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Questioninggeller · 3rd May 2007, 12:11 PM

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THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW
SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND
August 4, 2004 Wednesday
LENGTH: 7678 words
HEADLINE: Sylvia Browne: Strange Occurrences; Sylvia Browne answers guests' questions about their homes and families
HOST: Montel Williams
...
(Excerpts from video)

DEBBIE (Suspects She Was Abducted By Aliens): It was a clear night when I was driving down a dark road with two friends. It all happened so fast. An orange ball the size of a football field came out of the sky. We watched frozen in fear as it passed over our car and crashed. We then saw lights coming out of crash site. They looked like flying saucers. Some of them seemed to be following our vehicle.

I remember it was exactly 12:15 AM when I dropped one friend off. My other friend and I were headed back to a party. It was less than an hour away. We'd be there before 1. We joked the whole way back. We knew there just had to be an explanation for what we saw.

As we pulled up, we noticed something that shocks us to this day. The sun was coming up. It was nearly 6 AM. We had lost six hours and can't explain why. Where had all the time gone? To this day, we still wonder, could this have been an alien encounter?

(End of excerpts)

(Excerpts from November 5, 2003)

WILLIAMS: We saw what happened that night, but what do you think happened that night?

DEBBIE: I think it was an alien encounter.

WILLIAMS: OK. Sylvia, what do you...

Ms. BROWNE: It was.

WILLIAMS: I'm sorry?

Ms. BROWNE: It was.

WILLIAMS: I thought you did ghosts. You do aliens, too.

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, sure.

DEBBIE: What did they do? I mean, what happens in this time?

Ms. BROWNE: They--they sometimes talk to you. See, what you ought to do is be regressed hypnotically.

DEBBIE: That's what I was wondering.

(End of excerpts)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Debbie and her friend Dee to the show. Welcome them both.

What did you think after you talked to Sylvia?

DEBBIE: I was really excited to--to find out something, and I was excited to be regressed. The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to do it because I wanted to find out--I want some closure to this.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know what, yesterday both Debbie and Dee agreed to be regressed 20 years. I want you to take a look at this.

(Excerpts from video)

Dr. JAMIE FELDMAN, PhD (Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy): I'd like to go on a journey back in time. Are you ready to go back on a journey back in time with me?

DEBBIE: Yes.

Dr. FELDMAN: OK.

(Snaps his fingers) You're there now. Images are coming to you. Images, images. What's going on, Debbie? What's going on? What does Debbie see?

DEBBIE: It's--it's just dark.

Dr. FELDMAN: OK. Let's go on.

DEBBIE: There's a white light. Something opened and something came through, some light, some--something. From somewhere. Metal, but it's not cold. I saw an image of a head or a face.

Dr. FELDMAN: OK. Describe that image. As I count from one to three, describe it.

DEBBIE: Kind of something like you'd see on a wall in a cave or something.

Dr. FELDMAN: Do you feel anyone else? Anyone else?

DEBBIE: I feel like there's someone there, but I don't see them.

Dr. FELDMAN: Are they talking?

DEBBIE: No.

Dr. FELDMAN: OK.

DEBBIE: I just feel them.

Dr. FELDMAN: You feel them. Are they doing anything to Debbie?

DEBBIE: Looking.

Dr. FELDMAN: Let's see if there's anything else we can recall.

DEBBIE: Just a bright light that's just as big as the sun. It's like having the sun come up in your face.

Dr. FELDMAN: It's a cool night. You're in Texas. You're in a car. What's happening? What do you see? What's going on? What do you see?

DEE: Ball of fire.

Dr. FELDMAN: Ball of fire. Looks like a ball of fire. OK. Look around. You see...

DEE: Lots of lights.

Dr. FELDMAN: Lots of lights. Do you feel yourself being taken away or are you floating?

DEE: Floating.

Dr. FELDMAN: You're floating? OK. Now, what's being said to you?

DEE: It's OK.

Dr. FELDMAN: OK. 'It's OK.' Were they saying that to you?

DEE: Somehow.

Dr. FELDMAN: They were just very good to you. They were just maybe scanning you to make sure that you're OK. They weren't...

(Dee wakes up)

Dr. FELDMAN: OK. You're out of it, huh?

(End of excerpts)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Dr. Jamie Feldman to the show. Welcome him.

You have done thousands of these kinds of things. What did you find out?

Dr. FELDMAN: Well, in many cases when we regress someone, we're able to uncover many things that the subconscious is repressing because maybe of shock or maybe because someone told them that they won't remember what happened. With hypnosis, we went back, we regressed the two individuals, Debbie and Dee, and we found out that the bright light stopped them from seeing what was going on, but it seems that they were scanned, that they were floating up, because that's what they said, that they floated up. And I think Debbie felt she was in some sort of tube, and she was floating in that tube and there was something monitoring or scanning her. What we also found was that there was a healing process because after--after that occurred, some healing process did happen.

WILLIAMS: Healing process in what way?

Dr. FELDMAN: Well, Debbie wants to...

WILLIAMS: Go ahead.

DEBBIE: I had been married before and was not on birth control and was never pregnant. And I got with my--my second husband right after this, and I was pregnant just, I mean, immediately. So I felt like I was not able to conceive before.

Ms. BROWNE: Don't go there. Don't go there. I'm reading your mind.

WILLIAMS: I'm trying not to go there. I didn't go there.

Ms. BROWNE: OK.

WILLIAMS: OK. Geez.

DEBBIE: But Sylvia, we really want to know what did we talk about?

DEE: Did we talk at all?

Ms. BROWNE: When you went to the aliens?

DEBBIE: Yeah.

DEE: Yes, ma'am.

Ms. BROWNE: They wanted to know what you did, what your lifestyle was about. You see, they're always observing us. I mean here I've got the mother God book out, and I've got the aliens going. There's two white coats waiting for me outside this door.

DEE: They'll take us, too, then.

DEBBIE: Yeah, we'll go with you.

Ms. BROWNE: Well, who cares. Do we care?

DEBBIE: We don't care.

Ms. BROWNE: No. They want to know what you're about, how you lived your life, what you ate. You know, they were asking you all kinds of questions.

DEBBIE: Do they come back to us? Do they follow up with us? We wonder.

Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, they did.

DEBBIE: Because we feel that.

Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

DEBBIE: Is there something we're supposed to take from this, that we're supposed to really remember?

Ms. BROWNE: I think to open it up to the world that there is such a thing as we're being observed.

WILLIAMS: I want you all to hook up a video camera, have it sitting somewhere around, you know, nowadays they have little cell phones with the cameras on it. Get one because the next time you see that light, I want you to take that camera out of your pocket and just start going, 'Ch, ch, ch, ch,' (mimics taking pictures), take as many pictures as you have and I'll blow them up here on the show from here to eternity. I've been looking for a real alien. I want to find one. You find me one, I've got him on the air right here.

DEBBIE: That's how we felt.

Ms. BROWNE: Go to Death Valley. You'll find one.

WILLIAMS: Oh, I don't like it out there.

