Gravy's The Ground Zeros Part 1: Google Video

Rawkarma · 22nd May 2007, 03:24 PM

Here.

kookbreaker · 22nd May 2007, 04:42 PM

Yay!

Quad4_72 · 22nd May 2007, 04:57 PM

I just finished watching it. I love that video. I definitely see why the twoofers HATE Mark. Keep it up Mark, you work does not go unnoticed!

Rawkarma · 22nd May 2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by chucksheen

Originally Posted by stopsnitchin

this is "part 1" so theres plans for a sequel

Part 2 = http://tinyurl.com/yfkqeo

as listed in the Google Video Part 1 comments/notes sidebar.

LCF Thread

Allegedly, Mark already has a Part 2 of "The Ground Zeros" out? Maybe chuck can let Mark know.

If these truthers can't even follow the links in the description, there is really no point watching that video.

Brainster · 22nd May 2007, 05:45 PM

Lmao!

PhantomWolf · 22nd May 2007, 05:50 PM

Oh my giddy aunt, I had to try and prevent myself from laughing out loud so many times, and I still got one of two "looks" from co-workers. That was sooooooo funny.

Gravy · 22nd May 2007, 07:01 PM

Thanks for bringing the morons to the masses, Raw!

Oliver · 22nd May 2007, 07:01 PM

Frankly - I think there is faaar too much bias in this Flick - without any educational Substance for Newbies, whoever made it.

Oh, Happy Birthday, Rawkarma.

PhantomWolf · 22nd May 2007, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Thanks for bringing the morons to the masses, Raw!

I loved the signs, you must lie awake at night dreaming up new ones to use on then. Perhaps you could hand out bumper stickers with "I don't brake for 9/11 'Truthers'" on them.

CHF · 22nd May 2007, 07:11 PM

Absolutely brillant, Mark. As always.

bje · 22nd May 2007, 07:21 PM

That was a hoot, Mark. It's got the LCFers in meltdown.

I also liked your choice of music, including my all-time Mose Allison favorite.

May I suggest another tune to use in the future.... Screamin' Jay Hawkins's original (1969) version of "Constipation Blues." I just know you can find an appropriate place to fit it in.

Brainster · 22nd May 2007, 07:24 PM

You can Digg the video here. Requires painless registration.

Childlike Empress · 22nd May 2007, 07:27 PM

Wow. What on earth did you do that for? I watched this with an open mind but seriously, Gravy: Please stick to writing "papers". I'll let the music speak:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Childlike Empress · 22nd May 2007, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

You can Digg the video here. Requires painless registration.

I'll digg it.

Gravy · 22nd May 2007, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Oliver

Frankly - I think there is faaar too much bias in this Flick - without any educational Substance for Newbies, whoever made it.

Oh, Happy Birthday, Rawkarma.

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/greet012.gif

I think it's well known that I don't like it when people lie about 9/11 at Ground Zero and refuse to learn about their claims or correct their mistakes. But I only shot a few minutes of video, so it wasn't as if I cherry-picked a few choice moments. They really behave this way. Just look at the videos they have produced for evidence of that. The video is about their behavior and isn't meant to be an analysis of their claims – others have done that quite well. I did throw in several links for further research.

Happy birthday, Rawkarma!

Gravy · 22nd May 2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

I loved the signs, you must lie awake at night dreaming up new ones to use on then. Perhaps you could hand out bumper stickers with "I don't brake for 9/11 'Truthers'" on them.

I haven't been going to GZ on Saturdays for months, because I don't see anything left to accomplish there. It's not worth the time to try to talk sense into one or two truthers who may be open to reason. The rest of them are true cult believers and aren't going to be swayed.

PhantomWolf · 22nd May 2007, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I haven't been going to GZ on Saturdays for months, because I don't see anything left to accomplish there. It's not worth the time to try to talk sense into one or two truthers who may be open to reason. The rest of them are true cult believers and aren't going to be swayed.

Unfortunately it's not them that would be getting the results, it's the poor people who are getting harassed by these.... <insert insult of your choosing here> ...! I'm amazed that you did it so long without clocking one of them. I'm guessing your blood pressure has dropped a few points over the past month.

jsfisher · 22nd May 2007, 08:17 PM

So, what you are saying is that since the towers' collapse were not the result of controlled demolition, asteroids must be to blame. Did I get that right?

