Nazi Financiers of World War II

Zyzzyvas · 30th June 2007, 10:27 AM

Over the years I have heard a lot of allegations regarding the involvement of several notable Americans in the financing of countries on both sides during many international conflicts. These allegations seem to be thrown around more and more in Conspiracy Theorist documentaries that are released on the internet, several of which I have viewed of late. One conflict about which there are many allegations of foul play is World War II, such that I have decided to attempt to clarify some of the stories and determine whether or not there is any shred of truth therein.

The allegations include the Union Banking Corporation of New York City supposedly financing several aspects of the Nazis' rise to power, continuing their support during the war and even beginning to launder Nazi money totalling millions of dollars. This organisation was apparently closed down under the 'Trading With The Enemy' Act. A Director and Vice President of this organisation was Prescott Bush - grandfather of current U.S. President George W Bush and father of former President, George H W Bush.

Another allegation I have come across several times is the sale of 20 million dollars worth of fuel to the I G Farben company of Germany by John D Rockefeller's Standard Oil corporation. I G Farben supplied over 80% of the explosives used by the Nazis and also produced Zyclon B - one of the chemicals used in the mass-murder of Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The allegation includes the supply of a patented fuel additive by Standard Oil to I G Farben - without the use of this additive it is alleged that the German Air Force would have been incapable of flight, their grounding would obviously have rendered them unable to have the serious impact on the conflict that in actuality they did.

These are two of a throng of stories I have heard about Nazi financiers during the war and as I stated I would like to research the subject and find out just how many falsehoods are served up as fact in many modern CT documentaries. Can anyone recommend any good places to start my research into either of the stories above? I would also appreciate any input and comments that anyone may have on the subject of World War II and Standard Oil, Prescott Bush. JD Rockefeller and the Union Banking Corporation of New York.

Many thanks.

Z.

Childlike Empress · 30th June 2007, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zyzzyvas

Can anyone recommend any good places to start my research into either of the stories above? I would also appreciate any input and comments that anyone may have on the subject of World War II and Standard Oil, Prescott Bush. JD Rockefeller and the Union Banking Corporation of New York.

John Buchanan collected a lot of documents, partly declassified due to his FOIA requests in 2003, about the subject of Bush's ancestors involvement in the financing of the Nazis. I haven't looked into it in detail but it's definitely a good starting point for research:

http://www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/

Zyzzyvas · 30th June 2007, 07:06 PM

Much obliged, many thanks.

What's your angle on Prescott Bush and his kin? Have you looked into the family history at all? I am finding that the Nazi money-laundering is the tip of the iceberg where allegations of less-than-fair-play are concerned. I have found several sources that trace the Bush family ancestry back to Europe - there is even a link from George W Bush to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. It would appear that the President of the United States and HM the Q are related. Have you looked into this at all?

Ryokan · 1st July 2007, 12:35 AM

I know where this is heading....

Childlike Empress · 1st July 2007, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Zyzzyvas

What's your angle on Prescott Bush and his kin? Have you looked into the family history at all? I am finding that the Nazi money-laundering is the tip of the iceberg where allegations of less-than-fair-play are concerned. I have found several sources that trace the Bush family ancestry back to Europe - there is even a link from George W Bush to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. It would appear that the President of the United States and HM the Q are related. Have you looked into this at all?

It's certainly interesting that not only Prescott Bush but also W's maternal Grand-Grandfather George Herbert Walker was involved. The family has an obsession with names, that's for sure; do you know that Jeb Bush's son is named George Prescott Bush?

I've heard the stories about american presidents beeing related to european royalty but i've seen no sources. If you have several sources supporting these claims, i suggest you collect them and open a new thread at the CT section of this forum.

calebprime · 1st July 2007, 06:08 AM

Wanna slide in the bush, bush, bush?
(I'm on top, you like push, push, push
Keep it low like shush, shush, shush)
You wanna get up in my tush, tush, tush?
You could slide in the bush, bush, bush
(I'm on top, you like push, push, push
Keep it low like shush, shush, shush)
You wanna get up in that tush, tush, tush?
Wanna slide in my bush, bush, bush
(I'm on top, you like push, push, push
Keep it low like shush, shush, shush)

David Icke, anyone?

Childlike Empress · 1st July 2007, 06:14 AM

You're more into music than lyrics, aren't you?

