Lying with Pixels - Technology Article from 2000 - Page 3

WildCat · 16th June 2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ.

The article says no such thing.

Meanwhile...

Originally Posted by WildCat

Where is your post regarding the thousands of people who saw the planes hit the towers with their own eyes?

Brainache · 16th June 2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

This thread is about debunking Mackey. Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ.

Perhaps we should take TAM's advice and wait until Mackey shows up and has something to say for himself.

Well, since Mr Mackey has said you are on his ignore list because of your complete lunacy, I think we'll be waiting a long time.

Mr. Skinny · 16th June 2007, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Where's Ryan Mackey?

People with professional jobs sometimes have to travel in performance of said job, sometimes for as long as a week or more. Then, when they return home, they have personal affairs to attend to that don't necessarily include replying to CT's on internet forums at the top of their list of priorities.

I'm sure you understand.

T.A.M. · 16th June 2007, 04:43 PM

And since when did any thread become about debunking a particular person, rather than a theory.

TAM

Corsair 115 · 16th June 2007, 04:49 PM

I'm interested in knowing if TS will indeed go through with his offer to create his own aircraft video fakery to see if it will pass the test of the eagle-eyed folks around here. If nothing else, if he attempts to create such a video he'll get an idea of how complicated and time consuming it can be.

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 06:52 PM

I will.

Corsair 115 · 16th June 2007, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

I will.

I'll be interested in seeing your results, but bear in mind the resolution caveat I mentioned earlier. Personally, I'd like to see a video that's playable at a default size of at least 640x480, and preferrably 800x600.

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by calebprime

I volunteer to be on the distinguished panel of judges. I have a Masters in Riffology.

Was that you in that video? That guitarist--he have fast hands! Dam! (DJJ)

No, This is me

The guy in the vid (and my avatar) is the late great Dimebag Darrell Abbott.

By th eway Ace, that Les Paul is tuned down to Drop - Cb at all times. Anytime you wanna match musical wits, holla at ya boy.

cloudshipsrule · 16th June 2007, 07:14 PM

Off topic: Unsecured Coins,

What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot?

quixotecoyote · 16th June 2007, 07:19 PM

The really interesting thing is that the article is not condeming television/cable news media. It's warning about misleading videos posted on the internet. Know of any of those?

Quote:

Even cool heads like Pike, however, concede that the media’s fortress of skepticism has an Achilles heel: the Internet. “The issue is not so much your ability to get fake video on CNN, but to get it online,” he says. That’s because so much Internet content is unfiltered.

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule

Off topic: Unsecured Coins,

What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot?

I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about

Arkan_Wolfshade · 16th June 2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

This thread is about debunking Mackey. Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ.

Perhaps we should take TAM's advice and wait until Mackey shows up and has something to say for himself.

Maybe you should have PM'ed him instead of being a

cloudshipsrule · 16th June 2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about

NWO stuff, huh?

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule

NWO stuff, huh?

indeed

A W Smith · 16th June 2007, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about

NO ONE dare ask about their in laws Ironic breeze units.

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

No, This is me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ndBullseye.jpg

The guy in the vid (and my avatar) is the late great Dimebag Darrell Abbott.

By th eway Ace, that Les Paul is tuned down to Drop - Cb at all times. Anytime you wanna match musical wits, holla at ya boy.

C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B. Love low tunings. That's really low though. Must use fatter strings, I'm guessing. You should maybe just get a baritone guitar.

Match musical wits? Sounds intriguing, but, whatever do you mean?

D'rok · 16th June 2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B.

As CT Forum lurker, I have to say.....nice one Ace! It's not often you get a legitimate jab in.

Point scored.

....back to loony-land you go.

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 08:26 PM

ZZZZZZZZZ. For the zillionth time. I'm not aware of any "thousands" of people who say they saw planes. I'm not aware of any "hundreds" of people who say they saw planes.

I've seen published statements from around 15 or so individuals who say they saw plane(s), and most of them work for the mainstream media.

If anyone wants to provide links to "thousands" or "hundreds" or even "dozens" of individuals who say they saw planes, I'll be happy to look. I'm not going to accept anyone's word on this without evidence.

Evidence, please.

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B. Love low tunings. That's really low though. Must use fatter strings, I'm guessing. You should maybe just get a baritone guitar.

Match musical wits? Sounds intriguing, but, whatever do you mean?

Woo!! so he DOES pay attention.

I use 10-56's on everything, but I have been known to go up to a 70 if I need to. I don't need a baritone, but if I do, I'll use my 1972 ES-335. (note - I am a collector)

But as far as musical wits go, how did I know you weren't going to get that reference, or... "have you forgotten" already?

