What to do with prostitutes

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 04:17 AM

Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven.

Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets.
The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell.
What should people do. Having created this trade, should we now use them and abuse them more or should we let them starve or find some other criminal activity in order to live.
Are we paying them for our gratification or is the payment to ease our conscience for creating them.
Do some of us use them with compassion because we recognize that they are our creation? Or am I trying to justify their existence. In countries where poverty is rampant and children are sold by their own parents, can it be said that this is good in order to maintain a family structure. Is it OK to go to some of these places of poverty and contribute to their economy. Not availing ourselves of this product do we help the country to stay poor.
The same weird situation exists where child labor occurs. If we do not buy the carpet woven by the eight year old, does his family then go hungry.
There is good and evil in everything, can we clear up the view of this problem and know the best course of action?
Does survival of the fittest include the ability to use and abuse our own children. We tend to continue with these unsightly customs regardless of the wealth of a given nation. Would wealth and education put an end to these practices? It appears not.
Question for debate.
Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way.
Please do not say things like ending poverty without telling us how.
Impossible solutions are not solutions.

Regards
DL

Lothian · 21st May 2007, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way.

You could just give them money without using the service.

largeprimenumber · 21st May 2007, 04:40 AM

I think you are wrong in assuming prostitutes to be victims, young, and junkies. Certainly, some are. Certainly, not all are.

Prostitution is a job, just like making clothes. You don't assume that all workers who make clothes are child laborers in sweatshops, do you?

A prostitute is essentially no different from any other laborer. They are exchanging the service of their minds and bodies for a wage. It is a virtue under most systems of morals to work hard for your pay. Unfortunately, under the dominant systems of morals, sex is a sin.

You do have a point in that society compounds its ill-treatment of them and takes advantage of them.

Freethinker · 21st May 2007, 09:48 AM

The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemed by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange.

fuelair · 21st May 2007, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven.

Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets.
The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell.
What should people do. Having created this trade, should we now use them and abuse them more or should we let them starve or find some other criminal activity in order to live.
Are we paying them for our gratification or is the payment to ease our conscience for creating them.
Do some of us use them with compassion because we recognize that they are our creation? Or am I trying to justify their existence. In countries where poverty is rampant and children are sold by their own parents, can it be said that this is good in order to maintain a family structure. Is it OK to go to some of these places of poverty and contribute to their economy. Not availing ourselves of this product do we help the country to stay poor.
The same weird situation exists where child labor occurs. If we do not buy the carpet woven by the eight year old, does his family then go hungry.
There is good and evil in everything, can we clear up the view of this problem and know the best course of action?
Does survival of the fittest include the ability to use and abuse our own children. We tend to continue with these unsightly customs regardless of the wealth of a given nation. Would wealth and education put an end to these practices? It appears not.
Question for debate.
Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way.
Please do not say things like ending poverty without telling us how.
Impossible solutions are not solutions.

Regards
DL

Who is this we you continually refer to?

Arkan_Wolfshade · 21st May 2007, 10:22 AM

Bunny Ranch

Orangutan · 21st May 2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven.[+]

Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies[*]. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred[*]. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets.
The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally[*]. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative[*]. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps[*] and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell.[*]

+ Speculation
* Citations Needed.

slingblade · 21st May 2007, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade

Bunny Ranch

Nah, Dennis is a jerk. Go to the White Horse instead.

toddjh · 21st May 2007, 02:09 PM

Legalize it. Sure, it won't solve everything, and your average streetwalker will still exist as a "discount" hooker for desperate men, but I can think of no better way to help prostitutes than to decouple them from the drug trade and other forms of organized crime.

So legalize it, and make it licensed and monitored by the local health department.

Z · 21st May 2007, 02:15 PM

Amen to that.

I saw the OP title, and thought, "if you don't know what to do with a prostitute by now, you probably don't need to know yet."

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lothian

You could just give them money without using the service.

Many would just smoke it away.
Further charity would be a further abuse adding to their feelings of worthlessness.

Not the answer but thanks.

