Forget it, there is no Terror threat. Period. - Page 6

firecoins · 2nd June 2007, 09:19 AM

I am no fan of Bush but the Brits stand by the claim of Saddam's Iraq trying to get Uranium in Niger. Still Bush should not have used it. There were many doubts about the claim. Bush should have been using stuff that was rock solid. I don't think Uranium is very stable.....okay, bad pun.

fuelair · 2nd June 2007, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Just trying to figure out where you got the idea I thought the coalition should stay in Iraq. I suspect it was in an area southern of your head.

typical response from that source.

WildCat · 2nd June 2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by firecoins

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick

I can't believe you beat me.

I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports.

Impossible. Oliver has stated that terrorism doesn't exist. He even used big letters at one point, which makes his opinion infallible. Therefore, this is just neocon fear-mongering.

Pardalis · 2nd June 2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by firecoins

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick

I can't believe you beat me.

I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports.

Nah, Oliver is probably going to file this under "normal terrorism"...

Originally Posted by Oliver

These are pretty normal terrorist related issues like all the other terrorist issues over the last 4000 years.

Tailgater · 2nd June 2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by firecoins

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick

I can't believe you beat me.

I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports.

I just happened to be clicking on the thread when the news came across. It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist. These were just people upset with Bush, so lets call them....hmm....freedom fighters?

WildCat · 2nd June 2007, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

I just happened to be clicking on the thread when the news came across. It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist. These were just people upset with Bush, so lets call them....hmm....freedom fighters?

And, of course, once a Dem gets the White House the terrorism threat will end entirely and all law enforcement and military efforts spent fighting it can be dismantled.

Elizabeth I · 2nd June 2007, 09:35 AM

Oliver, in every one of your recent threads you seem to be operating on the unspoken assumption that the American people should do...um...something... about Bush, Iraq, etc., and that if we don't we are collectively a nation of gonadically-challenged wimps who should be shunned by all true warriors for purity and peace.

My question to you is, what do you suggest we do? We do not have a parliamentary system so we can't call for a vote of no confidence and reconstitute the government. We don't really think it's necessary to go into armed revolt to throw Bush out - which would truly be a case of destroying the village in order to save it - and protests, however personally satisfying to the protesters, accomplish very little in the short run. (Think how long it took for protests against the Viet Nam war to effect any change in national policy. Never mind that - look at how long the civil rights movement took. And in many cases, they're still having to work at that one.)

In any case, Bush will be out of office in less than two years and his policies will be history. If they really wanted to, Congress could pull the whole thing to a screeching halt, but they are not willing to expend the political capital it would take to overcome a presidential veto (they would no doubt prefer to save it to be sure their particular pork projects get included in the next funding bill.)

In my opinion, all that can be done is to mitigate the damage as much as possible while waiting for 2008 and the next elections.

But you have that detached European wisdom that knows that the barbarian Americans would be so much happier, so much calmer, so much more peaceful, if only we would learn from our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters. So come on, Oliver. What should we do?

slingblade · 2nd June 2007, 09:41 AM

The whole conversation feels like dancing, but I can't hear the music.

What's the point here? America-bashing, Bush-bashing, media-bashing; how gullible are we, how oblivious are we, what? Do we listen to the spin and the hype too much, or not enough? Are we being lied to, bamboozled, fooled, and if so, by whom, and for what sinister reasons?

I dunno. Too much rhetoric for me. I'm gonna go cut the grass.

Pardalis · 2nd June 2007, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist.

[Oliver] It can't be a threat, no one got hurt! [/Oliver]

WildCat · 2nd June 2007, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

But you have that detached European wisdom that knows that the barbarian Americans would be so much happier, so much calmer, so much more peaceful, if only we would learn from our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters. So come on, Oliver. What should we do?

This is how our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters in Europe handle political differences - with extreme violence! It's the European way...

Darth Rotor · 2nd June 2007, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by WildCat

And, of course, once a Dem gets the White House the terrorism threat will end entirely and all law enforcement and military efforts spent fighting it can be dismantled.

