The Third Roberts-Fetzer Debate

pomeroo · 25th April 2007, 12:57 PM

Oddly, Google processed the third program before the
second. It can be found at http://tinyurl.com/yurzs4

Undesired Walrus · 25th April 2007, 01:02 PM

That suit start to smell a bit after 3 weeks then?

T.A.M. · 25th April 2007, 01:36 PM

ok, so overall, Mark clearly dominated....the first part excluded.

Well done Mark....left him in the dust. In the end I almost thought he might switch sides.

TAM

~enigma~ · 25th April 2007, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by T.A.M.

ok, so overall, Mark clearly dominated....the first part excluded.

Well done Mark....left him in the dust. In the end I almost thought he might switch sides.

TAM

Would we be under any obligation to accept him?

HyJinX · 25th April 2007, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

Would we be under any obligation to accept him?

We are a bit understaffed in the NWO Custodial Arts Department.

Unfit4Command · 25th April 2007, 02:21 PM

Just finished watching the last two debates. Ron and Mark both did a great job, Fetzer jumped around so many times I had trouble following the debate a few times.

Good job both of you

Unsecured Coins · 25th April 2007, 02:23 PM

Fetzer - You're a conspiracy theorist!!

Gravy - That's great.

I lol'd

Pardalis · 25th April 2007, 02:23 PM

Yes, great shows indeed, but I agree with gumboot in the first Debate thread, the next show should be about one topic, and one topic only. Force the twoofer to face the answers to his/her questions.

WildCat · 25th April 2007, 02:25 PM

Holy crap, Fetzer even repeats the "Mike the EMT" claim that there was a countdown for the destruction of WTC 7.

T.A.M. · 25th April 2007, 02:27 PM

well what do you expect, he is still clinging on to the "No hijackers on the passenger manifests" line...

Him and Griffin....they are like the Dinosaurs of the twoof movement.

TAM

CHF · 25th April 2007, 02:32 PM

Ron, I loved it when you nailed Fetzer on the FDNY/WTC7.

Daald · 25th April 2007, 02:37 PM

Damn, Fetzer is annoying. I think he talks because he likes the sound of his voice.

CHF · 25th April 2007, 02:40 PM

And Mark caps off the rout by showing what a piss poor researcher Fetzer is.

"Google Ladder 3!"

Indeed.

Undesired Walrus · 25th April 2007, 02:41 PM

Is Fetzer going to turn into a new Bart Sibrel now? Getting fireman under oath?

CHF · 25th April 2007, 02:44 PM

Get on the phone and give them a ring and ask them what happened to their firetruck.

That's a good idea, huh?

Awsome!

Par · 25th April 2007, 02:56 PM

Am I mistaken or at around 26:50 did Fetzer say "In fact, virtually nothing the government has told us is false"? If so, heh.

R.Mackey · 25th April 2007, 03:13 PM

Wow again!

Fetzie: That's not in my special area of expertise!
"The Scourge:" Jim, you've referred to yourself as a generalist...

(paraphrase)

I'd have to agree that Fetzer offers no actual intellectual content, but this was a heck of a lively debate, and offers a beautiful glimpse into the maelstrom that is a conspiracist's mind. Well done, Ron and Mark!

pgwenthold · 25th April 2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Pardalis

Yes, great shows indeed, but I agree with gumboot in the first Debate thread, the next show should be about one topic, and one topic only. Force the twoofer to face the answers to his/her questions.

I've said this many times before. THe only way that anyone should ever agree to a debate is to narrow the topic significantly. "Was 9/11 an inside job?" is waaaaayyyyy too broad.

A good moderator will know the arguments that will come up (as should the debaters). If not, let each side submit a position paper summarizing their arguments. Then, pick out the most important points that each side will make and focus on them.

TOPIC 1: Did planes hit WTC1 and WTC2?

Anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, or even how the towers fell is immediately moderated back to the topic.

