Was the "Bush wire" ever accepted as fact, or mere speculation?

Undesired Walrus · 4th June 2007, 05:32 AM

Remember the 2004 presidential debate between those two terrible men?
Apparantly, Bush 'was wired'. In terms of conspiracy theories, it is perfect.

Look at it, it dont look 'quite right'!!!??!!?

Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible?

gumboot · 4th June 2007, 05:38 AM

Wired by whom? And to what end?

-Gumboot

Pardalis · 4th June 2007, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible?

It's either a tapeworm or just a wire for his earpiece...

JimBenArm · 4th June 2007, 05:45 AM

It's the harness for his NWO puppet strings. Don't you all ever read the manuals?

Hokulele · 4th June 2007, 05:46 AM

It's detcord.

defaultdotxbe · 4th June 2007, 05:49 AM

my first thought would be he forgot to take the clothes hanger off his jacket before putting it on

MG1962 · 4th June 2007, 05:50 AM

Lucky someone didn't pull it

Undesired Walrus · 4th June 2007, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by gumboot

Wired by whom? And to what end?

-Gumboot

I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say.

NoZed Avenger · 4th June 2007, 06:05 AM

Bulletproof vest.

T.A.M. · 4th June 2007, 06:10 AM

1. Bullet Proof Vest
2. Off centered Seam of suit
3. WIre for ear piece for cell phone, or communication with SS, or to his speech writer.
4. puppet strings
5. spines from his lizard skin (hat tip to the lizard people)

TAM

gumboot · 4th June 2007, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say.

I would have thought a more obvious place to look for that sort of thing would be in his ear...

-Gumboot

fuelair · 4th June 2007, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by Hokulele

It's detcord.

Nice idea!

fuelair · 4th June 2007, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by gumboot

I would have thought a more obvious place to look for that sort of thing would be in his ear...

-Gumboot

I suspect that is so necessary that it is permanently/internally planted - they replace the batteries at his annual check-up.

gumboot · 4th June 2007, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by fuelair

I suspect that is so necessary that it is permanently/internally planted - they replace the batteries at his annual check-up.

So why didn't they do that with the wire?

-Gumboot

trashy · 4th June 2007, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Lucky someone didn't pull it

hey......hey! Pull my wire...........

Horatius · 4th June 2007, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible?

Being serious here - I know, I know, it's only temporary! - I'd think it more likely it's wiring for a lapel microphone. They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV, so they ran it down the back of his jacket. Does anyone have info on how they recorded the sound in that debate?

Stellafane · 4th June 2007, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

my first thought would be he forgot to take the clothes hanger off his jacket before putting it on

No more wire hangers...ever!!

My theory is that it's the string Cheney and Condo pull to get him to talk.

CurtC · 4th June 2007, 08:27 AM

Along with the picture of what looks like a wire, news at the time highlighted a particular response by Bush during that debate where he appeared to be talking to a person that wasn't in the room. The idea that it was a wire feeding him debate points was fairly plausible to me, but not much of a CT.

Dr Adequate · 4th June 2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus

I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say.

If Bush has people telling him what to say, he should fire them and see what this guy can do.

Of course, there'd be accusations of nepotism.

Horatius · 4th June 2007, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Dr Adequate

Of course, there'd be accusations of nepotism.

There you go, pushing evil-ution on us again!

Brainster · 4th June 2007, 08:52 AM

The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates.

Undesired Walrus · 4th June 2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV

Somewhat of a pointless exercise that isn't it

?

NoZed Avenger · 4th June 2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Being serious here - I know, I know, it's only temporary! - I'd think it more likely it's wiring for a lapel microphone. They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV, so they ran it down the back of his jacket.

. . . Or they could use wireless microphones.

IIRC, the same type of bulge/seam showed up in a pic of Bush driving a pick-up on his ranch around the same time period.

Now maybe they kept him mic'd in the pick-up just in case the truck broke down and they needed to coach him through getting AAA out there to help, but I have to lean towards: bulletproof vest type thingy.

Steven Lupo Grossi · 4th June 2007, 02:03 PM

This was discussed on ETS surgery boards some time ago. There is reason to believe that president Bush had a sympathectomy:

Several photos of him jogging appear to show him sweating only from the nipple line down.

He had some sort of back surgery in the '80's.

His speaking abilities and overall alertness have diminished.

Anyway, we thought that the "wire" was a medtronic pacemaker device, which monitors heart activity, and can stimulate heart beating as needed. Bradycardia is a result of sympathectomy

pomeroo · 4th June 2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainster

The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates.