Regards
DL

Piscivore · 21st May 2007, 02:40 PM

Does it make a difference what their skin colour is?

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by largeprimenumber

I think you are wrong in assuming prostitutes to be victims, young, and junkies. Certainly, some are. Certainly, not all are.

Prostitution is a job, just like making clothes. You don't assume that all workers who make clothes are child laborers in sweatshops, do you?

A prostitute is essentially no different from any other laborer.

GIA wrote
Not to insult but if your child is a dentist you would likely avail yourself of his or her services. Is your cavalier thinking saying that you wold avail yourself as easily if your child turned to prostitution.

They are exchanging the service of their minds and bodies for a wage. It is a virtue under most systems of morals to work hard for your pay. Unfortunately, under the dominant systems of morals, sex is a sin.

You do have a point in that society compounds its ill-treatment of them and takes advantage of them.

No insult meant but I have already heard some quick reversals of your comments.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Freethinker

The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemned by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange.

The last statistics I saw showed 40% of prostitutes were abused in the home. Fathers only slightly less than stepfathers.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Who is this we you continually refer to?

All of us are part of the problem. Except of course you and I.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Orangutan

+ Speculation
* Citations Needed.

The numbers change in different countries as well as the conditions of the problem.

If you do not see a problem, enjoy.

Regards
DL

Lothian · 21st May 2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Many would just smoke it away.
Further charity would be a further abuse adding to their feelings of worthlessness.

Not the answer but thanks.

Regards
DL

You asked if there was a better way to help them than using their services.

I suggested that giving them the money and not using their services is better than the option you gave. You disagree. Please explain why having sex with them for money is better.

Note: I never said I had the answer I just suggested a better way

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by toddjh

Legalize it. Sure, it won't solve everything, and your average streetwalker will still exist as a "discount" hooker for desperate men, but I can think of no better way to help prostitutes than to decouple them from the drug trade and other forms of organized crime.

So legalize it, and make it licensed and monitored by the local health department.

I am beginning to agree but that does not stop the abuse at home.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · 21st May 2007, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lothian

You asked if there was a better way to help them than using their services.

I suggested that giving them the money and not using their services is better than the option you gave. You disagree. Please explain why having sex with them for money is better.

Note: I never said I had the answer I just suggested a better way

I am not saying that using their services is better, I am saying that your way would not work.
Just looking for insight.

Regards
DL

Quinn · 21st May 2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

I am beginning to agree but that does not stop the abuse at home.

Then are you changing the question to "What can we do about child abuse?"

gtc · 21st May 2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

Does it make a difference what their skin colour is?

I suspect so. A couple of telephone calls to your nearest "houses of ill-repute" should let you know what the going rates are for the various races. Of course, you need to account for looks and experience before you can isolate the effects of skin colour.

Am I wilfully misinterpreting your post? I hate it when I do that.

Lothian · 21st May 2007, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

I am not saying that using their services is better, I am saying that your way would not work.
Just looking for insight.

Regards
DL

That is changing the original question.

Quote:

Question for debate.
Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way.

My way is a better way but it won't solve the problems you are now bringing up.

Tanstaafl · 21st May 2007, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Freethinker

The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemed by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange.

Yes, I've often said that marrying for money is simply prostitution with a long-term contract.

Piscivore · 21st May 2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by gtc

I suspect so. A couple of telephone calls to your nearest "houses of ill-repute" should let you know what the going rates are for the various races. Of course, you need to account for looks and experience before you can isolate the effects of skin colour.

Am I wilfully misinterpreting your post? I hate it when I do that.

The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same.

largeprimenumber · 21st May 2007, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

No insult meant but I have already heard some quick reversals of your comments.

Regards
DL

"Reversals"? What?

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Not to insult but if your child is a dentist you would likely avail yourself of his or her services. Is your cavalier thinking saying that you wold avail yourself as easily if your child turned to prostitution.

What does this have to do with anything?

You say that you're looking for "insight", but your assumptions about prostitution are not held by all and are stifling discussion. Nor does it help that you haven't said more than a couple of lines in response to anyone.