Zyzzyvas · 1st July 2007, 08:53 AM

I wasn't aware of his maternal great-grandfather, no. Nor was I aware that Jeb Bush had named his son George Prescott Bush. As you say, the family definitely has a handful of names they like the sound of. How unusual. Though that is actually a very similar situation to the family of a close friend of mine, his father is a Baronet. His Baronetcy entitles him to the title of 'Sir', a title which my friend will inherit once his father passes away. Within their family there are a handful of names which they stick to because they have been used throughout their ancestry, I know this because my friend recently had to name his second child and his choice came down to these four names. It seems that the Bushes are practising a tradition similar to this. Interesting.

I have looked into the source for this allegation of George W and Her Madge being related. Each one names the source of the information as Burke's Peerage, a publication which I cannot find in order that I may confirm this claim. George H W Bush and HM the Q Elizabeth II are 13th cousins twice removed, apparently. Unfortunately, Burke's Peerage costs about 300 dollars to purchase, so I won't be doing that.

David Icke. Yes I am familiar with that particular shell-suit-sporting loon. It is a shame that he meanders into the realm of the utterly ridiculous (the realm of the insane may be closer to the mark) because some of his 'research' has brought some eye-opening ideas to a lot of people.

As you can see I am new to this forum - and I must say it is refreshing to find so many logical, realistic minds and voices of sanity in one place, as there seems to be here. I would be very interested to hear what any of you think with regard to several of the more incredible ideas that are out there. Something like, the street plan and architecture of Washington DC for example. When I first heard this idea, I was expecting to check out Google Earth and find that this preposterous notion was untrue, but to my surprise, it's all there. Have any of you looked into the reasons behind the strange, occult symbolism that has been designed into the street-plan of Washington DC?

Zyzzyvas · 1st July 2007, 09:28 AM

Having shot off at a tangent, I should open a new thread in a more appropriate section of the forum, as you suggested, Empress.

MelBrooksfan · 1st July 2007, 11:11 AM

I recall having read of Henry Ford giving some support to the Nazis.

Ah, here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Rather, it seems, he wrote an anti-semitic paper that the Nazis were particularly fond of.

Damien Evans · 2nd July 2007, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan

I recall having read of Henry Ford giving some support to the Nazis.

Ah, here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Rather, it seems, he wrote an anti-semitic paper that the Nazis were particularly fond of.

Also, IIRC, he was the only American openly praised in Mein Kampf

Zyzzyvas · 2nd July 2007, 11:14 PM

Excellent, I'll give that a read. Thank you for your help.

Foolmewunz · 6th July 2007, 02:03 AM

If you want the ultimate authority from the conspiracist point of view, see Webster Tarpley on Prescott Bush. If he continues his "research", he'll have us believe that Prescott discovered young Adolf in a summer stock production of My American Cousin at the Family Theater in Barnstable, and trained him personally.

DRBUZZ0 · 13th July 2007, 11:00 PM

Question 1: Does it really matter what someone's ancestors did? There are a couple of Hitler's grand-nephews in long island who never caused harm to anyone...

Question 2: Do you really need to go all the way back to "Maybe his grandfather was involved with the nazis" to dislike G W Bush?

Question 3: Are you somehow equating those in the US who may have been interested or even praisful of the regime without knowing the entirety of it's philosophy as somehow being akin to nazis themselves?

I dislike the idea that somehow being prejudice has the same implications as being Hitler. I know my late grandfather, who was from a couple generations back, had a few beliefs that might not be entirely politically correct: IE: Jews are slick lawyers and such. Blacks are the ones you have to keep an eye on. Mexicans work hard.

He grew up in the northeast in the depression.... I'm not saying it's right, but by no means does that equate to thinking such people shold be eliminated from the population.

Father Dagon · 19th July 2007, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by DRBUZZ0

Question 1: Does it really matter what someone's ancestors did? There are a couple of Hitler's grand-nephews in long island who never caused harm to anyone...

Question 2: Do you really need to go all the way back to "Maybe his grandfather was involved with the nazis" to dislike G W Bush?

Question 3: Are you somehow equating those in the US who may have been interested or even praisful of the regime without knowing the entirety of it's philosophy as somehow being akin to nazis themselves?

Question 4: When will people stop having hang ups on GWB? When he's dead and buried with three stakes through his body?