Brainster hits the nail squarely on the head. Kerry droned on about his "global test," stating conditions that were ALL met by the first Gulf War. Republicans and Kerry-haters everywhere were licking their chops waiting for Bush to pounce: Kerry, by reflexively opposing the effort to remove Saddam's army from Kuwait, had failed his own test. But Bush's response was worthy of a potted plant; his bat remained frozen to his shoulder as this deliciously fat pitch split the plate.

And someone proposes that Bush was "wired" to receive "answers"?! To figure out who was on the other end of the wire, all anyone had to do was check to see who in Bush's inner circle got fired immediately after the debate.

Redtail · 4th June 2007, 02:21 PM

I doubt it's a wire becase I did a show once with an older actor who couldn't remember his lines so he did have a set up so someone could feed his lines to him. The wire was the same size as the one that come from an MP3 player and the reviver was just a bit larger than your average cell phone. The only reason we knew about it was because in one scene (during rehearsal) an actress got distracted because she heard the ASM feeding him the lines and asked what that noise was and he showed us. I just can't see the Berkshire Theatre Festival having better technology than the White House.

Par · 4th June 2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by CurtC

Along with the picture of what looks like a wire, news at the time highlighted a particular response by Bush during that debate where he appeared to be talking to a person that wasn't in the room. The idea that it was a wire feeding him debate points was fairly plausible to me, but not much of a CT.

I believe he said something along the lines of “let me finish” without anyone actually having interrupted him. I thought at the time that the simplest explanation as to he did so (and indeed I saw the same explanation used on a news programme shortly after the incident) was that someone had gestured towards him to suggest they meant to interject and he had merely pre-empted the potential interruption.

Par · 4th June 2007, 02:31 PM

http://cryptome.org/bush-bulge-28.jpg

aggle-rithm · 4th June 2007, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates.

This disproves the detcord hypothesis also. If they could have blown Bush to smithereens, that would have been the time to do it.

Civilized Worm · 4th June 2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by pomeroo

And someone poposes that Bush was "wired" to receive "answers"?! To figure out who was on the other end of the wire, all anyone had to do was check to see who in Bush's inner circle got fired immediately after the debate.

Maybe it was the democrats!

Par · 4th June 2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by NoZed Avenger

IIRC, the same type of bulge/seam showed up in a pic of Bush driving a pick-up on his ranch around the same time period.

That's here: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...ter/index.html

tacodaemon · 4th June 2007, 02:59 PM

A few weeks after the debate, one of the Capitol Hill newspapers reported (citing unnamed Secret Service sources) that it was from a bulletproof-vest strap and that "The president’s handlers did not want to admit as much during the campaign, for fear of disclosing information related to his personal security while he was on the campaign trail."

Steven Lupo Grossi · 4th June 2007, 03:17 PM

Someone found a picture of the medtronic device, and it seemed to match very well with the outlines seen under Bush's coat.

gumboot · 4th June 2007, 08:29 PM

Redtail is quite right, the actual receiver and wire for a earpiece (much as with a body mic) can easily be hidden out of sight.

Having been involved in theatre since I was about 12 (and then film), I have been wired, and assisted in the wiring of others dozens and dozens of times. You'd be amazed at the sort of costumes the sound techs can hide them in. A suit would be very very simple.

-Gumboot

Drysdale · 4th June 2007, 08:55 PM

Is there any pictures of Kerry's back for comparison from that debate?

Maybe that'd at least eliminate the possibility the TV audio engineers wired both for the debate.

Alzke · 4th June 2007, 08:59 PM

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=press+for+tr uth

Check out this clip of Bush on Sept 13th, 2001 from "Press for Truth" (1:00:15 - 1:00:45)

It always stuck me as odd ... he acts like he's listening for something and I can just picture Rove hunched over in some dark room piping this stuff in

edit: why is JREF splitting up "truth" in my URL? It doesnt show up with a space in the edit window

StoneWT · 4th June 2007, 09:15 PM

I always thought it was possible bunching of his coat combined with distortion from the video.

Unfit4Command · 4th June 2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe

my first thought would be he forgot to take the clothes hanger off his jacket before putting it on

LMAO!!

I actually laughed for a while when I read that.

I'm not sure what the bulge in Bush's back could have been. Here's a pretty bad picture from the second debate from comparison.

Taken from this video.

-eta-
Found a better video here.

Looks like there was no "wire" (or whatever it was) in the second debate. I don't understand how Bush could have been wired during the first debate when he did so poorly, and not wired during the second where I thought he did much better, but I can't remember all of the questions he was asked exactly...that was quite a few years ago.