Let me take a break. When we come back, a woman wants to know how a ring buried with her mother ended up on her table. And this is what I want to know. We're going to take a break. We'll be back right after this.

(Announcements)
...

Some interesting details about this low quality show.

1) Browne, as Montel put it, "does aliens."
2) Jamie L. Feldman (Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy) is a "professor" at American Pacific University (an unaccredited online school).
3) His CV proudly promotes his been on Montel, but neglects to mention where he got his "doctorate" in.
4) There are no degrees for Clinical Hypnotherapy in accredited schools.
5) The poor credentials, unverified claims, and hogwash in this segment are enigmatic of Montel's show.

headscratcher4 · 3rd May 2007, 12:15 PM

Sylvia

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

"does aliens."

?

It sounds dirty, though possibly in keeping with her true professional skills.

chran · 3rd May 2007, 12:29 PM

Sylvia Browne is bat **** crazy!

There, I said it.

LostAngeles · 3rd May 2007, 12:35 PM

"Oh sure, I'll confirm anything anyone says so long as it brings me more people to fleece."

Darat · 3rd May 2007, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by LostAngeles

"Oh sure, I'll confirm anything anyone says so long as it brings me more people to fleece."

That was my take on it.

It also shows that Montel is a blatant liar who will also say anything - there is no way this can be squared with his comments about her in the interview on RS's site.

Kilgore Trout · 3rd May 2007, 12:43 PM

I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in. In the book I read she mentioned, rather off-handedly, something like Earth was seeded by aliens or that life evolved elsewhere and not here... I forget exactly, it was supremely bizarre and she didn't go into details. I'm very curious what this was all about.. Seems a bit Scientological.

Here's a stray thought... P1) There is a universe where Sylvia Browne and L. Ron Hubbard married. P2) A universe in which P1 happened would be supremely evil. P3) This universe is not P1. Therefore, there is a God. (Kidding! But P1 is a rather horrifying thought...)

Psiload · 3rd May 2007, 12:43 PM

Well, that settles it then.

Somebody call SETI and tell them they can pack it up.

LostAngeles · 3rd May 2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in. In the book I read she mentioned, rather off-handedly, something like Earth was seeded by aliens or that life evolved elsewhere and not here... I forget exactly, it was supremely bizarre and she didn't go into details. I'm very curious what this was all about.. Seems a bit Scientological.

Here's a stray thought... P1) There is a universe where Sylvia Browne and L. Ron Hubbard married. P2) A universe in which P1 happened would be supremely evil. P3) This universe is not P1. Therefore, there is a God. (Kidding! But P1 is a rather horrifying thought...)

OK, I think something in my head exploded due to P1. Please post your address so that I may send you the medical bill.

headscratcher4 · 3rd May 2007, 12:54 PM

It occurs to me that it is just possible that the aliens found the body of the Hornbeck kid, resurected him and planted him with that pervert...thus making sylvia's initial reading correct.

Questioninggeller · 3rd May 2007, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in.
...

Soulmates. She says that "crazy."

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SHOW: THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW 4:00 PM EST
January 31, 2007 Wednesday
LENGTH: 10094 words
HEADLINE: SYLVIA BROWNE: EXPLORES THE UNKNOWN
ANCHORS: MONTEL WILLIAMS, HOST
...

FEMALE ELEVEN, AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi, Sylvia. Can you tell me where my soul mate is?

SYLVIA BROWNE: On the other side. All soul mates are on the other side. You don't meet your soul mate down here. That is so crazy.
...

LostAngeles · 3rd May 2007, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Soulmates. She says that "crazy."

No, she doesn't deny their existence, she just denies their presence down here.

'Course that's prob'ly just to cover her ass when she says that they'll meet a tall, dark stranger (hopefully that dark stranger won't kidnap/kill them) and it turns out that person that's "meant" for them is a total jerkwad.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 3rd May 2007, 01:06 PM

Is there anything this woman won't say yes too?! I could ask her if anything is real and she'd say yes. Say anything. She'll confirm it.

"Sylvia, is it true that Marie Antoinette is still alive?" "Yeah, she's here in America. It was a conspiracy. Don'tcha see?"

She told a handful of people who their soulmates were on the show when I was on and she's told a bazillion people over the years. She talks about it in her books too so I think she officially believes in it.

aggle-rithm · 3rd May 2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

Is there anything this woman won't say yes too?! I could ask her if anything is real and she'd say yes. Say anything. She'll confirm it.

"Sylvia, is it true that Marie Antoinette is still alive?" "Yeah, she's here in America. It was a conspiracy. Don'tcha see?"

Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I think she will confirm anything that:

1. Is not testable, or
2. Is testable, but has good odds on being correct (like "there will be an earthquake this year", or "your missing child is laying dead in a ditch somewhere").

grayman · 3rd May 2007, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout

I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in...

How about...

1) Integrity.

2) Honesty.

3) Truth.

4) Scruples.

5) Compassion.

6) Empathy.

7) Hygiene.

8) Self-esteem.

9) Accountability.

10) Responsibility.

11) Scientific Methodology.

12) Continuity.

13) Reliability.

14) Plausibility.

15) Philanthropy.

16) James Randi.

LostAngeles · 3rd May 2007, 02:01 PM

17) Common Human Decency

Madalch · 3rd May 2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Hypnotherapy in accredited schools.
5) The poor credentials, unverified claims, and hogwash in this segment are enigmatic of Montel's show.

"Enigmatic"? "Emblematic", perhaps?

headscratcher4 · 3rd May 2007, 02:09 PM

18) verifiable facts

Gord_in_Toronto · 3rd May 2007, 02:13 PM

I notice "Dr." FELDMAN asks some very leading questions. Good thing for DEBBIE's dad that he was not in another field of woodumb!

LostAngeles · 3rd May 2007, 02:37 PM

Kilgore Trout · 3rd May 2007, 04:18 PM

Okokok you got me! How about: She believes in everything that has been featured, or even mentioned parenthetically, on an episode of In Search Of?

PastBrowneFan · 3rd May 2007, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by grayman

How about...

1) Integrity.

2) Honesty.

3) Truth.

4) Scruples.

5) Compassion.

6) Empathy.

7) Hygiene.

8) Self-esteem.

9) Accountability.

10) Responsibility.

11) Scientific Methodology.

12) Continuity.

13) Reliability.

14) Plausibility.

15) Philanthropy.

16) James Randi.

There's a funny story about hygiene that could be told..........but all in due time.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 3rd May 2007, 08:25 PM

Come on!

Do tell, PastBrowneFan.

Kiss and tell!

a_unique_person · 3rd May 2007, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan

There's a funny story about hygiene that could be told..........but all in due time.

Would it involve the use of toilet paper and those nails?

Zep · 3rd May 2007, 09:05 PM

Ergh. I'm thinking toilet paper and someone else's hands...

Oof - there goes my lunch...

Jackalgirl · 3rd May 2007, 09:06 PM

No! No! Noooooooo! Please, no stories about Sylvia's hygiene habits! I don't want to know!