Piscivore · 21st May 2007, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way.

There's always Gary's way.

MelBrooksfan · 21st May 2007, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same.

He'd have a tough time. New prostitutes could just spring up.

Hokulele · 21st May 2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same.

What? Someone would lose a little skin and blood trying to throw me out of anything.

Piscivore · 21st May 2007, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan

He'd have a tough time. New prostitutes could just spring up.

And the robotic ones wouldn't be phased all that much.

Originally Posted by Hokulele

What? Someone would lose a little skin and blood trying to throw me out of anything.

I perhaps could have better said "people of differing ethnicities". Further, you're on the short list of people I would get out of my chair to stop from being thrown off a spaceship, if that helps.

And one naturally wonders if your statement includes bed. Rowr.

MelBrooksfan · 21st May 2007, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

And the robotic ones wouldn't be phased all that much.

We have Roboprostitutes? Why not Robocops?

Darth Rotor · 21st May 2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

If you do not see a problem, enjoy.

I make love with my wife. I enjoy.

Back to your OP, the answer for me of "what do do with prostitutes" is

Leave them alone.

DR

Piscivore · 21st May 2007, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan

We have Roboprostitutes? Why not Robocops?

Priorities.

Hokulele · 21st May 2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I perhaps could have better said "people of differing ethnicities". Further, you're on the short list of people I would get out of my chair to stop from being thrown off a spaceship, if that helps.

Gee, thanks.

Quote:

And one naturally wonders if your statement includes bed. Rowr.

That is assuming anyone would want to throw me out of their bed.

Just for the record, I agree with DR. The best thing to do with prostitutes is to leave them alone. If they want counseling or other types of job skills training, it should be made available, but not forced on anyone.

DangerousBeliefs · 21st May 2007, 05:18 PM

I think just like marijuana, we should legalize it and regulate it.

This greatly reduces the drug, pregnancy, disease, pimp, abuse, underage, etc. problems with prostitution.

Loss Leader · 21st May 2007, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Orangutan

+ Speculation
* Citations Needed.

That's pretty much par for the course with a GIA post. He should come with a warning label.

Wheezebucket · 21st May 2007, 07:02 PM

I know a couple prostitutes who would take issue with your portrayal of them in that first post. It's not a good idea to assume that just because somebody ****s for money that it's because of some past child abuse. Could it be? Sure. Is it always? Not hardly.

The Great Hairy One · 21st May 2007, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

The last statistics I saw showed 40% of prostitutes were abused in the home. Fathers only slightly less than stepfathers.

Regards
DL

40% is a minority. So 60% of prostitutes were not abused, and yet became prostitutes anyway.

Cheers,
TGHO

arthwollipot · 21st May 2007, 08:44 PM

40% may be a minority, but it's probably still higher than the general population. Without seeing specific statistics it would be hard to determine whether there is a genuine correlation.

In particular, I'd like to see statistics on the percentage of, say, Catholic priests who were abused in the home. Or health care workers. Or general practicioners.

I feel that legalisation is the way to go. Not only would it give prostitutes better access to health care (which in many cases is desparately needed) but it would give them legitimacy, self-esteem, and better conditions, wages and awards.

There's obviously a societal need for prostitutes - there's a reason why it's known as "the oldest profession". Why stigmatise them for that?

Darth Rotor · 22nd May 2007, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

Just for the record, I agree with DR.

Garsh. I feel all warm and happy.

DR

Paul C. Anagnostopoulos · 22nd May 2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Largeprime

A prostitute is essentially no different from any other laborer. They are exchanging the service of their minds and bodies for a wage. It is a virtue under most systems of morals to work hard for your pay. Unfortunately, under the dominant systems of morals, sex is a sin.

In fact, one might arguing that selling your mind for money is more prostitutive than selling your body for money.

