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anthropomorphic ape
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Help create a JREF recommended science books list?
just an idea - perhaps it's been tried before....
basically a grouping together of the best, most accessible books to introduce layfolk to different scientific fields as a kind of rough and ready outline there could be General science - books that take in the whole lot, either as reference [like Pears?] or as overview [Bill Bryson A short History?] and then more specific areas of interest - [for example] Cosmology Evolutionary biology Psychology etc etc. If we can get any kind of consensus, then a recommended list [perhaps with review, further reading etc] could be compiled.... i guess i'll see how the thread develops, to see if this is feasible or not....
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It's quite new but that's the sort of thing we're doing here: http://www.ukskeptics.com/reviewed_books.php |
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Muse
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Yes the book reviews are (or will be - it's only just started) written by us.
We've teamed up with a company that sells (mostly) Prometheus books so we get all the good stuff. ![]() It should build up to be a nice little resource for skeptics over time. |
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A post by Alan Smithee
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Might as well get a couple of the obvious out of the way.
Cosmos by Sagan (general) Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Sagan (evolutionary biology) Selfish Gene, River Out of Eden, Ancestor's Tale by Dawkins (evolutionary biology) Guns, Germs and Steel by Diamond (general{anthropology}) |
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Taner Edis has been working with CSICOP to maintain a Skeptic's Bibliography since the 1980s.
Submissions and book reviews are always welcome. I would also investigate whether the JREF would volunteer to make the index available for their extensive on-site library. |
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Demon Haunted World - Sagan
The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat (Neroscience) Dead Men do tell Tales - Maples Nibbling on Einstein's Brain (Childrens) Sawnson Pale Blue Dot - Sagan The Lady Tasting Tea - Salsburg (Statistics) Mauve - Garfield Longitude - Sobel Flu - Kolata Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology - Feder Billions and Billions - Sagan Awakenings - Sacks The Boy who could not stop Washing - Rapopart Sputnik - Dickson These are most of the science books that helped me understand the world better. I have a lot more books but haven't really read them, just browsed them. Several/Most of these books I use when thinking or explaining new things. The neurology books are used whenever someone tells me they "sense" god or the know because they "saw" it. I love books that explain the history of events or life, such as Flu, Sputnik, Mauve, The Lady Tasting Tea, and Longitude. Hope this helps Susan |
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Illuminator
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Gould's The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, anyone?
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anthropomorphic ape
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cool - some good suggestions/ideas so far -
two of my favourites Dawkins' Selfish Gene Greene's Fabric of the Cosmos |
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Some that were enormously influential to me:
Atom by Issac Asimov. That book triggered several "Oh! Now I get it" moments for me. Broca's Brain . & The Dragons of Eden Both by Carl Sagan. These (along with Cosmos) really opened my eyes to the sense of wonder and emotional fulfillment that could be gained through science. The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins. I already had a sound understanding of evolutionary theory before reading it but after reading it I understood it in so much more detail. |
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Someone said Awakenings by Sacks and I agree that's good for neurology.
Phantoms in the Brain is also good with some simple neurology. |
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Does anyone think a selection of books on the history or philosophy of science would be useful for this effort? If so, I have some good suggestions appropriate for a general audience.
Also, does mathematics count? |
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Illuminator
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OK then.
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Penultimate Amazing
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On the history/science interface, The Day The Universe Changed by the incomparable James Burke.
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene is probably the best one for physics and stuff. Its sequel, Fabric of the Cosmos is pretty good, too.
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Official Nemesis
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The Song of the Dodo - David Quammen
Chaos - James Gleick Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea - Charles Seife Measuring America - Andro Linklater I know the last one will be pretty obscure to most people. It is a history of science text on surveying in the US, but it touches on economics, mathematics, and, most importantly, how to devise and select a system of weights and measures, and why the US ended up with the set we use today. |
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Two books that changed the way I see the world around me:
Salt by Mark Kurlansky - Imagine if everything you think you know about history is just a thin film over the real forces that drive mankind. One of those forces might just be something you would never expect. The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan - What do you eat when you can eat anything? And why do you eat it? You probably don't know as much about what's on your plate as you should. and if we ever get a fiction section, I always liked The Stainless Steel Rat series by Harry Harrison. |
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A post by Alan Smithee
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Seconded and I'd like to add Connections in the general science category because it's a great example of how one discovery leads to another.