Discuss it until there is a resolution, or at least all that can be said has been said. Then move on to topic 2, which might be something like "How much steel was left after the buildings fell?"

Again, anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, how the towers fell, or whether or not planes hit the towers is immediately moderated back to the topic.

The key is to make the debaters focus on a specific topic and not allow room to jump all over the place.

~enigma~ · 25th April 2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I've said this many times before. THe only way that anyone should ever agree to a debate is to narrow the topic significantly. "Was 9/11 an inside job?" is waaaaayyyyy too broad.

A good moderator will know the arguments that will come up (as should the debaters). If not, let each side submit a position paper summarizing their arguments. Then, pick out the most important points that each side will make and focus on them.

TOPIC 1: Did planes hit WTC1 and WTC2?

Anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, or even how the towers fell is immediately moderated back to the topic.

Discuss it until there is a resolution, or at least all that can be said has been said. Then move on to topic 2, which might be something like "How much steel was left after the buildings fell?"

Again, anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, how the towers fell, or whether or not planes hit the towers is immediately moderated back to the topic.

The key is to make the debaters focus on a specific topic and not allow room to jump all over the place.

That would be a very short debate and one in which there were no truthers taking part. They (the woo like uncle Fester) can't allow themselves to be cornered and forced to look at their arguments.

HyJinX · 25th April 2007, 03:58 PM

I am, as will always be, forever amazed at the amount of information that Mark and Ron are able to retain and recite on a moments notice to negate the lies told by people like ol' uncle fetzer (doesn't deserve caps). I could watch 10 more episodes between the 3 of you...the entertainment value (and the critical thinking value of some of you) is priceless.

Thank you Mark. Thank you Ron. Your abilities to rise above the ridiculous in order to convey the obvious is truly inspiring.

My hat is off to you both.

~enigma~ · 25th April 2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by HyJinX

I am, as will always be, forever amazed at the amount of information that Mark and Ron are able to retain and recite on a moments notice to negate the lies told by people like ol' uncle fetzer (doesn't deserve caps). I could watch 10 more episodes between the 3 of you...the entertainment value (and the critical thinking value of some of you) is priceless.

Thank you Mark. Thank you Ron. Your abilities to rise above the ridiculous in order to convey the obvious is truly inspiring.

My hat is off to you both.

I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester.

The Doc · 25th April 2007, 04:08 PM

Ah excellent

I'll watch ASAP.

By the sounds of it, I'm in for some fun.

CHF · 25th April 2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester.

The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much.

Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now."

I admire his patience.

ryanebelhar · 25th April 2007, 04:28 PM

Wow. I tend to stay out of verbal debates because there is no way I couldn't just start screaming and cursing. Kudos for not doing that.

pgwenthold · 25th April 2007, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by ~enigma~

That would be a very short debate and one in which there were no truthers taking part. They (the woo like uncle Fester) can't allow themselves to be cornered and forced to look at their arguments.

Exactly.

That's why you do it.

Run a debate by rational rules, NOT by allowing CTists to scatter data randomly and move goalposts.

Randi always says, don't let the mice run the experiment. That's what you are doing if you let the debate format get out of hand. Better to not show up then to let it go haphazardly. When they complain, you just tell the truth. You are willing to dabate specific topics, anytime, anywhere.

T.A.M. · 25th April 2007, 06:14 PM

Trying to get Fetzer to stick to one topic is like trying to get someone with ADHD to "focus"...

Actually, i wonder if Fetzer might not have ADHD. He definitely exhibits the hyperactivity, and without a doubt has trouble focusing on a single topic or issue. If I didnt suspect it was part of his debating "tactics" I'd say there is a good case to be made.

TAM

Totovader · 25th April 2007, 06:15 PM

THE FIREPROOFING WAS ASBESTOS?

Holy crap. I mean, there's a ton of nonsense claims- but Fetzer really made a stupid claim, here.

~enigma~ · 25th April 2007, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by CHF

The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much.

Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now."

I admire his patience.

That line cracked me up...I wonder if it was an intimidation ploy or just a quirk of a whacky old guy. All I can say is uncle Fester was an extremely disrespectful buffon when he attempted to poo-poo Mark out of the conversation as if he was saying "let the men talk." That is one of the main reasons why I will continue to refer to uncle Fester as a piece of woo.

Totovader · 25th April 2007, 06:33 PM

By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible.

There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped.

Totovader · 25th April 2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Totovader

By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible.

There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped.

Found it:

Originally Posted by FIREFIGHTER JOHN CERIELLO

Q:When you saw the apparatus, any apparatus numbers you can remember and where they were parked?

A. Yeah, I remember Rescue 1, obviously, right under the north walkway, the high-rise unit 3 from Engine 3, the high-rise unit. I remember rifling through that truck looking for tools and cylinders; a number of different engine
companies, thinking the chauffeur's mask would be available.
But I cannot say exactly which engine companies. I believe Ladder 3 was right there.

Source

Thunder · 25th April 2007, 06:54 PM

Fetzer clearly changes topics when he feels cornered. Poor guy.

Hyperviolet · 25th April 2007, 07:03 PM

Ok i think Fetzer definetely controlled the first debate, using his rapid fire scatter gun approach. The 2nd debate was in Marks favour and this 3rd one... jeez, Mark really killed him.

Gravy · 25th April 2007, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Holy crap, Fetzer even repeats the "Mike the EMT" claim that there was a countdown for the destruction of WTC 7.

There was an actual volunteer EMT who thought they brought the building down (perhaps confused by people saying "that building's coming down), but Fetzer wouldn't know that.

Quote:

Indira Singh, a volunteer EMT: "What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. ... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. ... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being brought down. ... There was another panic around four o'clock because they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running." (KPFA, 4/27/2005)

Brainster · 25th April 2007, 11:25 PM

Just hit the part about "bombs and explosions" and I am totally blown away. That was out of the park, Mr Roberts!

JAStewart · 26th April 2007, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

Fetzer - You're a conspiracy theorist!!

Gravy - That's great.

I lol'd

I lol'd too.

TOHMS · 26th April 2007, 02:18 AM

The fact that Judy Wood was even mentioned in a debate already showed me that this was just stupid. Fetzer is an emberassment to an already emberassing "movement".

The Doc · 26th April 2007, 03:17 AM

Well I just finished watching all three debates!

Very nice work both Ron and Mark. What a thoroughly enjoyable debate. I think you guys started off rather slow, but you really gave it to Fetzer in those last two debates. The great thing about this was the fact that Fetzer was making claims that a majority of members in the truth movement are currently making regarding the Pentagon and WTC7, as well as his crazy beam theories. A lot of conspiracists are going to have to deal with this.

It was good to see both Mark and Ron nail Fetzer for his "white elephant" and asbestos claims. I thought it might have gone unanswered due to time restrictions, but you guys managed to nail him for it.

I do have to say though, watching Fetzer notice he was proven wrong and watching him trying to change the subject was frustrating to me, but watching Mark throw him right back in line and listening to the vague silence from Fetzer in response was amazing.

I hope some fence sitters get to see this. In a debate, it is clear that these conspiracists have far less of the ability to get around admitting they are wrong. Fetzer was cornered, and the Hard Fire setup didn't allow him out of it without everyone seeing what a fool he is.

Two thumbs up guys! Very nice work.

Doc.

FactCheck · 26th April 2007, 06:10 AM

Fertilizer looked visibly shaken by the end of the second round. He looked like he needed Prozac by the end of the third.

Am I the only one who noted fertilizer was trying to intimidate Gravy? Heh!

Gravy, can you sleep at night now? Heh!

He acted like a child at one point, threatening to make it a long night. Gravy took the high road.