Good, there must be some federal buildings in cities other than Oklahoma City that need blowing up. Urban renewal, the McVeigh Way!

DR

WildCat · 2nd June 2007, 12:00 PM

From CNN:

Quote:

In another recorded conversation with his alleged conspirators in May 2007, Defreitas compared the plot to attack JFK airport with the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center, saying, "Even the Twin Towers can't touch it. This can destroy the economy of America for some time," according to Justice officials.

As I said earlier, it's not just lives that the damage from terrorists is measured in - they also want to cause economic damage. Drunk driving just doesn't do that.

Elizabeth I · 2nd June 2007, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

This is how our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters in Europe handle political differences - with extreme violence! It's the European way...

Ah, but it's aimed at the U.S. and our deluded puppet-states so it's perfectly justified and pure as the driven snow.

fuelair · 2nd June 2007, 11:07 PM

And, speaking of Germany, their police have been getting some harm from a bunch of German/European terrorists today (160 plus wounded if the US media hasn't just lied about it). Some silliness about an economic conference. Must be imagining it since there is no terrorism-Oliver said so and he's right there!

g4macdad · 3rd June 2007, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

And, speaking of Germany, their police have been getting some harm from a bunch of German/European terrorists today (160 plus wounded if the US media hasn't just lied about it). Some silliness about an economic conference. Must be imagining it since there is no terrorism-Oliver said so and he's right there!

I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems".

Funny how it is the same handful of insignificant people who jump all over this hog wash. The only reason you are tolerated is that all the polls show you have no impact anyway.

Elizabeth I · 3rd June 2007, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems".

Funny how it is the same handful of insignificant people who jump all over this hog wash. The only reason you are tolerated is that all the polls show you have no impact anyway.

??????????

g4macdad · 3rd June 2007, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Elizabeth I

??????????

The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others.

They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true.

I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence.

RandFan · 3rd June 2007, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true.

You do realize that this is a fallacy don't you? Please see argument ad populum.

g4macdad · 3rd June 2007, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by RandFan

You do realize that this is a fallacy don't you? Please see argument ad populum.

Only in your perception (and a biased and skewed perception it is). Terrorism is based on emotion. If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism. Just as he claims.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 08:32 AM

Ya Randfan, it's like those sci-fi horror movies. If you don't believe in the bad guy, he will cease to exist.

g4macdad · 3rd June 2007, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

Ya Randfan, it's like those sci-fi horror movies. If you don't believe in the bad guy, he will cease to exist.

Nice analogy! Sci-fi monsters and terrorism.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism.

More like an analogy from this statement, but your reading comprehension has shown how you might think otherwise.

g4macdad · 3rd June 2007, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

More like an analogy from this statement, but your reading comprehension has shown how you might think otherwise.

Bad wording.

There is no such thing as an elevated threat of terrorism. If the "bad guys" as you call them exist, go get them.

Or sit around whining about it, like you.

jsiv · 3rd June 2007, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by firecoins

http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick

I can't believe you beat me.

I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports.

How convenient that this just happens to be uncovered right after Oliver starts this thread.

How convenient indeed.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by jsiv

How convenient that this just happens to be uncovered right after Oliver starts this thread.

How convenient indeed.

It only happened in your perception and emotions. Nothing to see here. Carry on.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

Bad wording.

There is no such thing as an elevated threat of terrorism. If the "bad guys" as you call them exist, go get them.

Or sit around whining about it, like you.

Elevated threat of terrorism? Where did that come from? Last I checked, the thread title was still, "there is no terror threat. period."

Alt+F4 · 3rd June 2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by nails3jesus0

I love how oliver is acting like the dead are the only ones effected by 9/11. As if no one got crippled or got PTSD, but hey its ok to have you life forever altered in a negetive way as long as you arent dead, right? give me a break.

Excellent point.

You wanna talk numbers? Let's look at 9/11 by the numbers:

- Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609
- Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051
- % of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20
- FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274
- FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661
- Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300
- Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100
- Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714
- Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000

Linky: http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm

In addition:
A new survey by the American Red Cross has found that for many of those directly affected by 9/11, grief remains a constant companion nearly five years after the attacks occurred, the New York Times reports.