~~ Paul

21st May 2007, 04:17 AM	#1
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	What to do with prostitutes Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven. Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets. The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell. What should people do. Having created this trade, should we now use them and abuse them more or should we let them starve or find some other criminal activity in order to live. Are we paying them for our gratification or is the payment to ease our conscience for creating them. Do some of us use them with compassion because we recognize that they are our creation? Or am I trying to justify their existence. In countries where poverty is rampant and children are sold by their own parents, can it be said that this is good in order to maintain a family structure. Is it OK to go to some of these places of poverty and contribute to their economy. Not availing ourselves of this product do we help the country to stay poor. The same weird situation exists where child labor occurs. If we do not buy the carpet woven by the eight year old, does his family then go hungry. There is good and evil in everything, can we clear up the view of this problem and know the best course of action? Does survival of the fittest include the ability to use and abuse our own children. We tend to continue with these unsightly customs regardless of the wealth of a given nation. Would wealth and education put an end to these practices? It appears not. Question for debate. Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way. Please do not say things like ending poverty without telling us how. Impossible solutions are not solutions. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 04:40 AM	#3
largeprimenumber Scholar Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 84	I think you are wrong in assuming prostitutes to be victims, young, and junkies. Certainly, some are. Certainly, not all are. Prostitution is a job, just like making clothes. You don't assume that all workers who make clothes are child laborers in sweatshops, do you? A prostitute is essentially no different from any other laborer. They are exchanging the service of their minds and bodies for a wage. It is a virtue under most systems of morals to work hard for your pay. Unfortunately, under the dominant systems of morals, sex is a sin. You do have a point in that society compounds its ill-treatment of them and takes advantage of them.
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21st May 2007, 09:48 AM	#4
Freethinker Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Uncanny Valley Posts: 1,358	The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemed by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange.
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21st May 2007, 10:19 AM	#5
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven. Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets. The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell. What should people do. Having created this trade, should we now use them and abuse them more or should we let them starve or find some other criminal activity in order to live. Are we paying them for our gratification or is the payment to ease our conscience for creating them. Do some of us use them with compassion because we recognize that they are our creation? Or am I trying to justify their existence. In countries where poverty is rampant and children are sold by their own parents, can it be said that this is good in order to maintain a family structure. Is it OK to go to some of these places of poverty and contribute to their economy. Not availing ourselves of this product do we help the country to stay poor. The same weird situation exists where child labor occurs. If we do not buy the carpet woven by the eight year old, does his family then go hungry. There is good and evil in everything, can we clear up the view of this problem and know the best course of action? Does survival of the fittest include the ability to use and abuse our own children. We tend to continue with these unsightly customs regardless of the wealth of a given nation. Would wealth and education put an end to these practices? It appears not. Question for debate. Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way. Please do not say things like ending poverty without telling us how. Impossible solutions are not solutions. Regards DL Who is this we you continually refer to?
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21st May 2007, 10:22 AM	#6
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Lothian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: https://twitter.com/CV4UK Posts: 10,373	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way. You could just give them money without using the service.

21st May 2007, 10:33 AM	#7
Orangutan Graduate Poster Tagger Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida. Posts: 1,175	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Prostitutes must have a special place in Heaven.[+] Prostitutes. male or female, are products of abuse by our societies[]. These young people come out of homes where physical, mental and sexual abuse has occurred[]. They are basically forced from their environment to the streets. The societal response to these abused people is rather strange. We create them and then use our police and laws to further abuse our sons and daughters legally[]. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative[]. We drive them to a lifestyle of drugs and slavery under pimps[] and use police to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten jail cell.[] + Speculation * Citations Needed.

21st May 2007, 11:18 AM	#8
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	Originally Posted by Arkan_Wolfshade Bunny Ranch Nah, Dennis is a jerk. Go to the White Horse instead.
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21st May 2007, 02:09 PM	#9
toddjh Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,252	Legalize it. Sure, it won't solve everything, and your average streetwalker will still exist as a "discount" hooker for desperate men, but I can think of no better way to help prostitutes than to decouple them from the drug trade and other forms of organized crime. So legalize it, and make it licensed and monitored by the local health department.