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

Woo!! so he DOES pay attention.

I use 10-56's on everything, but I have been known to go up to a 70 if I need to. I don't need a baritone, but if I do, I'll use my 1972 ES-335. (note - I am a collector)

But as far as musical wits go, how did I know you weren't going to get that reference, or... "have you forgotten" already?

I must've forgotten. Perhaps a few memory cells were "Blown to Kingdom Come". Do remind me.

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

I must've forgotten. Perhaps a few memory cells were "Blown to Kingdom Come". Do remind me.

I'm saying you couldn't write an original song to save your life. How about that?

Foolmewunz · 16th June 2007, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

ZZZZZZZZZ. For the zillionth time. I'm not aware of any "thousands" of people who say they saw planes. I'm not aware of any "hundreds" of people who say they saw planes.

I've seen published statements from around 15 or so individuals who say they saw plane(s), and most of them work for the mainstream media.

If anyone wants to provide links to "thousands" or "hundreds" or even "dozens" of individuals who say they saw planes, I'll be happy to look. I'm not going to accept anyone's word on this without evidence.

Evidence, please.

Ace, let's try this again, okay? We've done it once before but we'll do it a step at a time.

I saw the plane hit.
I was in a building in Jersey City (Exchange Place) with a picture window view of the towers.
I was with a minimum of twenty people in my section of our offices, and I later learned that there were another seventy in the conference room and other executive offices.
All of us were staring at the conflagration of WTC1 and heard the second plane approaching AND THEN WITNESSED IT CRASHING INTO THE TOWER.

This was ONE FLOOR of a ~35 floor building (not sure of the exact floors)... so in that building alone there were probably a thousand people who witnessed it.

There are about five such towers around that area with equally direct views of the WTC and WFC complex. Add another 5000.

Additionally, there were thousands of people down on the boardwalk and pier watching the events.

And this was one city, Jersey City. All up the western shore of the Hudson, there were tens of thousands of people in buildings and along the waterfront watching WTC 1 burn, and a large percentage of those saw the Boeing slam into and through the building. The best views were from Liberty Park (Southern end of Jersey City) up to around the Holand Tunnel.

And that was just on the Jersey side. (I suspect far more people on our side of the river had a clear view. Manhattan is crowded with buildings and skyscrapers, and there were noises on the ground so people looking at #1 wouldn't have necessarily heard the jet approaching like we did.)

So, .... "tens of thousands" is a fair estimation.

Why haven't you read our statements? Well, you've read mine, but you might be surprised to know that the FBI did not go out and interview 10,000 people to ask if we saw a plane hitting WTC 2. Therefore we're not a part of the record.

Please cite me the statistics for the number of people, on record, who witnessed the Challenger disaster. Everyone saw the Challenger explode, live on television. Everyone saw 175 hit WTC 2, live on television. Why would they go around interviewing eyewitnesses to compile a mass of data in the expectation that some frustrated loon would demand the evidence seven years later?

> Swingdangler.... Ya know, I was a little distracted and didn't think to look at the tail fin to get a number!

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

I'm saying you couldn't write an original song to save your life. How about that?

Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music.

You?

beachnut · 16th June 2007, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music.

You?

I wonder how much better you would do if you were not such a poor researcher. You did not make money off of research on 9/11, or are you selling lies like LC?

All that money and still not able to think and be rational, as in Beam Weapon, dustified WTC etc. Just goes to show you do not need to be rational or logical to make money. Making up lies does not impede the ability to make money. I bet there is a song in there somewhere.

As agents we know you use to play for cookies, and you should stick to playing and drop the critical thinking research gig (or is that your cover story?).

Unsecured Coins · 16th June 2007, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music.

You?

Me? I move every 2-3 years because my military duty doesn't allow for long term residential status. I never sign a lease for more than a year at a time because God knows when I'll have to pack up my wife and kid, 2 cats and my bird, and my more expensive guitars into one of my 2 obnoxiously large SUV's going to our next station. I am by no means "rich" but I do have alot of stuff I don't need that I refuse to share with anybody. Of course, I do retire in 6 and a half years as to make good on my promise to die a happy man on a golf course somewhere out in the middle of nowhere at the ripe old age of 37 (age of retirement, not death. insha allah). That's why guitar playing is more of a hobby to me than a source of income, even though I have played with the likes of Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Nick Catanese (of Black Label Society), PumpJack, Brand New Sin, and Bullistic, to name a few.

A W Smith · 16th June 2007, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music.