I would just like to see pomeroo force one topic only at a time. Also, you might want to highlight when he changed the topic. It was almost always when Mark had him on the ropes. As soon as he dodges the the issue, point it out.

I would like to give Gravy some photos of GZ which prove the steel was not pulverized but he wont respond to my PM's anyway.

Mancman · 26th April 2007, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by parky76

Fetzer clearly changes topics when he feels cornered. Poor guy.

Classic example:

Fetzer: "Larry Silverstein had two enormous white elephants on his hands he wanted to get rid of"

Gravy: "The WTC were not white elephants, they were making money, they were 98% occupied which is considered full occupancy, the mall in the concourse was one of the most profitable in the world"

Fezter: "There were 47 core columns"

ref · 26th April 2007, 09:20 AM

That was a clean three-peat. The constant interruptions by Fetzer bothered a little.

Nice work guys

I want more of these.

ETA: I enjoyed the last part most. Mark showing Jim the WTC stuff. The fire truck googled in two minutes, and the burnt cars

25th April 2007, 12:57 PM	#1
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	The Third Roberts-Fetzer Debate Oddly, Google processed the third program before the second. It can be found at http://tinyurl.com/yurzs4

25th April 2007, 02:04 PM	#5
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25th April 2007, 02:21 PM	#6
Unfit4Command Muse Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 730	Just finished watching the last two debates. Ron and Mark both did a great job, Fetzer jumped around so many times I had trouble following the debate a few times. Good job both of you
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25th April 2007, 02:23 PM	#7
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25th April 2007, 02:40 PM	#13
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	And Mark caps off the rout by showing what a piss poor researcher Fetzer is. "Google Ladder 3!" Indeed.
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25th April 2007, 01:02 PM	#2
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,886	That suit start to smell a bit after 3 weeks then?

25th April 2007, 01:36 PM	#3
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	ok, so overall, Mark clearly dominated....the first part excluded. Well done Mark....left him in the dust. In the end I almost thought he might switch sides. TAM

25th April 2007, 01:38 PM	#4
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by T.A.M. ok, so overall, Mark clearly dominated....the first part excluded. Well done Mark....left him in the dust. In the end I almost thought he might switch sides. TAM Would we be under any obligation to accept him?

25th April 2007, 02:23 PM	#8
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Yes, great shows indeed, but I agree with gumboot in the first Debate thread, the next show should be about one topic, and one topic only. Force the twoofer to face the answers to his/her questions.

25th April 2007, 02:25 PM	#9
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,019	Holy crap, Fetzer even repeats the "Mike the EMT" claim that there was a countdown for the destruction of WTC 7.

25th April 2007, 02:27 PM	#10
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	well what do you expect, he is still clinging on to the "No hijackers on the passenger manifests" line... Him and Griffin....they are like the Dinosaurs of the twoof movement. TAM

25th April 2007, 02:32 PM	#11
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Ron, I loved it when you nailed Fetzer on the FDNY/WTC7.

25th April 2007, 02:37 PM	#12
Daald Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 423	Damn, Fetzer is annoying. I think he talks because he likes the sound of his voice.

25th April 2007, 02:41 PM	#14
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,886	Is Fetzer going to turn into a new Bart Sibrel now? Getting fireman under oath?

25th April 2007, 02:44 PM	#15
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Get on the phone and give them a ring and ask them what happened to their firetruck. That's a good idea, huh? Awsome!
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25th April 2007, 02:56 PM	#16
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Am I mistaken or at around 26:50 did Fetzer say "In fact, virtually nothing the government has told us is false"? If so, heh.