30th June 2007, 10:27 AM	#1
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	Nazi Financiers of World War II Over the years I have heard a lot of allegations regarding the involvement of several notable Americans in the financing of countries on both sides during many international conflicts. These allegations seem to be thrown around more and more in Conspiracy Theorist documentaries that are released on the internet, several of which I have viewed of late. One conflict about which there are many allegations of foul play is World War II, such that I have decided to attempt to clarify some of the stories and determine whether or not there is any shred of truth therein. The allegations include the Union Banking Corporation of New York City supposedly financing several aspects of the Nazis' rise to power, continuing their support during the war and even beginning to launder Nazi money totalling millions of dollars. This organisation was apparently closed down under the 'Trading With The Enemy' Act. A Director and Vice President of this organisation was Prescott Bush - grandfather of current U.S. President George W Bush and father of former President, George H W Bush. Another allegation I have come across several times is the sale of 20 million dollars worth of fuel to the I G Farben company of Germany by John D Rockefeller's Standard Oil corporation. I G Farben supplied over 80% of the explosives used by the Nazis and also produced Zyclon B - one of the chemicals used in the mass-murder of Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The allegation includes the supply of a patented fuel additive by Standard Oil to I G Farben - without the use of this additive it is alleged that the German Air Force would have been incapable of flight, their grounding would obviously have rendered them unable to have the serious impact on the conflict that in actuality they did. These are two of a throng of stories I have heard about Nazi financiers during the war and as I stated I would like to research the subject and find out just how many falsehoods are served up as fact in many modern CT documentaries. Can anyone recommend any good places to start my research into either of the stories above? I would also appreciate any input and comments that anyone may have on the subject of World War II and Standard Oil, Prescott Bush. JD Rockefeller and the Union Banking Corporation of New York. Many thanks. Z.
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30th June 2007, 07:06 PM	#3
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	Much obliged, many thanks. What's your angle on Prescott Bush and his kin? Have you looked into the family history at all? I am finding that the Nazi money-laundering is the tip of the iceberg where allegations of less-than-fair-play are concerned. I have found several sources that trace the Bush family ancestry back to Europe - there is even a link from George W Bush to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. It would appear that the President of the United States and HM the Q are related. Have you looked into this at all?
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1st July 2007, 06:08 AM	#6
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,758	Wanna slide in the bush, bush, bush? (I'm on top, you like push, push, push Keep it low like shush, shush, shush) You wanna get up in my tush, tush, tush? You could slide in the bush, bush, bush (I'm on top, you like push, push, push Keep it low like shush, shush, shush) You wanna get up in that tush, tush, tush? Wanna slide in my bush, bush, bush (I'm on top, you like push, push, push Keep it low like shush, shush, shush) David Icke, anyone?
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1st July 2007, 08:53 AM	#8
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	I wasn't aware of his maternal great-grandfather, no. Nor was I aware that Jeb Bush had named his son George Prescott Bush. As you say, the family definitely has a handful of names they like the sound of. How unusual. Though that is actually a very similar situation to the family of a close friend of mine, his father is a Baronet. His Baronetcy entitles him to the title of 'Sir', a title which my friend will inherit once his father passes away. Within their family there are a handful of names which they stick to because they have been used throughout their ancestry, I know this because my friend recently had to name his second child and his choice came down to these four names. It seems that the Bushes are practising a tradition similar to this. Interesting. I have looked into the source for this allegation of George W and Her Madge being related. Each one names the source of the information as Burke's Peerage, a publication which I cannot find in order that I may confirm this claim. George H W Bush and HM the Q Elizabeth II are 13th cousins twice removed, apparently. Unfortunately, Burke's Peerage costs about 300 dollars to purchase, so I won't be doing that. David Icke. Yes I am familiar with that particular shell-suit-sporting loon. It is a shame that he meanders into the realm of the utterly ridiculous (the realm of the insane may be closer to the mark) because some of his 'research' has brought some eye-opening ideas to a lot of people. As you can see I am new to this forum - and I must say it is refreshing to find so many logical, realistic minds and voices of sanity in one place, as there seems to be here. I would be very interested to hear what any of you think with regard to several of the more incredible ideas that are out there. Something like, the street plan and architecture of Washington DC for example. When I first heard this idea, I was expecting to check out Google Earth and find that this preposterous notion was untrue, but to my surprise, it's all there. Have any of you looked into the reasons behind the strange, occult symbolism that has been designed into the street-plan of Washington DC?
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33

1st July 2007, 09:28 AM	#9
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	Having shot off at a tangent, I should open a new thread in a more appropriate section of the forum, as you suggested, Empress.
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33