You?

McDonald's makes billions. does not mean their "food" is good for you or nutritious. So you write pulp crap thats gobbled up by the masses. doesn't mean its original or artistic.

pomeroo · 16th June 2007, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

ZZZZZZZZZ. For the zillionth time. I'm not aware of any "thousands" of people who say they saw planes. I'm not aware of any "hundreds" of people who say they saw planes.

Yes, it is true that you are not aware that New York City is the biggest city in America. You are not aware that after the first plane hit the North Tower, thousands of people watched the skies from the street and their office windows. You are not aware that thousands of eyewitnesses saw the second plane crash into the South Tower.

You are not aware of these FACTS because you are insane.

Quote:

I've seen published statements from around 15 or so individuals who say they saw plane(s), and most of them work for the mainstream media.

If anyone wants to provide links to "thousands" or "hundreds" or even "dozens" of individuals who say they saw planes, I'll be happy to look. I'm not going to accept anyone's word on this without evidence.

Evidence, please.

You are not interested in the overwhelming evidence that contradicts your deranged fantasy. You are insane.

Do not use insults or accusations of insanity to argue your point.

Posted By:Lisa Simpson

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

Me? I move every 2-3 years because my military duty doesn't allow for long term residential status. I never sign a lease for more than a year at a time because God knows when I'll have to pack up my wife and kid, 2 cats and my bird, and my more expensive guitars into one of my 2 obnoxiously large SUV's going to our next station. I am by no means "rich" but I do have alot of stuff I don't need that I refuse to share with anybody. Of course, I do retire in 6 and a half years as to make good on my promise to die a happy man on a golf course somewhere out in the middle of nowhere at the ripe old age of 37 (age of retirement, not death. insha allah). That's why guitar playing is more of a hobby to me than a source of income, even though I have played with the likes of Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Nick Catanese (of Black Label Society), PumpJack, Brand New Sin, and Bullistic, to name a few.

Dude, you probably shred. You're probably great. Rock on.

TruthSeeker1234 · 16th June 2007, 10:26 PM

Guys, I readily admit that IF planes had crashed into the WTC, THEN they would have been seen by thousands. I've been to NYC many times, and it's nothing if not chock full of humanity.

But the videos are fake, the planes display no crash physics, you've got a nose coming out of a building, you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen, you've got two different stations that fade to black as the plane hits, there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes, there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted, and. . .

There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media.

Ron, you can call me insane a thousand more times. Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least.

Zep · 16th June 2007, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Guys, I readily admit that IF planes had crashed into the WTC, THEN they would have been seen by thousands. I've been to NYC many times, and it's nothing if not chock full of humanity.

But the videos are fake, the planes display no crash physics, you've got a nose coming out of a building, you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen, you've got two different stations that fade to black as the plane hits, there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes, there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted, and. . .

There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media.

Ron, you can call me insane a thousand more times. Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least.

Nope.

Next!

The Mysterian · 16th June 2007, 11:30 PM

molten-steel-9-52-51-amcutout.jpg

Originally Posted by Swing Dangler

Is this really a picture of the North face of WTC 2 where the nose cone emerged?

NeoRicen · 16th June 2007, 11:36 PM

TS, If you do this thing where you make a fake video and a real one and have us guess, you CANNOT use anything that wasn't available in 2001 and you have to do it in the same time period from 9/11 to when the video was released.

PS: No nose came out the other ***ing side of the building, it's called an explosion and if you saw past the first couple of ***ing frames you'd see that, it's not even the same shape as the nose of the plane you nut.

WildCat · 16th June 2007, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule

Off topic: Unsecured Coins,

What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot?

[frank]
It's a Telefunken U47.
[/zappa]

Arus808 · 16th June 2007, 11:47 PM

add to that my aunt, uncle and cousin who saw 175 hit that south tower....

again ace, is grasping at straws.

we should stop arguing with a true life lunatic.

Brainache · 16th June 2007, 11:57 PM

Ace says he knows that NYC is crowded with people, many of whom must have seen these horrific events. Yet he still contends that no plane hit the towers.

Here's my question for Ace: If no plane hit the towers, why haven't thousands of people come forward in the last 5 years saying that all the videos are fake? As far as I can tell it's only people like you who weren't there that say this.

Where are the people who were there that agree with you?

These people would mostly be New Yorkers and people from New Jersey, who as far as I'm aware, don't have a reputation for being shy about expressing their opinions.

How about it Ace, heard of any witnesses that saw the buildings explode by means other than a bloody great aeroplane?

