Trudeau on 20/20

Eos of the Eons · 12th May 2007, 11:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms

I never saw this before today. I thought others might enjoy it. I sure did! I love John Stossel and 20/20.

They go over how Trudeau blatanly lies, always. They have dissatisfied customers that found no cures in his book. Etc.

Eos of the Eons · 12th May 2007, 11:44 AM

Oh, kevin over the top catering to other conspiracy theories: a reading from his newer book

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9j1Jfc8wxI

We little people are doomed, dooooommmmed...

Oh, he, like kyrah, is now claiming you can control your weight with thought.

Yep, control that hypothalamus with thought, and you can eat alllll you want to and never gain weight. http://www.bobbarefootbest.com/system/shopexd.asp?id=55

Quote:

The weight loss protocol outlined in The Weight Loss Cure They Don’t Want You To Know About is being used by doctors around the world to correct obesity for royalty, celebrities and the wealthy. Lose weight faster and easier than any other diet. After completing the protocol it has been said by doctors that you will not gain the weight back, as the protocol has reset your hypothalamus so that your appetite adjusts accordingly. Your metabolism will increase giving you more energy which continues to burn off unwanted fat.

Oh, and colonics, and lots of supplements and pricey spa equipment.
http://www.amazon.com/Weight-Loss-Cu.../dp/097878510X

Books are the biggest gold mine ever. And he's made enough money on his other cons to buy air time on infomercials to sell the books and keep the profits going. And those rotten big pharma people are the only ones that care about profit.

With all that money he has to buy huge houses and informercials, why doesn't he put some towards testing his claims. Ohhh because, unlike big pharma, he doesn't have to.

wahrheit · 12th May 2007, 12:21 PM

This guy makes Sylvia look like a saint. It makes me very, very ~~aggressive~~ sad that it is near impossible to stop Trudeau by law or authorities.

Brian Jackson · 12th May 2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by wahrheit

This guy makes Sylvia look like a saint. It makes me very, very ~~aggressive~~ sad that it is near impossible to stop Trudeau by law or authorities.

...and a bullet is, what, about 80 cents? For the people he's harmed, defrauded and have died, I'd spring for two.

blutoski · 12th May 2007, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Brian Jackson

...and a bullet is, what, about 80 cents? For the people he's harmed, defrauded and have died, I'd spring for two.

Well, let's not go that far.

My hope is that widespread exposure will dry up the potential market, but the public needs to have a way to access legitemate information. 20/20 is a step in the right direction, but not a complete solution.

My second hope is that an aware public will work toward developing a legislative framework so this type of fraud can be identified and dealt with. It really is just ordinary business fraud, as far as I'm concerned. Victims or their survivors need to come forward and press criminal charges.

Ducky · 12th May 2007, 09:43 PM

Honestly, I really do want to see what that asshat would do once he was diagnosed with cancer. I guarantee he would not use his own "cures."

If I ever find myself sitting next to him in an oncology waiting room, I will happily explain to the entire room what a fraud he is, then drag him out back and beat the everloving crap out of him.

I rarely seethe with such anger that I wish to physically harm someone. He's at the top of a very short list of people that cause that in me.

blutoski · 12th May 2007, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

Honestly, I really do want to see what that asshat would do once he was diagnosed with cancer. I guarantee he would not use his own "cures."

I think he probably would, actually.

In the open, in front of witnesses, soaking up all the publicity.

Of course, in secret, he'd get surgery, chemo, radiation therapy... We'd never hear about it (doctor-patient confidentiality).

blutoski · 12th May 2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by blutoski

I think he probably would, actually.

In the open, in front of witnesses, soaking up all the publicity.

Of course, in secret, he'd get surgery, chemo, radiation therapy... We'd never hear about it (doctor-patient confidentiality).

But yeah, it'd be nice to be a fly on the wall.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 12th May 2007, 09:53 PM

You know what drives me positively insane?

Trying to decide who's worse, Sylvia or Kevin!

It's like deciding whether you'd rrather eat puke or feces! Or which of your children you love more.

Ducky · 12th May 2007, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

You know what drives me positively insane?

Trying to decide who's worse, Sylvia or Kevin!

It's like deciding whether you'd rrather eat puke or feces! Or which of your children you love more.

Agreed.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 12th May 2007, 10:01 PM

Ultimately, I'd go with Sylv but I think that's only cause I know way more about her and, as they say, familiarity breeds contempt.

Ducky · 12th May 2007, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe

Ultimately, I'd go with Sylv but I think that's only cause I know way more about her and, as they say, familiarity breeds contempt.

As a cancer survivor I'd go with Trudeau, but Sylvia's BS medical advice is a fast second.

EeneyMinnieMoe · 12th May 2007, 10:20 PM

Screwing with someone's health to make a buck is the lowest of the low but it'll be a long time before I forget how cruel Sylvia was to those poor people.

