student's right to wear whatever they want, I can still believe that it's a bit careless and insensitive to wear a bandoleer to school right after 30 people are slaughtered by a gun toting maniac. And I believe that it's overly emotional and irrational to assume that the person has suddenly become a different person after the event. Just like I believe that the Zero Tolerance policies after Columbine were utter horsespit, and utterly irrational. Next?
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20th April 2007, 08:21 AM	#36
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by Lonewulf Such as forcing someone to change how they dress after an incident, as if the person has somehow changed? (...snip...) Next? I have to go along with bob_kark on this. The fact that something isn't illegal doesn't means it's therefore a good idea. Yeah, the student involved certainly had the *right* to dress as he wished, but it seems to me a reasonable person could foresee that the day after a mass shooting, someone would see bullets and freak out, whether justified or not. None of us lives in a vacuum; you have to take into account how what you do affects others. The student would probably have been wise to consider whether or not this week was a good one to give the world the impression he likes to shoot guns.
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