Corsair 115 · 17th June 2007, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

But the videos are fake...

You have not conclusively demonstrated that on any of the forty-plus angles available. You tried to do so with one particular live image, but there were errors in your procedures and methodology, as was pointed out in the relevant thread.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...the planes display no crash physics...

In what way? It all looks spot-on to me. And this comes from somone who can spot visual effect shots precisely because they don't exhibit the proper subtleties of motion and the related physics.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...you've got a nose coming out of a building

No, you've got something you're claiming in the undamaged nose section of the aircraft coming out of the building. You have not conclusively demonstrated your assertion, and the possibility that it is merely debris which looks like that has not been discounted.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen...

Station/network ID "bugs" as they are sometimes called? (Please don't get me started on a rant about the darned things.) You can see those things everywhere now, and all the time. Nothing unusual about it at all.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes

This is a miscategorization of their statements. They don't say there were no planes, they say they didn't see the aircraft because they didn't look beforehand or their viewing angle was blocked. Not seeing the aircraft is not the same thing as saying there were no aircraft. Asky them if they heard the aircraft - jet engines are quite loud and even in a busy, crowded city such noise would be heard. (Look no further than the Naudet brothers' video of the first impact - you can clearly hear the jet engines, and the firefighters react by looking upwards towards the sound before the first impact takes place.)

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted...

There most certainly was wreckage; have you forgotten the story of the woman who was injured by part of the landing gear? As for planting wreckage, you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim.

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes.

No, if there is a dearth it is of those who told their accounts to the media. Do you seriously expect the media to track down and interview every single potential witness in a city of millions? Do you seriously expect every single potential eyewitness in a city of millions to be found and interviewed by law enforcement authorities?

What you are claiming is like saying because every one of the 55,000 people who attended Saturday's Mets vs. Yankees baseball game were not interviewed by the media or otherwise had their eyewitness account of the game recorded, the baseball game therefore did not take place. This in spite of the video evidence of the game having been played. This in spite of the supporting documentary and other evidence of the game having been played.

No, you are saying because documented accounts cannot be found from all of the 55,000 spectators, the game therefore didn't take place - all other supporting evidence be damned. This does not strike you as being an argument bordering on the completely ludicrous?

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

...And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media.

And what about all the media from other countries who were there covering the story? The CBC, CTV, BBC, just to name three television networks, along with many, many more. New York is a major world city, and a great many media outlets have reporters or bureaus there. Should I presume then that all the media of the world was in cahoots to cover up the truth?

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least.

No, the only thing that's underwhelming are your attempts to discredit the official version of events. You have failed to conclusively demonstrate even one thing significantly wrong with it. Your claims of fakery and supposedly impossible physics are the product of misunderstanding of how things really work. You also make the error of not heeding or considering the merits of points others have made to you; your greater error though is in assuming your conclusion is correct and then seeing only what you want to believe.

I am now very eagerly awaiting your faked aircraft video. I am quite interested in seeing what you think can pass as realistic compared to those of us with more experience in the area think can pass as realistic.

Foolmewunz · 17th June 2007, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234

Guys, I readily admit that IF planes had crashed into the WTC, THEN they would have been seen by thousands. I've been to NYC many times, and it's nothing if not chock full of humanity.

But the videos are fake, the planes display no crash physics, you've got a nose coming out of a building, you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen, you've got two different stations that fade to black as the plane hits, there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes, there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted, and. . .

There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media.

Ron, you can call me insane a thousand more times. Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least.

So much wrong it's hard to know where to start.

There are witnesses who did not see a plane. Well, then they're not witnesses. Were they staring at the south face of WTC 2 at the moment your beam weapon struck, so can prove by not seeing the plane that there was no plane. I didn't see a large black labrador retriever in the park behind my apartment building this morning. But, a friend just sent me a picture of her walking her labrador in that park. How can that be? I didn't see it. It couldn't have happened. You're generally absurd, Ace. You're getting absurder.

Provably planted? Proven by whom? When was that? Are you going to get Killtown to draw you little stick figures of black ops agents sneaking the debris into place? Absurd squared.

The people on television who witnessed the planes were working for the media. Gasp! Reporters work for the media? Who'd a thunk it! Absurd cubed.

But let's take your overall theorem, here. If there was one witness who didn't work for the media and wasn't a government employee, who witnessed Flt 175 flying into WTC 2, then your entire theory is disproven. Well, I'm that witness. Ergo, your whole theory goes out the window (or out the north side hole along with the nose cone)!

slingblade · 17th June 2007, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins

I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about

Oxygen. My mom has one of those.

qarnos · 17th June 2007, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

Is this a new game? , can we all play along? Go on than Ace, give me my first clue, where is Ryan Mackay?

