This Film Rated "R"; Contains Smoking - Page 2

tkingdoll · 12th June 2007, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Fraser

I read a comment that is may also be illegal to smoke at home if you have a plumber or whatever working at your house, which is then also his place of work. Should be interesting to see how that one goes.

Good luck to any plumber who tries to tell the householder who is employing him/her not to smoke in their own house. Sudden lack of trade does wonders for principles.

ponderingturtle · 12th June 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by tkingdoll

Good luck to any plumber who tries to tell the householder who is employing him/her not to smoke in their own house. Sudden lack of trade does wonders for principles.

Also a sudden lack of flush toilets or hot water funnily enough.

Overman · 12th June 2007, 01:11 PM

I also think that any movie in which one of those crazy "rock 'n' roll" songs gets played should get an 'R' rating.

alfaniner · 12th June 2007, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Overman

I also think that any movie in which one of those crazy "rock 'n' roll" songs gets played should get an 'R' rating.

Especially if it's only played over the end credits (even if it wasn't featured in the movie), thus ensuring its place on the soundtrack.

Corsair 115 · 13th June 2007, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar

I never once wanted to smoke. Rebellious teen thoughts saying do it because they say not? Didn't happen. It looks "cool" in the movies? Never thought it looked cool. Being alive? That's good reason for me to not want to. This isn't bragging. I'm not addicted, therefor I wouldn't have a craving for it. It's that simple. Peer pressure never really did much for me anyway. I was too busy just trying to avoid bullying to worry about running with any "cool" crowds, and frankly the DARE program actually worked with me. To this day I have no desire to stick a poison in my body.

My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me.

Of course, when I was younger I also had asthma, and there's nothing quite like a breathing disorder to make one appreciate the true value of being able to breathe clearly and easily.

alfaniner · 13th June 2007, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by strathmeyer

You're aware of who pays for these ads, right? Think hard, this is important.

I've seen this in the comic books. Frequently there are full-page ads, stating something like "Tobacco is whacko, if you're a teen." I seen the unspoken message as being "Yeah, but it's way cool if you're an adult!" (Sponsored by that cigarette company).

wolfgirl · 13th June 2007, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me.

Me, too. Both my parents smoked, so I was always surrounded by it. But I never even once had the urge to try it. And I was, and am, pretty rebellious. I simply didn't see the point of sucking smoke into my lungs and then being an addict...on purpose.

Actually, I think for me, peer pressure had the opposite effect. I was always so much a rebel that I even wanted to rebel against my peers. I never wanted to just be like the other kids and fit in. I preferred being different. Still do, I guess.

Dark Jaguar · 15th June 2007, 02:42 AM

Hah, that's familiar. As a teen, the last thing I wanted was to fit all the stereotypes about being a teenager, and I recognized the irony at the time at that. Fortunatly, most of those stereotypical teen things didn't really interest me anyway.

My mom used to smoke but quit before I was born, and made sure I understood it was silly and all. I don't know, the whole "they don't want me to do it, so I WILL" thing just didn't make too much sense to me. Never had asthma, though I did have a few flus or colds or some sort of allergic reaction to nature that had me gasping for a few hours. Doesn't happen any more these days.

(Well, maybe it's because I don't go outside that much. "Fresh air" is one of those meaningless phrases to me because I always breathe easier in a house than outdoors. I don't have asthma, as I said, but I do get the sniffles and start sneezing a lot. Also, the majority of plants seem to give me rashes, and not just the ones with poison in their name. Ragweed for example is one particularly nasty offender leaving massive rashes on me. The majority of plants usually just leave me itching at the point of contact but don't give me a rash. Basically where some see nature's "purity" and "health" I see a random arrangement of chemical compounds that could result in any number of unhealthy reactions, my only saving grace being the synthetic and unnatural compounds specially formulated in bottles at home. My paradise is a massive neo-future city where the ground is a big computer like in Wily's fortress, not some "eden" type scenario. Gee, maybe it isn't so surprising that I take issue with phrases like "unnatural" when everything about the outdoors just makes me want to release nanobots to assimilate the whole thing into a superior form that doesn't do stuff to me.)

Anyway, I dunno, I just never got a clear explanation as to why anyone would ever START smoking. That is still just a totally alien concept to me. I keep thinking it has to be ignorance but when I hear stories about people doing it for the sole reason that they are told it's bad for them and not to do it, well that's just not a good reason at all! I don't GET that. Maybe if you found out after some research it wasn't bad for you at all, sure, disobey all you want with my blessing. But... I dunno, I wasn't the sort who wanted to "fit in" at all (notable is that all my siblings are smoking-free, it wasn't just me). At the same time, I also wasn't the sort who always just HAD to be the opposite of everyone else. I neither strived to fit in or be different (in that prepackaged teen way). So, I wasn't motivated to smoke to fit in, nor was I motivated to smoke to "make a stand".