In addition:
A study released yesterday showed that three-quarters of children who lost a parent on 9/11 suffered from psychiatric illnesses after the attacks, including anxiety disorder, posttraumatic stress and depression.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

We will never be able to predict such a freak disaster and prevent it, no matter how much money we spend or how much force we use in this world.

We could no more prevent terrorism than we could serial killings.

.....and according to this post, even if there was a plot, it could not have been prevented.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

I believe terrorism is a threat as it has been since people started to communicate.

Yes, Sticks and stones=Modern warfare. Got it!

Wait. What terrorism? There is no terrorism.

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others.

They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true.

I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence.

Wow, they had a poll about using automobile and starvation statistics to support a no terrorist threat arguement? I gotta see this!!!

Tailgater · 3rd June 2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems".

Because everyone knows that if you vote for someone, you support 100% of their platform in the all or nothing world g4 and oliver live in.

Pardalis · 3rd June 2007, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

I see your whole existence as a contradiction

Originally Posted by g4macdad

The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others.

Coming from a Creationist it's quite a compliment.

fuelair · 3rd June 2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others.

They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true.

I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence.

Polls mostly mean jack-feces. Especially when they have not been very carefully designed so they do not mislead to get answers they want. By the by, are you saying the media is lying about the terror activities of the groups operating in Germany around the G-8?

fuelair · 3rd June 2007, 04:34 PM

Coming from a creationists' flying monkey container it is a difficult to launch compliment!

BPSCG · 4th June 2007, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

Terrorism is based on emotion. If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism.

So if the government would only allow people to grow, sell, and smoke all the marijuana they wanted, we would have nothing to worry about?

"Hey, man, gimme another hit off that bong..."
"Here ya go, man. Oh, wow, dude, look over there. They just blew up Florida...or Minnesota. I always get them confused..."
"Far out... Hey, lookit the flames...radical..."
"Y'know, if you look at that cloud, it looks just like a mushroom..."
"Dig it, mushrooms. Hey, you still got any...?"
"Nahhh...my old lady smoked 'em all. I think I got some peyote, though..."

Tailgater · 4th June 2007, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by BPSCG

So if the government would only allow people to grow, sell, and smoke all the marijuana they wanted, we would have nothing to worry about?

"Hey, man, gimme another hit off that bong..."
"Here ya go, man. Oh, wow, dude, look over there. They just blew up Florida...or Minnesota. I always get them confused..."
"Far out... Hey, lookit the flames...radical..."
"Y'know, if you look at that cloud, it looks just like a mushroom..."
"Dig it, mushrooms. Hey, you still got any...?"
"Nahhh...my old lady smoked 'em all. I think I got some peyote, though..."

"....uh....dude....your old lady smoked the mushrooms?"

Darth Rotor · 4th June 2007, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by g4macdad

The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others.

They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true.

I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence.

My existence is not a contradiction, friend, but your reasoning skills are atrophied.

DR

Snide · 4th June 2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Tailgater

"....uh....dude....your old lady smoked the mushrooms?"

Stoner dude gets Minnesota and Florida confused...why shoud this be surprising?

BPSCG · 4th June 2007, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Snide

Stoner dude gets Minnesota and Florida confused...why shoud this be surprising?

Thank you. It's always gratifying when someone picks up my tiny little jokes.

Almo · 4th June 2007, 02:46 PM

The threat is way smaller than the massive screw-over of our civil liberties would indicate.

