Correcting vision by 0.25 dioptries a day...

[bratok]

...would you consider this supernatural?
I've heard of one health program that is, as claimed, based on some knowlege and exercises of anchient Sufies. While this program is supposed to make one healthy from all deseases, it is very effective in correcting vision. With simple eye-exercises one can get about 0.25 dioptries a day.

Like if someone has his vision -3.5 , it would take him only two weeks to correct it .

I saw it work with my own eyes and I do know lots of people who became healthy by this program. Would you consider any of this supernatural or something?


Thanx!

[Darat]

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Originally posted by bratok
...would you consider this supernatural?
I've heard of one health program that is, as claimed, based on some knowlege and exercises of anchient Sufies. While this program is supposed to make one healthy from all deseases, it is very effective in correcting vision. With simple eye-exercises one can get about 0.25 dioptries a day.

Like if someone has his vision -3.5 , it would take him only two weeks to correct it .

I saw it work with my own eyes and I do know lots of people who became healthy by this program. Would you consider any of this supernatural or something?


Thanx!

No idea, what is the claim for the "program"?

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

And when people "became healthy," what illnesses did they overcome?

~~ Paul

[bratok]

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And when people "became healthy," what illnesses did they overcome?

All sorts of, even ones that are considered uncurable by modern medicine. It is more based one makeing the whole body healthy, then just getting rid of a certain diagnosis.

[Nucular]

Gosh, well thank goodness the practitioners are keeping it a relative secret. We wouldn't want something that effective to get out, would we? [/sarcasm]

Regardless of the emphasis on general health, there are potentially very solid and testable predictions there. Care for a million dollars? I think curing diseases thought to be uncurable through an ancient eastern mystical practice would qualify.

As for the vision thing - it might not qualify for the prize, as you mentioned it's just based on exercises, but if curing short or long sight through exercises is possible, you people who know about it have a duty to bring it into the mainstream, through scientific testing which, with such a dramatic effect, would be very easy to do.

And hurry! [/squinting]

[Jeff Corey]

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Originally posted by bratok
...would you consider this supernatural?
I've heard of one health program that is, as claimed, based on some knowlege and exercises of anchient Sufies. While this program is supposed to make one healthy from all deseases, it is very effective in correcting vision. With simple eye-exercises one can get about 0.25 dioptries a day.

Like if someone has his vision -3.5 , it would take him only two weeks to correct it .

I saw it work with my own eyes and I do know lots of people who became healthy by this program. Would you consider any of this supernatural or something?


Thanx!

The claims: some undisclosed method "makes one healthy from all diseases" and "is very effective in correcting vision."
My Clausian questions: What method? What diseases? What proof?
Please provide answers.

[Nucular]

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Originally posted by bratok
I saw it work with my own eyes and I do know lots of people who became healthy by this program.

This isn't evidence in itself.

[bratok]

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I think curing diseases thought to be uncurable through an ancient eastern mystical practice would qualify.

It isn't that someone is curing a patient, who seats without doing a thing. The patient is teached what exercises to do, what feeling to cause in his body, etc. to cure himself.

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We wouldn't want something that effective to get out, would we?

If there are about 285 million people living in the US ( if I'm not misstaken with the statistics ) and at least 20% of them need glasses and spend 100$ on them every year, then it would be at least 5.7 billions for the glass-industry every year. Plus contact lenses, eye surgery, etc., etc.

Now imagine, are they interested in a program being revealed, that would make everybody's vision perfect?

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if curing short or long sight through exercises is possible, you people who know about it have a duty to bring it into the mainstream...

If you want, I can place this exercises here. But they'd be auto-translated from Russian.


Thanx

[Nucular]

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Originally posted by bratok
If there are about 285 million people living in the US ( if I'm not misstaken with the statistics ) and at least 20% of them need glasses and spend 100$ on them every year, then it would be at least 5.7 billions for the glass-industry every year. Plus contact lenses, eye surgery, etc., etc.

Now imagine, are they interested in a program being revealed, that would make everybody's vision perfect?

Heh, a Conspiracy, I knew it! Darn opthalmologists, with their secret societies and special handshakes, I knew they were up to something!