<goes to hide, looking for a chopstick to stick up her nose and wiggle around so that she can erase the images brought up by the very idea...>

Questioninggeller · 3rd May 2007, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Madalch

"Enigmatic"? "Emblematic", perhaps?

I meant emblematic, and I wrote:

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

Soulmates. She says that "crazy."

but meant: "Soul mates. She says that it is 'crazy'."

That's what I get for posting when two people were talking to me.

PastBrowneFan · 4th May 2007, 07:41 AM

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That's what I get for posting when two people were talking to me.

Were they your spiritu guides? Do you have any messages for us?

Belz... · 4th May 2007, 09:07 AM

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"Ms." BROWNE: They--they sometimes talk to you. See, what you ought to do is be regressed hypnotically.

Ah, yes. Hypnotic regression. The leading tool for digging up real memories.

Questioninggeller · 4th May 2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan

Were they your spiritu guides? Do you have any messages for us?

Haha... no two very real people came in when I was posting that, and wanted to chat.

Minarvia · 4th May 2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

Ergh. I'm thinking toilet paper and someone else's hands...

Oof - there goes my lunch...

Same here!

Yet...there is a twisted, perverted part of me that really wants to know...

Minarvia · 4th May 2007, 11:32 AM

But maybe this should be added to Robert's site; that Sylvia not only claims to be psychic, but that she "does aliens."

Questioninggeller · 4th May 2007, 01:31 PM

More:

Quote:

SHOW: The Montel Williams Show 5:00 PM EST SYND
November 30, 2005 Wednesday
LENGTH: 6864 words
HEADLINE: Sylvia Browne: Uncovering the Mysterious; Psychic Sylvia Browne answers audience members' questions
...
WILLIAMS: All right. Well, look, my next guest says that she's encountered a UFO. And now, you got to stop and listen to this, because she was outside, and--and lost a full hour of time, has no idea what took place. Take a look at this.

Ms. BROWNE: Yep.

(Excerpt from videotape)

CORINA: I will never be the same again. A girlfriend of mine and I went out on a back country road to go star gazing. My girlfriend said to me, `You know, there's something very strange up here. There's three stars, three bright lights up in the sky that I'm looking at, but they're formed in a triangular formation.' They all gathered into one object and turned this green neon-colored light. I grabbed my Million Candlelight, and I flashed it down the road. There were just five sets of eyes staring back at me. And all I could feel was terror.

The next thing I remember is turning towards my girlfriend and saying, `Get in the car.' But it was, like, I was stuck in quicksand and going in slow motion. The next thing I know, we are both in the vehicle again. I put the key in the ignition, it would not start, but all the lights in the car, everything started going crazy. I turned the key once more, and thank God, it started. As we were speeding back into town, my girlfriend suddenly yelled at me, `Corina, look at the clock. We got here--when you parked, I looked at the clock, it said 12:07,' she said, `It's a little after 1. What's going on?' I said, `That would mean that we don't know what happened for about an hour?' In the morning, I went to the wash room, and I noticed that I had quite a large bruise on the side of my left ch--chest here. I need to know what happened during that missing time.

(End of excerpt)

WILLIAMS: Please welcome Corina to the show.

Ms. BROWNE: You did encounter a UFO, but you weren't abducted. Now, let me tell you something. When I went through my UFO encounter, if you read my "Secrets and Mysteries," I lost time, too. But you weren't abducted. I'm not saying there isn't such a thing as abduction, but you weren't abducted. But I lost time. I also lost time, two hours, going through Pacheco Pass.

CORINA: Why--what happened?

Ms. BROWNE: Because what you did was you encountered them. You did talk to them, and they erased your memory.

CORINA: So they didn't--what were the bruises on our bodies from? The burn mark on her back? All those things.

Ms. BROWNE: No, you had fallen or something, but they had not done that. They didn't do anything invasive thing.

WILLIAMS: So wait, during that hour, she's sitting on the side of the road? Did she get out of the car?

Ms. BROWNE: No, she was standing there talking to them, like I did in Death Valley.

WILLIAMS: So she had a conversation?

Ms. BROWNE: Absolutely.

CORINA: So the marks on our bodies aren't related?

Ms. BROWNE: Oh, I'm sure they are. I--I think you were frightened, do you see what I'm saying, or fell or whatever. Do you see what I'm saying?

CORINA: Oh, I see. Now, is this going to keep reoccurring, or is this coming to an end?

Ms. BROWNE: No, no, no. But you know what I would do? I would go under some kind of hyp--hypnosis or, you know?

CORINA: Yeah.

Ms. BROWNE: Or regressive therapy, and just relieve it, do you see what I'm saying? I don't want necessarily to erase it, because, let's face it, we can get an awful lot of information from that.

CORINA: Yes. Things have been happening to our children and I our whole lives, like, since they were little. Waking up with a hole in his spine. My son in 2002 woke up, perfect triangular formation with little burn marks, circular burn marks inside it. I mean, it was...

WILLIAMS: Where? On his back, on his body?

CORINA: On his back, around his spine area. I mean, we went to the doctor. We have medical records. I was hospitalized for a week. The doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. The white blood count was elevated, potassium levels crashed. It was crazy. My--my normal body temperature went down to 34.2. Like--it was--it's ridiculous. There's no end to this. I don't know what's going on.

WILLIAMS: So, I'll ask the question. Even as--the way I feel about it, could she be one of those people who, like--you called them before, like a beacon or something? They keep coming back to her?

Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm, yeah. But--yeah, yeah, they are, they're--they're almost like portals, you know what I mean?

WILLIAMS: Uh-huh.

Ms. BROWNE: But, see you're not. You always have had a very ticklish nervous system, though, do you see what I mean? I have a friend that--her body temperature goes up and down, she has all kinds of potassium and sodium problems.

WILLIAMS: Unrelated to anything else?

Ms. BROWNE: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

WILLIAMS: So circumstantial.

CORINA: Yeah. Thank you.

Ms. BROWNE: See, I don't want you to put everything that you have wrong with you into that.

CORINA: No, I understand.

Ms. BROWNE: If it was, then I'd say, `Hey, his name is, you know, whatever, Z-Pack, or whatever that show was.' And, you know, let's talk to, you know, your angels to get rid of him, or whatever. But there hasn't been. You did have a UFO encounter, I'm not discrediting that, and you did talk to this couple of people, do you see what I mean?

CORINA: Yeah.

Ms. BROWNE: That's why I'd like for you to go under hypnosis to find out what the hell you talked about.

CORINA: Thank you. Thank you so much.

Ms. BROWNE: Yes.
...

and a few weeks ago:

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The Montel Williams Show
SHOW: THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW 12:00 AM EST
April 25, 2007 Wednesday
LENGTH: 10549 words
HEADLINE: SYLVIA BROWNE: INSIDE THE PSYCHIC WORLD
...
MONTEL WILLIAMS: You talk often about--and a lot of your books have been about this, about extraterrestrials, right?

SYLVIA BROWNE: Oh, yeah. But I had a...

WILLIAMS: Now, you believe in them?

BROWNE: Oh, I saw them.

WILLIAMS: Are they really little green men? Are they really us?