I'd also add one to the evolution list because it gives a frustrating, supportive and fascinating perspective on the Creation v. Evolution debate What does it mean to be 98% Chimpanzee by Jonathan Marks. Along that line, while I haven't read them, I recommend The Naked Ape and The Human Animal by Desmond Morris. |
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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I'd reccomend pretty much anything written by John Gribbin especially:
Deep Simplicity (Chaos, complexity etc) In Search of Schrodingers Cat (Quantum Physics) The Birth of Time (Cosmology and age of universe) The Fellowship (History of science in the Royal society) And many others. I'd also add: - Feynman's 6 Easy Pieces - Hawking's A brief history of time - Dawkin's Unweaving the Rainbow And a random one which is great for the lay person: Coincidences, Chaos, and all that Math Jazz by Edward Burger & Michael Starbird. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Remember his SciAm columns? Always the first page I flicked to. (Nowadays it's Shermer's Skeptic page, no surprises there
. Always followed by 50/100/150 Years Ago.) My two great loves are History and Science, in that order but only if I'm forced to choose. So as far as I'm concerned, James Burke is The Man.He also covered the Moon landings for the BBC. An iconic figure.
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Steve Jones: The Language of the Genes and Almost Like a Whale.
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David Quammen is sort of like Bill Bryson, in that he was a writer before he started focusing on science writing. He has put out several collections of essays, as well as another excellent science book, Monster of God: The Man-Eating Predator in the Jungles of History and the Mind. I am interested in reading the statistics book you listed. Do you know the original publication date? I am hoping my local library has it. |
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One of my favourites:
Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott |
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Penultimate Amazing
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That sounds good, I'll look out for it.
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Appreciate all the input, I think I'll order them all on amazon and have me a nice book binge.
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anthropomorphic ape
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cool - lot's of good suggestions!
Now, to start grouping the list together, perhaps, 1-3 key recommended books for each subject - the best possible introduction(s) to a given topic, given with a list of follow up reading.... and to petition Darat for a sticky
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Not sure how to categorize it, but Goedel, Escher and Bach by Hofstadter is a beautiful book just about thinking and draws together mathematics, art and music...and humor. It should be on every skeptics bookshelf.
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anthropomorphic ape
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I think there's got to be scope to split the sciences to some degree
eg. ecology, zoology, human biology, genetics - and maybe have recommended books in each area, but equally some topics like evolutionary biology do take in strands from each area - so perhaps a book on evolutionary biology would serve as a good first recommendation....which could then be backed up with further more specific reading.... whatever people think really
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Perhaps Carol Ann Rinzler's Dictionary of Medical Folklore? It's been some time since I browsed through it the last time, but if I recall correctly, it's a quite decent and above all brief and witty book on what "old wives' tales" and folk remedies are useful, and which are not. I should perhaps read it through again before fully endorsing it, though.
EDIT: And perhaps Brusca and Brusca's Invertebrates, to get a good and solid understanding that animals, in general, do not have spines. I don't really know how accessible this book is to people who aren't interested in zoology, though. |
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ok....a start;
Astromony/cosmology Cosmos by Sagan fabric of the Cosmos/Elegant Universe by Greene Parrellel worlds by Kaku The Birth of Time Gribbins Physics Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott Feynman's 6 Easy Pieces Atom by Issac Asimov. David Bohm's Wholeness and the Implicate Order Deep Simplicity Gribbins In Search of Schrodingers Cat Gribbins Evolutionary biology Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Sagan Selfish Gene, River Out of Eden, Ancestor's Tale, Blind watchmaker by Dawkins What does it mean to be 98% Chimpanzee by Jonathan Marks. The Naked Ape and The Human Animal by Desmond Morris. Stephen Jay Gould Biology Steve Jones: The Language of the Genes and Almost Like a Whale. Brusca and Brusca's Invertebrates The Song of the Dodo - David Quammen The mismeasure of man Gould Neuroscience The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat Sacks Phantoms in the Brain VS Ramachandran General medical Awakenings - Sacks The Boy who could not stop Washing - Rapopart Flu - Kolata Carol Ann Rinzler's Dictionary of Medical Folklore Maths The Lady Tasting Tea - Salsburg (Statistics) Stewart Shapiro's Thinking About Mathematics Chaos - James Gleick Goedel, Escher and Bach by Hofstadter Coincidences, Chaos, and all that Math Jazz by Edward Burger & Michael Starbird. How To Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff. General Science/history of science David C. Lindberg's The Beginnings of Western Science Edward Grant's The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everthing Grant & Olson's Science & Religion (Johns Hopkins UP 2004) in two volumes (From Aristotle to Copernicus and From Copernicus to Darwin) The Day The Universe Changed by the incomparable James Burke. Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea - Charles Seife Steven Shapin's The Scientific Revolution (U of Chicago P 1996) Measuring America - Andro Linklater Salt by Mark Kurlansky The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan The Fellowship (History of science in the Royal society) Gribbins David Quammen Monster of God: The Man-Eating Predator in the Jungles of History and the Mind. Connections ?? Scepticism and science Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology - Feder Broca's Brain Sagan anthroplogy/archeology Guns, Germs and Steel by Diamond The prehistory of the mind S Mithen Psychology The Happiness Hypothesis Haidt Leftovers as i've had enough of categorising.....will do later Demon Haunted World - Sagan Dead Men do tell Tales - Maples Nibbling on Einstein's Brain (Childrens) Sawnson Pale Blue Dot - Sagan Mauve - Garfield Longitude - Sobel Billions and Billions - Sagan Sputnik - Dickson Now this is only a rough draft - i've only read a fraction of these books, so please let me know if they need recategorising....the history of science/general science needs splitting - and we need some chemisty/geology/geography/computing! |
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Astromony/cosmology
Cosmos by Sagan Pale Blue Dot - Sagan fabric of the Cosmos/Elegant Universe by Greene Parrellel worlds by Kaku The Birth of Time Gribbins Physics Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott Feynman's 6 Easy Pieces Atom by Issac Asimov. David Bohm's Wholeness and the Implicate Order Deep Simplicity Gribbins In Search of Schrodingers Cat Gribbins Evolutionary biology Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors by Sagan Selfish Gene, River Out of Eden, Ancestor's Tale, Blind watchmaker by Dawkins Stephen Jay Gould Biology The Naked Ape and The Human Animal by Desmond Morris. Steve Jones: The Language of the Genes and Almost Like a Whale. Brusca and Brusca's Invertebrates The Song of the Dodo - David Quammen The mismeasure of man Gould Neuroscience The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat Sacks Phantoms in the Brain VS Ramachandran General medical Awakenings - Sacks The Boy who could not stop Washing - Rapopart Flu - Kolata Carol Ann Rinzler's Dictionary of Medical Folklore Maths The Lady Tasting Tea - Salsburg (Statistics) Stewart Shapiro's Thinking About Mathematics Chaos - James Gleick Goedel, Escher and Bach by Hofstadter Coincidences, Chaos, and all that Math Jazz by Edward Burger & Michael Starbird. How To Lie With Statistics by Darrell Huff. General Science history David C. Lindberg's The Beginnings of Western Science Edward Grant's The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everthing Steven Shapin's The Scientific Revolution Grant & Olson's Science & Religion (Johns Hopkins UP 2004) in two volumes (From Aristotle to Copernicus and From Copernicus to Darwin) Specific science histories The Day The Universe Changed James Burke. Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea - Charles Seife Longitude - Sobel Measuring America - Andro Linklater Mauve - Garfield Salt by Mark Kurlansky The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan The Fellowship (History of science in the Royal society) Gribbins David Quammen Monster of God: The Man-Eating Predator in the Jungles of History and the Mind. Billions and Billions - Sagan Connections ?? Sputnik - Dickson Scepticism and science Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology - Feder Demon Haunted World - Sagan Tricks of the Mind Derren Brown Broca's Brain Sagan anthroplogy/archeology Guns, Germs and Steel by Diamond Dead Men do tell Tales - Maples The prehistory of the mind S Mithen Psychology The Happiness Hypothesis Haidt with some links to Amazon added....if anyone wishes to add some more links i would be mucho grateful
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Cosmology:
Black Holes and Time Warps: Einsteinīs Outreageous Legacy - Kip S. Thorne That is a GREAT book. I donīt know, which cathegory this next one goes. The most authoritative Einstein biography, a must read for any non-physicist to understand Einsteinīs main works, and exactly what General Relativity really was for physics (the title is totally misleading): Subtle Is the Lord: The Science and the Life of Albert Einstein - Abraham Pais |
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Mathematics:
A History of Mathematics - Carl Boyer For everyone from the high school curious to the Nobel Prize winner. Classics will be classics... |
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