2nd June 2007, 09:19 AM	#201
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,191	I am no fan of Bush but the Brits stand by the claim of Saddam's Iraq trying to get Uranium in Niger. Still Bush should not have used it. There were many doubts about the claim. Bush should have been using stuff that was rock solid. I don't think Uranium is very stable.....okay, bad pun.
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2nd June 2007, 09:25 AM	#202
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,955	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Just trying to figure out where you got the idea I thought the coalition should stay in Iraq. I suspect it was in an area southern of your head. typical response from that source.
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2nd June 2007, 09:29 AM	#205
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by firecoins http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick I can't believe you beat me. I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports. I just happened to be clicking on the thread when the news came across. It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist. These were just people upset with Bush, so lets call them....hmm....freedom fighters?
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2nd June 2007, 09:35 AM	#207
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,269	Oliver, in every one of your recent threads you seem to be operating on the unspoken assumption that the American people should do...um...something... about Bush, Iraq, etc., and that if we don't we are collectively a nation of gonadically-challenged wimps who should be shunned by all true warriors for purity and peace. My question to you is, what do you suggest we do? We do not have a parliamentary system so we can't call for a vote of no confidence and reconstitute the government. We don't really think it's necessary to go into armed revolt to throw Bush out - which would truly be a case of destroying the village in order to save it - and protests, however personally satisfying to the protesters, accomplish very little in the short run. (Think how long it took for protests against the Viet Nam war to effect any change in national policy. Never mind that - look at how long the civil rights movement took. And in many cases, they're still having to work at that one.) In any case, Bush will be out of office in less than two years and his policies will be history. If they really wanted to, Congress could pull the whole thing to a screeching halt, but they are not willing to expend the political capital it would take to overcome a presidential veto (they would no doubt prefer to save it to be sure their particular pork projects get included in the next funding bill.) In my opinion, all that can be done is to mitigate the damage as much as possible while waiting for 2008 and the next elections. But you have that detached European wisdom that knows that the barbarian Americans would be so much happier, so much calmer, so much more peaceful, if only we would learn from our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters. So come on, Oliver. What should we do?
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2nd June 2007, 09:41 AM	#208
slingblade Guest Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 23,642	The whole conversation feels like dancing, but I can't hear the music. What's the point here? America-bashing, Bush-bashing, media-bashing; how gullible are we, how oblivious are we, what? Do we listen to the spin and the hype too much, or not enough? Are we being lied to, bamboozled, fooled, and if so, by whom, and for what sinister reasons? I dunno. Too much rhetoric for me. I'm gonna go cut the grass.
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2nd June 2007, 09:28 AM	#203
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,086	Originally Posted by firecoins http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick I can't believe you beat me. I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports. Impossible. Oliver has stated that terrorism doesn't exist. He even used big letters at one point, which makes his opinion infallible. Therefore, this is just neocon fear-mongering.

2nd June 2007, 09:28 AM	#204
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by firecoins http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick I can't believe you beat me. I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports. Nah, Oliver is probably going to file this under "normal terrorism"... Originally Posted by Oliver These are pretty normal terrorist related issues like all the other terrorist issues over the last 4000 years.

2nd June 2007, 09:34 AM	#206
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,086	Originally Posted by Tailgater I just happened to be clicking on the thread when the news came across. It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist. These were just people upset with Bush, so lets call them....hmm....freedom fighters? And, of course, once a Dem gets the White House the terrorism threat will end entirely and all law enforcement and military efforts spent fighting it can be dismantled.

2nd June 2007, 09:42 AM	#209
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by Tailgater It's not terrorism, because a terrorist threat does not exist. [Oliver] It can't be a threat, no one got hurt! [/Oliver]

2nd June 2007, 09:52 AM	#210
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,086	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I But you have that detached European wisdom that knows that the barbarian Americans would be so much happier, so much calmer, so much more peaceful, if only we would learn from our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters. So come on, Oliver. What should we do? This is how our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters in Europe handle political differences - with extreme violence! It's the European way...

2nd June 2007, 10:02 AM	#211
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,264	Originally Posted by WildCat And, of course, once a Dem gets the White House the terrorism threat will end entirely and all law enforcement and military efforts spent fighting it can be dismantled. Good, there must be some federal buildings in cities other than Oklahoma City that need blowing up. Urban renewal, the McVeigh Way! DR
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2nd June 2007, 12:00 PM	#212
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,086	From CNN: Quote: In another recorded conversation with his alleged conspirators in May 2007, Defreitas compared the plot to attack JFK airport with the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center, saying, "Even the Twin Towers can't touch it. This can destroy the economy of America for some time," according to Justice officials. As I said earlier, it's not just lives that the damage from terrorists is measured in - they also want to cause economic damage. Drunk driving just doesn't do that.