Sorry. It's just that they wouldn't have control over this stuff if it did 'get out' - there would be independent, open scientific testing.

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If you want, I can place this exercises here. But they'd be auto-translated from Russian.

I'd quite like to see them actually, thanks.

[bratok]

Ok, here it goes. You can use this translator ( http://www.translate.ru/srvurl.asp?lang=en ) or any other. Set it to "Russian-English" and copy & past there this link -
http://fro196.narod.ru/health/norbek...ience/exp4.htm

Or if you want to read the whole book.
http://fro196.narod.ru/health/norbek...ce/content.htm


WARNING:
There might be an exercise during which you'll have to create a warm/hot feeling somewhere in your body and move it around... remamber NEVER move this feeling close to or into your heart or brain.


Good Luck!

[Michael Redman]

I think we were recently discussing the lack of such posts . . .

[KelvinG]

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Originally posted by bratok

WARNING:
There might be an exercise during which you'll have to create a warm/hot feeling somewhere in your body and move it around... remamber NEVER move this feeling close to or into your heart or brain.

Yes, I personally know a guy who did these exercises and moved the warm/hot feeling close to his brain and his head exploded.

True story.

[bratok]

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Originally posted by KelvinG
Yes, I personally know a guy who did these exercises and moved the warm/hot feeling close to his brain and his head exploded.
True story.

And I know a guy who made this hot feeling to his heart, the rate accelerated to about 85 and stayed so for a few days.
Also a true story...

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I think we were recently discussing the lack of such posts . . .

Oh, could you give a link to that topic?


Thanx

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I knew those New Age cures aren't safe. Especially when conspiracy theories are involved. In Russia.

~~ Paul

[Jeff Corey]

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Originally posted by bratok

WARNING:
There might be an exercise during which you'll have to create a warm/hot feeling somewhere in your body and move it around... remamber NEVER move this feeling close to or into your heart or brain.

I knew a guy whose brother-in-law's friend did those exercises and his alimentary canal inverted itself.
True story.

[BPSCG]

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Originally posted by bratok
Set it to "Russian-English" and copy & past there this link -
http://fro196.narod.ru/health/norbek...ience/exp4.htm
Or if you want to read the whole book.
http://fro196.narod.ru/health/norbek...ce/content.htm

Okay, I went to the URL above and copied/pasted as much of it into Babelfish as Babelfish would take, and here's what I got:

" Exercises for the eyes In the east there is an ancient method of diagnostics of diseases on the motion of eyes, not on the irridescent shell, namely on the motion of eyeballs. For example, specialist does request you to?narisovat'?by eyes circle/circumference looks, as you make. It does occur, depending on disease, the eyes do begin to somewhere?srezat'?angles, line is uneven.this again confirms that everything in our organism is interrelated and is interdepended. But person himself cannot trace the correctness of the motion of eyes; therefore ask someone of the relatives to help you. Carrying out exercises for the eyes correctly, we not only train/age muscles, but also mediated we work with the unhealthy organs/controls. Thus, follow the fact so that during the execution of the exercises of the motion of the eyes it is clear of?risovali?the lines indicated.We approach! From what we do begin any work on ourselves?You remember? But well- kA, straighten arms.At first accept?myshechnyy corset?.What for this is necessary?It is correct!To straighten back and to stretch smile to the ears.Then to inside artificially cause positive emotions.How?You this already know!They did make? But now it is possible to begin to carry out exercises.Only do not forget to blink! 1. head hold directly, do not throw back.View is directed upward (into the ceiling), and we mentally continue the motion of eyes under the skull to the top, as if you there looked. 2. A now of eye downward, and attention into the region of the thyroid gland, as if you glanced there, where our throat. 3. they looked to the left:eyes look at the wall, and attention left for the left ear/eye. 4. they looked to the right:eyes look at another wall, and attention left for the right ear/eye. Why it is important with the fulfillment of these, it seemed, familiar exercises to continue the motion of eyes at the mental level? Even in the ancient times in the east it was known that in the region of top is located the enormous beam of energy channels, and at the external edge of eyes?the centers, connected/bonded with the bilious ducts. Therefore, mentally continuing the motion of eyes, for example, for the ear/eye, we thus influence the bilious ducts and the liver.Eyes?this of the window of the liver.4 not randomly I speak about this. After external simplicity of all exercises for the restoration/reduction of sight lies the deep sense, which exits by roots to the antiquity. But, as in everything, here it is also necessary to remember about safety engineering.Do not overdo it.Any overvoltage in the work with the eyes leads to the opposite result. This is why here again I want to focus your attention on weakening exercises for eyes described above, which beneficially influence also entire organism as a whole.But first let us work. 5.?Babochka?.Indispensable condition of fulfilling the exercise:head is fixed, we work only by eyes.it must be obtained a maximally possible size/dimension in the limits of face, but muscle of eyeballs in this case do not overstrain, follow the state! View is transferred/translated in this sequence:in the lower left angle, into the upper right angle, into the lower right angle, into the upper left angle. But now vice versa:in the lower right angle, into the upper left angle, into the lower left angle, into the upper right angle.But now weaken eyes, blink chasto-chasto, easily/readily-easily/readily-.Approximately in the manner that it waves by the wings of motylek.Never squint, never open/disclose eye very widely!All this creates the stress/voltage, which it is contraindicated,! 6.?Vos'merka?.An indispensable condition of fulfilling this exercise is the same as in?Babochke?. But now by eyes smoothly describe horizontal eight or infinity sign of maximum size within the limits of face.To one side several times, and then into another.Blink chasto-chasto, easily/readily-easily/readily-. 7. exercise to the squint. Slanting muscles of eyes here work.It is very effective with the short sightedness.It contributes to the development of the peripheral vision. Special observation:this exercise should be carried out in the calm situation.No one and nothing must you frighten. Look to your tip of the nose, after mowing eyes.Or place before itself finger/pin and look at it without the detachment, gradually drawing it nearer a tip of nose.Eyes refer. After 3t "

Seems the me the field of online translation has a ways to go. Too bad, I was hoping to fix up my lousy eyes and cure all other diseases while I was at it.

Cute cartoons, though.

[bratok]

No, Babelfish sux, so to say.
Better try this http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url...&psubmit2.y=17

Or better get the book, I do believe there also was an English version somewhere.
"Fool's Experience" by M.S. Norbekov.

Good Luck!

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Bratok, perhaps you mean Mirzacarim Norbekov's Experience of the fool or the key to brightness, as mentioned at this multi-level marketing site in Russia:

http://www.stardream.nsk.su/businesseng.htm#MLM

~~ Paul

[Skeptical Greg]

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Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
Bratok, perhaps you mean Mirzacarim Norbekov's Experience of the fool or the key to brightness, as mentioned at this multi-level marketing site in Russia:

http://www.stardream.nsk.su/businesseng.htm#MLM

~~ Paul

That page was a lot of fun...

[bratok]

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Originally posted by Paul C. Anagnostopoulos
Bratok, perhaps you mean Mirzacarim Norbekov's Experience of the fool or the key to brightness, as mentioned at this multi-level marketing site in Russia:
http://www.stardream.nsk.su/businesseng.htm#MLM
~~ Paul

While this site sure is a con-game, or a LOHOTRON as we call it, the book is the one. Only I wan't able to find an English version of it in google. I heard of it being translated about half a year ago... probably it takes longer .

So bare with the autotranslated one .

Here's a link to his English site.
http://www.norbekovusa.com/index.asp?cat=102617


Good Luck!

[Skeptical Greg]

Looks like hair restoration is not part of his program...

[EdipisReks]

i know someone who put the hot feeling on his heart and he got eaten by Cthulhu the next day. true story. he was also a reverse vampire.

[dissonance]

There actually are contact lenses that gradually correct your vision - you wear them at night, and they reshape your cornea or something like that, and during the day your vision is fine.

I'm not sure if it's permanent or quite what. I know the contact lens people at my university were looking for volunteers for an experiment using the new lenses, and I looked into participating, but the whole thing seemed a little too untested for my taste.

[dingler44]

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Originally posted by BPSCG


Okay, I went to the URL above and copied/pasted as much of it into Babelfish as Babelfish would take, and here's what I got:

" Exercises for the eyes In the east there is an ancient method of diagnostics of diseases on the motion of eyes, not on the ...