Is this like those "Where's Wally?" books? (That's "Where's Waldo?" for USAians).

T.A.M. · 17th June 2007, 04:40 AM

So ACE, here is the easiest thing in the world to do...you are rich, a house in the hills, with a pool, etc...

Take out an add in a major NYC newspaper asking for WITNESSES TO THE PLANES HITTING THE WTCs ON 9/11 to call you.

TAM

16th June 2007, 04:22 PM	#82
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 This thread is about debunking Mackey. Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ. Perhaps we should take TAM's advice and wait until Mackey shows up and has something to say for himself. Well, since Mr Mackey has said you are on his ignore list because of your complete lunacy, I think we'll be waiting a long time.
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16th June 2007, 04:28 PM	#83
Mr. Skinny Alien Cryogenic Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 8,192	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Where's Ryan Mackey? People with professional jobs sometimes have to travel in performance of said job, sometimes for as long as a week or more. Then, when they return home, they have personal affairs to attend to that don't necessarily include replying to CT's on internet forums at the top of their list of priorities. I'm sure you understand.
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16th June 2007, 04:49 PM	#85
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,584	I'm interested in knowing if TS will indeed go through with his offer to create his own aircraft video fakery to see if it will pass the test of the eagle-eyed folks around here. If nothing else, if he attempts to create such a video he'll get an idea of how complicated and time consuming it can be.
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16th June 2007, 06:52 PM	#86
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	I will.
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16th June 2007, 06:57 PM	#87
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,584	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 I will. I'll be interested in seeing your results, but bear in mind the resolution caveat I mentioned earlier. Personally, I'd like to see a video that's playable at a default size of at least 640x480, and preferrably 800x600.
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16th June 2007, 04:22 PM	#81
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,098	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ. The article says no such thing. Meanwhile... Originally Posted by WildCat Where is your post regarding the thousands of people who saw the planes hit the towers with their own eyes?

16th June 2007, 04:43 PM	#84
T.A.M. Keeper of the Kool-Vax Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Far East...of Canada Posts: 20,816	And since when did any thread become about debunking a particular person, rather than a theory. TAM

16th June 2007, 07:11 PM	#88
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by calebprime I volunteer to be on the distinguished panel of judges. I have a Masters in Riffology. Was that you in that video? That guitarist--he have fast hands! Dam! (DJJ) No, This is me The guy in the vid (and my avatar) is the late great Dimebag Darrell Abbott. By th eway Ace, that Les Paul is tuned down to Drop - Cb at all times. Anytime you wanna match musical wits, holla at ya boy.
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16th June 2007, 07:14 PM	#89
cloudshipsrule Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,171	Off topic: Unsecured Coins, What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot?

16th June 2007, 07:19 PM	#90
quixotecoyote Howling to glory I go Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9,621	The really interesting thing is that the article is not condeming television/cable news media. It's warning about misleading videos posted on the internet. Know of any of those? Quote: Even cool heads like Pike, however, concede that the media’s fortress of skepticism has an Achilles heel: the Internet. “The issue is not so much your ability to get fake video on CNN, but to get it online,” he says. That’s because so much Internet content is unfiltered.
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16th June 2007, 07:29 PM	#91
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule Off topic: Unsecured Coins, What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot? I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about
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16th June 2007, 07:37 PM	#92
Arkan_Wolfshade Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Making Mytheon come to life Posts: 7,158	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 This thread is about debunking Mackey. Mackey says that video insertion technology is beyond technological limitations. The article linked in the OP begs to differ. Perhaps we should take TAM's advice and wait until Mackey shows up and has something to say for himself. Maybe you should have PM'ed him instead of being a
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16th June 2007, 07:37 PM	#93
cloudshipsrule Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,171	Quote: I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about NWO stuff, huh?