25th April 2007, 03:13 PM	#17
R.Mackey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The armpit of L.A. Posts: 7,857	Wow again! Fetzie: That's not in my special area of expertise! "The Scourge:" Jim, you've referred to yourself as a generalist... (paraphrase) I'd have to agree that Fetzer offers no actual intellectual content, but this was a heck of a lively debate, and offers a beautiful glimpse into the maelstrom that is a conspiracist's mind. Well done, Ron and Mark!
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25th April 2007, 03:52 PM	#18
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,068	Originally Posted by Pardalis Yes, great shows indeed, but I agree with gumboot in the first Debate thread, the next show should be about one topic, and one topic only. Force the twoofer to face the answers to his/her questions. I've said this many times before. THe only way that anyone should ever agree to a debate is to narrow the topic significantly. "Was 9/11 an inside job?" is waaaaayyyyy too broad. A good moderator will know the arguments that will come up (as should the debaters). If not, let each side submit a position paper summarizing their arguments. Then, pick out the most important points that each side will make and focus on them. TOPIC 1: Did planes hit WTC1 and WTC2? Anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, or even how the towers fell is immediately moderated back to the topic. Discuss it until there is a resolution, or at least all that can be said has been said. Then move on to topic 2, which might be something like "How much steel was left after the buildings fell?" Again, anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, how the towers fell, or whether or not planes hit the towers is immediately moderated back to the topic. The key is to make the debaters focus on a specific topic and not allow room to jump all over the place.
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25th April 2007, 03:55 PM	#19
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I've said this many times before. THe only way that anyone should ever agree to a debate is to narrow the topic significantly. "Was 9/11 an inside job?" is waaaaayyyyy too broad. A good moderator will know the arguments that will come up (as should the debaters). If not, let each side submit a position paper summarizing their arguments. Then, pick out the most important points that each side will make and focus on them. TOPIC 1: Did planes hit WTC1 and WTC2? Anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, or even how the towers fell is immediately moderated back to the topic. Discuss it until there is a resolution, or at least all that can be said has been said. Then move on to topic 2, which might be something like "How much steel was left after the buildings fell?" Again, anyone who brings up WTC7, the Pentagon, Shanksville, how the towers fell, or whether or not planes hit the towers is immediately moderated back to the topic. The key is to make the debaters focus on a specific topic and not allow room to jump all over the place. That would be a very short debate and one in which there were no truthers taking part. They (the woo like uncle Fester) can't allow themselves to be cornered and forced to look at their arguments.

25th April 2007, 03:58 PM	#20
HyJinX Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beyond the Sun Posts: 1,666	I am, as will always be, forever amazed at the amount of information that Mark and Ron are able to retain and recite on a moments notice to negate the lies told by people like ol' uncle fetzer (doesn't deserve caps). I could watch 10 more episodes between the 3 of you...the entertainment value (and the critical thinking value of some of you) is priceless. Thank you Mark. Thank you Ron. Your abilities to rise above the ridiculous in order to convey the obvious is truly inspiring. My hat is off to you both.
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25th April 2007, 04:02 PM	#21
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by HyJinX I am, as will always be, forever amazed at the amount of information that Mark and Ron are able to retain and recite on a moments notice to negate the lies told by people like ol' uncle fetzer (doesn't deserve caps). I could watch 10 more episodes between the 3 of you...the entertainment value (and the critical thinking value of some of you) is priceless. Thank you Mark. Thank you Ron. Your abilities to rise above the ridiculous in order to convey the obvious is truly inspiring. My hat is off to you both. I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester.

25th April 2007, 04:08 PM	#22
The Doc Curing Stupidity Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,160	Ah excellent I'll watch ASAP. By the sounds of it, I'm in for some fun.
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25th April 2007, 04:10 PM	#23
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ I think Mark and Ron were what would be called an extreme amount of overkill. No disrespect to Mark or Ron but I think a trained monkey would have been able to talk more science than uncle Fester. The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much. Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now." I admire his patience.

25th April 2007, 04:28 PM	#24
ryanebelhar Thinker Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 194	Wow. I tend to stay out of verbal debates because there is no way I couldn't just start screaming and cursing. Kudos for not doing that.