T.A.M. · 22nd May 2007, 08:23 PM

An educational film for newbies to 9/11 this is not...nor do I think it was intended.

However, i think it should be required viewing EACH AND EVERY TIME, that arguing with these obnoxious, ignorant C**KS**K*Rs gets you pissed or annoyed.

Well done Mark.

TAM

LashL · 22nd May 2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rawkarma

Here.

Thanks, Rawkarma. I'm torrent-challenged, so I really appreciate this

ETA: I just noticed that it's your birthday, Rawkarma, so...

Redtail · 22nd May 2007, 09:20 PM

The use of the two Mel's (Brooks and Blanc) alone is funny as bleep!

Unsecured Coins · 22nd May 2007, 09:21 PM

I laughed. I cried. I had to explain to my wife why I was laughing and crying

LashL · 22nd May 2007, 09:57 PM

Just finished watching ~ GREAT work, Gravy!

Gorgonian · 22nd May 2007, 10:52 PM

Nicely done. I will be telling everyone I can to watch this video. There was a bit too much text, I'd have at least prefered a voice-over reading the text while it was on-screen, but that's just me.

GwionX · 22nd May 2007, 11:12 PM

Heh, good vid Gravy. Sheri Lewis in the credits between Satan, and the Illuminati is friggin hilarious.

qarnos · 23rd May 2007, 12:38 AM

OMG!!!!!

At about 13:00, Les Jamieson says, "9/11 was not an inside job"!!!!!

Dog Town · 23rd May 2007, 12:44 AM

Nice work! Cool choice of tunes. Loved the Toots, next to the end, best!

gumboot · 23rd May 2007, 01:15 AM

After watching that I mainly just feel sorry for these people. I can only imagine how said and lonely and meaningless their lives must be, for them to want to dedicate their free time to such a hollow, misguided, and ultimately pointless movement.

-Gumboot

Gravy · 23rd May 2007, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Dog Town

Nice work! Cool choice of tunes. Loved the Toots, next to the end, best!

Thanks. The music credits aren't legible in the Google version, so here they are.

Chapter 1

Sweet Potato Gravy – Maurice Simon & The Pie Men

The Constitution – Ted Hawkins

It's Worth Looking Up – Jim Lauderdale

Everywhere With Helicopter – Guided by Voices

Hail to the Chief – USAF Heritage of America Band

The Stars & Stripes Forever – USAF Heritage of America Band

Too Close Together – Sonny Boy Williamson

Your Mind is On Vacation – Mose Allison

Circular Argument – Vijay Iyer

Wavy Gravy – Kenny Burrell

Armenian Duduk (flute) – Gevorg Dabagyan

Chapter 2

Grits, Gravy, & Groove – Jimmy McGriff

Error System – David Cunningham

Japanese Flute (Kevin's Theme) – Shakuhachi

Closest Thing to Crazy (Judy's Theme) – Katie Melua

Drifiting Too Far From the Shore – The Stanley Brothers

Prove It (Jason's Theme) – Television

Chapter 3

Chill of a Saturday Afternoon – Wade Frugé

Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child – Hank Jones & Charlie Haden

You Make No Sense – ESG

Two of a Kind – Jimmy West & Speedy Bryant

Don't Fence Me In – Riders in the Sky

Incoherent Blues – Clark Terry

School Days – Toots & The Maytals

When Will I See You Again? – The Three Degrees

JAStewart · 23rd May 2007, 01:58 AM

I have an exam today... but this is just irresistible! Must watch!

brodski · 23rd May 2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

Wow. What on earth did you do that for? I watched this with an open mind but seriously, Gravy: Please stick to writing "papers". I'll let the music speak:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Are you a fan of madness?

ob986s · 23rd May 2007, 06:04 AM

Great Vid Mark

The responses on LCF are priceless, those guys just truly do not get it

Rawkarma · 23rd May 2007, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Gravy

Thanks for bringing the morons to the masses, Raw!