Look to your tip of the nose, after mowing eyes.Or place before itself finger/pin and look at it without the detachment, gradually drawing it nearer a tip of nose.Eyes refer. After 3t "

Thanks for posting the translation... however the massive paragraph is a little hard on the eyes.

[dingler44]

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Originally posted by bratok
WARNING:
There might be an exercise during which you'll have to create a warm/hot feeling somewhere in your body and move it around... remamber NEVER move this feeling close to or into your heart or brain.

Good Luck! [/b]

Personally I'm not yet very good at controlling this hot feeling. Has anyone been able to successfully move it to their loins? If it's worth the effort, I'll keep trying.

[Soapy Sam]

To keep your loins warm in the desert on a winter night:- Open 25kg bucket of sodium hydroxide.
Add 1 gallon water.
Allow to steam for a minute.
Replace lid (not tightly)
Sit on bucket.

True story.

[Fade]

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Originally posted by EdipisReks
i know someone who put the hot feeling on his heart and he got eaten by Cthulhu the next day. true story. he was also a reverse vampire.

I swear there is some sort of conspiracy going on to insert a simpsons reference into every single thread on the internet.

Then again, The Simpsons has tackled more issues than any other program that I can think of.

[KelvinG]

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Originally posted by bratok

And I know a guy who made this hot feeling to his heart, the rate accelerated to about 85 and stayed so for a few days.
Also a true story...

Well, he should thank his lucky stars that his heart did not explode like my friend's head.

[SquishyDave]

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Originally posted by dissonance
There actually are contact lenses that gradually correct your vision - you wear them at night, and they reshape your cornea or something like that, and during the day your vision is fine.

I'm not sure if it's permanent or quite what. I know the contact lens people at my university were looking for volunteers for an experiment using the new lenses, and I looked into participating, but the whole thing seemed a little too untested for my taste.

It's not permament, you have to wear them every night.

I managed to glean enough information from the text to do the exercises, and I moved the hot spot to my arse. You wouldn't believe what the result was, I cleared a room of people in under ten seconds.
True story.

[BTox]

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Originally posted by bratok

All sorts of, even ones that are considered uncurable by modern medicine. It is more based one makeing the whole body healthy, then just getting rid of a certain diagnosis.

Sounds like homeopathy. Which of course is a fraud and cures nothing. Whatever you have heard is nonsense.

[BTox]

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Originally posted by bratok
...With simple eye-exercises one can get about 0.25 dioptries a day.

Like if someone has his vision -3.5 , it would take him only two weeks to correct it

My vision is -8.5 in one eye and -9.0 in the other. So in 1.5 months I can have perfect vision? And I was getting ready to have lasik done... what a fool I am!

[Jeff Corey]

I'll keep an eye out for you.

[Stormraven]

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Originally posted by BTox


My vision is -8.5 in one eye and -9.0 in the other. So in 1.5 months I can have perfect vision? And I was getting ready to have lasik done... what a fool I am!

Out where I listen, several of the radio stations are airing commercials which claim something similar the 'See Clearly' method.

It's a series of exercises, apparently, that are supposedly able to give the users 20/20 or better vision without surgery or glasses.

I haven't looked deeply into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're similar to the exercises I performed as a child for lazy eye.

[Jeff Corey]

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Originally posted by Stormraven


Out where I listen, several of the radio stations are airing commercials which claim something similar the 'See Clearly' method.

It's a series of exercises, apparently, that are supposedly able to give the users 20/20 or better vision without surgery or glasses.

I haven't looked deeply into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're similar to the exercises I performed as a child for lazy eye.

Ambliopia? Where the eyes don't focus on the same location? It must make stereoscopic vision hard.
I had a form of reading problem caused by my parents reading to me with everything upsidedown.
OHO

[Agammamon]

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Originally posted by bratok
. . .If there are about 285 million people living in the US ( if I'm not misstaken with the statistics ) and at least 20% of them need glasses and spend 100$ on them every year, then it would be at least 5.7 billions for the glass-industry every year. Plus contact lenses, eye surgery, etc., etc.