Eos of the Eons · 12th May 2007, 11:00 PM

eh, this ain't no contest

Medical quackery and paranormal woo cons are quite different leagues most of the time. Although, slinky sylvia does her own kind of medical advice idiocy too. They are both horrendously twisted in their own many devious ways.
Sylvia does a wee bit less conspiracy theory, and Trudeau does a wee bit less paranormal woo.

I wonder who has hurt the most people though, and caused the most deaths? Anyone able to get a score card? Unless the victims come forward more, then we'll never know.

tundranaut · 13th May 2007, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by fowlsound

I rarely seethe with such anger that I wish to physically harm someone. He's at the top of a very short list of people that cause that in me.

I see that you feel my pain. My mother-in-law is one of Trudeau's fans and she loaned me a copy of his "book" a.k.a the 130-page advertisement for his pay Web site.

I've wasted many valuable breaths trying to explain to her that Trudeau is a fraud and a predator.

scratchy · 13th May 2007, 12:20 AM

Regarding Sylvia and Trudeau i would guess that Trudeau must be the most dangerous one. From transcripts ive seen from Sylvias readings, although she makes stupid claims about peoples health, she however tells them to seek further advice and treatment from real doctors. Trudeau does the opposite, telling sick people to quit their medication and abondone real health care.

Ducky · 13th May 2007, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by tundranaut

I see that you feel my pain. My mother-in-law is one of Trudeau's fans and she loaned me a copy of his "book" a.k.a the 130-page advertisement for his pay Web site.

I've wasted many valuable breaths trying to explain to her that Trudeau is a fraud and a predator.

I've received no less than 5 copies of that book from people who apparently think if I change the pH of my bloodstream all that cancer will just wither away.

Every time I got it, I was polite and threw the book in the trash later. Of course, at the time I was on rather heavy medications. I doubt I would be so kind now that I have my mobility back, and am not on painkillers.

Eos of the Eons · 13th May 2007, 06:49 AM

If you actually could change the pH of the blood for just a drop in time, you'd be adversely affected either way.

Quote:

The effect of pH on the ability of hemoglobin to bind oxygen is called the Bohr effect

http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-35406

Changes in pH cause the blood to not exchange gasses effectively, and you'd die of a lack of oxygen.

JJM · 13th May 2007, 10:03 AM

The idiots who talk about controlling blood pH (acidity/alkalinity) are usually talking about urine or saliva pH. The pH of the blood is tightly controlled between 7.35 and 7.45. I once read a testimonial saying the person had a blood pH of 5.5. That's the blood pH of someone who has been dead a long time (it turned out to be her urine). The link, below, is to a good article on pH woo:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...e_or_woo_1.php

gfunkusarelius · 14th May 2007, 08:46 AM

unfortunately i recently found out one of my inlaws had gotten kevin's book "free." they were complaining because it was one of those things where it was free plus shipping and handling. and of course s/h was bumped up to overnight and then it didnt come overnight, yada yada yada and in the end it was about fifty bucks and they refused to let them return it.

i checked out the book from the library and the saddest thing is he doesnt really give any cures in the book. it has been a little while since i read it, but i was at least hoping for something like a recipe for a cure, but it is mostly either common sense crap that at least wont hurt you or paranoid ramblings about how there are cures they dont want you to know about. but i didnt really see anything that was even concrete direction in terms of curing the big diseases. it was just retarded...

JJM · 14th May 2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by gfunkusarelius

i checked out the book from the library and the saddest thing is he doesnt really give any cures in the book. it has been a little while since i read it, but i was at least hoping for something like a recipe for a cure, but it is mostly either common sense crap that at least wont hurt you or paranoid ramblings about how there are cures they dont want you to know about. but i didnt really see anything that was even concrete direction in terms of curing the big diseases. it was just retarded...

Yes, there are no "cures" described in the book. One buys it for the privilege of being sent to his web-site where one can purchase information on the "cures." Despite the fact that this amply documented in reviews by disgruntled, "true AltMed believers" at Amazon- he sells his junk hand-over-fist.

12th May 2007, 11:30 AM	#1
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Trudeau on 20/20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms I never saw this before today. I thought others might enjoy it. I sure did! I love John Stossel and 20/20. They go over how Trudeau blatanly lies, always. They have dissatisfied customers that found no cures in his book. Etc.
	__________________ Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it!