BROWNE: No, they look like the rest of us.

WILLIAMS: Do they, really?

BROWNE: You've even had them in your audience. I didn't tell you, though.

LAUGHTER

WILLIAMS: I bet I got a couple out there right now. But what do they do? Do they just come out and hang out?

BROWNE: Yeah, they're in politics. They're in engineering. They're everywhere.

WILLIAMS: Well, our next guest said...

BROWNE: And, and if they were little green people with big eyes, we'd know them. We'd say, oh, look at that one.

WILLIAMS: But do they just kind of, are they're--is there, like, a, a shuttle to Earth set up? People can just come and hang out?

BROWNE: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's like--yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's good way to put it, a shuttle.

WILLIAMS: Go on vacation to Earth. Right?

BROWNE: Well see, they colonized us.

WILLIAMS: I see.

BROWNE: And they're coming back to see what we did with it. Can you imagine?

WILLIAMS: Ah, yeah. Well, my next guests say that they think that something from another planet may have paid them a visit. Please welcome Suzanne and her daughter, Pam, to the show. Suzanne, what happened? Tell us what happened.

APPLAUSE

SUZANNE (BELIEVES A UFO MAY HAVE LANDED IN HER YARD): Well, my sister was visiting me from out of state. And we are walking around our lawn, my lawn. And she asked me what this discoloration was on one part of our property. And so, we went on down, about 75 feet away. And I looked and she looked, and there, behold was what looked like a crop circle.

BROWNE: Circle.

SUZANNE: It was about 20 by 20. A glowing, rust color, wheat color. The grass was going in a--I believe a counter-clockwise position.

BROWNE: Clockwise.

SUZANNE: And there was sumac bushes all around, because it's a wooded area. But the trees weren't growing right in that area. It was high grass. And the sumac bushes were all broken off. There was a bunch of them.

BROWNE: Uh-huh. Where something had landed.

SUZANNE: And, and there was projections going out, with foliage in between. It was still green.

BROWNE: Yeah.

SUZANNE: And I'm thinking, oh, dear, not again.

WILLIAMS: What do you mean, not again?

SUZANNE: Well...

PAM (BAFFLED BY A LARGE UFO-SHAPED IMPRESSION IN HER YARD): I, in December, remember it to a T. In 1984, I was down in a lower field, which is about maybe 200 feet from this spot with my German shepherd. And there was a bright light in the corner.

BROWNE: Right.

PAM: It shot straight across. I didn't think too much, until it stopped and shot back again, and stopped. And then came back, center, over my dog and I. And it was making, pardon me, a (makes noise) sound.

BROWNE: Yeah, funny noise, yeah.

PAM: And the dog took off.

BROWNE: Oh, yeah, dogs are so afraid about that.

LAUGHTER

PAM: And I took off right behind the dog.

BROWNE: Dog is--you're on your own, kids.

WILLIAMS: Right.

PAM: And then, just to kind of play off of that is, I've had dreams. I don't know if I'm jumping to other places at night. But dreams that, to me, are terrifying. I try not to be afraid, but--not the little green men. But I know there's something tied into...

BROWNE: Well, I think...

PAM: ...outer limits.

BROWNE: I think when you were there--you know, 'cause we lose time. I know when I went through, Panchenko pass, when I went to the Death Valley thing and had that experience. You do lose time. Now see, I don't think you were abducted. But what I think they do...

PAM: No.

BROWNE: ...I think they implant a lot of what we call cell memory. Do you see what I'm saying?

PAM: Mm-hmm.

BROWNE: Yeah, but that definitely is a UFO.

PAM: Yeah, it looked just like your one in Mysteries of the Universe.

BROWNE: Yes.

PAM: The one picture, that's exactly it.

BROWNE: Yeah, that I showed.

PAM: I remember...

BROWNE: That's exactly what I've gone through.

PAM: And said, oh my God.

BROWNE: And why would you and I, now, 'cause we don't know each other, do we?

PAM: No.

BROWNE: Why would we pick out the same thing?

PAM: That was exactly it. I mean, depicted.

BROWNE: Exactly.

WILLIAMS: Wait. When you--so that night, you didn't--you had no knowledge of anything that landed before. Has it come back?

SUZANNE: No. And it looked like it had just happened. It was in, like a 24-hour period.

BROWNE: Yeah.

SUZANNE: And the next three weeks, the grasses grew up into a normal position again.

BROWNE: Yeah. But see, that's the shooting out of the projectant--projectile.

SUZANNE: There was, yeah. There was also, around the perimeter, it was a half-circle, about an inch deep, like you would take a stick and, and draw that.

BROWNE: Exactly, and draw. I know.

SUZANNE: And I was wondering is, was it physical landing or inter-dimensional landing?

BROWNE: It was a physical landing.

SUZANNE: A physical landing.

BROWNE: A physical landing, sure.

SUZANNE: And so...

BROWNE: Hi, how you doing?

PAM: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: How long ago was it that when that happened to you?

PAM: 1984 when I saw it.

WILLIAMS: Oh. So...

PAM: Only in the last eight years of the dreams, I have...

WILLIAMS: So you had 20 years--so 20 years, separate and go back.

SUZANNE: Yes, in--in 2005, in October, this happened.

WILLIAMS: Twenty-one years.

BROWNE: Yeah.

SUZANNE: And I took pictures a year later to show the normal topography.

BROWNE: Yeah. But see, to them, they're kind of like us. They don't have time. Like we...

WILLIAMS: Now we gotta wait about 20 years and put another camera down and see what happens.

BROWNE: Oh, no. I think that they're gonna show themselves more and more. Don't be afraid of them.

WILLIAMS: You believe this is...

SUZANNE: Oh, no, we're not afraid.

WILLIAMS: You believe that we're all gonna see it, pretty soon.

BROWNE: Oh, God, yes.
...

Questioninggeller · 4th May 2007, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Minarvia

But maybe this should be added to Robert's site; that Sylvia not only claims to be psychic, but that she "does aliens."

I agree. I wonder what those who think of her as a "spiritual teacher" think about her claims that aliens are among the human population.

RSLancastr · 4th May 2007, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

I agree. I wonder what those who think of her as a "spiritual teacher" think about her claims that aliens are among the human population.

Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book.

LostAngeles · 4th May 2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book.

So do aliens go to the other side and reincarnate too or what?

Minarvia · 4th May 2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book.

Ah, that's right. I stopped reading her stuff at about the time the Mother God/Father God books came out.
So, she covers aliens in the new books. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. UFO's and aliens are in vogue again.

Minarvia · 4th May 2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by LostAngeles

So do aliens go to the other side and reincarnate too or what?

Robert can give her "real" answer. My guess is that she says that aliens have the same type of "experiencing for god" that humans do. They have their own charts and their own "other side."
I'll bet that Azna appears different to them than she does to us.

Am I right, Robert?

clerihew80 · 4th May 2007, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Questioninggeller

I agree. I wonder what those who think of her as a "spiritual teacher" think about her claims that aliens are among the human population.