16th June 2007, 07:49 PM	#94
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule NWO stuff, huh? indeed
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16th June 2007, 07:50 PM	#95
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins I really have no idea. The picture was taken at my in-laws and it was always in the corner. It was just one of those things I just never asked about NO ONE dare ask about their in laws Ironic breeze units.
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16th June 2007, 08:14 PM	#96
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins No, This is me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ndBullseye.jpg The guy in the vid (and my avatar) is the late great Dimebag Darrell Abbott. By th eway Ace, that Les Paul is tuned down to Drop - Cb at all times. Anytime you wanna match musical wits, holla at ya boy. C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B. Love low tunings. That's really low though. Must use fatter strings, I'm guessing. You should maybe just get a baritone guitar. Match musical wits? Sounds intriguing, but, whatever do you mean?
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16th June 2007, 08:21 PM	#97
D'rok Free Barbarian on The Land Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 6,237	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B. As CT Forum lurker, I have to say.....nice one Ace! It's not often you get a legitimate jab in. Point scored. ....back to loony-land you go.
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16th June 2007, 08:26 PM	#98
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	ZZZZZZZZZ. For the zillionth time. I'm not aware of any "thousands" of people who say they saw planes. I'm not aware of any "hundreds" of people who say they saw planes. I've seen published statements from around 15 or so individuals who say they saw plane(s), and most of them work for the mainstream media. If anyone wants to provide links to "thousands" or "hundreds" or even "dozens" of individuals who say they saw planes, I'll be happy to look. I'm not going to accept anyone's word on this without evidence. Evidence, please.
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16th June 2007, 08:41 PM	#99
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 C flat? Round these parts we usually just call that B. Love low tunings. That's really low though. Must use fatter strings, I'm guessing. You should maybe just get a baritone guitar. Match musical wits? Sounds intriguing, but, whatever do you mean? Woo!! so he DOES pay attention. I use 10-56's on everything, but I have been known to go up to a 70 if I need to. I don't need a baritone, but if I do, I'll use my 1972 ES-335. (note - I am a collector) But as far as musical wits go, how did I know you weren't going to get that reference, or... "have you forgotten" already?
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16th June 2007, 08:50 PM	#100
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins Woo!! so he DOES pay attention. I use 10-56's on everything, but I have been known to go up to a 70 if I need to. I don't need a baritone, but if I do, I'll use my 1972 ES-335. (note - I am a collector) But as far as musical wits go, how did I know you weren't going to get that reference, or... "have you forgotten" already? I must've forgotten. Perhaps a few memory cells were "Blown to Kingdom Come". Do remind me.
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16th June 2007, 08:55 PM	#101
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 I must've forgotten. Perhaps a few memory cells were "Blown to Kingdom Come". Do remind me. I'm saying you couldn't write an original song to save your life. How about that?
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16th June 2007, 09:00 PM	#102
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,523	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ZZZZZZZZZ. For the zillionth time. I'm not aware of any "thousands" of people who say they saw planes. I'm not aware of any "hundreds" of people who say they saw planes. I've seen published statements from around 15 or so individuals who say they saw plane(s), and most of them work for the mainstream media. If anyone wants to provide links to "thousands" or "hundreds" or even "dozens" of individuals who say they saw planes, I'll be happy to look. I'm not going to accept anyone's word on this without evidence. Evidence, please. Ace, let's try this again, okay? We've done it once before but we'll do it a step at a time. I saw the plane hit. I was in a building in Jersey City (Exchange Place) with a picture window view of the towers. I was with a minimum of twenty people in my section of our offices, and I later learned that there were another seventy in the conference room and other executive offices. All of us were staring at the conflagration of WTC1 and heard the second plane approaching AND THEN WITNESSED IT CRASHING INTO THE TOWER. This was ONE FLOOR of a ~35 floor building (not sure of the exact floors)... so in that building alone there were probably a thousand people who witnessed it. There are about five such towers around that area with equally direct views of the WTC and WFC complex. Add another 5000. Additionally, there were thousands of people down on the boardwalk and pier watching the events. And this was one city, Jersey City. All up the western shore of the Hudson, there were tens of thousands of people in buildings and along the waterfront watching WTC 1 burn, and a large percentage of those saw the Boeing slam into and through the building. The best views were from Liberty Park (Southern end of Jersey City) up to around the Holand Tunnel. And that was just on the Jersey side. (I suspect far more people on our side of the river had a clear view. Manhattan is crowded with buildings and skyscrapers, and there were noises on the ground so people looking at #1 wouldn't have necessarily heard the jet approaching like we did.) So, .... "tens of thousands" is a fair estimation. Why haven't you read our statements? Well, you've read mine, but you might be surprised to know that the FBI did not go out and interview 10,000 people to ask if we saw a plane hitting WTC 2. Therefore we're not a part of the record. Please cite me the statistics for the number of people, on record, who witnessed the Challenger disaster. Everyone saw the Challenger explode, live on television. Everyone saw 175 hit WTC 2, live on television. Why would they go around interviewing eyewitnesses to compile a mass of data in the expectation that some frustrated loon would demand the evidence seven years later? > Swingdangler.... Ya know, I was a little distracted and didn't think to look at the tail fin to get a number!
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16th June 2007, 09:13 PM	#103
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins I'm saying you couldn't write an original song to save your life. How about that? Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music. You?