I think that educating kids about drugs is probably the best way to go about it, but I do agree that they went to some pretty ridiculous lengths and some outright lies were told in the name of preventing trouble. Maybe that's what did it? Is it that some found out they lied about the extreme stuff so they thought "smoking's probably not bad for me at all then, I'll do it", but that still doesn't explain why they would start, as they would have to at least think it felt good to do it...

It's still a mystery to me. Not really in my mind's makeup, and as time goes on I just am all the less willing to ever get addicted to anything. Further, the big "mind altering" stuff, like oh say alchohol, actually frightens me. I just don't want to lose my grip on reality if I can at all avoid it. Let's just say I don't know what a bar is like except what I've seen on TV.

Mashuna · 15th June 2007, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Mobyseven

So if a movie depicted a man drinking himself quite literally to death, that would be okay because alcohol is legal?

Leaving Las Vegas: Rated R for strong sexuality and language, violence and pervasive alcohol abuse

pgwenthold · 15th June 2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mashuna

Leaving Las Vegas: Rated R for strong sexuality and language, violence and pervasive alcohol abuse

and for showing booze dripping off Elizabeth Shue's ta-tas.

Mobyseven · 16th June 2007, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mashuna

Leaving Las Vegas: Rated R for strong sexuality and language, violence and pervasive alcohol abuse

While I'm pretty sure that the language and violence are the main reasons LLV got an R rating, that's a good example, and part of my point.

So far the MPAA seems to have considered everything except for tobacco. At least now they are being consistent (if, some might suggest, a bit prudish).

skeptifem · 16th June 2007, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar

I never once wanted to smoke. Rebellious teen thoughts saying do it because they say not? Didn't happen. It looks "cool" in the movies? Never thought it looked cool. Being alive? That's good reason for me to not want to. This isn't bragging. I'm not addicted, therefor I wouldn't have a craving for it. It's that simple. Peer pressure never really did much for me anyway. I was too busy just trying to avoid bullying to worry about running with any "cool" crowds, and frankly the DARE program actually worked with me. To this day I have no desire to stick a poison in my body.

uh wow, this is so off. I never once met anyone who was peer pressured into drugs, and the crowd that did do drugs was not the 'cool' crowd where i lived. I did a bunch of drugs. It was not that bad at all.

Mr. Stick · 17th June 2007, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me.

Of course, when I was younger I also had asthma, and there's nothing quite like a breathing disorder to make one appreciate the true value of being able to breathe clearly and easily.

Ever wonder why?