All I did was upload a video. It's us that should be thanking you for confronting these kooks on as many occasions as you did, and not committing a felony or being committed to a mental institution yourself.

Originally Posted by qarnos

OMG!!!!!

At about 13:00, Les Jamieson says, "9/11 was not an inside job"!!!!!

I have to admit, an extremely optimistic soul could be forgiven for hoping that when Les states that: "911 is not an inside job" (12:51) in answer to Mark's challenge to: "name one thing I've gotten wrong", that Les -- realizing that he was drawing nothing but blanks on that, and feeling the cool refreshing wind (that moved Marks' signs) on his face -- finally came to the realization that he can't disprove anything Mark says by offering up proof for any of his kooky claims.

Sadly, but not surprisingly, it's not long (13:00) before Les spouts more bs in reply to Mark and any-and-all challenges with that special brand of irony that only a truther can say with a straight face: "everything, everything, everything you've gotten wrong."

Originally Posted by LashL

Thanks, Rawkarma. I'm torrent-challenged, so I really appreciate this

ETA: I just noticed that it's your birthday, Rawkarma, so...

I know many people that are equally 'torrent-challenged' and yvw.

And I appreciate all the birthday wishes.

Let's be optimistic -- if only momentarily -- and look forward to my 27th year (well, technically my 28th) being: "The Year of The Truther Epiphany" and an end to all this silliness...

Yeah, right. I was shaking my head as I typed that; and coincidentally, I have a feeling I'll be 77 and still shaking my head(s) in disbelief during my numerous bathroom visits.

CptColumbo · 23rd May 2007, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by ob986s

Great Vid Mark

The responses on LCF are priceless, those guys just truly do not get it

I think the problem is that Mark and others are now usiing their medium. Rather than writing lengthy papers that no one in their ADD world will ever read. So now they're watching these videos and seeing their little bubble burst.

Mark, get an actual video camera. Buy one, orrow one, put one on layaway.

ETA happy b-day Rawkarma!

Whiplash · 23rd May 2007, 07:07 PM

I finally got to watch this whole thing today and it was absolutely priceless. Mark, you are truly a great man. What you do is something I would never have the patience for. Your relentless research, and going out into potential harms way against these lunatic cult members. It's just awe inspiring. Thank you for standing up for the real truth, and the victims.

My heart goes out the man who lost 4 family members that day. 4 funerals in three weeks. That is just terrible. I can only imagine his rage as he sits and listens to these idiots.

I very much look forward to part two.

Unfit4Command · 23rd May 2007, 07:55 PM

Great video, I liked when Mark called one of the Truthers a "jackass." lmao.

The person named Jack is insane...I've never seen such stupidity before...wait, yes I have. That one woman who tries to talk about Hani Hanjour and others takes the cake for that video.

hellaeon · 23rd May 2007, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gorgnian

Nicely done. I will be telling everyone I can to watch this video. There was a bit too much text, I'd have at least prefered a voice-over reading the text while it was on-screen, but that's just me.

Goodaye Mark,

I feel like an idiot complaining as well considering the amount of material I have leant to the effort to debunk, but the text I felt should have been condensed more into less screens, but I do tend to read faster then most. I do enjoy the way you pretty much just make them speak to make them look stupid. Ever thought of using your own voice as narration and maybe adding some video of yourself discussing what they do before you show it and after? I reckon it would be a chance to add a lot more humour and less text, however I do understand this aint your day job hahaha...

I wish I was motivated enough to finish my 9/11 death metal song.

Gravy · 23rd May 2007, 08:36 PM

I agree about the text. I was working with VERY primitive software that kept garbling the ends of longer passages like this: %&>@^^̄, so I had to break them up. Also, I had intended to release it in three parts, but decided they didn't stand up as well on their own. There wasn't supposed to be so much reading at one sitting.

My voice? I'm not crazy about it, although I don't have a bad singing voice. Maybe I'll sing the narration for the next one. Or maybe I can get Martin Sheen. Also, the audio input on my computer is broken.

Rahne Everson · 23rd May 2007, 09:07 PM

<--- wishes he had a faster connection. I'm sure it's great though Gravy. I'll view it at work tomorrow.