2nd June 2007, 05:35 PM	#213
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,269	Originally Posted by WildCat This is how our older, more sophisticated brothers and sisters in Europe handle political differences - with extreme violence! It's the European way... Ah, but it's aimed at the U.S. and our deluded puppet-states so it's perfectly justified and pure as the driven snow.
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2nd June 2007, 11:07 PM	#214
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,955	And, speaking of Germany, their police have been getting some harm from a bunch of German/European terrorists today (160 plus wounded if the US media hasn't just lied about it). Some silliness about an economic conference. Must be imagining it since there is no terrorism-Oliver said so and he's right there!
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3rd June 2007, 06:18 AM	#215
g4macdad Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by fuelair And, speaking of Germany, their police have been getting some harm from a bunch of German/European terrorists today (160 plus wounded if the US media hasn't just lied about it). Some silliness about an economic conference. Must be imagining it since there is no terrorism-Oliver said so and he's right there! I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems". Funny how it is the same handful of insignificant people who jump all over this hog wash. The only reason you are tolerated is that all the polls show you have no impact anyway.
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3rd June 2007, 07:03 AM	#216
Elizabeth I Olympic Equestrian Wannabe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Defending the Alamo Posts: 9,269	Originally Posted by g4macdad I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems". Funny how it is the same handful of insignificant people who jump all over this hog wash. The only reason you are tolerated is that all the polls show you have no impact anyway. ?????????? ??????????
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3rd June 2007, 07:24 AM	#217
g4macdad Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by Elizabeth I ?????????? ?????????? The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others. They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true. I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence.
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3rd June 2007, 07:54 AM	#218
RandFan Mormon Atheist Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 53,274	Originally Posted by g4macdad They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true. You do realize that this is a fallacy don't you? Please see argument ad populum.
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3rd June 2007, 08:08 AM	#219
g4macdad Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by RandFan You do realize that this is a fallacy don't you? Please see argument ad populum. Only in your perception (and a biased and skewed perception it is). Terrorism is based on emotion. If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism. Just as he claims.
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3rd June 2007, 08:32 AM	#220
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Ya Randfan, it's like those sci-fi horror movies. If you don't believe in the bad guy, he will cease to exist.
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3rd June 2007, 09:09 AM	#221
g4macdad Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by Tailgater Ya Randfan, it's like those sci-fi horror movies. If you don't believe in the bad guy, he will cease to exist. Nice analogy! Sci-fi monsters and terrorism.
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3rd June 2007, 09:16 AM	#222
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism. More like an analogy from this statement, but your reading comprehension has shown how you might think otherwise.
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3rd June 2007, 09:24 AM	#223
g4macdad Muse Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by Tailgater More like an analogy from this statement, but your reading comprehension has shown how you might think otherwise. Bad wording. There is no such thing as an elevated threat of terrorism. If the "bad guys" as you call them exist, go get them. Or sit around whining about it, like you.
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3rd June 2007, 09:29 AM	#224
jsiv King of Svalbard Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bortenfor alle blåner Posts: 4,492	Originally Posted by firecoins http://www.wnbc.com/news/13431721/de...l?dl=mainclick I can't believe you beat me. I guess terroism is a threat...if you live in NY. Or are flying out of Logan or Newark airports. How convenient that this just happens to be uncovered right after Oliver starts this thread. How convenient indeed.
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3rd June 2007, 09:32 AM	#225
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by jsiv How convenient that this just happens to be uncovered right after Oliver starts this thread. How convenient indeed. It only happened in your perception and emotions. Nothing to see here. Carry on.
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3rd June 2007, 09:39 AM	#226
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad Bad wording. There is no such thing as an elevated threat of terrorism. If the "bad guys" as you call them exist, go get them. Or sit around whining about it, like you. Elevated threat of terrorism? Where did that come from? Last I checked, the thread title was still, "there is no terror threat. period."
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3rd June 2007, 09:58 AM	#227
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,780	Originally Posted by nails3jesus0 I love how oliver is acting like the dead are the only ones effected by 9/11. As if no one got crippled or got PTSD, but hey its ok to have you life forever altered in a negetive way as long as you arent dead, right? give me a break. Excellent point. You wanna talk numbers? Let's look at 9/11 by the numbers: - Number of people who lost a spouse or partner in the attacks: 1,609 - Estimated number of children who lost a parent: 3,051 - % of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed in the attacks: 20 - FDNY retirements, January–July 2001: 274 - FDNY retirements, January–July 2002: 661 - Number of firefighters on leave for respiratory problems by January 2002: 300 - Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 - Total number of hate crimes reported to the Council on American-Islamic Relations nationwide since 9/11: 1,714 - Estimated number of New Yorkers suffering from post-traumatic-stress disorder as a result of 9/11: 422,000 Linky: http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm In addition: A new survey by the American Red Cross has found that for many of those directly affected by 9/11, grief remains a constant companion nearly five years after the attacks occurred, the New York Times reports. In addition: A study released yesterday showed that three-quarters of children who lost a parent on 9/11 suffered from psychiatric illnesses after the attacks, including anxiety disorder, posttraumatic stress and depression.
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3rd June 2007, 10:00 AM	#228
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad We will never be able to predict such a freak disaster and prevent it, no matter how much money we spend or how much force we use in this world. We could no more prevent terrorism than we could serial killings. .....and according to this post, even if there was a plot, it could not have been prevented.
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3rd June 2007, 10:07 AM	#229
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad I believe terrorism is a threat as it has been since people started to communicate. Yes, Sticks and stones=Modern warfare. Got it! Wait. What terrorism? There is no terrorism.
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3rd June 2007, 10:17 AM	#230
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others. They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true. I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence. Wow, they had a poll about using automobile and starvation statistics to support a no terrorist threat arguement? I gotta see this!!!
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3rd June 2007, 10:25 AM	#231
Tailgater Illuminator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,212	Originally Posted by g4macdad I see your whole existence as a contradiction, as you only share your your moronic opinion with the "Christian conservatives" you claim to hate. Then you tell us you will vote for Obama as you bash "Dems". Because everyone knows that if you vote for someone, you support 100% of their platform in the all or nothing world g4 and oliver live in.
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3rd June 2007, 02:20 PM	#232
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by g4macdad I see your whole existence as a contradiction Originally Posted by g4macdad The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others. Coming from a Creationist it's quite a compliment.