12th June 2007, 01:04 PM	#41
tkingdoll AKA TEEK Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Up Myself Posts: 12,471	Originally Posted by Fraser I read a comment that is may also be illegal to smoke at home if you have a plumber or whatever working at your house, which is then also his place of work. Should be interesting to see how that one goes. Good luck to any plumber who tries to tell the householder who is employing him/her not to smoke in their own house. Sudden lack of trade does wonders for principles.
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12th June 2007, 01:08 PM	#42
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12th June 2007, 01:11 PM	#43
Overman Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,630	I also think that any movie in which one of those crazy "rock 'n' roll" songs gets played should get an 'R' rating.
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12th June 2007, 01:23 PM	#44
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,399	Originally Posted by Overman I also think that any movie in which one of those crazy "rock 'n' roll" songs gets played should get an 'R' rating. Especially if it's only played over the end credits (even if it wasn't featured in the movie), thus ensuring its place on the soundtrack.
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13th June 2007, 12:31 AM	#45
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,591	Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar I never once wanted to smoke. Rebellious teen thoughts saying do it because they say not? Didn't happen. It looks "cool" in the movies? Never thought it looked cool. Being alive? That's good reason for me to not want to. This isn't bragging. I'm not addicted, therefor I wouldn't have a craving for it. It's that simple. Peer pressure never really did much for me anyway. I was too busy just trying to avoid bullying to worry about running with any "cool" crowds, and frankly the DARE program actually worked with me. To this day I have no desire to stick a poison in my body. My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me. Of course, when I was younger I also had asthma, and there's nothing quite like a breathing disorder to make one appreciate the true value of being able to breathe clearly and easily.
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13th June 2007, 09:13 AM	#46
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 11,399	Originally Posted by strathmeyer You're aware of who pays for these ads, right? Think hard, this is important. I've seen this in the comic books. Frequently there are full-page ads, stating something like "Tobacco is whacko, if you're a teen." I seen the unspoken message as being "Yeah, but it's way cool if you're an adult!" (Sponsored by that cigarette company).
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13th June 2007, 11:05 AM	#47
wolfgirl Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Kearney, MO Posts: 1,363	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me. Me, too. Both my parents smoked, so I was always surrounded by it. But I never even once had the urge to try it. And I was, and am, pretty rebellious. I simply didn't see the point of sucking smoke into my lungs and then being an addict...on purpose. Actually, I think for me, peer pressure had the opposite effect. I was always so much a rebel that I even wanted to rebel against my peers. I never wanted to just be like the other kids and fit in. I preferred being different. Still do, I guess.
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15th June 2007, 02:42 AM	#48
Dark Jaguar Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,666	Hah, that's familiar. As a teen, the last thing I wanted was to fit all the stereotypes about being a teenager, and I recognized the irony at the time at that. Fortunatly, most of those stereotypical teen things didn't really interest me anyway. My mom used to smoke but quit before I was born, and made sure I understood it was silly and all. I don't know, the whole "they don't want me to do it, so I WILL" thing just didn't make too much sense to me. Never had asthma, though I did have a few flus or colds or some sort of allergic reaction to nature that had me gasping for a few hours. Doesn't happen any more these days. (Well, maybe it's because I don't go outside that much. "Fresh air" is one of those meaningless phrases to me because I always breathe easier in a house than outdoors. I don't have asthma, as I said, but I do get the sniffles and start sneezing a lot. Also, the majority of plants seem to give me rashes, and not just the ones with poison in their name. Ragweed for example is one particularly nasty offender leaving massive rashes on me. The majority of plants usually just leave me itching at the point of contact but don't give me a rash. Basically where some see nature's "purity" and "health" I see a random arrangement of chemical compounds that could result in any number of unhealthy reactions, my only saving grace being the synthetic and unnatural compounds specially formulated in bottles at home. My paradise is a massive neo-future city where the ground is a big computer like in Wily's fortress, not some "eden" type scenario. Gee, maybe it isn't so surprising that I take issue with phrases like "unnatural" when everything about the outdoors just makes me want to release nanobots to assimilate the whole thing into a superior form that doesn't do stuff to me.) Anyway, I dunno, I just never got a clear explanation as to why anyone would ever START smoking. That is still just a totally alien concept to me. I keep thinking it has to be ignorance but when I hear stories about people doing it for the sole reason that they are told it's bad for them and not to do it, well that's just not a good reason at all! I don't GET that. Maybe if you found out after some research it wasn't bad for you at all, sure, disobey all you want with my blessing. But... I dunno, I wasn't the sort who wanted to "fit in" at all (notable is that all my siblings are smoking-free, it wasn't just me). At the same time, I also wasn't the sort who always just HAD to be the opposite of everyone else. I neither strived to fit in or be different (in that prepackaged teen way). So, I wasn't motivated to smoke to fit in, nor was I motivated to smoke to "make a stand". I think that educating kids about drugs is probably the best way to go about it, but I do agree that they went to some pretty ridiculous lengths and some outright lies were told in the name of preventing trouble. Maybe that's what did it? Is it that some found out they lied about the extreme stuff so they thought "smoking's probably not bad for me at all then, I'll do it", but that still doesn't explain why they would start, as they would have to at least think it felt good to do it... It's still a mystery to me. Not really in my mind's makeup, and as time goes on I just am all the less willing to ever get addicted to anything. Further, the big "mind altering" stuff, like oh say alchohol, actually frightens me. I just don't want to lose my grip on reality if I can at all avoid it. Let's just say I don't know what a bar is like except what I've seen on TV.

15th June 2007, 03:31 AM	#49
Mashuna Ovis ex Machina Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Welsh Wales Posts: 6,582	Originally Posted by Mobyseven So if a movie depicted a man drinking himself quite literally to death, that would be okay because alcohol is legal? Leaving Las Vegas: Rated R for strong sexuality and language, violence and pervasive alcohol abuse

15th June 2007, 07:03 AM	#50
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16th June 2007, 04:17 AM	#51
Mobyseven President of Covert-Ops Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Not the Rat. Posts: 5,672	Originally Posted by Mashuna Leaving Las Vegas: Rated R for strong sexuality and language, violence and pervasive alcohol abuse While I'm pretty sure that the language and violence are the main reasons LLV got an R rating, that's a good example, and part of my point. So far the MPAA seems to have considered everything except for tobacco. At least now they are being consistent (if, some might suggest, a bit prudish).
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16th June 2007, 06:01 PM	#52
skeptifem is not beauty 2K compliant Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,259	Originally Posted by Dark Jaguar I never once wanted to smoke. Rebellious teen thoughts saying do it because they say not? Didn't happen. It looks "cool" in the movies? Never thought it looked cool. Being alive? That's good reason for me to not want to. This isn't bragging. I'm not addicted, therefor I wouldn't have a craving for it. It's that simple. Peer pressure never really did much for me anyway. I was too busy just trying to avoid bullying to worry about running with any "cool" crowds, and frankly the DARE program actually worked with me. To this day I have no desire to stick a poison in my body. uh wow, this is so off. I never once met anyone who was peer pressured into drugs, and the crowd that did do drugs was not the 'cool' crowd where i lived. I did a bunch of drugs. It was not that bad at all.
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17th June 2007, 01:51 PM	#53
Mr. Stick Thinker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 231	Originally Posted by Corsair 115 My story is much the same. And when I was young my mom smoked and my dad would puff on the occasional cigar. But I never once had any interest in smoking, I just never got what the point was of sucking on a burning piece of tobacco. Just didn't seem to be of any relevant use to me. Of course, when I was younger I also had asthma, and there's nothing quite like a breathing disorder to make one appreciate the true value of being able to breathe clearly and easily. Ever wonder why?
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