Novus Spiritus Falling Apart at the Seams...

Ground Beast Samwich · 30th May 2007, 01:34 AM

Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak.

I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS.

The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry.

Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse.

Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us.

Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well.

This message is for Sylvia and her associates.
It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered.

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

"All organizational entities erode from the inside outward."

Never forget that Sylvia.

chillzero · 30th May 2007, 02:20 AM

I think you should contact our member RSLancaster, if you have not already done so. You will find his profile on many threads here, mostly titled 'Stop Sylvia Browne ... '

or you can get him via his website www.stopsylvia.com

Zep · 30th May 2007, 04:16 AM

GBS, would you mind sharing more details with us here? This is to document the downfall carefully and fully, so it is unavoidable, and not repeatable in the future.

Thanks.

Also, can I please reiterate that you contact RSLancastr ASAP.

ponderingturtle · 30th May 2007, 06:57 AM

Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs.

Locknar · 30th May 2007, 07:02 AM

Ponderingturtle - Yeah...I kind of had the same thought. Seems like it would provide an "easy out" where she could blame it all on "spies" and "saboteurs" vs being held accountable to her own record.

Zep · 30th May 2007, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs.

Originally Posted by locknar

Ponderingturtle - Yeah...I kind of had the same thought. Seems like it would provide an "easy out" where she could blame it all on "spies" and "saboteurs" vs being held accountable to her own record.

I have long had that feeling, and have conveyed it onwards to those interested. It's also why I asked for more details in a non-inflammatory manner.

Personally, I could not care less about Sylvia Browne. She isn't coming to Australia, and her own evil karma is coming back to haunt her in bulk quantities. She's a train-wreck in slow-motion. I've more important stuff to do in my life, really.

PastBrowneFan · 30th May 2007, 07:35 AM

She already does that, blames everything on "Evil and Dark Entities" for all of the viscious Truths being spread on "blogs".

Locknar · 30th May 2007, 07:50 AM

Darn those that spread the viscious truth!

ponderingturtle · 30th May 2007, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Zep

I have long had that feeling, and have conveyed it onwards to those interested. It's also why I asked for more details in a non-inflammatory manner.

And why I wanted to get it mentioned early so that if anyone looks here it will be harder for them to claim that we are supporting such claims.

TruthBeTold · 30th May 2007, 08:11 AM

Am I the only one who's still trying to decipher what the Mayflower and Pinta/Santa Maria have to do with this?
And "agents"?
Hmmm...

How about information that supports the claim about Montel's legal team?
Seems that would be a difficult bit of information to get a hold of.

I am not doubting Ground Beast Samwich (Whoville leftovers?) but I was born curious and skeptical. I had to find out that fire's hot even though my mom swore it was!!
If it's unwarranted, I apologize.

Orangutan · 30th May 2007, 08:15 AM

GBS,

Excuse us if we are Skeptical of your claims. We are a Skeptical board after all.
Personally I don't believe any of it. It reads like bad pulp fiction. I think you are a troll, and are hoping that we would all jump up and down with glee so you could link to us from 'gosylviabrown' to show what a bunch of hateful weasels we are.
I am, of course, ready to be proved wrong.
(Oh, and welcome

).

supercorgi · 30th May 2007, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by TruthBeTold

Am I the only one who's still trying to decipher what the Mayflower and Pinta/Santa Maria have to do with this?
And "agents"?
Hmmm...

My reaction as well. "Agents," "infiltration," messages to Slyvia? - what's with all the cloak and dagger stuff? Ground Beast Samwich could you introduce yourself? You don't have to give us details which may unmask you, but color me a bit skeptical when someone just shows up on this board posts a message like this.

Starthinker · 30th May 2007, 08:51 AM

Hmm, Ground Beast Sandwich-->GBS-->Go Brown, Sylvia! It's a code!

angrybeliever · 30th May 2007, 08:57 AM

Oh, boy! Did I need a chuckle this morning.

I do believe that there are now some who have come to the boards to make it seem that 'there is a dark entity' behind every post just waiting to jump out and malign dear Sylvia and those upstanding, pious, devout, hypocritical folks running the office and the GSB boards. I do feel badly for the GSB folks, though. Most of them, if not all are fans, and so this comes with that territory.