3rd June 2007, 04:31 PM	#233
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,955	Originally Posted by g4macdad The post was aimed at Wildcat, Pardalis, Rotor and a few others. They try to make Oliver's view out to be a joke, when it is as close to reality as any others I have seen here. The polls all show this to be true. I am just pointing this out in his apparent absence. Polls mostly mean jack-feces. Especially when they have not been very carefully designed so they do not mislead to get answers they want. By the by, are you saying the media is lying about the terror activities of the groups operating in Germany around the G-8?
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3rd June 2007, 04:34 PM	#234
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,955	Coming from a creationists' flying monkey container it is a difficult to launch compliment!
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4th June 2007, 07:30 AM	#235
BPSCG Cannibal Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Looting Fafner's Cave Posts: 17,556	Originally Posted by g4macdad Terrorism is based on emotion. If the polls show people are not afraid. There is no terrorism. So if the government would only allow people to grow, sell, and smoke all the marijuana they wanted, we would have nothing to worry about? "Hey, man, gimme another hit off that bong..." "Here ya go, man. Oh, wow, dude, look over there. They just blew up Florida...or Minnesota. I always get them confused..." "Far out... Hey, lookit the flames...radical..." "Y'know, if you look at that cloud, it looks just like a mushroom..." "Dig it, mushrooms. Hey, you still got any...?" "Nahhh...my old lady smoked 'em all. I think I got some peyote, though..."
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