12th May 2007, 11:44 AM	#2
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	Oh, kevin over the top catering to other conspiracy theories: a reading from his newer book http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9j1Jfc8wxI We little people are doomed, dooooommmmed... Oh, he, like kyrah, is now claiming you can control your weight with thought. Yep, control that hypothalamus with thought, and you can eat alllll you want to and never gain weight. http://www.bobbarefootbest.com/system/shopexd.asp?id=55 Quote: The weight loss protocol outlined in The Weight Loss Cure They Don’t Want You To Know About is being used by doctors around the world to correct obesity for royalty, celebrities and the wealthy. Lose weight faster and easier than any other diet. After completing the protocol it has been said by doctors that you will not gain the weight back, as the protocol has reset your hypothalamus so that your appetite adjusts accordingly. Your metabolism will increase giving you more energy which continues to burn off unwanted fat. Oh, and colonics, and lots of supplements and pricey spa equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Weight-Loss-Cu.../dp/097878510X Books are the biggest gold mine ever. And he's made enough money on his other cons to buy air time on infomercials to sell the books and keep the profits going. And those rotten big pharma people are the only ones that care about profit. With all that money he has to buy huge houses and informercials, why doesn't he put some towards testing his claims. Ohhh because, unlike big pharma, he doesn't have to.
	__________________ Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it! Last edited by Eos of the Eons; 12th May 2007 at 11:53 AM.

12th May 2007, 12:21 PM	#3
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,591	This guy makes Sylvia look like a saint. It makes me very, very ~~aggressive~~ sad that it is near impossible to stop Trudeau by law or authorities.
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12th May 2007, 05:55 PM	#5
blutoski Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 6,014	Originally Posted by Brian Jackson ...and a bullet is, what, about 80 cents? For the people he's harmed, defrauded and have died, I'd spring for two. Well, let's not go that far. My hope is that widespread exposure will dry up the potential market, but the public needs to have a way to access legitemate information. 20/20 is a step in the right direction, but not a complete solution. My second hope is that an aware public will work toward developing a legislative framework so this type of fraud can be identified and dealt with. It really is just ordinary business fraud, as far as I'm concerned. Victims or their survivors need to come forward and press criminal charges.
	__________________ "Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett

12th May 2007, 09:46 PM	#7
blutoski Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 6,014	Originally Posted by fowlsound Honestly, I really do want to see what that asshat would do once he was diagnosed with cancer. I guarantee he would not use his own "cures." I think he probably would, actually. In the open, in front of witnesses, soaking up all the publicity. Of course, in secret, he'd get surgery, chemo, radiation therapy... We'd never hear about it (doctor-patient confidentiality).
	__________________ "Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett

12th May 2007, 03:55 PM	#4
Brian Jackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 1,025	Originally Posted by wahrheit This guy makes Sylvia look like a saint. It makes me very, very ~~aggressive~~ sad that it is near impossible to stop Trudeau by law or authorities. ...and a bullet is, what, about 80 cents? For the people he's harmed, defrauded and have died, I'd spring for two.

12th May 2007, 09:43 PM	#6
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Honestly, I really do want to see what that asshat would do once he was diagnosed with cancer. I guarantee he would not use his own "cures." If I ever find myself sitting next to him in an oncology waiting room, I will happily explain to the entire room what a fraud he is, then drag him out back and beat the everloving crap out of him. I rarely seethe with such anger that I wish to physically harm someone. He's at the top of a very short list of people that cause that in me.

12th May 2007, 09:47 PM	#8
blutoski Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 6,014	Originally Posted by blutoski I think he probably would, actually. In the open, in front of witnesses, soaking up all the publicity. Of course, in secret, he'd get surgery, chemo, radiation therapy... We'd never hear about it (doctor-patient confidentiality). But yeah, it'd be nice to be a fly on the wall.
	__________________ "Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." - Terry Pratchett

12th May 2007, 09:53 PM	#9
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	You know what drives me positively insane? Trying to decide who's worse, Sylvia or Kevin! It's like deciding whether you'd rrather eat puke or feces! Or which of your children you love more.

12th May 2007, 09:54 PM	#10
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe You know what drives me positively insane? Trying to decide who's worse, Sylvia or Kevin! It's like deciding whether you'd rrather eat puke or feces! Or which of your children you love more. Agreed.

12th May 2007, 10:01 PM	#11
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	Ultimately, I'd go with Sylv but I think that's only cause I know way more about her and, as they say, familiarity breeds contempt.

12th May 2007, 10:06 PM	#12
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by EeneyMinnieMoe Ultimately, I'd go with Sylv but I think that's only cause I know way more about her and, as they say, familiarity breeds contempt. As a cancer survivor I'd go with Trudeau, but Sylvia's BS medical advice is a fast second.

12th May 2007, 10:20 PM	#13
EeneyMinnieMoe Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,660	Screwing with someone's health to make a buck is the lowest of the low but it'll be a long time before I forget how cruel Sylvia was to those poor people.