25th April 2007, 06:08 PM	#25
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 12,068	Originally Posted by ~enigma~ That would be a very short debate and one in which there were no truthers taking part. They (the woo like uncle Fester) can't allow themselves to be cornered and forced to look at their arguments. Exactly. That's why you do it. Run a debate by rational rules, NOT by allowing CTists to scatter data randomly and move goalposts. Randi always says, don't let the mice run the experiment. That's what you are doing if you let the debate format get out of hand. Better to not show up then to let it go haphazardly. When they complain, you just tell the truth. You are willing to dabate specific topics, anytime, anywhere.
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25th April 2007, 06:14 PM	#26
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	Trying to get Fetzer to stick to one topic is like trying to get someone with ADHD to "focus"... Actually, i wonder if Fetzer might not have ADHD. He definitely exhibits the hyperactivity, and without a doubt has trouble focusing on a single topic or issue. If I didnt suspect it was part of his debating "tactics" I'd say there is a good case to be made. TAM

25th April 2007, 06:15 PM	#27
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	THE FIREPROOFING WAS ASBESTOS? Holy crap. I mean, there's a ton of nonsense claims- but Fetzer really made a stupid claim, here.
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25th April 2007, 06:16 PM	#28
~enigma~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Center of the universe Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted by CHF The monkey probably also wouldn't have touched Mark as much. Fetzer's arm on my shoulder would have creeped me right out! And yet only once did Mark say "you can let go now." I admire his patience. That line cracked me up...I wonder if it was an intimidation ploy or just a quirk of a whacky old guy. All I can say is uncle Fester was an extremely disrespectful buffon when he attempted to poo-poo Mark out of the conversation as if he was saying "let the men talk." That is one of the main reasons why I will continue to refer to uncle Fester as a piece of woo.

25th April 2007, 06:33 PM	#29
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible. There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped.
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25th April 2007, 06:40 PM	#30
Totovader Game Warden Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,240	Originally Posted by Totovader By the way- there are pictures of ladder 3 under the rubble, clearly visible. There's also another quote about ladder 3 being under the north walkbridge- and the photos show that it collaped. Found it: Originally Posted by FIREFIGHTER JOHN CERIELLO Q:When you saw the apparatus, any apparatus numbers you can remember and where they were parked? A. Yeah, I remember Rescue 1, obviously, right under the north walkway, the high-rise unit 3 from Engine 3, the high-rise unit. I remember rifling through that truck looking for tools and cylinders; a number of different engine companies, thinking the chauffeur's mask would be available. But I cannot say exactly which engine companies. I believe Ladder 3 was right there. Source
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25th April 2007, 06:54 PM	#31
Thunder Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Queens Posts: 34,947	Fetzer clearly changes topics when he feels cornered. Poor guy.

25th April 2007, 07:03 PM	#32
Hyperviolet Damnum Fatale Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glaschu Posts: 988	Ok i think Fetzer definetely controlled the first debate, using his rapid fire scatter gun approach. The 2nd debate was in Marks favour and this 3rd one... jeez, Mark really killed him.
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25th April 2007, 08:47 PM	#33
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by WildCat Holy crap, Fetzer even repeats the "Mike the EMT" claim that there was a countdown for the destruction of WTC 7. There was an actual volunteer EMT who thought they brought the building down (perhaps confused by people saying "that building's coming down), but Fetzer wouldn't know that. Quote: Indira Singh, a volunteer EMT: "What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. ... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. ... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University, a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down or being brought down. ... There was another panic around four o'clock because they were bringing the building down and people seemed to know this ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running." (KPFA, 4/27/2005)
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25th April 2007, 11:25 PM	#34
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,427	Just hit the part about "bombs and explosions" and I am totally blown away. That was out of the park, Mr Roberts!
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26th April 2007, 01:49 AM	#35
JAStewart Graduate Poster Tagger Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Shetland Islands Posts: 1,523	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins Fetzer - You're a conspiracy theorist!! Gravy - That's great. I lol'd I lol'd too.
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