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16th June 2007, 09:19 PM	#104
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,902	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music. You? I wonder how much better you would do if you were not such a poor researcher. You did not make money off of research on 9/11, or are you selling lies like LC? All that money and still not able to think and be rational, as in Beam Weapon, dustified WTC etc. Just goes to show you do not need to be rational or logical to make money. Making up lies does not impede the ability to make money. I bet there is a song in there somewhere. As agents we know you use to play for cookies, and you should stick to playing and drop the critical thinking research gig (or is that your cover story?).
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16th June 2007, 09:26 PM	#105
Unsecured Coins Hoku-maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: in your macaronis. warming my feets Posts: 5,741	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music. You? Me? I move every 2-3 years because my military duty doesn't allow for long term residential status. I never sign a lease for more than a year at a time because God knows when I'll have to pack up my wife and kid, 2 cats and my bird, and my more expensive guitars into one of my 2 obnoxiously large SUV's going to our next station. I am by no means "rich" but I do have alot of stuff I don't need that I refuse to share with anybody. Of course, I do retire in 6 and a half years as to make good on my promise to die a happy man on a golf course somewhere out in the middle of nowhere at the ripe old age of 37 (age of retirement, not death. insha allah). That's why guitar playing is more of a hobby to me than a source of income, even though I have played with the likes of Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Nick Catanese (of Black Label Society), PumpJack, Brand New Sin, and Bullistic, to name a few.
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16th June 2007, 09:27 PM	#106
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Oh, OK. Well, all I can say is I've got some people fooled! I've got around 500 published titles, and I provide for my family quite comfortably, we own a home in the hills, with a pool, and a recording studio, living in a very expensive city, and all from writing original music. You? McDonald's makes billions. does not mean their "food" is good for you or nutritious. So you write pulp crap thats gobbled up by the masses. doesn't mean its original or artistic.
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16th June 2007, 10:10 PM	#108
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Originally Posted by Unsecured Coins Me? I move every 2-3 years because my military duty doesn't allow for long term residential status. I never sign a lease for more than a year at a time because God knows when I'll have to pack up my wife and kid, 2 cats and my bird, and my more expensive guitars into one of my 2 obnoxiously large SUV's going to our next station. I am by no means "rich" but I do have alot of stuff I don't need that I refuse to share with anybody. Of course, I do retire in 6 and a half years as to make good on my promise to die a happy man on a golf course somewhere out in the middle of nowhere at the ripe old age of 37 (age of retirement, not death. insha allah). That's why guitar playing is more of a hobby to me than a source of income, even though I have played with the likes of Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Nick Catanese (of Black Label Society), PumpJack, Brand New Sin, and Bullistic, to name a few. Dude, you probably shred. You're probably great. Rock on.
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16th June 2007, 10:26 PM	#109
TruthSeeker1234 Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,756	Guys, I readily admit that IF planes had crashed into the WTC, THEN they would have been seen by thousands. I've been to NYC many times, and it's nothing if not chock full of humanity. But the videos are fake, the planes display no crash physics, you've got a nose coming out of a building, you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen, you've got two different stations that fade to black as the plane hits, there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes, there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted, and. . . There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media. Ron, you can call me insane a thousand more times. Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least.
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16th June 2007, 11:00 PM	#110
Zep Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 26,985	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Guys, I readily admit that IF planes had crashed into the WTC, THEN they would have been seen by thousands. I've been to NYC many times, and it's nothing if not chock full of humanity. But the videos are fake, the planes display no crash physics, you've got a nose coming out of a building, you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen, you've got two different stations that fade to black as the plane hits, there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes, there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted, and. . . There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media. Ron, you can call me insane a thousand more times. Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least. Nope. Next!
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16th June 2007, 11:30 PM	#111
The Mysterian Scholar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 73	I think I see a picture of The Devil in that one shot on the left! Cool! molten-steel-9-52-51-amcutout.jpg Originally Posted by Swing Dangler Is this really a picture of the North face of WTC 2 where the nose cone emerged?
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16th June 2007, 11:36 PM	#112
NeoRicen Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 444	TS, If you do this thing where you make a fake video and a real one and have us guess, you CANNOT use anything that wasn't available in 2001 and you have to do it in the same time period from 9/11 to when the video was released. PS: No nose came out the other *ing side of the building, it's called an explosion and if you saw past the first couple of *ing frames you'd see that, it's not even the same shape as the nose of the plane you nut.
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16th June 2007, 11:40 PM	#113
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,098	Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule Off topic: Unsecured Coins, What is that unit beside you in the picture? Air purifier, vacuum motor or robot? [frank] It's a Telefunken U47. [/zappa]