Hey, if they believe she's psychic, they're liable to believe anything. I don't see how alien encounters are any more outlandish then her claims to be able to predict the future or locate missing persons.

I doubt that many of her marks - oops, I mean fans - think of her solely or even predominately as a "spiritual teacher." That's nothing more than a screen she hides behind.

a_unique_person · 4th May 2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Minarvia

But maybe this should be added to Robert's site; that Sylvia not only claims to be psychic, but that she "does aliens."

I'd do Aeryn Sun.

Questioninggeller · 4th May 2007, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by RSLancastr

Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book.

I don't think her bellievers really do that much research to know that. While the hardcore fans have all of her books or most of them, people in desparate need for answers with $750.00 are going to call her, not buy her book about mysteries.

I have all of Randi's books, but I doubt most people who visit JREF does.

3rd May 2007, 12:11 PM	#1
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,037	Browne confirms alien abductions Quote: THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW SHOW: The Montel Williams Show (5:00 PM ET) - SYND August 4, 2004 Wednesday LENGTH: 7678 words HEADLINE: Sylvia Browne: Strange Occurrences; Sylvia Browne answers guests' questions about their homes and families HOST: Montel Williams ... (Excerpts from video) DEBBIE (Suspects She Was Abducted By Aliens): It was a clear night when I was driving down a dark road with two friends. It all happened so fast. An orange ball the size of a football field came out of the sky. We watched frozen in fear as it passed over our car and crashed. We then saw lights coming out of crash site. They looked like flying saucers. Some of them seemed to be following our vehicle. I remember it was exactly 12:15 AM when I dropped one friend off. My other friend and I were headed back to a party. It was less than an hour away. We'd be there before 1. We joked the whole way back. We knew there just had to be an explanation for what we saw. As we pulled up, we noticed something that shocks us to this day. The sun was coming up. It was nearly 6 AM. We had lost six hours and can't explain why. Where had all the time gone? To this day, we still wonder, could this have been an alien encounter? (End of excerpts) (Excerpts from November 5, 2003) WILLIAMS: We saw what happened that night, but what do you think happened that night? DEBBIE: I think it was an alien encounter. WILLIAMS: OK. Sylvia, what do you... Ms. BROWNE: It was. WILLIAMS: I'm sorry? Ms. BROWNE: It was. WILLIAMS: I thought you did ghosts. You do aliens, too. Ms. BROWNE: Oh, sure. DEBBIE: What did they do? I mean, what happens in this time? Ms. BROWNE: They--they sometimes talk to you. See, what you ought to do is be regressed hypnotically. DEBBIE: That's what I was wondering. (End of excerpts) WILLIAMS: Please welcome Debbie and her friend Dee to the show. Welcome them both. What did you think after you talked to Sylvia? DEBBIE: I was really excited to--to find out something, and I was excited to be regressed. The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to do it because I wanted to find out--I want some closure to this. WILLIAMS: Well, you know what, yesterday both Debbie and Dee agreed to be regressed 20 years. I want you to take a look at this. (Excerpts from video) Dr. JAMIE FELDMAN, PhD (Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy): I'd like to go on a journey back in time. Are you ready to go back on a journey back in time with me? DEBBIE: Yes. Dr. FELDMAN: OK. (Snaps his fingers) You're there now. Images are coming to you. Images, images. What's going on, Debbie? What's going on? What does Debbie see? DEBBIE: It's--it's just dark. Dr. FELDMAN: OK. Let's go on. DEBBIE: There's a white light. Something opened and something came through, some light, some--something. From somewhere. Metal, but it's not cold. I saw an image of a head or a face. Dr. FELDMAN: OK. Describe that image. As I count from one to three, describe it. DEBBIE: Kind of something like you'd see on a wall in a cave or something. Dr. FELDMAN: Do you feel anyone else? Anyone else? DEBBIE: I feel like there's someone there, but I don't see them. Dr. FELDMAN: Are they talking? DEBBIE: No. Dr. FELDMAN: OK. DEBBIE: I just feel them. Dr. FELDMAN: You feel them. Are they doing anything to Debbie? DEBBIE: Looking. Dr. FELDMAN: Let's see if there's anything else we can recall. DEBBIE: Just a bright light that's just as big as the sun. It's like having the sun come up in your face. Dr. FELDMAN: It's a cool night. You're in Texas. You're in a car. What's happening? What do you see? What's going on? What do you see? DEE: Ball of fire. Dr. FELDMAN: Ball of fire. Looks like a ball of fire. OK. Look around. You see... DEE: Lots of lights. Dr. FELDMAN: Lots of lights. Do you feel yourself being taken away or are you floating? DEE: Floating. Dr. FELDMAN: You're floating? OK. Now, what's being said to you? DEE: It's OK. Dr. FELDMAN: OK. 'It's OK.' Were they saying that to you? DEE: Somehow. Dr. FELDMAN: They were just very good to you. They were just maybe scanning you to make sure that you're OK. They weren't... (Dee wakes up) Dr. FELDMAN: OK. You're out of it, huh? (End of excerpts) WILLIAMS: Please welcome Dr. Jamie Feldman to the show. Welcome him. You have done thousands of these kinds of things. What did you find out? Dr. FELDMAN: Well, in many cases when we regress someone, we're able to uncover many things that the subconscious is repressing because maybe of shock or maybe because someone told them that they won't remember what happened. With hypnosis, we went back, we regressed the two individuals, Debbie and Dee, and we found out that the bright light stopped them from seeing what was going on, but it seems that they were scanned, that they were floating up, because that's what they said, that they floated up. And I think Debbie felt she was in some sort of tube, and she was floating in that tube and there was something monitoring or scanning her. What we also found was that there was a healing process because after--after that occurred, some healing process did happen. WILLIAMS: Healing process in what way? Dr. FELDMAN: Well, Debbie wants to... WILLIAMS: Go ahead. DEBBIE: I had been married before and was not on birth control and was never pregnant. And I got with my--my second husband right after this, and I was pregnant just, I mean, immediately. So I felt like I was not able to conceive before. Ms. BROWNE: Don't go there. Don't go there. I'm reading your mind. WILLIAMS: I'm trying not to go there. I didn't go there. Ms. BROWNE: OK. WILLIAMS: OK. Geez. DEBBIE: But Sylvia, we really want to know what did we talk about? DEE: Did we talk at all? Ms. BROWNE: When you went to the aliens? DEBBIE: Yeah. DEE: Yes, ma'am. Ms. BROWNE: They wanted to know what you did, what your lifestyle was about. You see, they're always observing us. I mean here I've got the mother God book out, and I've got the aliens going. There's two white coats waiting for me outside this door. DEE: They'll take us, too, then. DEBBIE: Yeah, we'll go with you. Ms. BROWNE: Well, who cares. Do we care? DEBBIE: We don't care. Ms. BROWNE: No. They want to know what you're about, how you lived your life, what you ate. You know, they were asking you all kinds of questions. DEBBIE: Do they come back to us? Do they follow up with us? We wonder. Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, they did. DEBBIE: Because we feel that. Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm. Yeah. DEBBIE: Is there something we're supposed to take from this, that we're supposed to really remember? Ms. BROWNE: I think to open it up to the world that there is such a thing as we're being observed. WILLIAMS: I want you all to hook up a video camera, have it sitting somewhere around, you know, nowadays they have little cell phones with the cameras on it. Get one because the next time you see that light, I want you to take that camera out of your pocket and just start going, 'Ch, ch, ch, ch,' (mimics taking pictures), take as many pictures as you have and I'll blow them up here on the show from here to eternity. I've been looking for a real alien. I want to find one. You find me one, I've got him on the air right here. DEBBIE: That's how we felt. Ms. BROWNE: Go to Death Valley. You'll find one. WILLIAMS: Oh, I don't like it out there. Let me take a break. When we come back, a woman wants to know how a ring buried with her mother ended up on her table. And this is what I want to know. We're going to take a break. We'll be back right after this. (Announcements) ... Some interesting details about this low quality show. 1) Browne, as Montel put it, "does aliens." 2) Jamie L. Feldman (Doctor of Clinical Hypnotherapy) is a "professor" at American Pacific University (an unaccredited online school). 3) His CV proudly promotes his been on Montel, but neglects to mention where he got his "doctorate" in. 4) There are no degrees for Clinical Hypnotherapy in accredited schools. 5) The poor credentials, unverified claims, and hogwash in this segment are enigmatic of Montel's show.