When those who really do have feeling for the other aspect of this, discover how duped we have been, they, too, will be 'angry believers'.

So, to those who are posting the 'spy' posts, I say this:

Those of us who have come over here, have given real data, not just hints.
It was not an easy decision. When I see posts that I "know" deep down are just to trollize (yeah, I made it up) the boards, it only reaffirms my decision.

prewitt81 · 30th May 2007, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

Dr. B, Head of the Exchequer. This is Gordon Brown^WP.

I win.

RenaissanceBiker · 30th May 2007, 09:02 AM

The first post by GBS was in a thread about Oprah and Allison Dubois on February 17, 2007, 04:52 AM.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post2351112

Quote:

I think Oprah owns the WE Channel or at least has a part of the ownership of it. She has Edwards on because his stupid show is on WE.

I thought National Geographic channel was stupid with its UFO stories...

Man, there are alot of stupid people on this earth. I'm glad this place is a beacon of hope in a world devoid of reality. Reading those page synopsis of her Psychic show from last week makes me sick. Such utter BS!

Tricky · 30th May 2007, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by prewitt81

Dr. B, Head of the Exchequer. This is Gordon Brown^WP.

Not to be confused with Commissioner Gordon.

TruthBeTold · 30th May 2007, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by angrybeliever

I do believe that there are now some who have come to the boards to make it seem that 'there is a dark entity' behind every post just waiting to jump out and malign dear Sylvia and those upstanding, pious, devout, hypocritical folks running the office and the GSB boards. I do feel badly for the GSB folks, though. Most of them, if not all are fans, and so this comes with that territory.

I thought the same thing...they may try to discredit those of us who have come here genuinely by making the people here doubt us all.
It's a common thing in discussion groups...plant a seed and watch it grow...
fortunately this group is full of good gardeners who weed often.

c4ts · 30th May 2007, 09:34 AM

Unlikely. If morality and evidence aren't going to convince Sylvia to stop, why should the press, Youtube, and a bunch of websites make any difference?

As much as RSL would like to stop Sylvia, the real purpose of his website is to protect and inform the rest of us. If we know about her methods and her victims in the past, we can avoid becoming ones ourselves.

Miss Anthrope · 30th May 2007, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs.

Yep, show the true believers the "vast dark entity conspiracy" to garner their support. Either that or garden variety trolldom.

TruthBeTold · 30th May 2007, 09:45 AM

I still believe that the National Enquirer is the way to go!!
If the National Enquirer says it, it must be so!

Pythra · 30th May 2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich

I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS.

There is some urgent need for clarification here. WHOSE agents? Certainly nothing to do with the JREF or StopSylviaBrowne. Who are these agents, and how and why have they "infiltrated" NS?

Quote:

The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry.

Here you are kind of implying that the "agents" have some connection with either the JREF or StopSylviaBrowne, since these are the only two entities you have deigned to mention. So please clarify, because I think it's quite harmful to suggest that any such nefarious behaviour is going on.

Quote:

Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well.

Who are they?

Quote:

This message is for Sylvia and her associates.
It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered.

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

"All organizational entities erode from the inside outward."

Never forget that Sylvia.

I don't know if you're a troll or a well-intentioned skeptic. If it's the former, nice try. E for Effort. if it's the latter, please stop. Sinister, cryptic messages aren't helpful, and being dishonest (agents? really?) is downright harmful.

angrybeliever · 30th May 2007, 10:29 AM

Just a thought! I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys".

Hmmmmm

Well, as we all 'know', those of us who have been to Campbell, the office politics/allegiances jump quicker than fleas on a hounddog.

So, if these are the office folks posting: "You sure haven't changed a bit, have you? No wonder the orders back up!"

For those who are on this forum. It took a while to have courage to write. But, I will say this to those who think this forum is a joke.

Skeptics may push the envelope at times, but rest assured that here on this site, the skeptics for the majority have DATA to back them up! They have been very generous to us (the former NS people), and I resent those who may think that the posters here are too stupid to see through their vain attempt to stop the major implosion that I do agree is happening!

grayman · 30th May 2007, 10:32 AM

I think GBS is making an attempt at humor (parody? satire?).