CptColumbo · 25th May 2007, 08:30 AM

I notice in the comments section, that you're either getting 5 stars or one. I don't understand "hector's" review of "pretty good farce movie," yet only giving it one star.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...37229146&hl=en
(so I don't have to more windows to get there)

22nd May 2007, 03:24 PM	#1
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22nd May 2007, 04:57 PM	#3
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	I just finished watching it. I love that video. I definitely see why the twoofers HATE Mark. Keep it up Mark, you work does not go unnoticed!
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22nd May 2007, 05:36 PM	#4
Rawkarma Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: A Collection of Tubes Posts: 159	Originally Posted by chucksheen Originally Posted by stopsnitchin this is "part 1" so theres plans for a sequel Part 2 = http://tinyurl.com/yfkqeo as listed in the Google Video Part 1 comments/notes sidebar. LCF Thread Allegedly, Mark already has a Part 2 of "The Ground Zeros" out? Maybe chuck can let Mark know. If these truthers can't even follow the links in the description, there is really no point watching that video.
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22nd May 2007, 05:45 PM	#5
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22nd May 2007, 05:50 PM	#6
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,891	Oh my giddy aunt, I had to try and prevent myself from laughing out loud so many times, and I still got one of two "looks" from co-workers. That was sooooooo funny.
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22nd May 2007, 07:01 PM	#7
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22nd May 2007, 07:01 PM	#8
Oliver ~The Rascal~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cologne Posts: 17,369	Frankly - I think there is faaar too much bias in this Flick - without any educational Substance for Newbies, whoever made it. Oh, Happy Birthday, Rawkarma.
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22nd May 2007, 07:08 PM	#9
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,891	Originally Posted by Gravy Thanks for bringing the morons to the masses, Raw! I loved the signs, you must lie awake at night dreaming up new ones to use on then. Perhaps you could hand out bumper stickers with "I don't brake for 9/11 'Truthers'" on them.
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22nd May 2007, 07:11 PM	#10
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Absolutely brillant, Mark. As always.

22nd May 2007, 07:21 PM	#11
bje Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: On Solid Ground Posts: 1,280	We have a winner. That was a hoot, Mark. It's got the LCFers in meltdown. I also liked your choice of music, including my all-time Mose Allison favorite. May I suggest another tune to use in the future.... Screamin' Jay Hawkins's original (1969) version of "Constipation Blues." I just know you can find an appropriate place to fit it in.
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22nd May 2007, 07:24 PM	#12
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22nd May 2007, 07:28 PM	#14
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,834	Originally Posted by Brainster You can Digg the video here. Requires painless registration. I'll digg it.

22nd May 2007, 07:31 PM	#15
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Oliver Frankly - I think there is faaar too much bias in this Flick - without any educational Substance for Newbies, whoever made it. Oh, Happy Birthday, Rawkarma. http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/greet012.gif I think it's well known that I don't like it when people lie about 9/11 at Ground Zero and refuse to learn about their claims or correct their mistakes. But I only shot a few minutes of video, so it wasn't as if I cherry-picked a few choice moments. They really behave this way. Just look at the videos they have produced for evidence of that. The video is about their behavior and isn't meant to be an analysis of their claims – others have done that quite well. I did throw in several links for further research. Happy birthday, Rawkarma!
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22nd May 2007, 07:37 PM	#16
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf I loved the signs, you must lie awake at night dreaming up new ones to use on then. Perhaps you could hand out bumper stickers with "I don't brake for 9/11 'Truthers'" on them. I haven't been going to GZ on Saturdays for months, because I don't see anything left to accomplish there. It's not worth the time to try to talk sense into one or two truthers who may be open to reason. The rest of them are true cult believers and aren't going to be swayed.
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22nd May 2007, 08:06 PM	#17
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,891	Originally Posted by Gravy I haven't been going to GZ on Saturdays for months, because I don't see anything left to accomplish there. It's not worth the time to try to talk sense into one or two truthers who may be open to reason. The rest of them are true cult believers and aren't going to be swayed. Unfortunately it's not them that would be getting the results, it's the poor people who are getting harassed by these.... <insert insult of your choosing here> ...! I'm amazed that you did it so long without clocking one of them. I'm guessing your blood pressure has dropped a few points over the past month.
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22nd May 2007, 08:17 PM	#18
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22nd May 2007, 08:23 PM	#19
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	An educational film for newbies to 9/11 this is not...nor do I think it was intended. However, i think it should be required viewing EACH AND EVERY TIME, that arguing with these obnoxious, ignorant CKSK*Rs gets you pissed or annoyed. Well done Mark. TAM