3rd May 2007, 12:15 PM	#2
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	Sylvia Originally Posted by Questioninggeller "does aliens." ? It sounds dirty, though possibly in keeping with her true professional skills.
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3rd May 2007, 12:35 PM	#4
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3rd May 2007, 12:39 PM	#5
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	Originally Posted by LostAngeles "Oh sure, I'll confirm anything anyone says so long as it brings me more people to fleece." That was my take on it. It also shows that Montel is a blatant liar who will also say anything - there is no way this can be squared with his comments about her in the interview on RS's site.
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3rd May 2007, 12:43 PM	#6
Kilgore Trout Wuse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tralfamadore Posts: 1,443	I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in. In the book I read she mentioned, rather off-handedly, something like Earth was seeded by aliens or that life evolved elsewhere and not here... I forget exactly, it was supremely bizarre and she didn't go into details. I'm very curious what this was all about.. Seems a bit Scientological. Here's a stray thought... P1) There is a universe where Sylvia Browne and L. Ron Hubbard married. P2) A universe in which P1 happened would be supremely evil. P3) This universe is not P1. Therefore, there is a God. (Kidding! But P1 is a rather horrifying thought...)
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3rd May 2007, 12:29 PM	#3
chran Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denmark, yo Posts: 630	Sylvia Browne is bat **** crazy! There, I said it.

3rd May 2007, 12:43 PM	#7
Psiload Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,107	Well, that settles it then. Somebody call SETI and tell them they can pack it up.
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3rd May 2007, 12:52 PM	#8
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in. In the book I read she mentioned, rather off-handedly, something like Earth was seeded by aliens or that life evolved elsewhere and not here... I forget exactly, it was supremely bizarre and she didn't go into details. I'm very curious what this was all about.. Seems a bit Scientological. Here's a stray thought... P1) There is a universe where Sylvia Browne and L. Ron Hubbard married. P2) A universe in which P1 happened would be supremely evil. P3) This universe is not P1. Therefore, there is a God. (Kidding! But P1 is a rather horrifying thought...) OK, I think something in my head exploded due to P1. Please post your address so that I may send you the medical bill.
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3rd May 2007, 12:54 PM	#9
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	It occurs to me that it is just possible that the aliens found the body of the Hornbeck kid, resurected him and planted him with that pervert...thus making sylvia's initial reading correct.
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3rd May 2007, 01:00 PM	#11
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Soulmates. She says that "crazy." No, she doesn't deny their existence, she just denies their presence down here. 'Course that's prob'ly just to cover her ass when she says that they'll meet a tall, dark stranger (hopefully that dark stranger won't kidnap/kill them) and it turns out that person that's "meant" for them is a total jerkwad.
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3rd May 2007, 01:06 PM	#12
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	Is there anything this woman won't say yes too?! I could ask her if anything is real and she'd say yes. Say anything. She'll confirm it. "Sylvia, is it true that Marie Antoinette is still alive?" "Yeah, she's here in America. It was a conspiracy. Don'tcha see?" She told a handful of people who their soulmates were on the show when I was on and she's told a bazillion people over the years. She talks about it in her books too so I think she officially believes in it.

3rd May 2007, 01:28 PM	#13
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,301	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe Is there anything this woman won't say yes too?! I could ask her if anything is real and she'd say yes. Say anything. She'll confirm it. "Sylvia, is it true that Marie Antoinette is still alive?" "Yeah, she's here in America. It was a conspiracy. Don'tcha see?" Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I think she will confirm anything that: 1. Is not testable, or 2. Is testable, but has good odds on being correct (like "there will be an earthquake this year", or "your missing child is laying dead in a ditch somewhere").
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grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 6,142	Originally Posted by Kilgore Trout I've yet to really find anything she doesn't claim to believe in... How about... 1) Integrity. 2) Honesty. 3) Truth. 4) Scruples. 5) Compassion. 6) Empathy. 7) Hygiene. 8) Self-esteem. 9) Accountability. 10) Responsibility. 11) Scientific Methodology. 12) Continuity. 13) Reliability. 14) Plausibility. 15) Philanthropy. 16) James Randi.
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LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	17) Common Human Decency
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Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The wet coast. Posts: 8,745	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Hypnotherapy in accredited schools. 5) The poor credentials, unverified claims, and hogwash in this segment are enigmatic of Montel's show. "Enigmatic"? "Emblematic", perhaps?
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headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,759	18) verifiable facts
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Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,423	I notice "Dr." FELDMAN asks some very leading questions. Good thing for DEBBIE's dad that he was not in another field of woodumb!
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Kilgore Trout Wuse Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tralfamadore Posts: 1,443	Okokok you got me! How about: She believes in everything that has been featured, or even mentioned parenthetically, on an episode of In Search Of?
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PastBrowneFan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 373	Originally Posted by grayman How about... 1) Integrity. 2) Honesty. 3) Truth. 4) Scruples. 5) Compassion. 6) Empathy. 7) Hygiene. 8) Self-esteem. 9) Accountability. 10) Responsibility. 11) Scientific Methodology. 12) Continuity. 13) Reliability. 14) Plausibility. 15) Philanthropy. 16) James Randi. There's a funny story about hygiene that could be told..........but all in due time.

3rd May 2007, 08:25 PM	#22
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	Come on! Do tell, PastBrowneFan. Kiss and tell!