I second Pythra's opinion.

SeekingTruth · 30th May 2007, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by angrybeliever

So, if these are the office folks posting: "You sure haven't changed a bit, have you? No wonder the orders back up!"

For those who are on this forum. It took a while to have courage to write. But, I will say this to those who think this forum is a joke.

Skeptics may push the envelope at times, but rest assured that here on this site, the skeptics for the majority have DATA to back them up! They have been very generous to us (the former NS people), and I resent those who may think that the posters here are too stupid to see through their vain attempt to stop the major implosion that I do agree is happening!

Angry Believer - I can safely say that you speak for all the FORMER NS members and I give you a STANDING OVATION!!!!!

ST

TruthBeTold · 30th May 2007, 10:46 AM

Me too!
I was scared to death to join this group but I felt I had to stand behind those who have decided to speak up.
Although I have no solid proof against Novus except for tidbits and personal accounts of their rudeness, I had to join to support the others.
This is an intimidating group (sorry, but ya are

) to join and I commend us all who have.

I don't know everyone's motives, some want Sylvia and her cohorts in handcuffs and I guess that if they've done criminal things then that is what is just and if there is proof of it then may it come to fruition, while others just want the concepts to survive the atrocious way they have been misrepresented by the core group in Campbell, while others just want her/them (Sylvia and Chris) to stop giving people incredibly incorrect and damaging readings for incredibly rediculous prices (which people pay) and I don't know if we'll be successful in our efforts but at least when all is said and done, we know we've done what was right for us.

Angry Believer,
You said "I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys"."
Do you mean that this thread was talked about on GSB?
I'm curious if other posts in here are discussed there? Isn't that taboo to speak of darkness? (it gives it power)

TruthBeTold

Questioninggeller · 30th May 2007, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich

Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak.

I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS.

The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry.

Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse.

Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us.

Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well.

This message is for Sylvia and her associates.
It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered.

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

"All organizational entities erode from the inside outward."

Never forget that Sylvia.

GSB (Go Sylvia Browne?), I expect you will be offering proof for these claims. Either that or take this to the conspiracy section of the forum.

Oh by the way, a google search for the name "Hedoffecks Czech" brings up nothing. Who is the person and what work is this quote from?

wahrheit · 30th May 2007, 10:57 AM

angrybeliever · 30th May 2007, 11:05 AM

[Angry Believer,
You said "I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys"."
Do you mean that this thread was talked about on GSB?
I'm curious if other posts in here are discussed there? Isn't that taboo to speak of darkness? (it gives it power) ]

OMG...let me straighten out some misconception. I do NOT have any friends over at GSB. If I did, I am sure that they were banned the first time they posted. LOL

No, TBT, the friends that I spoke of are former NS community members such as myself.

Pythra · 30th May 2007, 11:10 AM

One other thing.

Quote:

"All organizational entities erode from the inside outward."

I wonder if this could be a SUPER SECRET, SUPER CLEVER message to the SB camp?

c4ts · 30th May 2007, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Pythra

One other thing.

I wonder if this could be a SUPER SECRET, SUPER CLEVER message to the SB camp?

I have decoded the message. It says "I have completely botched my attempt to read Civilization and Its Discontents."

Locknar · 30th May 2007, 11:18 AM

Pythra - Certianly odd, 2 posts since FEB 07; makes me think we won't see any kind of reply from GBS anytime soon; be it real, troll or "super secret" messages.

Ducky · 30th May 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich

Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak.

I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS.

The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry.

Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse.

Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us.

Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well.

This message is for Sylvia and her associates.
It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered.

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

"All organizational entities erode from the inside outward."

Never forget that Sylvia.

I'm sorry, but shy of evidence to back up these claims, all this seems to be is someone who thinks they are more clever than they actually are. It reads like a playbook page right out of scientology's fair play internet tactics.

Starthinker · 30th May 2007, 11:30 AM

Hey, GBS, MayFlower told me to tell you that the giraffe sleeps with the waffles on stones. Bicycles are in the bathtub. Proceed with Thor's hammer. Word: bungie.

Rolfe · 30th May 2007, 11:37 AM

Head Office cheque?