CFLarsen · 4th June 2007, 10:15 PM

Bad tailor.

neutrino_cannon · 4th June 2007, 10:20 PM

Who cares if they're all wired? It's not as though they would ever be expected to make a policy decision in a vacuum, why should they debate in one?

4th June 2007, 05:32 AM	#1
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Was the "Bush wire" ever accepted as fact, or mere speculation? Remember the 2004 presidential debate between those two terrible men? Apparantly, Bush 'was wired'. In terms of conspiracy theories, it is perfect. Look at it, it dont look 'quite right'!!!??!!? Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible?

4th June 2007, 05:38 AM	#2
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4th June 2007, 05:44 AM	#3
Pardalis Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Montréal Posts: 25,831	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible? It's either a tapeworm or just a wire for his earpiece...
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4th June 2007, 05:46 AM	#5
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4th June 2007, 05:49 AM	#6
defaultdotxbe Drunken Shikigami Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Dark Side of the Sun Posts: 7,482	my first thought would be he forgot to take the clothes hanger off his jacket before putting it on
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4th June 2007, 05:50 AM	#7
MG1962 Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas (Australia) Posts: 14,750	Lucky someone didn't pull it

4th June 2007, 06:04 AM	#8
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Originally Posted by gumboot Wired by whom? And to what end? -Gumboot I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say.

4th June 2007, 06:05 AM	#9
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4th June 2007, 06:12 AM	#11
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,103	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say. I would have thought a more obvious place to look for that sort of thing would be in his ear... -Gumboot
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4th June 2007, 06:16 AM	#12
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by Hokulele It's detcord. Nice idea!
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4th June 2007, 06:17 AM	#13
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,881	Originally Posted by gumboot I would have thought a more obvious place to look for that sort of thing would be in his ear... -Gumboot I suspect that is so necessary that it is permanently/internally planted - they replace the batteries at his annual check-up.
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4th June 2007, 06:23 AM	#14
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,103	Originally Posted by fuelair I suspect that is so necessary that it is permanently/internally planted - they replace the batteries at his annual check-up. So why didn't they do that with the wire? -Gumboot
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4th June 2007, 06:29 AM	#15
trashy New Blood Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 14	Originally Posted by MG1962 Lucky someone didn't pull it hey......hey! Pull my wire...........

4th June 2007, 07:35 AM	#16
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus Is this a mere conspiracy theory, or something more plausible? Being serious here - I know, I know, it's only temporary! - I'd think it more likely it's wiring for a lapel microphone. They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV, so they ran it down the back of his jacket. Does anyone have info on how they recorded the sound in that debate?
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4th June 2007, 07:51 AM	#17
Stellafane Village Idiot. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Green Mountains Posts: 6,265	Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe my first thought would be he forgot to take the clothes hanger off his jacket before putting it on No more wire hangers...ever!! My theory is that it's the string Cheney and Condo pull to get him to talk.
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4th June 2007, 08:27 AM	#18
CurtC Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,758	Along with the picture of what looks like a wire, news at the time highlighted a particular response by Bush during that debate where he appeared to be talking to a person that wasn't in the room. The idea that it was a wire feeding him debate points was fairly plausible to me, but not much of a CT.
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4th June 2007, 08:38 AM	#19
Dr Adequate Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Waiting Long Enough By The River Posts: 17,897	Originally Posted by Undesired Walrus I think the point is that people thought it was for a ear piece to tell him what to say. If Bush has people telling him what to say, he should fire them and see what this guy can do. Of course, there'd be accusations of nepotism.

4th June 2007, 08:46 AM	#20
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Posts: 21,883	Originally Posted by Dr Adequate Of course, there'd be accusations of nepotism. There you go, pushing evil-ution on us again!
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4th June 2007, 08:52 AM	#21
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 10,409	The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates.
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4th June 2007, 11:20 AM	#22
Undesired Walrus Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 10,882	Originally Posted by Horatius They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV Somewhat of a pointless exercise that isn't it ?