22nd May 2007, 09:13 PM	#20
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,174	Originally Posted by Rawkarma Here. Thanks, Rawkarma. I'm torrent-challenged, so I really appreciate this ETA: I just noticed that it's your birthday, Rawkarma, so...
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22nd May 2007, 09:20 PM	#21
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,302	The use of the two Mel's (Brooks and Blanc) alone is funny as bleep!
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22nd May 2007, 09:21 PM	#22
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22nd May 2007, 09:57 PM	#23
LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,174	Just finished watching ~ GREAT work, Gravy!

22nd May 2007, 10:52 PM	#24
Gorgonian Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 175	Nicely done. I will be telling everyone I can to watch this video. There was a bit too much text, I'd have at least prefered a voice-over reading the text while it was on-screen, but that's just me.
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22nd May 2007, 11:12 PM	#25
GwionX Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 163	Heh, good vid Gravy. Sheri Lewis in the credits between Satan, and the Illuminati is friggin hilarious.
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23rd May 2007, 12:38 AM	#26
qarnos Cold-hearted skeptic Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Melbourne, Austrylia Posts: 1,985	OMG!!!!! At about 13:00, Les Jamieson says, "9/11 was not an inside job"!!!!! Quote mining is fun!
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23rd May 2007, 12:44 AM	#27
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23rd May 2007, 01:15 AM	#28
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23rd May 2007, 01:18 AM	#29
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by Dog Town Nice work! Cool choice of tunes. Loved the Toots, next to the end, best! Thanks. The music credits aren't legible in the Google version, so here they are. Chapter 1 Sweet Potato Gravy – Maurice Simon & The Pie Men The Constitution – Ted Hawkins It's Worth Looking Up – Jim Lauderdale Everywhere With Helicopter – Guided by Voices Hail to the Chief – USAF Heritage of America Band The Stars & Stripes Forever – USAF Heritage of America Band Too Close Together – Sonny Boy Williamson Your Mind is On Vacation – Mose Allison Circular Argument – Vijay Iyer Wavy Gravy – Kenny Burrell Armenian Duduk (flute) – Gevorg Dabagyan Chapter 2 Grits, Gravy, & Groove – Jimmy McGriff Error System – David Cunningham Japanese Flute (Kevin's Theme) – Shakuhachi Closest Thing to Crazy (Judy's Theme) – Katie Melua Drifiting Too Far From the Shore – The Stanley Brothers Prove It (Jason's Theme) – Television Chapter 3 Chill of a Saturday Afternoon – Wade Frugé Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child – Hank Jones & Charlie Haden You Make No Sense – ESG Two of a Kind – Jimmy West & Speedy Bryant Don't Fence Me In – Riders in the Sky Incoherent Blues – Clark Terry School Days – Toots & The Maytals When Will I See You Again? – The Three Degrees
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23rd May 2007, 01:58 AM	#30
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23rd May 2007, 06:04 AM	#32
ob986s Scholar Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 104	Great Vid Mark The responses on LCF are priceless, those guys just truly do not get it
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23rd May 2007, 06:58 AM	#33
Rawkarma Thinker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: A Collection of Tubes Posts: 159	Originally Posted by Gravy Thanks for bringing the morons to the masses, Raw! All I did was upload a video. It's us that should be thanking you for confronting these kooks on as many occasions as you did, and not committing a felony or being committed to a mental institution yourself. Originally Posted by qarnos OMG!!!!! At about 13:00, Les Jamieson says, "9/11 was not an inside job"!!!!! Quote mining is fun! I have to admit, an extremely optimistic soul could be forgiven for hoping that when Les states that: "911 is not an inside job" (12:51) in answer to Mark's challenge to: "name one thing I've gotten wrong", that Les -- realizing that he was drawing nothing but blanks on that, and feeling the cool refreshing wind (that moved Marks' signs) on his face -- finally came to the realization that he can't disprove anything Mark says by offering up proof for any of his kooky claims. Sadly, but not surprisingly, it's not long (13:00) before Les spouts more bs in reply to Mark and any-and-all challenges with that special brand of irony that only a truther can say with a straight face: "everything, everything, everything you've gotten wrong." Originally Posted by LashL Thanks, Rawkarma. I'm torrent-challenged, so I really appreciate this ETA: I just noticed that it's your birthday, Rawkarma, so... I know many people that are equally 'torrent-challenged' and yvw. And I appreciate all the birthday wishes. Let's be optimistic -- if only momentarily -- and look forward to my 27th year (well, technically my 28th) being: "The Year of The Truther Epiphany" and an end to all this silliness... Yeah, right. I was shaking my head as I typed that; and coincidentally, I have a feeling I'll be 77 and still shaking my head(s) in disbelief during my numerous bathroom visits.
	__________________ "I'm not a scientist. I'm just a very intelligent sceptic person. So I don't produce any science." -pagan Last edited by Rawkarma; 23rd May 2007 at 07:12 AM.