16th June 2007, 11:47 PM	#114
Arus808 Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,202	add to that my aunt, uncle and cousin who saw 175 hit that south tower.... again ace, is grasping at straws. we should stop arguing with a true life lunatic.
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16th June 2007, 11:57 PM	#115
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Knob Hill. Posts: 9,086	Ace says he knows that NYC is crowded with people, many of whom must have seen these horrific events. Yet he still contends that no plane hit the towers. Here's my question for Ace: If no plane hit the towers, why haven't thousands of people come forward in the last 5 years saying that all the videos are fake? As far as I can tell it's only people like you who weren't there that say this. Where are the people who were there that agree with you? These people would mostly be New Yorkers and people from New Jersey, who as far as I'm aware, don't have a reputation for being shy about expressing their opinions. How about it Ace, heard of any witnesses that saw the buildings explode by means other than a bloody great aeroplane?
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17th June 2007, 12:26 AM	#116
Corsair 115 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 8,584	Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 But the videos are fake... You have not conclusively demonstrated that on any of the forty-plus angles available. You tried to do so with one particular live image, but there were errors in your procedures and methodology, as was pointed out in the relevant thread. Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...the planes display no crash physics... In what way? It all looks spot-on to me. And this comes from somone who can spot visual effect shots precisely because they don't exhibit the proper subtleties of motion and the related physics. Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...you've got a nose coming out of a building No, you've got something you're claiming in the undamaged nose section of the aircraft coming out of the building. You have not conclusively demonstrated your assertion, and the possibility that it is merely debris which looks like that has not been discounted. Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...you've got CNN covering up the replay with a logo that takes up 1/3 of the screen... Station/network ID "bugs" as they are sometimes called? (Please don't get me started on a rant about the darned things.) You can see those things everywhere now, and all the time. Nothing unusual about it at all. Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...there are eyewitnesses who say there was no planes This is a miscategorization of their statements. They don't say there were no planes, they say they didn't see the aircraft because they didn't look beforehand or their viewing angle was blocked. Not seeing the aircraft is not the same thing as saying there were no aircraft. Asky them if they heard the aircraft - jet engines are quite loud and even in a busy, crowded city such noise would be heard. (Look no further than the Naudet brothers' video of the first impact - you can clearly hear the jet engines, and the firefighters react by looking upwards towards the sound before the first impact takes place.) Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...there's no wreckage except for stuff that was provably planted... There most certainly was wreckage; have you forgotten the story of the woman who was injured by part of the landing gear? As for planting wreckage, you have provided absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim. Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...There is a distinct dearth of eyewitnesses who say they saw planes. No, if there is a dearth it is of those who told their accounts to the media. Do you seriously expect the media to track down and interview every single potential witness in a city of millions? Do you seriously expect every single potential eyewitness in a city of millions to be found and interviewed by law enforcement authorities? What you are claiming is like saying because every one of the 55,000 people who attended Saturday's Mets vs. Yankees baseball game were not interviewed by the media or otherwise had their eyewitness account of the game recorded, the baseball game therefore did not take place. This in spite of the video evidence of the game having been played. This in spite of the supporting documentary and other evidence of the game having been played. No, you are saying because documented accounts cannot be found from all of the 55,000 spectators, the game therefore didn't take place - all other supporting evidence be damned. This does not strike you as being an argument bordering on the completely ludicrous? Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 ...And it just so happens that most of the folks who did go on TV and saw planes, just happen to work for the media. And what about all the media from other countries who were there covering the story? The CBC, CTV, BBC, just to name three television networks, along with many, many more. New York is a major world city, and a great many media outlets have reporters or bureaus there. Should I presume then that all the media of the world was in cahoots to cover up the truth? Originally Posted by TruthSeeker1234 Your "evidence" is underwhelming to say the least. No, the only thing that's underwhelming are your attempts to discredit the official version of events. You have failed to conclusively demonstrate even one thing significantly wrong with it. Your claims of fakery and supposedly impossible physics are the product of misunderstanding of how things really work. You also make the error of not heeding or considering the merits of points others have made to you; your greater error though is in assuming your conclusion is correct and then seeing only what you want to believe. I am now very eagerly awaiting your faked aircraft video. I am quite interested in seeing what you think can pass as realistic compared to those of us with more experience in the area think can pass as realistic.
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