3rd May 2007, 08:36 PM	#23
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mt Disappointment Posts: 33,466	Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan There's a funny story about hygiene that could be told..........but all in due time. Would it involve the use of toilet paper and those nails?
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3rd May 2007, 09:05 PM	#24
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Ergh. I'm thinking toilet paper and someone else's hands... Oof - there goes my lunch...
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3rd May 2007, 09:06 PM	#25
Jackalgirl Ping Jockey Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Honshu, Japan Posts: 1,787	No! No! Noooooooo! Please, no stories about Sylvia's hygiene habits! I don't want to know! <goes to hide, looking for a chopstick to stick up her nose and wiggle around so that she can erase the images brought up by the very idea...>
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3rd May 2007, 10:17 PM	#26
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,037	Originally Posted by Madalch "Enigmatic"? "Emblematic", perhaps? I meant emblematic, and I wrote: Originally Posted by Questioninggeller Soulmates. She says that "crazy." but meant: "Soul mates. She says that it is 'crazy'." That's what I get for posting when two people were talking to me.
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4th May 2007, 07:41 AM	#27
PastBrowneFan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 373	Quote: That's what I get for posting when two people were talking to me. Were they your spiritu guides? Do you have any messages for us?

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Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,978	Quote: "Ms." BROWNE: They--they sometimes talk to you. See, what you ought to do is be regressed hypnotically. Ah, yes. Hypnotic regression. The leading tool for digging up real memories.
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4th May 2007, 10:19 AM	#29
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,037	Originally Posted by PastBrowneFan Were they your spiritu guides? Do you have any messages for us? Haha... no two very real people came in when I was posting that, and wanted to chat.

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Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,221	Originally Posted by Zep Ergh. I'm thinking toilet paper and someone else's hands... Oof - there goes my lunch... Same here! Yet...there is a twisted, perverted part of me that really wants to know...

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Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,221	But maybe this should be added to Robert's site; that Sylvia not only claims to be psychic, but that she "does aliens."