Rolfe.

Quinn · 30th May 2007, 12:54 PM

Head effects? Check!

Pythra · 30th May 2007, 01:01 PM

I was thinking "Head of X"
"Behead of X check"?

Doesn't make much sense. But after RSL got the vampire email from a woman's imaginary digimon friend, nothing would surprise me.

Irony · 30th May 2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich

Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech.

Hedofecks Czech? Head office check?

Perhaps the skeptic head office is checking on us to ensure that our

s are still working.

TruthBeTold · 30th May 2007, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by angrybeliever

OMG...let me straighten out some misconception. I do NOT have any friends over at GSB. If I did, I am sure that they were banned the first time they posted. LOL

No, TBT, the friends that I spoke of are former NS community members such as myself.

I'd bet we've crossed paths before!! Small world!!

LostAngeles · 30th May 2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by c4ts

Unlikely. If morality and evidence aren't going to convince Sylvia to stop, why should the press, Youtube, and a bunch of websites make any difference?

As much as RSL would like to stop Sylvia, the real purpose of his website is to protect and inform the rest of us. If we know about her methods and her victims in the past, we can avoid becoming ones ourselves.

Well, apparently Popoff was discouraged for a time after being exposed by Randi on The Tonight Show, but give him 20 years to reflect on being a predator and he just goes back to doing so. Morality doesn't do much to those who defraud in the name of good.

BTW: I agree with those who're calling this a plant. Creating a conspiracy against yourself? Very clever...

...provided you don't suck at subterfuge and lying.

One'd think she'd have had enough practice to not fail...

30th May 2007, 01:34 AM	#1
Ground Beast Samwich New Blood Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 9	Novus Spiritus Falling Apart at the Seams... Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak. I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS. The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry. Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse. Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us. Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well. This message is for Sylvia and her associates. It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered. Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech. "All organizational entities erode from the inside outward." Never forget that Sylvia.

30th May 2007, 02:20 AM	#2
chillzero Illustrated Infidel Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind my camera Posts: 13,772	I think you should contact our member RSLancaster, if you have not already done so. You will find his profile on many threads here, mostly titled 'Stop Sylvia Browne ... ' or you can get him via his website www.stopsylvia.com
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30th May 2007, 04:16 AM	#3
Zep Guest Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 24,230	GBS, would you mind sharing more details with us here? This is to document the downfall carefully and fully, so it is unavoidable, and not repeatable in the future. Thanks. Also, can I please reiterate that you contact RSLancastr ASAP.
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30th May 2007, 06:57 AM	#4
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs.
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30th May 2007, 07:34 AM	#6
Zep Guest Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 24,230	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs. Originally Posted by locknar Ponderingturtle - Yeah...I kind of had the same thought. Seems like it would provide an "easy out" where she could blame it all on "spies" and "saboteurs" vs being held accountable to her own record. I have long had that feeling, and have conveyed it onwards to those interested. It's also why I asked for more details in a non-inflammatory manner. Personally, I could not care less about Sylvia Browne. She isn't coming to Australia, and her own evil karma is coming back to haunt her in bulk quantities. She's a train-wreck in slow-motion. I've more important stuff to do in my life, really.
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30th May 2007, 07:02 AM	#5
Locknar Member: Simpson 15 + 7 Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 4,515	Ponderingturtle - Yeah...I kind of had the same thought. Seems like it would provide an "easy out" where she could blame it all on "spies" and "saboteurs" vs being held accountable to her own record.

30th May 2007, 07:35 AM	#7
PastBrowneFan Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 372	She already does that, blames everything on "Evil and Dark Entities" for all of the viscious Truths being spread on "blogs".

30th May 2007, 07:50 AM	#8
Locknar Member: Simpson 15 + 7 Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 4,515	Darn those that spread the viscious truth!