23rd May 2007, 07:00 AM	#34
CptColumbo Just One More Question Join Date: May 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by ob986s Great Vid Mark The responses on LCF are priceless, those guys just truly do not get it I think the problem is that Mark and others are now usiing their medium. Rather than writing lengthy papers that no one in their ADD world will ever read. So now they're watching these videos and seeing their little bubble burst. Mark, get an actual video camera. Buy one, orrow one, put one on layaway. ETA happy b-day Rawkarma!
	__________________ I've been involved in a lot of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.--Creed, "The Office" The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be only found in the minds of men. Prejudices and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own.--Rod Serling Last edited by CptColumbo; 23rd May 2007 at 07:03 AM.

23rd May 2007, 07:07 PM	#35
Whiplash Acting like a maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shipwrecked and Comatose Posts: 5,389	I finally got to watch this whole thing today and it was absolutely priceless. Mark, you are truly a great man. What you do is something I would never have the patience for. Your relentless research, and going out into potential harms way against these lunatic cult members. It's just awe inspiring. Thank you for standing up for the real truth, and the victims. My heart goes out the man who lost 4 family members that day. 4 funerals in three weeks. That is just terrible. I can only imagine his rage as he sits and listens to these idiots. I very much look forward to part two.
	__________________ Ken Buddha.. a smile, two bangs, and a religion. On the ricochet.. it's gonna hit you. It's always funny until someone gets hurt. Last edited by Whiplash; 23rd May 2007 at 07:12 PM.

23rd May 2007, 07:55 PM	#36
Unfit4Command Muse Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 730	Great video, I liked when Mark called one of the Truthers a "jackass." lmao. The person named Jack is insane...I've never seen such stupidity before...wait, yes I have. That one woman who tries to talk about Hani Hanjour and others takes the cake for that video.
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23rd May 2007, 08:26 PM	#37
hellaeon Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: City of Burning Churches, Australia Posts: 1,493	Originally Posted by Gorgnian Nicely done. I will be telling everyone I can to watch this video. There was a bit too much text, I'd have at least prefered a voice-over reading the text while it was on-screen, but that's just me. Goodaye Mark, I feel like an idiot complaining as well considering the amount of material I have leant to the effort to debunk, but the text I felt should have been condensed more into less screens, but I do tend to read faster then most. I do enjoy the way you pretty much just make them speak to make them look stupid. Ever thought of using your own voice as narration and maybe adding some video of yourself discussing what they do before you show it and after? I reckon it would be a chance to add a lot more humour and less text, however I do understand this aint your day job hahaha... I wish I was motivated enough to finish my 9/11 death metal song.
	__________________ Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. - Carl Sagan I don't exactly have a Phd in physics. I have something much better. Common sense. - pagan How does one change their mind without losing face after staunchly supporting a single point of view for years? It's quite alright, you are expected to maintain your opinion even if those responsible for 9/11 confess to their crimes. - Irony, MirageMemories style