21st May 2007, 02:15 PM	#10
Z D.D.D. Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In a den in my lair, on the edge of your mind. Posts: 9,166	Amen to that. I saw the OP title, and thought, "if you don't know what to do with a prostitute by now, you probably don't need to know yet."
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21st May 2007, 02:35 PM	#11
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Lothian You could just give them money without using the service. Many would just smoke it away. Further charity would be a further abuse adding to their feelings of worthlessness. Not the answer but thanks. Regards DL
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Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,479	Does it make a difference what their skin colour is?
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21st May 2007, 02:41 PM	#13
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by largeprimenumber I think you are wrong in assuming prostitutes to be victims, young, and junkies. Certainly, some are. Certainly, not all are. Prostitution is a job, just like making clothes. You don't assume that all workers who make clothes are child laborers in sweatshops, do you? A prostitute is essentially no different from any other laborer. GIA wrote Not to insult but if your child is a dentist you would likely avail yourself of his or her services. Is your cavalier thinking saying that you wold avail yourself as easily if your child turned to prostitution. They are exchanging the service of their minds and bodies for a wage. It is a virtue under most systems of morals to work hard for your pay. Unfortunately, under the dominant systems of morals, sex is a sin. You do have a point in that society compounds its ill-treatment of them and takes advantage of them. No insult meant but I have already heard some quick reversals of your comments. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 02:44 PM	#14
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Freethinker The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemned by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange. The last statistics I saw showed 40% of prostitutes were abused in the home. Fathers only slightly less than stepfathers. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 02:46 PM	#15
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by fuelair Who is this we you continually refer to? All of us are part of the problem. Except of course you and I. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 02:49 PM	#16
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Orangutan + Speculation * Citations Needed. The numbers change in different countries as well as the conditions of the problem. If you do not see a problem, enjoy. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 02:50 PM	#17
Lothian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: https://twitter.com/CV4UK Posts: 10,373	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Many would just smoke it away. Further charity would be a further abuse adding to their feelings of worthlessness. Not the answer but thanks. Regards DL You asked if there was a better way to help them than using their services. I suggested that giving them the money and not using their services is better than the option you gave. You disagree. Please explain why having sex with them for money is better. Note: I never said I had the answer I just suggested a better way

21st May 2007, 02:51 PM	#18
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by toddjh Legalize it. Sure, it won't solve everything, and your average streetwalker will still exist as a "discount" hooker for desperate men, but I can think of no better way to help prostitutes than to decouple them from the drug trade and other forms of organized crime. So legalize it, and make it licensed and monitored by the local health department. I am beginning to agree but that does not stop the abuse at home. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 02:55 PM	#19
Greatest I am Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,126	Originally Posted by Lothian You asked if there was a better way to help them than using their services. I suggested that giving them the money and not using their services is better than the option you gave. You disagree. Please explain why having sex with them for money is better. Note: I never said I had the answer I just suggested a better way I am not saying that using their services is better, I am saying that your way would not work. Just looking for insight. Regards DL
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21st May 2007, 03:04 PM	#20
Quinn Breathtakingly blasphemous. Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,890	Originally Posted by Greatest I am I am beginning to agree but that does not stop the abuse at home. Then are you changing the question to "What can we do about child abuse?"
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21st May 2007, 03:12 PM	#21
gtc Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: the downunderverse Posts: 7,114	Originally Posted by Piscivore Does it make a difference what their skin colour is? I suspect so. A couple of telephone calls to your nearest "houses of ill-repute" should let you know what the going rates are for the various races. Of course, you need to account for looks and experience before you can isolate the effects of skin colour. Am I wilfully misinterpreting your post? I hate it when I do that.

21st May 2007, 03:13 PM	#22
Lothian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: https://twitter.com/CV4UK Posts: 10,373	Originally Posted by Greatest I am I am not saying that using their services is better, I am saying that your way would not work. Just looking for insight. Regards DL That is changing the original question. Quote: Question for debate. Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way. My way is a better way but it won't solve the problems you are now bringing up.