30th June 2007, 01:57 PM	#2
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,846	Originally Posted by Zyzzyvas Can anyone recommend any good places to start my research into either of the stories above? I would also appreciate any input and comments that anyone may have on the subject of World War II and Standard Oil, Prescott Bush. JD Rockefeller and the Union Banking Corporation of New York. John Buchanan collected a lot of documents, partly declassified due to his FOIA requests in 2003, about the subject of Bush's ancestors involvement in the financing of the Nazis. I haven't looked into it in detail but it's definitely a good starting point for research: http://www.debatecomics.org/BushFamilyFortune/

1st July 2007, 12:35 AM	#4
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,198	I know where this is heading....

1st July 2007, 06:03 AM	#5
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,846	Originally Posted by Zyzzyvas What's your angle on Prescott Bush and his kin? Have you looked into the family history at all? I am finding that the Nazi money-laundering is the tip of the iceberg where allegations of less-than-fair-play are concerned. I have found several sources that trace the Bush family ancestry back to Europe - there is even a link from George W Bush to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. It would appear that the President of the United States and HM the Q are related. Have you looked into this at all? It's certainly interesting that not only Prescott Bush but also W's maternal Grand-Grandfather George Herbert Walker was involved. The family has an obsession with names, that's for sure; do you know that Jeb Bush's son is named George Prescott Bush? I've heard the stories about american presidents beeing related to european royalty but i've seen no sources. If you have several sources supporting these claims, i suggest you collect them and open a new thread at the CT section of this forum.

1st July 2007, 06:14 AM	#7
Childlike Empress Ewige Blumenkraft Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ivory Tower Posts: 7,846	You're more into music than lyrics, aren't you?

1st July 2007, 11:11 AM	#10
MelBrooksfan Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,011	I recall having read of Henry Ford giving some support to the Nazis. Ah, here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford Rather, it seems, he wrote an anti-semitic paper that the Nazis were particularly fond of.

2nd July 2007, 07:18 AM	#11
Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,310	Originally Posted by MelBrooksfan I recall having read of Henry Ford giving some support to the Nazis. Ah, here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford Rather, it seems, he wrote an anti-semitic paper that the Nazis were particularly fond of. Also, IIRC, he was the only American openly praised in Mein Kampf
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2nd July 2007, 11:14 PM	#12
Zyzzyvas Student Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 33	Excellent, I'll give that a read. Thank you for your help.
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6th July 2007, 02:03 AM	#13
Foolmewunz Grammar Resistance Leader Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Pattaya, Thailand Posts: 20,524	If you want the ultimate authority from the conspiracist point of view, see Webster Tarpley on Prescott Bush. If he continues his "research", he'll have us believe that Prescott discovered young Adolf in a summer stock production of My American Cousin at the Family Theater in Barnstable, and trained him personally.
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13th July 2007, 11:00 PM	#14
DRBUZZ0 Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Command Bunker Posts: 3,320	Question 1: Does it really matter what someone's ancestors did? There are a couple of Hitler's grand-nephews in long island who never caused harm to anyone... Question 2: Do you really need to go all the way back to "Maybe his grandfather was involved with the nazis" to dislike G W Bush? Question 3: Are you somehow equating those in the US who may have been interested or even praisful of the regime without knowing the entirety of it's philosophy as somehow being akin to nazis themselves? I dislike the idea that somehow being prejudice has the same implications as being Hitler. I know my late grandfather, who was from a couple generations back, had a few beliefs that might not be entirely politically correct: IE: Jews are slick lawyers and such. Blacks are the ones you have to keep an eye on. Mexicans work hard. He grew up in the northeast in the depression.... I'm not saying it's right, but by no means does that equate to thinking such people shold be eliminated from the population.

19th July 2007, 05:09 AM	#15
Father Dagon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Stockholm, Sweden, Mater Evropa, Sol-III Posts: 1,193	Originally Posted by DRBUZZ0 Question 1: Does it really matter what someone's ancestors did? There are a couple of Hitler's grand-nephews in long island who never caused harm to anyone... Question 2: Do you really need to go all the way back to "Maybe his grandfather was involved with the nazis" to dislike G W Bush? Question 3: Are you somehow equating those in the US who may have been interested or even praisful of the regime without knowing the entirety of it's philosophy as somehow being akin to nazis themselves? Question 4: When will people stop having hang ups on GWB? When he's dead and buried with three stakes through his body?