30th May 2007, 07:55 AM	#9
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ossining NY Posts: 18,770	Originally Posted by Zep I have long had that feeling, and have conveyed it onwards to those interested. It's also why I asked for more details in a non-inflammatory manner. And why I wanted to get it mentioned early so that if anyone looks here it will be harder for them to claim that we are supporting such claims.
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30th May 2007, 08:11 AM	#10
TruthBeTold Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 145	Am I the only one who's still trying to decipher what the Mayflower and Pinta/Santa Maria have to do with this? And "agents"? Hmmm... How about information that supports the claim about Montel's legal team? Seems that would be a difficult bit of information to get a hold of. I am not doubting Ground Beast Samwich (Whoville leftovers?) but I was born curious and skeptical. I had to find out that fire's hot even though my mom swore it was!! If it's unwarranted, I apologize.
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30th May 2007, 08:15 AM	#11
Orangutan Graduate Poster Tagger Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Florida. Posts: 1,163	GBS, Excuse us if we are Skeptical of your claims. We are a Skeptical board after all. Personally I don't believe any of it. It reads like bad pulp fiction. I think you are a troll, and are hoping that we would all jump up and down with glee so you could link to us from 'gosylviabrown' to show what a bunch of hateful weasels we are. I am, of course, ready to be proved wrong. (Oh, and welcome ).

30th May 2007, 08:18 AM	#12
supercorgi Dog Everlasting Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: State of Confusion, Massachusetts, USA Posts: 2,485	Originally Posted by TruthBeTold Am I the only one who's still trying to decipher what the Mayflower and Pinta/Santa Maria have to do with this? And "agents"? Hmmm... My reaction as well. "Agents," "infiltration," messages to Slyvia? - what's with all the cloak and dagger stuff? Ground Beast Samwich could you introduce yourself? You don't have to give us details which may unmask you, but color me a bit skeptical when someone just shows up on this board posts a message like this.
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30th May 2007, 08:51 AM	#13
Starthinker Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,834	Hmm, Ground Beast Sandwich-->GBS-->Go Brown, Sylvia! It's a code!
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30th May 2007, 08:57 AM	#14
angrybeliever Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 87	Oh, boy! Did I need a chuckle this morning. I do believe that there are now some who have come to the boards to make it seem that 'there is a dark entity' behind every post just waiting to jump out and malign dear Sylvia and those upstanding, pious, devout, hypocritical folks running the office and the GSB boards. I do feel badly for the GSB folks, though. Most of them, if not all are fans, and so this comes with that territory. When those who really do have feeling for the other aspect of this, discover how duped we have been, they, too, will be 'angry believers'. So, to those who are posting the 'spy' posts, I say this: Those of us who have come over here, have given real data, not just hints. It was not an easy decision. When I see posts that I "know" deep down are just to trollize (yeah, I made it up) the boards, it only reaffirms my decision.
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30th May 2007, 09:02 AM	#15
prewitt81 Notoriously Glorious Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,203	Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech. Dr. B, Head of the Exchequer. This is Gordon Brown^WP. I win.
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30th May 2007, 09:02 AM	#16
RenaissanceBiker Eats shoots and leaves. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,433	The first post by GBS was in a thread about Oprah and Allison Dubois on February 17, 2007, 04:52 AM. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...12#post2351112 Quote: I think Oprah owns the WE Channel or at least has a part of the ownership of it. She has Edwards on because his stupid show is on WE. I thought National Geographic channel was stupid with its UFO stories... Man, there are alot of stupid people on this earth. I'm glad this place is a beacon of hope in a world devoid of reality. Reading those page synopsis of her Psychic show from last week makes me sick. Such utter BS!
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30th May 2007, 09:15 AM	#17
Tricky Radical centrist Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 27,290	Originally Posted by prewitt81 Dr. B, Head of the Exchequer. This is Gordon Brown^WP. Not to be confused with Commissioner Gordon.

30th May 2007, 09:21 AM	#18
TruthBeTold Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 145	Originally Posted by angrybeliever I do believe that there are now some who have come to the boards to make it seem that 'there is a dark entity' behind every post just waiting to jump out and malign dear Sylvia and those upstanding, pious, devout, hypocritical folks running the office and the GSB boards. I do feel badly for the GSB folks, though. Most of them, if not all are fans, and so this comes with that territory. I thought the same thing...they may try to discredit those of us who have come here genuinely by making the people here doubt us all. It's a common thing in discussion groups...plant a seed and watch it grow... fortunately this group is full of good gardeners who weed often.