4th May 2007, 01:31 PM	#32
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,037	More: Quote: SHOW: The Montel Williams Show 5:00 PM EST SYND November 30, 2005 Wednesday LENGTH: 6864 words HEADLINE: Sylvia Browne: Uncovering the Mysterious; Psychic Sylvia Browne answers audience members' questions ... WILLIAMS: All right. Well, look, my next guest says that she's encountered a UFO. And now, you got to stop and listen to this, because she was outside, and--and lost a full hour of time, has no idea what took place. Take a look at this. Ms. BROWNE: Yep. (Excerpt from videotape) CORINA: I will never be the same again. A girlfriend of mine and I went out on a back country road to go star gazing. My girlfriend said to me, `You know, there's something very strange up here. There's three stars, three bright lights up in the sky that I'm looking at, but they're formed in a triangular formation.' They all gathered into one object and turned this green neon-colored light. I grabbed my Million Candlelight, and I flashed it down the road. There were just five sets of eyes staring back at me. And all I could feel was terror. The next thing I remember is turning towards my girlfriend and saying, `Get in the car.' But it was, like, I was stuck in quicksand and going in slow motion. The next thing I know, we are both in the vehicle again. I put the key in the ignition, it would not start, but all the lights in the car, everything started going crazy. I turned the key once more, and thank God, it started. As we were speeding back into town, my girlfriend suddenly yelled at me, `Corina, look at the clock. We got here--when you parked, I looked at the clock, it said 12:07,' she said, `It's a little after 1. What's going on?' I said, `That would mean that we don't know what happened for about an hour?' In the morning, I went to the wash room, and I noticed that I had quite a large bruise on the side of my left ch--chest here. I need to know what happened during that missing time. (End of excerpt) WILLIAMS: Please welcome Corina to the show. Ms. BROWNE: You did encounter a UFO, but you weren't abducted. Now, let me tell you something. When I went through my UFO encounter, if you read my "Secrets and Mysteries," I lost time, too. But you weren't abducted. I'm not saying there isn't such a thing as abduction, but you weren't abducted. But I lost time. I also lost time, two hours, going through Pacheco Pass. CORINA: Why--what happened? Ms. BROWNE: Because what you did was you encountered them. You did talk to them, and they erased your memory. CORINA: So they didn't--what were the bruises on our bodies from? The burn mark on her back? All those things. Ms. BROWNE: No, you had fallen or something, but they had not done that. They didn't do anything invasive thing. WILLIAMS: So wait, during that hour, she's sitting on the side of the road? Did she get out of the car? Ms. BROWNE: No, she was standing there talking to them, like I did in Death Valley. WILLIAMS: So she had a conversation? Ms. BROWNE: Absolutely. CORINA: So the marks on our bodies aren't related? Ms. BROWNE: Oh, I'm sure they are. I--I think you were frightened, do you see what I'm saying, or fell or whatever. Do you see what I'm saying? CORINA: Oh, I see. Now, is this going to keep reoccurring, or is this coming to an end? Ms. BROWNE: No, no, no. But you know what I would do? I would go under some kind of hyp--hypnosis or, you know? CORINA: Yeah. Ms. BROWNE: Or regressive therapy, and just relieve it, do you see what I'm saying? I don't want necessarily to erase it, because, let's face it, we can get an awful lot of information from that. CORINA: Yes. Things have been happening to our children and I our whole lives, like, since they were little. Waking up with a hole in his spine. My son in 2002 woke up, perfect triangular formation with little burn marks, circular burn marks inside it. I mean, it was... WILLIAMS: Where? On his back, on his body? CORINA: On his back, around his spine area. I mean, we went to the doctor. We have medical records. I was hospitalized for a week. The doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. The white blood count was elevated, potassium levels crashed. It was crazy. My--my normal body temperature went down to 34.2. Like--it was--it's ridiculous. There's no end to this. I don't know what's going on. WILLIAMS: So, I'll ask the question. Even as--the way I feel about it, could she be one of those people who, like--you called them before, like a beacon or something? They keep coming back to her? Ms. BROWNE: Mm-hmm, yeah. But--yeah, yeah, they are, they're--they're almost like portals, you know what I mean? WILLIAMS: Uh-huh. Ms. BROWNE: But, see you're not. You always have had a very ticklish nervous system, though, do you see what I mean? I have a friend that--her body temperature goes up and down, she has all kinds of potassium and sodium problems. WILLIAMS: Unrelated to anything else? Ms. BROWNE: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. WILLIAMS: So circumstantial. CORINA: Yeah. Thank you. Ms. BROWNE: See, I don't want you to put everything that you have wrong with you into that. CORINA: No, I understand. Ms. BROWNE: If it was, then I'd say, `Hey, his name is, you know, whatever, Z-Pack, or whatever that show was.' And, you know, let's talk to, you know, your angels to get rid of him, or whatever. But there hasn't been. You did have a UFO encounter, I'm not discrediting that, and you did talk to this couple of people, do you see what I mean? CORINA: Yeah. Ms. BROWNE: That's why I'd like for you to go under hypnosis to find out what the hell you talked about. CORINA: Thank you. Thank you so much. Ms. BROWNE: Yes. ... and a few weeks ago: Quote: The Montel Williams Show SHOW: THE MONTEL WILLIAMS SHOW 12:00 AM EST April 25, 2007 Wednesday LENGTH: 10549 words HEADLINE: SYLVIA BROWNE: INSIDE THE PSYCHIC WORLD ... MONTEL WILLIAMS: You talk often about--and a lot of your books have been about this, about extraterrestrials, right? SYLVIA BROWNE: Oh, yeah. But I had a... WILLIAMS: Now, you believe in them? BROWNE: Oh, I saw them. WILLIAMS: Are they really little green men? Are they really us? BROWNE: No, they look like the rest of us. WILLIAMS: Do they, really? BROWNE: You've even had them in your audience. I didn't tell you, though. LAUGHTER WILLIAMS: I bet I got a couple out there right now. But what do they do? Do they just come out and hang out? BROWNE: Yeah, they're in politics. They're in engineering. They're everywhere. WILLIAMS: Well, our next guest said... BROWNE: And, and if they were little green people with big eyes, we'd know them. We'd say, oh, look at that one. WILLIAMS: But do they just kind of, are they're--is there, like, a, a shuttle to Earth set up? People can just come and hang out? BROWNE: Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's like--yeah, it's like a, yeah, it's good way to put it, a shuttle. WILLIAMS: Go on vacation to Earth. Right? BROWNE: Well see, they colonized us. WILLIAMS: I see. BROWNE: And they're coming back to see what we did with it. Can you imagine? WILLIAMS: Ah, yeah. Well, my next guests say that they think that something from another planet may have paid them a visit. Please welcome Suzanne and her daughter, Pam, to the show. Suzanne, what happened? Tell us what happened. APPLAUSE SUZANNE (BELIEVES A UFO MAY HAVE LANDED IN HER YARD): Well, my sister was visiting me from out of state. And we are walking around our lawn, my lawn. And she asked me what this discoloration was on one part of our property. And so, we went on down, about 75 feet away. And I looked and she looked, and there, behold was what looked like a crop circle. BROWNE: Circle. SUZANNE: It was about 20 by 20. A glowing, rust color, wheat color. The grass was going in a--I believe a counter-clockwise position. BROWNE: Clockwise. SUZANNE: And there was sumac bushes all around, because it's a wooded area. But the trees weren't growing right in that area. It was high grass. And the sumac bushes were all broken off. There was a bunch of them. BROWNE: Uh-huh. Where something had landed. SUZANNE: And, and there was projections going out, with foliage in between. It was still green. BROWNE: Yeah. SUZANNE: And I'm thinking, oh, dear, not again. WILLIAMS: What do you mean, not again? SUZANNE: Well... PAM (BAFFLED BY A LARGE UFO-SHAPED IMPRESSION IN HER YARD): I, in December, remember it to a T. In 1984, I was down in a lower field, which is about maybe 200 feet from this spot with my German shepherd. And there was a bright light in the corner. BROWNE: Right. PAM: It shot straight across. I didn't think too much, until it stopped and shot back again, and stopped. And then came back, center, over my dog and I. And it was making, pardon me, a (makes noise) sound. BROWNE: Yeah, funny noise, yeah. PAM: And the dog took off. BROWNE: Oh, yeah, dogs are so afraid about that. LAUGHTER PAM: And I took off right behind the dog. BROWNE: Dog is--you're on your own, kids. WILLIAMS: Right. PAM: And then, just to kind of play off of that is, I've had dreams. I don't know if I'm jumping to other places at night. But dreams that, to me, are terrifying. I try not to be afraid, but--not the little green men. But I know there's something tied into... BROWNE: Well, I think... PAM: ...outer limits. BROWNE: I think when you were there--you know, 'cause we lose time. I know when I went through, Panchenko pass, when I went to the Death Valley thing and had that experience. You do lose time. Now see, I don't think you were abducted. But what I think they do... PAM: No. BROWNE: ...I think they implant a lot of what we call cell memory. Do you see what I'm saying? PAM: Mm-hmm. BROWNE: Yeah, but that definitely is a UFO. PAM: Yeah, it looked just like your one in Mysteries of the Universe. BROWNE: Yes. PAM: The one picture, that's exactly it. BROWNE: Yeah, that I showed. PAM: I remember... BROWNE: That's exactly what I've gone through. PAM: And said, oh my God. BROWNE: And why would you and I, now, 'cause we don't know each other, do we? PAM: No. BROWNE: Why would we pick out the same thing? PAM: That was exactly it. I mean, depicted. BROWNE: Exactly. WILLIAMS: Wait. When you--so that night, you didn't--you had no knowledge of anything that landed before. Has it come back? SUZANNE: No. And it looked like it had just happened. It was in, like a 24-hour period. BROWNE: Yeah. SUZANNE: And the next three weeks, the grasses grew up into a normal position again. BROWNE: Yeah. But see, that's the shooting out of the projectant--projectile. SUZANNE: There was, yeah. There was also, around the perimeter, it was a half-circle, about an inch deep, like you would take a stick and, and draw that. BROWNE: Exactly, and draw. I know. SUZANNE: And I was wondering is, was it physical landing or inter-dimensional landing? BROWNE: It was a physical landing. SUZANNE: A physical landing. BROWNE: A physical landing, sure. SUZANNE: And so... BROWNE: Hi, how you doing? PAM: Yeah. WILLIAMS: How long ago was it that when that happened to you? PAM: 1984 when I saw it. WILLIAMS: Oh. So... PAM: Only in the last eight years of the dreams, I have... WILLIAMS: So you had 20 years--so 20 years, separate and go back. SUZANNE: Yes, in--in 2005, in October, this happened. WILLIAMS: Twenty-one years. BROWNE: Yeah. SUZANNE: And I took pictures a year later to show the normal topography. BROWNE: Yeah. But see, to them, they're kind of like us. They don't have time. Like we... WILLIAMS: Now we gotta wait about 20 years and put another camera down and see what happens. BROWNE: Oh, no. I think that they're gonna show themselves more and more. Don't be afraid of them. WILLIAMS: You believe this is... SUZANNE: Oh, no, we're not afraid. WILLIAMS: You believe that we're all gonna see it, pretty soon. BROWNE: Oh, God, yes. ...

4th May 2007, 01:34 PM	#33
Questioninggeller Illuminator Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,037	Originally Posted by Minarvia But maybe this should be added to Robert's site; that Sylvia not only claims to be psychic, but that she "does aliens." I agree. I wonder what those who think of her as a "spiritual teacher" think about her claims that aliens are among the human population.

4th May 2007, 03:10 PM	#34
RSLancastr www.StopSylvia.com Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Salem, Oregon Posts: 15,646	Originally Posted by Questioninggeller I agree. I wonder what those who think of her as a "spiritual teacher" think about her claims that aliens are among the human population. Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book.
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4th May 2007, 03:48 PM	#35
LostAngeles Anti-WM Jihadist Join Date: May 2004 Location: Having a cup of tea. Posts: 10,159	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book. So do aliens go to the other side and reincarnate too or what?
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4th May 2007, 03:50 PM	#36
Minarvia fading orb Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,221	Originally Posted by RSLancastr Most of them will already be aware of it, having read her "Secrets & Mystries" book. Ah, that's right. I stopped reading her stuff at about the time the Mother God/Father God books came out. So, she covers aliens in the new books. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. UFO's and aliens are in vogue again.