21st May 2007, 03:19 PM	#23
Tanstaafl Unindicted Co-conspirator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 5,622	Originally Posted by Freethinker The only real abuse of prostitutes in general is the way they are treated because what they do is condemed by the dominant religions. That is religion's forte; Creating a category of sin that allows its members to cluck their tongues at others who don't share their beliefs. It's fine for women to marry wealthy men without love, but "god forbid" the transaction be boiled down to its basic form as a cash for sex exchange. Yes, I've often said that marrying for money is simply prostitution with a long-term contract.
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21st May 2007, 03:45 PM	#24
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,479	Originally Posted by gtc I suspect so. A couple of telephone calls to your nearest "houses of ill-repute" should let you know what the going rates are for the various races. Of course, you need to account for looks and experience before you can isolate the effects of skin colour. Am I wilfully misinterpreting your post? I hate it when I do that. The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same.
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21st May 2007, 03:46 PM	#25
largeprimenumber Scholar Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 84	Originally Posted by Greatest I am No insult meant but I have already heard some quick reversals of your comments. Regards DL "Reversals"? What? Originally Posted by Greatest I am Not to insult but if your child is a dentist you would likely avail yourself of his or her services. Is your cavalier thinking saying that you wold avail yourself as easily if your child turned to prostitution. What does this have to do with anything? You say that you're looking for "insight", but your assumptions about prostitution are not held by all and are stifling discussion. Nor does it help that you haven't said more than a couple of lines in response to anyone.
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21st May 2007, 03:56 PM	#26
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,479	Originally Posted by Greatest I am Is it better to avail one’s self of the services of a prostitute to help them survive, or is there a better way. There's always Gary's way.
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21st May 2007, 04:09 PM	#27
MelBrooksfan Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,011	Originally Posted by Piscivore The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same. He'd have a tough time. New prostitutes could just spring up.

21st May 2007, 04:10 PM	#28
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,274	Originally Posted by Piscivore The last thread of GIA's I saw he was throwing people of mixed ethnicity off a spaceship. I just wondered if this was going to turn out to be more of the same. What? Someone would lose a little skin and blood trying to throw me out of anything.
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21st May 2007, 04:18 PM	#29
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,479	Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan He'd have a tough time. New prostitutes could just spring up. And the robotic ones wouldn't be phased all that much. Originally Posted by Hokulele What? Someone would lose a little skin and blood trying to throw me out of anything. I perhaps could have better said "people of differing ethnicities". Further, you're on the short list of people I would get out of my chair to stop from being thrown off a spaceship, if that helps. And one naturally wonders if your statement includes bed. Rowr.
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21st May 2007, 04:21 PM	#30
MelBrooksfan Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,011	Originally Posted by Piscivore And the robotic ones wouldn't be phased all that much. We have Roboprostitutes? Why not Robocops?

21st May 2007, 04:23 PM	#31
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,279	Originally Posted by Greatest I am If you do not see a problem, enjoy. I make love with my wife. I enjoy. Back to your OP, the answer for me of "what do do with prostitutes" is Leave them alone. DR
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21st May 2007, 04:26 PM	#32
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,479	Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan We have Roboprostitutes? Why not Robocops? Priorities.
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21st May 2007, 05:02 PM	#33
Hokulele Official Nemesis Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Trying to decide whether to set defenses against an army, or against mole rats. Posts: 27,274	Originally Posted by Piscivore I perhaps could have better said "people of differing ethnicities". Further, you're on the short list of people I would get out of my chair to stop from being thrown off a spaceship, if that helps. Gee, thanks. Quote: And one naturally wonders if your statement includes bed. Rowr. That is assuming anyone would want to throw me out of their bed. Just for the record, I agree with DR. The best thing to do with prostitutes is to leave them alone. If they want counseling or other types of job skills training, it should be made available, but not forced on anyone.
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21st May 2007, 05:18 PM	#34
DangerousBeliefs Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,304	I think just like marijuana, we should legalize it and regulate it. This greatly reduces the drug, pregnancy, disease, pimp, abuse, underage, etc. problems with prostitution.
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21st May 2007, 06:03 PM	#35
Loss Leader Opinionated Jerk Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York Posts: 11,885	Originally Posted by Orangutan + Speculation * Citations Needed. That's pretty much par for the course with a GIA post. He should come with a warning label.
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