30th May 2007, 09:34 AM	#19
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,428	Unlikely. If morality and evidence aren't going to convince Sylvia to stop, why should the press, Youtube, and a bunch of websites make any difference? As much as RSL would like to stop Sylvia, the real purpose of his website is to protect and inform the rest of us. If we know about her methods and her victims in the past, we can avoid becoming ones ourselves.
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30th May 2007, 09:38 AM	#20
Miss Anthrope All your post are belong to us Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: A Tiny Oasis in the PNW Posts: 3,599	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Is it me, of does this feel like it is an attempt to make it seem like there is a large conspiracy to take down SB? The reporting of infiltrators seems so over the top that is seems more likely to be an attempt to make any of her mistakes or organizational failures attributable to spies and saboteurs. Yep, show the true believers the "vast dark entity conspiracy" to garner their support. Either that or garden variety trolldom.
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30th May 2007, 09:45 AM	#21
TruthBeTold Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 145	I still believe that the National Enquirer is the way to go!! If the National Enquirer says it, it must be so!

30th May 2007, 10:07 AM	#22
Pythra Thinker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 198	Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS. There is some urgent need for clarification here. WHOSE agents? Certainly nothing to do with the JREF or StopSylviaBrowne. Who are these agents, and how and why have they "infiltrated" NS? Quote: The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry. Here you are kind of implying that the "agents" have some connection with either the JREF or StopSylviaBrowne, since these are the only two entities you have deigned to mention. So please clarify, because I think it's quite harmful to suggest that any such nefarious behaviour is going on. Quote: Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well. Who are they? Quote: This message is for Sylvia and her associates. It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered. Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech. "All organizational entities erode from the inside outward." Never forget that Sylvia. I don't know if you're a troll or a well-intentioned skeptic. If it's the former, nice try. E for Effort. if it's the latter, please stop. Sinister, cryptic messages aren't helpful, and being dishonest (agents? really?) is downright harmful.
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30th May 2007, 10:29 AM	#23
angrybeliever Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 87	Just a thought! I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys". Hmmmmm Well, as we all 'know', those of us who have been to Campbell, the office politics/allegiances jump quicker than fleas on a hounddog. So, if these are the office folks posting: "You sure haven't changed a bit, have you? No wonder the orders back up!" For those who are on this forum. It took a while to have courage to write. But, I will say this to those who think this forum is a joke. Skeptics may push the envelope at times, but rest assured that here on this site, the skeptics for the majority have DATA to back them up! They have been very generous to us (the former NS people), and I resent those who may think that the posters here are too stupid to see through their vain attempt to stop the major implosion that I do agree is happening!
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30th May 2007, 10:32 AM	#24
grayman Happy-go-lucky Heretic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Casa del Whacko Posts: 5,650	I think GBS is making an attempt at humor (parody? satire?). I second Pythra's opinion.
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30th May 2007, 10:33 AM	#25
SeekingTruth Thinker Join Date: May 2007 Location: In this world Posts: 232	Originally Posted by angrybeliever So, if these are the office folks posting: "You sure haven't changed a bit, have you? No wonder the orders back up!" For those who are on this forum. It took a while to have courage to write. But, I will say this to those who think this forum is a joke. Skeptics may push the envelope at times, but rest assured that here on this site, the skeptics for the majority have DATA to back them up! They have been very generous to us (the former NS people), and I resent those who may think that the posters here are too stupid to see through their vain attempt to stop the major implosion that I do agree is happening! Angry Believer - I can safely say that you speak for all the FORMER NS members and I give you a STANDING OVATION!!!!! ST

30th May 2007, 10:46 AM	#26
TruthBeTold Thinker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 145	Me too! I was scared to death to join this group but I felt I had to stand behind those who have decided to speak up. Although I have no solid proof against Novus except for tidbits and personal accounts of their rudeness, I had to join to support the others. This is an intimidating group (sorry, but ya are ) to join and I commend us all who have. I don't know everyone's motives, some want Sylvia and her cohorts in handcuffs and I guess that if they've done criminal things then that is what is just and if there is proof of it then may it come to fruition, while others just want the concepts to survive the atrocious way they have been misrepresented by the core group in Campbell, while others just want her/them (Sylvia and Chris) to stop giving people incredibly incorrect and damaging readings for incredibly rediculous prices (which people pay) and I don't know if we'll be successful in our efforts but at least when all is said and done, we know we've done what was right for us. Angry Believer, You said "I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys"." Do you mean that this thread was talked about on GSB? I'm curious if other posts in here are discussed there? Isn't that taboo to speak of darkness? (it gives it power) TruthBeTold