4th June 2007, 11:40 AM	#23
NoZed Avenger Bitter Whiner Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11,313	Originally Posted by Horatius Being serious here - I know, I know, it's only temporary! - I'd think it more likely it's wiring for a lapel microphone. They wouldn't want a bunch of ugly wires running in plain view, as that would make him look bad on TV, so they ran it down the back of his jacket. . . . Or they could use wireless microphones. IIRC, the same type of bulge/seam showed up in a pic of Bush driving a pick-up on his ranch around the same time period. Now maybe they kept him mic'd in the pick-up just in case the truck broke down and they needed to coach him through getting AAA out there to help, but I have to lean towards: bulletproof vest type thingy.
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4th June 2007, 02:03 PM	#24
Steven Lupo Grossi Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 468	This was discussed on ETS surgery boards some time ago. There is reason to believe that president Bush had a sympathectomy: Several photos of him jogging appear to show him sweating only from the nipple line down. He had some sort of back surgery in the '80's. His speaking abilities and overall alertness have diminished. Anyway, we thought that the "wire" was a medtronic pacemaker device, which monitors heart activity, and can stimulate heart beating as needed. Bradycardia is a result of sympathectomy
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4th June 2007, 02:19 PM	#25
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,091	Quote: Originally Posted by Brainster The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates. Brainster hits the nail squarely on the head. Kerry droned on about his "global test," stating conditions that were ALL met by the first Gulf War. Republicans and Kerry-haters everywhere were licking their chops waiting for Bush to pounce: Kerry, by reflexively opposing the effort to remove Saddam's army from Kuwait, had failed his own test. But Bush's response was worthy of a potted plant; his bat remained frozen to his shoulder as this deliciously fat pitch split the plate. And someone proposes that Bush was "wired" to receive "answers"?! To figure out who was on the other end of the wire, all anyone had to do was check to see who in Bush's inner circle got fired immediately after the debate.
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4th June 2007, 02:21 PM	#26
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,303	I doubt it's a wire becase I did a show once with an older actor who couldn't remember his lines so he did have a set up so someone could feed his lines to him. The wire was the same size as the one that come from an MP3 player and the reviver was just a bit larger than your average cell phone. The only reason we knew about it was because in one scene (during rehearsal) an actress got distracted because she heard the ASM feeding him the lines and asked what that noise was and he showed us. I just can't see the Berkshire Theatre Festival having better technology than the White House.
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4th June 2007, 02:28 PM	#27
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by CurtC Along with the picture of what looks like a wire, news at the time highlighted a particular response by Bush during that debate where he appeared to be talking to a person that wasn't in the room. The idea that it was a wire feeding him debate points was fairly plausible to me, but not much of a CT. I believe he said something along the lines of “let me finish” without anyone actually having interrupted him. I thought at the time that the simplest explanation as to he did so (and indeed I saw the same explanation used on a news programme shortly after the incident) was that someone had gestured towards him to suggest they meant to interject and he had merely pre-empted the potential interruption.

4th June 2007, 02:31 PM	#28
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	http://cryptome.org/bush-bulge-28.jpg

4th June 2007, 02:39 PM	#29
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by Brainster The odd thing about the claims that Bush was cheating was that he performed so poorly in that particular debate that it would have been more productive for the Kerry campaign to demand that the President wear a wire in the subsequent debates. This disproves the detcord hypothesis also. If they could have blown Bush to smithereens, that would have been the time to do it.
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4th June 2007, 02:42 PM	#30
Civilized Worm The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 1,718	Originally Posted by pomeroo And someone poposes that Bush was "wired" to receive "answers"?! To figure out who was on the other end of the wire, all anyone had to do was check to see who in Bush's inner circle got fired immediately after the debate. Maybe it was the democrats!

4th June 2007, 02:52 PM	#31
Par Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,769	Originally Posted by NoZed Avenger IIRC, the same type of bulge/seam showed up in a pic of Bush driving a pick-up on his ranch around the same time period. That's here: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feat...ter/index.html

4th June 2007, 02:59 PM	#32
tacodaemon Muse Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: DC Posts: 571	A few weeks after the debate, one of the Capitol Hill newspapers reported (citing unnamed Secret Service sources) that it was from a bulletproof-vest strap and that "The president’s handlers did not want to admit as much during the campaign, for fear of disclosing information related to his personal security while he was on the campaign trail."
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4th June 2007, 03:17 PM	#33
Steven Lupo Grossi Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 468	Someone found a picture of the medtronic device, and it seemed to match very well with the outlines seen under Bush's coat.
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4th June 2007, 08:29 PM	#34
gumboot lorcutus.tolere Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 23,103	Redtail is quite right, the actual receiver and wire for a earpiece (much as with a body mic) can easily be hidden out of sight. Having been involved in theatre since I was about 12 (and then film), I have been wired, and assisted in the wiring of others dozens and dozens of times. You'd be amazed at the sort of costumes the sound techs can hide them in. A suit would be very very simple. -Gumboot
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4th June 2007, 08:55 PM	#35
Drysdale Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,017	Is there any pictures of Kerry's back for comparison from that debate? Maybe that'd at least eliminate the possibility the TV audio engineers wired both for the debate.