Now imagine, are they interested in a program being revealed, that would make everybody's vision perfect? . . .

I would like to point out that optomerists may not particularly like this supposed progam, but on the other hand you don't see them going around and murdering ophthalmologist or fire bombing laser eye surgery clinics so if you start crying conspiracy I'm just going to laugh and walk away. As a matter of fact until you subject this set of procedures to a series of peer reviewed studies I'm just going to laugh and walk away.

Speaking of LASIK, I chickened out of eye surgery to correct my "horrible" eyesight. The clinic made the mistake of showing me a video of the procedure. I can't take a glaucoma test due to an uncontrollable flinch reflex and the final scene in "A Clockwork Orange" gives me the willies. Then they showed the speculum, and the scraping and AAAAGGGHHH! Just thinking about it makes my skin crawl.

Its amazing how Word doesn't know how to spell ophthalmologist but knows when I've spelt it wrong.

[bratok]

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I would like to point out that optomerists may not particularly like this supposed progam, but on the other hand you don't see them going around and murdering ophthalmologist or fire bombing laser eye surgery clinics...

Maybe not a conspiracy , but at least don't expect them running around, popularizing something that would take their income away. Ask and ophtolmologist ( or how ever he spells ), who is trying to sell you a pair of glasses, maybe you should better make a surgery? Sure he will answer that you look perfect with this glasses and don't need any kind of surgery that will probably make things only worth .

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My vision is -8.5 in one eye and -9.0 in the other. So in 1.5 months I can have perfect vision? And I was getting ready to have lasik done... what a fool I am!
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As a matter of fact until you subject this set of procedures to a series of peer reviewed studies I'm just going to laugh and walk away.
I chickened out of eye surgery to correct my "horrible" eyesight...

Of cource you can laugh and walk away, but on the other side, if you want to correct your eyesight, why not to try this exercises for a few days and see for yourself if there are any results?

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Sounds like homeopathy. Which of course is a fraud and cures nothing.

While I did not try out homeopathy myself, I heard rather positive reviews about it. I do believe that if you want to call it a fraud, you at least should try to cure something with it first.


Good Luck !

[Stormraven]

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Originally posted by Jeff Corey

Ambliopia? Where the eyes don't focus on the same location? It must make stereoscopic vision hard.
I had a form of reading problem caused by my parents reading to me with everything upsidedown.
OHO

Not Amblyopia - I'm going by the vague memories of my 8 or 9 year old self, thirty years on. It started with an 'E', actually, and just meant that my eyes were lazy - not focusing properly, but due mostly to lack of exercise.

[Martin]

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Originally posted by bratok
I do believe that if you want to call it a fraud, you at least should try to cure something with it first

Or, you could just look at data gathered in well-designed experiments.

Nah. Silly concept.

[bratok]

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Originally posted by Martinm
Or, you could just look at data gathered in well-designed experiments. Nah. Silly concept.

To my believe, all experiments show, in one way or another, what the experimentor is expecting. So if this experiment was held by Randi, no surprise about the negative results.

For example, I do know a doctor who is giving homeopathic medicine to his patients, with very good results.

While there also is a believe that every ilness is caused by a wrong behavior. Like if someone has hemoroids, he obviously also has a hemoroidal behavior and no medicine would have good and permanent results, unless he changes his behavior.


Thanx

[Chris Haynes]

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Originally posted by Stormraven


Out where I listen, several of the radio stations are airing commercials which claim something similar the 'See Clearly' method.

....

It is addressed here (oddly enough, one of the Google sponsors that pops up when you do a search on "See Clearly Now"):
http://www.allaboutvision.com/buysmart/see_clearly.htm

By the way, I am very nearsighted and have astigmatism. When I first tried to get contact lenses, I was told that they would not correct the severe astigmatism because it was not on the surface of my eye. I was finally able to get contacts when the technology permitted soft toric contacts that were weighted to keep them aligned. I hated them... I much prefer the new lightweight plastic lenses in rimless glasses.

By the way... I know at least two people who have gotton the LASIK surgery. They now have to wear reading glasses because the surgery does nothing for age related presbyopia.