30th May 2007, 10:53 AM	#27
Questioninggeller Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,551	Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak. I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS. The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry. Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse. Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us. Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well. This message is for Sylvia and her associates. It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered. Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech. "All organizational entities erode from the inside outward." Never forget that Sylvia. GSB (Go Sylvia Browne?), I expect you will be offering proof for these claims. Either that or take this to the conspiracy section of the forum. Oh by the way, a google search for the name "Hedoffecks Czech" brings up nothing. Who is the person and what work is this quote from?
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30th May 2007, 10:57 AM	#28
wahrheit Pac-Man Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,589
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30th May 2007, 11:05 AM	#29
angrybeliever Scholar Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 87	[Angry Believer, You said "I still have friends in the NS community. When this thread was mentioned today, the first thing said was: "Oh, the office is doing their own campaign to discredit you guys"." Do you mean that this thread was talked about on GSB? I'm curious if other posts in here are discussed there? Isn't that taboo to speak of darkness? (it gives it power) ] OMG...let me straighten out some misconception. I do NOT have any friends over at GSB. If I did, I am sure that they were banned the first time they posted. LOL No, TBT, the friends that I spoke of are former NS community members such as myself.
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30th May 2007, 11:10 AM	#30
Pythra Thinker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 198	One other thing. Quote: "All organizational entities erode from the inside outward." I wonder if this could be a SUPER SECRET, SUPER CLEVER message to the SB camp?
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30th May 2007, 11:15 AM	#31
c4ts Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Your base Posts: 8,428	Originally Posted by Pythra One other thing. I wonder if this could be a SUPER SECRET, SUPER CLEVER message to the SB camp? I have decoded the message. It says "I have completely botched my attempt to read Civilization and Its Discontents."
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30th May 2007, 11:18 AM	#32
Locknar Member: Simpson 15 + 7 Moderator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 4,515	Pythra - Certianly odd, 2 posts since FEB 07; makes me think we won't see any kind of reply from GBS anytime soon; be it real, troll or "super secret" messages.

30th May 2007, 11:27 AM	#33
Ducky Titanium Superhero Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 10,769	Originally Posted by Ground Beast Samwich Within the Novus Spiritus power structure there is distrust and discontent as we speak. I have received several emails from our agents who have infiltrated all aspects of the NS power structure stating that there is immense distrust between Senior members and all those from the satellite church's in Canada and Delaware and anyone who had any previous connections with those two churches that still remain working for NS. The collective grip of the efforts from this Forum, StopSylviaBrowne.com are tightening their grip on Sylvia and her Ministry. Montel's Legal team has advised him to reconsider his contractual obligations and renewal with Sylvia and there are talks in the shadows that Montel is not fairing well from all of the negative press associated with the Anderson Cooper and all of the Youtube failures that are apparent for all to see at the click of a Mouse. Sylvia Browne and her closest associates (Dufresne, Heather, and all of the Ministers from Cali.) monitor this forum as religiously as the rest of us. Sylvia, please note that "MayFlower " and "Pinta/SantaMaria" are monitoring you as well. This message is for Sylvia and her associates. It is posted in this forum so that all those here may take heart knowing that Sylvia's days as a charlatan are numbered. Dr. B. Hedoffecks Czech. "All organizational entities erode from the inside outward." Never forget that Sylvia. I'm sorry, but shy of evidence to back up these claims, all this seems to be is someone who thinks they are more clever than they actually are. It reads like a playbook page right out of scientology's fair play internet tactics.

30th May 2007, 11:30 AM	#34
Starthinker Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 3,834	Hey, GBS, MayFlower told me to tell you that the giraffe sleeps with the waffles on stones. Bicycles are in the bathtub. Proceed with Thor's hammer. Word: bungie.
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30th May 2007, 11:37 AM	#35
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 19,388	Head Office cheque? Rolfe.
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