12th May 2007, 11:00 PM	#14
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	eh, this ain't no contest Medical quackery and paranormal woo cons are quite different leagues most of the time. Although, slinky sylvia does her own kind of medical advice idiocy too. They are both horrendously twisted in their own many devious ways. Sylvia does a wee bit less conspiracy theory, and Trudeau does a wee bit less paranormal woo. I wonder who has hurt the most people though, and caused the most deaths? Anyone able to get a score card? Unless the victims come forward more, then we'll never know.
	__________________ Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it!

13th May 2007, 12:08 AM	#15
tundranaut Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 35	Originally Posted by fowlsound I rarely seethe with such anger that I wish to physically harm someone. He's at the top of a very short list of people that cause that in me. I see that you feel my pain. My mother-in-law is one of Trudeau's fans and she loaned me a copy of his "book" a.k.a the 130-page advertisement for his pay Web site. I've wasted many valuable breaths trying to explain to her that Trudeau is a fraud and a predator.
tundranaut Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 35	Last edited by tundranaut; 13th May 2007 at 12:10 AM. Reason: clarity

13th May 2007, 12:20 AM	#16
scratchy Muse Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the happy state of denial Posts: 607	Regarding Sylvia and Trudeau i would guess that Trudeau must be the most dangerous one. From transcripts ive seen from Sylvias readings, although she makes stupid claims about peoples health, she however tells them to seek further advice and treatment from real doctors. Trudeau does the opposite, telling sick people to quit their medication and abondone real health care.
	Last edited by scratchy; 13th May 2007 at 01:57 AM.

13th May 2007, 12:59 AM	#17
Ducky Titanium Puprhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mayor of your front lawn. Posts: 12,296	Originally Posted by tundranaut I see that you feel my pain. My mother-in-law is one of Trudeau's fans and she loaned me a copy of his "book" a.k.a the 130-page advertisement for his pay Web site. I've wasted many valuable breaths trying to explain to her that Trudeau is a fraud and a predator. I've received no less than 5 copies of that book from people who apparently think if I change the pH of my bloodstream all that cancer will just wither away. Every time I got it, I was polite and threw the book in the trash later. Of course, at the time I was on rather heavy medications. I doubt I would be so kind now that I have my mobility back, and am not on painkillers.

13th May 2007, 06:49 AM	#18
Eos of the Eons Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Alberta Posts: 13,894	If you actually could change the pH of the blood for just a drop in time, you'd be adversely affected either way. Quote: The effect of pH on the ability of hemoglobin to bind oxygen is called the Bohr effect http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-35406 Changes in pH cause the blood to not exchange gasses effectively, and you'd die of a lack of oxygen.
	__________________ Motion affecting a measuring device does not affect what is actually being measured, except to inaccurately measure it. the immaterial world doesn't matter, cause it ain't matter-Jeff Corey my karma ran over my dogma-vbloke The Lateral Truth: An Apostate's Bible Stories by Rebecca Bradley, read it!

13th May 2007, 10:03 AM	#19
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,855	The idiots who talk about controlling blood pH (acidity/alkalinity) are usually talking about urine or saliva pH. The pH of the blood is tightly controlled between 7.35 and 7.45. I once read a testimonial saying the person had a blood pH of 5.5. That's the blood pH of someone who has been dead a long time (it turned out to be her urine). The link, below, is to a good article on pH woo: http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...e_or_woo_1.php
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,855

14th May 2007, 08:46 AM	#20
gfunkusarelius Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 442	unfortunately i recently found out one of my inlaws had gotten kevin's book "free." they were complaining because it was one of those things where it was free plus shipping and handling. and of course s/h was bumped up to overnight and then it didnt come overnight, yada yada yada and in the end it was about fifty bucks and they refused to let them return it. i checked out the book from the library and the saddest thing is he doesnt really give any cures in the book. it has been a little while since i read it, but i was at least hoping for something like a recipe for a cure, but it is mostly either common sense crap that at least wont hurt you or paranoid ramblings about how there are cures they dont want you to know about. but i didnt really see anything that was even concrete direction in terms of curing the big diseases. it was just retarded...
	__________________ --------------------- "you can't argue with crazy" -not sure http://annoyed-skeptic.blogspot.com/ (my blog)

14th May 2007, 03:46 PM	#21
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,855	Originally Posted by gfunkusarelius i checked out the book from the library and the saddest thing is he doesnt really give any cures in the book. it has been a little while since i read it, but i was at least hoping for something like a recipe for a cure, but it is mostly either common sense crap that at least wont hurt you or paranoid ramblings about how there are cures they dont want you to know about. but i didnt really see anything that was even concrete direction in terms of curing the big diseases. it was just retarded... Yes, there are no "cures" described in the book. One buys it for the privilege of being sent to his web-site where one can purchase information on the "cures." Despite the fact that this amply documented in reviews by disgruntled, "true AltMed believers" at Amazon- he sells his junk hand-over-fist.
JJM Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,855